Round 2, Mexico - Jerishow vs. The Impact Players

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Like I said before, Storm and Credible did in fact beat big names in ECW, but big names in ECW = little names in the WWE. Yes, they can win “college” Championships, but it’s totally different in the PROS. I know none of you Impact Player fans are telling me that Lance Storm and Justin Credible are better than the Big Show and Chris Jericho. There’s no way you can really think that. In Tag Team Wrestling, these two teams will have a great match, but in all seriousness, we’re still talking about Chris Jericho and the Big Show. We’re talking about two Main Attraction, multiple time World Championship Superstars vs. an Intercontinental Champion (Lance Storm’s highest achievement), and an ECW Champion (Justin Credible’s highest achievement). You’re telling me that two World Champions, who are currently the “Best” Tag Team in this business right now, with both the WWE and World Tag Straps cannot beat a Mid-Carder and a 3rd rate World Champion?? I’m a fan of both teams, but there is a reason why Jericho and Show are still on the number one and number two shows today. Well…Break the Walls Down!!

You see, tag matches are basically one-on-one matches so Show doesn't need to be in the ring for Jerishow to lose. As I said before, Storm can beat Jericho as he has in the past. So I don't see no reason why Storm and Credible can't beat Jericho and Big Show. Singles achievements have nothing to do with tag team acheivements because if so, then a team of Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair would be the greatest of all time.

 

[King Patrick Star]

Hogan and Flair probably would be the Greatest of All Time, but we’ll never know. Maybe next year. As for right now, I don’t care how you slice and dice it. The Impact Players were a great Tag Team and were the number 3 Tag Team Champions twice. Jericho and Show are the number one and two Tag Team Champions right now with the Straps to back it up. Singles Titles actually do mean something because two World Champions teaming together, winning Tag Team Gold, tells me that they are the Best in the World at what they do today…together. They are the freaking Undisputed Unified WWE World Tag Team Champions. They are the number one and two Team in the number one company in the whole World, right now. This is a Tag Team Tournament. What more do you want?? Granted, there were better Tag Teams than Chris and Big in the past, but in this match, Team Undisputed makes a bigger Impact than the Impact Players. Now, if say a Team like the Road Warriors, the Brain Busters, the New Age Outlaws, Team 3D, Edge and Christian, Hardy Boys, or the Hart Foundation, I could see JeriShow having a bit of a hard time, but we’re talking about the two time ECFNW Tag Champs. We’re talking about the two time Bronze Medal winners vs. the current Gold and Silver Medal winners. Again, I like the Impact Players, but I love Jericho and Show.

 

[gd]

The only reason I brought up what teams they had beaten was because he asked me that question GD. Obviously I wouldn't use "They beat Raven & Dreamer!!!!!1!" as an arguing point on my end. I was simply answering the guy's question.

Fair enough.

This is ridiculous, Tommy Dreamer is a jobber? Seriously? That's a load of horseshit. I'm getting sick of this ECW bias. Everyone who's disrespecting ECW teams, better start doing the same thing to TNA teams, because they're just as big (smaller probably) then ECW ever was. Just because they were in another promotion that makes them shit? That's crap, and if we use that logic, The Rockers should be wiping the floor with LAX right now, because hey, they only beat a bunch of jobbers in a glorified indy fed!

Tommy Dreamer is a jobber not because he was in ECW, but because he held the ECW Title for like 30 minutes total and constantly lost match after match after match. If someone is good, then they are good, even if they come from ECW, see RVD and Sabu owning Legacy.

Vote for the Impact Players. They were the better TEAM. Can we stop treating this tournament as fucking fantasy wrestling, like we were playing fantasy football or something? Last time I checked this was a tournament to crown the greatest Tag Team of all time---not who would beat who based on kayfabe. Chris Jericho probably wouldn't have ever beaten Andre the Giant, but we can agree he's a better wrestler.

I was under the impression that we are being encouraged to use the kayfabe argument, but obviously you can use whatever criteria you want. Personally, I think that Jerishow would destroy the Impact Players in a tag team match under Mexico rules, so I voted for them.

 

[NSL]

They are the freaking Undisputed Unified WWE World Tag Team Champions.

You say this like the belts mean something. They hold two separate belts, YES. I get it. But, when those belts were split, did they really mean anything? Did the Colons and Legacy carrying the belts really scream "OMG Look out!" No. They didn't. Treat this like Jerislow holds one set of belts.

I've already beaten the "Storm is better than his opponents" horse to death, and I'll just whip the stick out and get back to beating it.

