Round One: Magneto vs. Iron Man

[The Doctor]

Round One...

It's a classic heroes vs. villains clash as two of Marvel's finest clash! Tony Stark is a billionaire with suits galore - and a consistent BattleZone favorite. Magneto is a mutant with the power of magnetism. Sparks are going to fly in this one, folks, but only one can make it to round two!

FIGHT!​

 

[GI Cake]

While this contest may seem lopsided at first, Marvel actually had these two butt heads during the Avengers vs X-Men story arc and in that 1v1 conflict, Stark overcame Magneto and won pretty decisively. Stark should take this contest once again.

 

[nightmare]

Refresh my memory on that one. I cant see how Magneto loses to a guy in armor unless Stark has time to craft a non metallic suit.

 

[JGlass]

Refresh my memory on that one. I cant see how Magneto loses to a guy in armor unless Stark has time to craft a non metallic suit.

He special prepped for an encounter with Magneto. But he doesn't have the opportunity to special prep for this fight.

Iron Man would fly into this fight in his classic Iron Man armor and Magneto would crunch him with a flick of his wrist.

Magneto is the easy vote here.

 

[SSJPhenom]

Is Iron Man's armor magnetic? I can't remember. It doesn't matter really though. Stark has control of the Endo-Sym Armor which is basically an alien parasite which melded with one of Tony's suits giving him control over it and severely raising the power of said suit. Magneto would stand very little chance in my opinion.

 

[Hyorinmaru]

We have Stark who is in a surprise fight with Magneto meaning he couldn't prepare a special suit and only has access to his fleet of metal suits.

Magneto has the power to control metal meaning he would make Stark his bitch and win this in what should be a cake walk.

Anyone voting for Stark is a delusional fanboy.

 

[GI Cake]

How are we deciding what is Tony's "classic" suit is? Are we going to go with his nano-carbon suit that isn't magnetic, or maybe his Superior Iron Man suit that is more symboite than metal? Or fuck, how about his current suit of armor that literally changes shape, size, and density to suit whatever Tony's combat needs are (in this case, fighting a long time villain in Marvel, Magneto.)

Oh I know, we'll just decide Tony is going to use his very first suit, cuzlolMagneto.

 

[JGlass]

How are we deciding what is Tony's "classic" suit is? Are we going to go with his nano-carbon suit that isn't magnetic, or maybe his Superior Iron Man suit that is more symboite than metal? Or fuck, how about his current suit of armor that literally changes shape, size, and density to suit whatever Tony's combat needs are (in this case, fighting a long time villain in Marvel, Magneto.)

Oh I know, we'll just decide Tony is going to use his very first suit, cuzlolMagneto.

Quit being a brat, most of Iron Man's suits are made of metal including his most famous ones. Furthermore, all of Iron Man's suits rely heavily on electricity for all their functions, and Magneto can interfere with electricity.

Of course, if you want to play it your way just remember that sword swings both ways. If you want to play your most powerful version of Stark, I'll play my most powerful version of Magneto, the one that can change the atomic structure of things on a whim by manipulating the electromagnetic bonds of electrons and nuclei.

If we take classic Magneto vs. classic Iron Man, Magneto wins by crushing Iron Man in his own armor. If we take super duper powerful Magneto vs. super duper powerful Iron Man, Magneto wins by ripping Iron Man apart at the atomic level.

Magneto either way.

 

[GI Cake]

Quit being a brat, most of Iron Man's suits are made of metal including his most famous ones.

by "his most famous ones" you are obviously trying to say "the ones from the movies" right? You're basically trying to hand tie Iron Man by saying he has to wear the armor that's most convienant for your argument.

Furthermore, all of Iron Man's suits rely heavily on electricity for all their functions, and Magneto can interfere with electricity.

Someone should tell Magneto this because not a single time the two canonically faught each other did magneto simply turn Tony's armor off like a lamp.

Of course, if you want to play it your way just remember that sword swings both ways. If you want to play your most powerful version of Stark, I'll play my most powerful version of Magneto, the one that can change the atomic structure of things on a whim by manipulating the electromagnetic bonds of electrons and nuclei.

