Round 1: Kirby vs. Goku

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  1. Kirby

  2. Goku

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  1. lenguy

    lenguy First Immortality..Then the Bitches

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    And you have not said any way for Kirby to even destroy Goku. I've told you. Punches and Kicks,while not as effective will still do damage. Energy attacks that can destroy whole planets will destroy one tiny pink creature. Plus it doesn't matter how close Goku gets, the simple fact of the matter is speed is Gokus greatest asset. Not to mention Goku's ability to fly is far more advanced that Kirbys way of doing it. He doesn't need to get in close. Just stay up in the air and bombard the ground with energy attack after energy attack. Kirby can't hope to suck them all in.

    Plus the skill argument is sound. Goku is a sayian warrior. His entire life is surrounded by combat and fighting for the shear purpose of getting better and advancing his own skills and knowledge in martial arts. Trained at an early age to become the greatest fighter the universe has ever known. He is the master of several moves and fighting techniques. He is a fighter like no other, and for excellent reason. He has proven this on more than one occasion and every time he gets better and stronger. Kirby sucks...Oh yeah, real big threat there.

    What does Kirby do? Suck people in people and steal their moves, not their fighting ability. So Kirby can suck in Goku. What Good is the ability if you don't know how to properly use any of it? Does Kirby gain any of Goku's fighting abilities? No, just his techniques. Techniques Goku has be perfecting his entire life. While not immune to his own attacks, I'm sure he knows his way around them, knows their strengths and their weaknesses. The Kaio-ken for example, if not handled with properly will consume that person and destroy them. Even with the proper training, something like this can still happen if the person executing the attack becomes absent minded and reckless. If Kirby were to pull of this movie without knowing its limitations then hes ultimately destroyed. Just because he has Gokus ability does not mean hes able to handle them.

    Your whole argument is surrounded by the fact that what if Kirby absorbs Goku. Well, what if he can't? Then hes done for. What if he does? It doesn't mean jack shit. It won't make him any better. Kirby doesn't steal his power, just his techniques. Goku + Kamehameha+Instant transmission is enough of a surprise to end Kirby. Kirby won't expect something like that, and when he does, its simply too late.
     
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  2. Ultra Awesome

    Ultra Awesome Im standing in Brooklyn/

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    I seriously cannot believe this battle is really THAT close. C'mon, now. Goku has been proclaimed the strongest being in the anime universe while Kirby is nothing more than a pink little ball that can suck people up.

    Nevertheless, there are two ways this battle could go where Goku has instant victory:

    Number 1 (what Lenguy said): Goku powers up to SS3 (which he can do in mere seconds), charges up a Kamehameha, use instant transmission (teleportation), teleports behind Kirby and....BOOM! Flawless victory. Kirby will have never known what hit him.

    Or...

    Number 2: Goku uses the Super Dragon Fist, end of story.

    The Super Dragon fist is a super punch filled with concentrated energy. Kirby cannot absorb that. At the rate Goku will be flying and the amount of energy Goku has in his fist will be too much for poor little Kirby to absorb. And even if he does try to absorb it, it will not matter because the velocity to which Goku will be going will basically make him go right through Kirby killing the little piece of pink shit instantly.


    Either way, Game Over. Goku wins.
     
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  3. Bernkastel

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    After my Battle Arena Tournament, I discovered that there are allot of DBZ fanboys on this forum, but I can't talk because I'm one of them. Because of this, I'm only going to be using the canon manga for my arguments with Goku.

    Kirby has such a mountain to climb, I almost feel bad. Kirby's best strategy would be and try absorb Goku, that way be can gain all of his powers.

    The Spirit Bomb won't work on Goku... unless he's SSJ. SSJ Goku isn't pure, to be SSJ fills your heart with rage and agressiveness.

    I'm leaning towards Goku on this one, it just doesn't look good for Kirby.
     
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  4. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    While that is true (about the spirit bomb and defeating kid Buu), you need to take in count that Kid Buu was alot stronger than Goku. While Kirby can absorb him and gaining his techniques, he wouldn't be stronger. Plus since it's Goku's techniques, he would know how to counter every single power blast or punch/kick combination.

    How is Goku fucked? Because he has to fight to a thing that can imitate him? That doesn't mean at all that Kirby could beat Goku. In the best case, he would be a great rival.