Storm can be in the ring with either man, and pull off the win. Storm can knock out Show with the best superkick in the game, and he can roll up Jericho with the Single Leg Crab and make him tap. When the Impact Players had the belts in the late 90s, they were the best tag team in all of wrestling. Not just ECW. This is before the Hardyz and E&C and the Dudleys were killing each other in TLC matches. This is after the NAO were relevant. Storm and Credible, with Dawn and Jason at ringside, were THE team to beat.

Tommy Dreamer is a jobber not because he was in ECW, but because he held the ECW Title for like 30 minutes total and constantly lost match after match after match.

Dreamer only held the title for 30 minutes because he didn't want to be champ in ECW. He wanted to put people over and help the company. How good could ECW have been with one man on top for 5 years? They needed guys like Lynn and Credible pushed to the top. Dreamer was the best talent in ECW, aside from Funk, Foley, and maybe Raven.

 

[NSL]

While the boards are slow, I came across this rather interesting quote from a former wrestling mod:

This is the first Tag team match-up I've been remotely interested in since Big Show & Jericho have become the Champs. Or rather Show replaced Edge as a Champ.

Right there. That's the key. Big Show and Jericho never won the belts. Jericho and Edge won them. Big Show was placed on the team, and inherited the titles. I'm sure that Jericho and Edge were set for a long run with the belts, and it would have set up Edge's face turn. However, with the circumstances, I'm pretty sure that Jerishow has only had this run because there's nothing else for them to do.

Do the right thing...VOTE IMPACT PLAYERS!

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The bottomline here is, you have a Tag team who's arguably one of the best against a make-shift team that was never even originally meant to be a team.

Justin Credible and Lance Storm have made, and/or remade their careers off of becoming one of the best in the Tag team division. Jericho & Big Show work well together, but have their glitches because they aren't tag team specialists. They're single's superstars who each want the spotlight. Thats what would cost them here.

Storm and Credible will target the former Thrillseeker partner of Storm's; in Jericho. Big Show is stronger than Storm & Credible - however not smarter. They'll make sure he stays out of the match and when he does get in, they'll target his legs and knees.

In the end, this should go to the Tag team who knows how to handle random pairings. Afterall, they did take out the combinations of Tommy Dreamer & Tanaka, along with Mike Awesome & Raven, to capture the ECW Tag team titles once upon a time.

 

[King Patrick Star]

You say this like the belts mean something. They hold two separate belts, YES. I get it. But, when those belts were split, did they really mean anything? Did the Colons and Legacy carrying the belts really scream "OMG Look out!" No. They didn't. Treat this like Jerislow holds one set of belts.

I've already beaten the "Storm is better than his opponents" horse to death, and I'll just whip the stick out and get back to beating it.

Storm can be in the ring with either man, and pull off the win. Storm can knock out Show with the best superkick in the game, and he can roll up Jericho with the Single Leg Crab and make him tap. When the Impact Players had the belts in the late 90s, they were the best tag team in all of wrestling. Not just ECW. This is before the Hardyz and E&C and the Dudleys were killing each other in TLC matches. This is after the NAO were relevant. Storm and Credible, with Dawn and Jason at ringside, were THE team to beat.



Dreamer only held the title for 30 minutes because he didn't want to be champ in ECW. He wanted to put people over and help the company. How good could ECW have been with one man on top for 5 years? They needed guys like Lynn and Credible pushed to the top. Dreamer was the best talent in ECW, aside from Funk, Foley, and maybe Raven.

While the boards are slow, I came across this rather interesting quote from a former wrestling mod:



Right there. That's the key. Big Show and Jericho never won the belts. Jericho and Edge won them. Big Show was placed on the team, and inherited the titles. I'm sure that Jericho and Edge were set for a long run with the belts, and it would have set up Edge's face turn. However, with the circumstances, I'm pretty sure that Jerishow has only had this run because there's nothing else for them to do.

Do the right thing...VOTE IMPACT PLAYERS!

The bottomline here is, you have a Tag team who's arguably one of the best against a make-shift team that was never even originally meant to be a team.

Justin Credible and Lance Storm have made, and/or remade their careers off of becoming one of the best in the Tag team division. Jericho & Big Show work well together, but have their glitches because they aren't tag team specialists. They're single's superstars who each want the spotlight. Thats what would cost them here.

Storm and Credible will target the former Thrillseeker partner of Storm's; in Jericho. Big Show is stronger than Storm & Credible - however not smarter. They'll make sure he stays out of the match and when he does get in, they'll target his legs and knees.

In the end, this should go to the Tag team who knows how to handle random pairings. Afterall, they did take out the combinations of Tommy Dreamer & Tanaka, along with Mike Awesome & Raven, to capture the ECW Tag team titles once upon a time.