Never said that's how I wanted to argue this, but if we wanted to go down this rabbit hole, Tony's current armor can mask his entire energy system, not to mention posses magnetic force fields.

If we take classic Magneto vs. classic Iron Man, Magneto wins by crushing Iron Man in his own armor.

Except that hasn't happened in the "classic years." Nor has it happened yet.

If we take super duper powerful Magneto vs. super duper powerful Iron Man, Magneto wins by ripping Iron Man apart at the atomic level.

Magneto either way.

I'm not even arguing super duper Iron Man. Modern day Tony Stark posses the tech to thrwart Magneto just like he did in AvX. Your entire argument hinges on Tony not bringing his shiny new suit that he can wear as a wrist watch for convinence.

 

[JGlass]

by "his most famous ones" you are obviously trying to say "the ones from the movies" right? You're basically trying to hand tie Iron Man by saying he has to wear the armor that's most convienant for your argument.

And the ones in the comics. I don't think he had a non-metallic Iron Man armor until this decade. Even in the 2000s most of his armor was composed entirely of metal.

Someone should tell Magneto this because not a single time the two canonically faught each other did magneto simply turn Tony's armor off like a lamp.

Gee, I wonder why Marvel didn't make a comic book where, as soon as Magneto and Iron Man engaged in a fight, Magneto didn't immediately shut it down. I bet that 2 page, 10 panel comic would have sold a million copies.

Never said that's how I wanted to argue this, but if we wanted to go down this rabbit hole, Tony's current armor can mask his entire energy system, not to mention posses magnetic force fields.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Your saying Stark can control an aspect of magnetism, but Magneto controls the whole spectrum. It would be like a duke telling the king he has no power in his duchy. The king trumps the duke.

Except that hasn't happened in the "classic years." Nor has it happened yet.

Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't happen. The only reason these things haven't happened in the comics is because they would make terrible comics.

How did Iron Man die? He flew into battle against Magneto and Magneto crunched him like an empty soda can. His blood squirted out everywhere and Pepper Potts wept as they pulled pieces of flesh out of the mangled remains of the armor.

Can't imagine why Marvel doesn't want to run THAT story line.

I'm not even arguing super duper Iron Man. Modern day Tony Stark posses the tech to thrwart Magneto just like he did in AvX. Your entire argument hinges on Tony not bringing his shiny new suit that he can wear as a wrist watch for convinence.

You can argue whatever form of Iron Man you want, but if you want to argue for the specific version of Iron Man that can beat Magneto, it's only fair that I argue for the specific version of Magneto that can beat Iron Man. I choose the Magneto that can break down Iron Man at the atomic level.

This is a problem unique to comic book characters: they are all built to be so strong at various points in their lifespan, but then at other times they have glaring flaws. You don't really get that with video game characters or movie characters as they have more finite levels of strengths and weaknesses. Why doesn't Magneto use his atomic-level powers all the time? Because comics. Why does Iron Man struggle to defeat his enemies despite the fact that he has a suit that can withstand almost any sort of attack imaginable. Because comics.

If you separate the character from the bizarre narrative and rules that exist in comic book universes, it's very clear who should win this one: Magneto.

 

[nightmare]

Prep time out the window trashes one scenario. Alien symbiotic host bonded suits, or any other ones Tony would are also probably useless as well. Why? Tony has an electromagnet in his chest & shards of metal surrounding his heart. So bring any suit you wish... Magneto is going to kill Stark when he bounces those shards around or rips that magnet out.

 

[Dirk]

Prep time out the window trashes one scenario. Alien symbiotic host bonded suits, or any other ones Tony would are also probably useless as well. Why? Tony has an electromagnet in his chest & shards of metal surrounding his heart. So bring any suit you wish... Magneto is going to kill Stark when he bounces those shards around or rips that magnet out.

To elaborate on this, at least according to X-Men 2, Magneto has the ability to feel out metal and would sense the shrapnel regardless of any knowledge of Tony beforehand.