    Vegeta (both the first time and when he was under Bibidi's control) was also a great rival with similar powers and strengh. However the first time Vegeta in order to beat Goku became a giant monkey. Could Kirby do that? I doubt it. The second time Goku could beat Vegeta at anytime if he wanted to become SSJ3. So the argument of him bieng at the same level isn't at all a garantee of winning this fight.

    If Kirby would absorb Goku he would know the strenght and weakness of some of those techniques? Like Lenguy said, if Kirby imitated the Kaio-ken for example, would he know that if not handled with properly, it will consume him person and destroy him?

    I say it again just because Kirby can imitate Goku that doesn't mean that he can defeated him. Plus some of those techniques took Goku all his life to improve them and control them.
     
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  5. SD619

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    One more point that works in Goku's favor is that only pure-blooded Saiyans can transform into SS4. Kirby may imitate a Saiyan, but will never become one.
     
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  6. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    Reaching for straws here? Kirby has clearly been capable of holding items in his mouth much bigger than himself, so this argument holds no weight. Next?

    Oh, but not to Goku? Guess what? Goku still has a body, with bones and muscles and tissue. Kirby doesn't need any of these things. He can survive being crushed and smashed with ease, so I fail to see how any physical attack like a punch or a kick damages him.

    You mean a tiny pink creature who can simply ride a star to the safety of outer space? Yeah, ok.

    Nope, sorry, I'm not buying this baseless argument that simple energy attacks will work. Kirby can keep sucking those things up all day. What does Goku flying have anything to do with anything? If he wants to land a punch, hell, even get his hands on the puff at all he'll have to get close, right into inhale range.

    Not really making a point here are you, just more fan boy jerk off service. I mean, it's not like Kirby hasn't had his own fair share of battle. Yeah, I mean, all those video game appearances he's had must all be non-violent peaceful affairs.

    Covered that already, k thanks.

    For someone who clearly loves himself some Goku, you should know better than to believe that Goku would open up a fight like that. He simply wouldn't. That isn't his style. He's not that ruthless. He likes the fight more than he likes the victory, and he'll take his time feeling out his opponent. Show me any time Goku has started and ended any fight with a kill move like that. Answer: never. Next?

    And as I just told him: clearly you don't know Goku as well as you think you do.

    Kirby can catch shooting stars in his mouth, and I'm inclined to believe they carry far more energy than one attack, so yeah, no. Next?

    Why thank you for enlightening me on this. Strike one more against the belief that nothing can hurt Goku, especially one of his own moves.

    Clearly Goku KNOWS how to fight, and on paper HOW to counter attacks, but that doesn't always translate on the battlefield. This drum of "He knows how to fight! He's been fighting for a long time!" just doesn't cut the mustard. Kirby has been fighting for a long time too, with a great deal more styles than Goku knows.

    Vegeta is not Kirby, so the comparison really doesn't work. Also, Kirby could likewise power-up to match Goku as part of his ability. Once again, I'm not really seeing a point being made here, just a lot more fluffing of how awesome Goku is.

    We're talking about two different beings from two different universes with two different sets of rules when it comes to things like that. Until someone can prove otherwise, which isn't likely, I'm inclined to believe that Kirby is capable of reaching the same power level after inhaling Goku.
     
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  7. The Doctor

    The Doctor Great and Devious

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    Something people seem to be forgetting about Kirby is that he has one thing that would tip the balance in his favor. Well, rather, six things.

    The Rainbow Drops.

    Rainbow Drops are six mystical jewels Kirby gathered during the events of Kirby's Dream Land 2. When united they grant Kirby the Rainbow Sword, which is so powerful it allowed him to overpower and defeat Dark Matter. Let me say that again: Kirby defeated darkness itself.

    So now imagine the fight like this: Kirby has Goku's powers. The spirit bomb won't work on him because he's one of the most pure-hearted characters around. He's spent his life copying techniques and learning to use them fully in a matter of seconds. And now he's armed with one of the most powerful weapons in the universe.

    Kirby wins.
     
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  8. justinsayne

    justinsayne Cody Rhodes is an excellant

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    This is how I see this fight going, Bell rings, Kirby sucks Goku up, swallows him, shits him out, match over, Kirby wins.

    There really isn't much that I can say that hasn't already been said, Kirby is one tough little cream puff, and should not be taken lightly.
     
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  9. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    Probably, but Kirby's prinicipal ofense is imitate it's opponent. For the case of Goku, who the fuck knowns better about the movements like kamehameha than a man who has been training and improving all his life.

    While kirby can imitate him and has basically his power, only Goku knows where his limits are and clearly can take advatage of that.