When the Colons held the 4 Belts, credibility was just starting to build again for the Tag Team Division in the WWE. The WWE was “portraying” that they do indeed have the number one and number two Tag Team divisions, and now combined the two to make one “big” division. When Edge and Jericho won the Titles, it made the Division even stronger having two World Champions hold the Tag Titles, similar to what Jericho and Rey did for the Intercontinental Title. I sure as hell will never treat this JeriShow’s run as one Title. That would be saying it’s equal to everyone else who held ONE Title. It’s not and we can visually see that. They are on Raw and Smackdown, not just Raw or Smackdown.

Whatever Storm can do, obviously Jericho can do better. If not, the Storm would have won more than just the Intercontinental Title, now wouldn’t he?? Even Jericho won the IC Title more than Storm on the BIG stage.

I don’t ever recall the Impact Players ever being included in a debate about the Greatest Tag Team ever. When you hear Wrestlers and Fans debate about Greatest Tag Team ever, Storm and Credible are far from people’s minds. Where did you hear that from?? Yes, Big Show replaced Edge. So what?? That doesn’t really mean anything at this point, because of the multiple successful Title defense they have. Would you argue that Sudden Impact is better that the Impact Players?? Think about that for a second. Jericho vs. Credible.

One can throw names out there like Dreamer, Tanaka, Awesome, Raven, it's still the Impact Players vs. two of the best ever who are the best right now. You’re not seriously saying that Lance Storm and Justin Credible are better that Chris Jericho and Big Show. There not even on the same level.

You know what, it’s tied at 20, and if JeriShow loses, the Impact Players deserve the win.

 

[gd]

Right there. That's the key. Big Show and Jericho never won the belts. Jericho and Edge won them. Big Show was placed on the team, and inherited the titles. I'm sure that Jericho and Edge were set for a long run with the belts, and it would have set up Edge's face turn. However, with the circumstances, I'm pretty sure that Jerishow has only had this run because there's nothing else for them to do.

Do the right thing...VOTE IMPACT PLAYERS!

Once again, there is no argument about which team accomplished more and which one will be more likely to down in history as the greatest tag team, but if you're looking at it from the kayfabe side, Jerishow easily wins this. Storm and Jericho are comparable, but Big Show is 100 times better than Credible outside of ECW. Plus, Jerishow has had great success as a team for 3 months, therefore, I voted for them.

I know not everyone looks at it from the kayfabe perspective, but if you do, Jerishow is the obvious choice.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Once again, there is no argument about which team accomplished more and which one will be more likely to down in history as the greatest tag team, but if you're looking at it from the kayfabe side, Jerishow easily wins this. Storm and Jericho are comparable, but Big Show is 100 times better than Credible outside of ECW. Plus, Jerishow has had great success as a team for 3 months, therefore, I voted for them.

I know not everyone looks at it from the kayfabe perspective, but if you do, Jerishow is the obvious choice.

I've watched all of Jerishow's matches and I've noticed that Show has carried Jericho. It goes like this: Show punches guy, Jericho pins person for the victory. So it is highly possible that Storm and Credible can take out Show, thus no punch and more trouble for Jericho. We all remember the Hell in a Cell match Big Show had with DX. Big Show was seemingly out for the last ten minutes of that match. Who's to say that wouldn't happen again?

Let's see who Jerishow has beaten. They have beaten the WWE's version of the MCMG in Cryme Tyme who have been here three years and haven't won any tag titles. You would think in a weak tag team division, that they would have had at least one. Then they beat MVP who was toiling in the midcard and Henry who hasn't been watchable in years. They will hardly go down as one of the most dominant tag teams in wrestling history.

 

[Freddy4190]

As much of a Jericho fan as I am, TIP owns JeriSlow. Jericho/Show is a terrible tag team, they don't even seem like a worthy tag team now. At first they had a inkling of hope, now that Cryme Tyme and fucking.. The Worlds Hungriest Man have basically stayed toe to toe with this "groundbreaking amazing gold holding" tag team.. they're credibility failed. Lance Storm > Jericho in terms of technical wrestling. Credible could so take Show out with the kendo stick. Definitely The Impact Players

 

[NSL]

Whatever Storm can do, obviously Jericho can do better. If not, the Storm would have won more than just the Intercontinental Title, now wouldn’t he?? Even Jericho won the IC Title more than Storm on the BIG stage.

The fact that Storm won anything in Vince country is enough of a sign that he was great. Outside of RVD's titles, who else came over from the Invasion and won anything from ECW? Please don't tell me you count Raven's 23 hardcore reigns.

We all know Vince hates anything that isn't his, and he still had to give Storm some gold. He even teamed him with Christian, and gave them a title win over Edge and Hogan.

I know this is over already, but keep that in mind for Round 3.