This is a shitty draw, really. Iron Man is insanely cool and versatile, but here we are...

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

Iron: noun
a strong, hard magnetic silvery-grey metal, the chemical element of atomic number 26, much used as a material for construction and manufacturing, especially in the form of steel.

He wears fucking metal. Magneto is the master of magnetism. Tony has no prep time. He doesn't know what's coming. Magneto makes a fist and causes Stark's suit to implode in on him, stabbing him a hundred times and sending him to the hospital. This isn't hard people.

And don't give me the bollocks about symbiote suits etc... Tony wears a hunk of metal in his chest, carries nano-bots in his blood system and probably has elevated iron levels due to his heart condition. He loses.

 

[Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.]

I think Ironman's armor is not magnetic, or maybe I should put it better, Ironman's armor is not prone to Ferromagnetism, the one that Magneto controls, mainly because it built up by nanotech.

Check 8fact for that.

Ironman is just one simple blast away from killing Magneto actually.

 

[GI Cake]

And the ones in the comics. I don't think he had a non-metallic Iron Man armor until this decade. Even in the 2000s most of his armor was composed entirely of metal.

That is fair, but as we all know, Iron Man is constantly improving his gear and seldom ever goes back to using old suits unless it's necessary. I find it very unlikely that Tony would have entered this tournament wearing a suit from 2005.

Gee, I wonder why Marvel didn't make a comic book where, as soon as Magneto and Iron Man engaged in a fight, Magneto didn't immediately shut it down. I bet that 2 page, 10 panel comic would have sold a million copies.

The comic where Magneto ripped the metal from Wolverine's skeleton sold pretty well if I recall correctly. But if we're going to use comic book canon to establish their power range, you can't suddenly just shout "comic book logic!" to counter my point.

This doesn't make any sense to me. Your saying Stark can control an aspect of magnetism, but Magneto controls the whole spectrum. It would be like a duke telling the king he has no power in his duchy. The king trumps the duke.

Except his magnetic force fields provide protection from being ripped apart by Magneto or being shut down like you're claiming. If Mags wants to defeat Iron Man he has to do it the old fashioned way.

Just because something hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't happen.

In a hypothetical argument based on fictional characters it's completely fallacious to say Magneto would do something to Iron Man he hasn't yet done. It would be like saying Batman would snap Daredevil's neck because Batman knows how to snap necks.

Fact of the matter is, we have a super-villain who's done terrible, terrible things to other metal based heroes and yet hasn't been able to do the same to Iron Man in their bouts in the past. Either Magneto isn't as powerful as you claim, or Iron Man's suit isn't as magnetic as you would wished it was.

The only reason these things haven't happened in the comics is because they would make terrible comics.

Yet they still publish comics where Magneto treats Wolverine and Colossus like puppets whenever he brawls with them.

How did Iron Man die? He flew into battle against Magneto and Magneto crunched him like an empty soda can. His blood squirted out everywhere and Pepper Potts wept as they pulled pieces of flesh out of the mangled remains of the armor.

Can't imagine why Marvel doesn't want to run THAT story line.

I wonder why they haven't written a storyline where Magneto's old age leaves him bedridden and unable to be a total bad ass? If we're going to accept there is a universe with super mutants then you have to also accept the reality that in this universe, someone possess armor that can defend himself from mentioned super mutant.

You can argue whatever form of Iron Man you want, but if you want to argue for the specific version of Iron Man that can beat Magneto, it's only fair that I argue for the specific version of Magneto that can beat Iron Man. I choose the Magneto that can break down Iron Man at the atomic level.

Again I ask why Magneto did that to Iron man in their previous bouts where Magneto ended up getting his ass whooped by Stark.

This is a problem unique to comic book characters: they are all built to be so strong at various points in their lifespan, but then at other times they have glaring flaws. You don't really get that with video game characters or movie characters as they have more finite levels of strengths and weaknesses.

Not entirely true, but it is a bit more apparent in the case with comic books due to the fact that comic books (especially Marvel) have had decades of continuity to outline and define the characters within them.