    You missed my point, if Goku has someone who can be as equally as powerful as him, there's is probably more chances of a tie than a win. Vegeta came to mind because he had to become a giant monkey in order to defeat Goku, an hability that Kirby DOESN'T have.

    I said it a couple of times and i will say it again, just because Kirby can imitate Goku's ofense, that doesn't mena thta he will defeat him at all.

    Please, you have only answered to a part of my argument, you conveniently ignore the example of the kaioken than myself and Lenguy stated. Plus you just want a different winner. Like we say here, solo estás dando la contra. You know how good Goku is and why he is more popular than Kirby.
     
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  10. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    Doc you are forgetting the fact that even if Kirby defeated darkness itself, Goku is FAR from being a dark entity. Just like Kirby, Goku is one of the purest being in universe. So I doubt the rainbow will affect him just like the spirit bomb won't do shit on Kirby.

    Kirby can only EQUAL Goku's power and as the whole DG, DBZ and DBGT has taught us, Goku on the fights can rise his power due to his sayan genes and his previous training, A training that Kirby doesn't have.
     
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  11. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    A big ass beam that goes forward from the hands. Doesn't seem like there's a lot to know about it. This is a weak argument. Also, Kirby has in the past utilized powers and attacks similar to the Kamehameha, so there goes your point about it.

    So Goku knowing what Goku's limits are helps him? Again, this is a weak argument. Kirby knows what his own limits are too, so he can take advantage of that. Note that Kirby taking Goku's powers doesn't necessarily restrict him in the same ways Goku is by those same powers. He doesn't become a clone; the powers are simply merged in with Kirby on a cellular level. This assumption that Kirby would be restrained by rules from a universe he doesn't exist in is flawed (see also: your point about Kaioken).

    Let me get this straight: two competitors of equal power battle and there are more chances of a tie/draw? No fucking shit, bro. That applies to most everything. This isn't a point, it's just more fluff.

    Just because Goku has fought some people before doesn't mean he can defeat Kirby at all. There, see how pointless your argument is?

    I left out the Kaioken part because, let's face it, Goku doesn't rely on the Kaioken technique; he relies on the Super Saiyan transformations (which Kirby can copy) and massive energy attacks (which Kirby can inhale and redirect) for the majority of his powers. Also, really, I want a different winner? No shit! I guess that's why I'm posting about him! C'mon dude, at least try. I know how "good" Goku is, and that is why I feel I can state the Kirby is capable of defeating him.
     
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  12. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    Except that, as Ech has already pointed out, SSJ Goku is far from being pure hearted.

    That's not training, it's a Saiyan trait. A trait that can be copied over. Goku is hardly the only competitor that can increase in power as the fight goes on. So, once again: do you have a point?
     
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  13. Ultra Awesome

    Ultra Awesome Im standing in Brooklyn/

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    Your defense saying that Goku would drag on a battle because of who he is is a moot point. Goku can use that technique whenever he pleases. It could be in the struggle of the battle or at the very end. it does not matter. Point being, once he uses it, Kriby is done for.


    Lol, because a Super Dragon Fist ain't really shit, right? Let's see, a shooting star... compared to the Super Dragon Fist. :lmao: C'mon, brodiee, the Super Dragon fist can consist of almost all of Goku's energy into his fist. At SS4, Goku using that technique... I'm pretty sure not even 10,000,000 shooting stars has the same intensity of one super dragon fist.

    Sorry, Kirby doesn't stand a chance against a super dragon fist.

    Stupid point. Goku has defeated a number of enemies in which they all symbolized all of evil formed into one being. I.E., Omega Shenron, Kid Buu. Saying that Kirby has defeated one enemy as a means to be able to defeat someone like Goku is, well, dumb.

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    Let me add on to this battle a point that I doubt anyone has addressed. And that is Goku has never lost a battle.

    Dirty Jose brought up the characteristics to which Goku holds: He loves a good fight. Well, two can play at that game. Goku, being the man he is, has never given up on a challenge. If there's an enemy stronger than him, he'll train to the point to where he'll become stronger than him. Likewise, if he's in a battle where he's fighting a being that has the powers that he has, Goku would find a way. Why? Simply because he's Goku. And well that way is perfectly clear. A Super Dragon Fist, or a Warp Kamehameha.

    Do you know what I find funny in this battle? The only real plus side that Kirby has on Goku is that he can copy his powers. Now... so what? So Kirby has what Goku has? Then what? "Oh, he stands a chance." Not likely. Kirby has mastered many techniques in his life, but never anything that of Goku. As elaborated in the Ginyu Saga, only Goku knows how to use his own powers. Kirby would naturally have an overload. Kirby has never faced an enemy like Goku; the mountain for him to climb here, as said, is very high.

    I can't believe the voting has turned in Kirby's favor. This is so dumb, it's almost laughable. Just think. What if Goku was in a game like Super Smash Bros. Brawl? Don't you think the creators of that game would all agree that Goku would be a much better and more powerful character to use? It's common fucken sense. How is it that a little pink piece of shit, while although maybe a bit underestimated, can beat the strongest manga character to have ever been created? It's incomprehensible.
     
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  14. Remix

    Remix Is a thin rope

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    It hasn't been addressed because it's not True. He got beaten by Master Roshi, Tien, Raditz and Cell. He's not invincible.

    Why did he surrender vs Cell then? Why did he tell Vegeta that he'd get his ass kicked by Super Buu? Goku isn't invincible.

    The training is irrelevent because it would count as pregaming. If Kirby swallows Goku, he instantly knows all of his moves and his abilities are instantly transferred. You know what one of Goku's abilities is? That any attack works once on him. (It's a saiyan thing. The body recognises the attack and automatically defends against it) Since Goku's taken most of his own moves at some time or another, that immunity is transferred to Kirby, so a warp Kamehameha would fail, and a super dragon fist is just asking to be swallowed.

    If only Goku knows how to use his own powers, how come Buu was able to master the Kamehameha wave after seeing it performed once. It doesn't matter if Goku is stronger than Kirby if all of his attacks fail due to Kirby's Copied Saiyan physiology.

    Ladies and gentlemen. You can either vote for Kirby, or you can agree with Super Awesome, whose reaction to being wrong is to throw his toys out of the pram.
     
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  15. Ultra Awesome

    Ultra Awesome Im standing in Brooklyn/

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    Yet, inevitably, Goku ended up being WAYYY stronger than all of these characters. But perhaps I made that phrase to be a bit too blunt; I'll give you that. Nevertheless, Goku has come out on top regardless of every situation all the time. What's to say the same wouldn't happen with Kirby? Nothing. Kirby beating Goku? Unlikely; not even in the after life.

    Special circumstance you're failing to mention: Goku's intention from the start was to have Gohan beat Cell; not him. If Goku would have strived to reach that SS2 form instead and concentrated all of his time on training himself only and not Gohan, which was basically all he did whilst in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, than Goku would have been the one to beat Cell.

    Lolwut. How is that giving up in any shape or form? He still fought Buu didn't he; he fused. So what? He thought logically to have a better and easier outcome. That's playing it smart, buddy; nbot being a quitter.

    In the end, he's as close to the definition as it gets.

    Just because he can copy such ability does not automatically equate to the move failing. An irrelevant point that means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Even if Goku's physiology is aborbed, am pretty sure the attack will still deal damage to death dependent on the amount of energy Goku puts to it.

    Also, I already elaborated on the Super Dragon Fist. Too strong, too much velocity, too much energy for Kirby. Ever heard of Yakon?

    :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: This is just stupid.

    Sick-ass foo. Your impeccable idea that just because Kirby has Goku's physiology that all his moves are warranted useless is but a fool's argument. Goku's Physiology =/= unbreakable sheild. Plus, you never addressed how Kirby would be able to control Goku's powers. You ain't convincing me on jack shit, buddy.

    Funny how you neglect to address the point I made here and instead begin to insult me.

    ...I don't have time to be debating back and forth over this, but let me just say one last thing before I leave: The idea that Kirby can beat Goku in a fight is irrational. Kirby may be underrated and underestimated, but Goku is Goku--number one under the sun. A symbol to people all over the world. If Kirby were trully stronger, than he'd be the icon that Goku is today, and Goku would be ranked alot lower in the animated world. But that's not the case. Why? Because it's not true. For someone like Kirby to beat someone like Goku is like saying Evan Bourne is legitimately stronger than John Cena.
     
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  16. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    What the fuck are you talking about José? It is the completely opposite. In order to become a SSJ you need to have a pure and noble heart. The transformation happens when he feels alot of anger. That's why later everyone is suprised that Vegeta became a SSJ. You know, because he is evil. Thus way breaking the legend about the SSJ.