Why doesn't Magneto use his atomic-level powers all the time? Because comics. Why does Iron Man struggle to defeat his enemies despite the fact that he has a suit that can withstand almost any sort of attack imaginable. Because comics.

If you separate the character from the bizarre narrative and rules that exist in comic book universes, it's very clear who should win this one: Magneto.

The thing with "rules" is you can't follow some and ignore one. If we're going to entertain the thought that Magneto's very existence is believable, then we also have to follow that there are people who can, and have defeated in him battle, like Iron Man and his science defying super suits that prevents Magneto from controlling his suit.

But really we

 

[GI Cake]

He wears fucking metal.

He hasn't worn metal in a long, long, long time actually.

Tony wears a hunk of metal in his chest, carries nano-bots in his blood system and probably has elevated iron levels due to his heart condition. He loses.

Except Magneto is literally unable to magnetically control Iron Man. It's really surprising how many of you guys are so willing to ignore this fact when it doesn't fit your narrative of "lolmagnetowins"

So can we all just accept the fact Iron Man isn't actually iron or controllable by magnets and move on or does it need to be repeated ad nauseam?

 

[JGlass]

That is fair, but as we all know, Iron Man is constantly improving his gear and seldom ever goes back to using old suits unless it's necessary. I find it very unlikely that Tony would have entered this tournament wearing a suit from 2005.




The comic where Magneto ripped the metal from Wolverine's skeleton sold pretty well if I recall correctly. But if we're going to use comic book canon to establish their power range, you can't suddenly just shout "comic book logic!" to counter my point.




Except his magnetic force fields provide protection from being ripped apart by Magneto or being shut down like you're claiming. If Mags wants to defeat Iron Man he has to do it the old fashioned way.



In a hypothetical argument based on fictional characters it's completely fallacious to say Magneto would do something to Iron Man he hasn't yet done. It would be like saying Batman would snap Daredevil's neck because Batman knows how to snap necks.

Fact of the matter is, we have a super-villain who's done terrible, terrible things to other metal based heroes and yet hasn't been able to do the same to Iron Man in their bouts in the past. Either Magneto isn't as powerful as you claim, or Iron Man's suit isn't as magnetic as you would wished it was.



Yet they still publish comics where Magneto treats Wolverine and Colossus like puppets whenever he brawls with them.



I wonder why they haven't written a storyline where Magneto's old age leaves him bedridden and unable to be a total bad ass? If we're going to accept there is a universe with super mutants then you have to also accept the reality that in this universe, someone possess armor that can defend himself from mentioned super mutant.



Again I ask why Magneto did that to Iron man in their previous bouts where Magneto ended up getting his ass whooped by Stark.



Not entirely true, but it is a bit more apparent in the case with comic books due to the fact that comic books (especially Marvel) have had decades of continuity to outline and define the characters within them.



The thing with "rules" is you can't follow some and ignore one. If we're going to entertain the thought that Magneto's very existence is believable, then we also have to follow that there are people who can, and have defeated in him battle, like Iron Man and his science defying super suits that prevents Magneto from controlling his suit.

But really we

Well fuck me... I just learned something.

I spent about half an hour typing out a quote by quote response to your above post, before I learned something...

IRON MAN DIDN'T EVEN BEAT MAGNETO IN THE FIGHT YOU REFERENCE.

They agree to stop the fight after Magneto senses the presence of the Phoenix Force and then they part ways amicably.

The fight was actually fairly even. You're right in that Magneto isn't able to manipulate Iron Man's suit with ease, but he is able to turn Iron Man's attacks against him, crush him with a 170 ton tower, and begins to use his powers to pull space objects into the fight, which is when he senses the Phoenix Force.

Not only that, but Iron Man is only able to get the upper hand in the first place because he siphons Magnetic energy from Jupiter. THAT'S why his shit is powerful enough to repel Magneto. And something tells me if these two were flung into battle, Iron Man wouldn't be able to channel the energy of Jupiter before Magneto fries his systems.



Magneto has created shields that can withstand an attack by the Phoenix Force, created wormholes, literally torn people apart, created a magnetic vortex to freeze a giant area to absolute zero, and defeated Proteus (a super powerful mutant of pure energy). If Magneto can do all of these things (and so much more), I'm sure he can dispatch Iron Man, albeit with more difficulty than most people in this thread are giving him credit for.

 

[ABMorales787]

So, what? Is Ironman the only thing Maggy is allowed to use his powers on or something? The man can wreck cities at full power if he chose. He can donother things. Tony on the other hand is limited to the suit and any tools it has.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

During the Avengers vs. X-Men storyline, there was a 6 part miniseries entitled AVX: VS that took an in depth look at some of the various fights. The first issue was devoted to Iron Man vs. Magneto and The Thing vs. Namor. Iron Man used his armor, connected to various Stark owned satellites, to siphon magnetic energy other planets and stars within the solar system and pump it into his armor so he could face Magneto. Magneto, however, was able to do the same thing and siphon energy from other planetary bodies while simultaneously destroying the satellites. Magneto, because of this additional magnetic energy, was able to sort of "sense" the destruction of a planet at the hands of the Phoenix Force further out in space and he realizes how useless these little petty fights are and ultimately allows Iron Man to win so that they can devote their efforts to better preparing for the arrival of the Phoenix Force. Stark won the fight because Magneto allowed him with Magneto actually commenting "Perhaps the man of limitless resources has limits after all."

I have to vote for Magneto here as when it comes down to the crunch, his powers can reach levels that Tony Stark, for all his great wealth and resources, really can't touch.

 

[GI Cake]

Well fuck me... I just learned something.

I spent about half an hour typing out a quote by quote response to your above post, before I learned something...

IRON MAN DIDN'T EVEN BEAT MAGNETO IN THE FIGHT YOU REFERENCE.

Oh, I must have been fooled with the issue placing this in bold at the bottom of the page where Stark left Magneto floating in space.

Spoiler

They agree to stop the fight after Magneto senses the presence of the Phoenix Force and then they part ways amicably.

By "amicably" you mean Stark flew away while Magneto was left licking his wounds while Iron Man did all the heavy lifting. What a rather liberal interpretation of events you have there.

The fight was actually fairly even.

Fairly even but in Tony's favor in the end.

You're right in that Magneto isn't able to manipulate Iron Man's suit with ease, but he is able to turn Iron Man's attacks against him, crush him with a 170 ton tower, and begins to use his powers to pull space objects into the fight, which is when he senses the Phoenix Force.

You forget the fact that Tony was able to push through all of that and still ended the fight with him victorious.

Not only that, but Iron Man is only able to get the upper hand in the first place because he siphons Magnetic energy from Jupiter.

Oh no, how dare Iron Man use his resources to overcome his enemies?

THAT'S why his shit is powerful enough to repel Magneto. And something tells me if these two were flung into battle, Iron Man wouldn't be able to channel the energy of Jupiter before Magneto fries his systems.

That would be pure assertion with absolutely nothing to back that up other than wishful thinking.

Magneto has created shields that can withstand an attack by the Phoenix Force, created wormholes, literally torn people apart, created a magnetic vortex to freeze a giant area to absolute zero, and defeated Proteus (a super powerful mutant of pure energy).

And Iron Man has created technology capable of splitting the Phoenix Force into fractions, traveled through space and time, and lead the Avengers to countless victories.

If Magneto can do all of these things (and so much more), I'm sure he can dispatch Iron Man, albeit with more difficulty than most people in this thread are giving him credit for.

Iron Man's resume ain't nothing to scoff at either and the best part about it all is that he's constantly improving. His battle plans, his business, and his suits all get better with each passing moment. I have no doubt in mind that if Tony was able to stand toe to toe and come out victoriously against Magneto several years ago, he'll be able to do more of the same with what would be "state of the art" for him.

 

[nightmare]

Metal shards in the heart will kill you no matter what suit you wear. I dont know what is hard to understand about that.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I was originally with Stark, but JGlass and others have done a good job advocating for Magneto and proving why he'd win.