    What is your point? Don't try to do the classic "your argument is useless" because all you have said is that Kirby copies Goku. So what? Then how is he going to defeat him? Using his same techniques you say, well is like a fucking kendo stick. You can have the kendo stick and start throwing blows like one crazy fuck or you can know all about the ofense/defense about the weapond and therefore being a better warrior. The same applies here with Kirby copying Goku, and the latter being the greatest warrior.
    The other way you say how Kirby can defeat him, is by eaing him. An option where Goku has THREE answers: instant transmission, creating a fieldforce or charging all his ki and therefore destroying from the inside out Kirby.

    Finally there is this way that Goku can kill Kirby:

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    The big difference with Cell here is that Kirby CAN'T regenarate himself, so in matter of seconds Goku would fucking kill Kirby. And don't even try to say it took him alot of time to do the kamehameha because it was adding drama.

    You keep saying that I don't have arguments, while you just say two ways where Kirby COULD defeat Goku. I have presented you an aswer for your logic. What about you?
     
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  17. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    I'm going to sum up by saying how the fuck would Kirby known that Goku relies on the SSJ transformation? What makes you think that Kirby wouldn't try to do the kaioken?

    Just because Kirby is basically a copycat doesn't mean he can defeat Goku at all. there, see how pointless is your WHOLE reasoning about Kirby?
     
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    The SSJ form is the embodiment of rage. When Goku first transformed he could barely control his emotions. There are different conditions for reaching SSJ, but the one prerequisite that remains the same is that the desire for power must respond to a need not a want.

    When Goku becomes SSJ, he no longer becomes pure of heart. Why do think Goku has never created the Spirirt Bomb in the canon as a SSJ? Because he can't... he can only be in base form and create the Spirit Bomb.
     
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  19. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    Well with Roshi, he was fucking kid, what would you expect? With Tien i honestly don't remeber but i'm sure it was on DG, in this fight we are talking about aGoku that can do all the SSJ tranformations. With Raditz he sacrified his own body in order to defeat him. It was a similar thing with Cell, in order to save lanet Eqarth and because he knew Gohan was stronger than him.

    Of course Goku isn't invincible but look at every time he has lost, it was a sacrifice or it was when he was weak.
     
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    In a one on one fight, Goku couldn't beat Kid Buu. So he has lost before. It took an momumental effort from Goku, Vegeta, Mr. Satan, Good Buu, and the humans on Earth in order to stop him.
     
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  21. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    You ALMOST got me, but it's bullshit. Goku never uses the Genkidama while being SSJ because he doesn't need it. It is his last resource, he doens't need ki to make it, he takes the energy from other life forms. Why do yo think he does it when he doesn't have the strenght to do anything but the Genkidama. You don't believe me? Remember how Goku defeated Kid Buu:

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  22. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    in this fight, it was the first time Goku fought as a SSJ3 being alive again. Therefore it took him more of his energy, because he had the upper hand but his energy disappeared or reduce alot and that's when Buu Started to get the upper han. Basically he was stonger than Kid Buu, but he didn't mastered the SSJ3 transformation.
     
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  23. Bernkastel

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    No, it's because he can't do it as an SSJ. There's evidence in the canon that Goku becomes unpure of heart whenever he transforms.

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    Exploding in rage doesn't sound like someone pure of heart.

    There's no evidence in the canon of Goku doing the Spirit Bomb as a SSJ. He's always in base form because he can't as a SSJ.
     
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  24. El Rev sXe

    El Rev sXe If you have ghosts...

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    Oh fuck, the legend also says that there is one SSJ every 100 hundred years or something, but in DBZ we see 5 of them. In the end no one knows the truth about the legend of the SSJ. That being said I fucking have the manga where Goku becomes SSJ in order to have more energy and then defeatd Kid Buu with the Genkidama.

    I haven't found a direct image of it but this is as close as we get:

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    But as you see, Goku being a regular Saiyan doens't have enough energy so Nameks give their energy and then he becomes SSJ. So yeah Goku can do the transformation and throw the Genkidama. I have the mangas and I saw the series TONS of time and I never read or see that whole thing about the Genkidama and the pure heart bullshit.
     
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    It doesn't change the fact that SSJ brings out a saiyan's inner rage, and taints their heart. If SSJ Goku were to be hit by a Spirit Bomb, it would hurt him.

    I'm not talking about throwing the SB as a SSJ, I'm talking about gathering energy. Goku can't gather energy for the SB as a SSJ because he isn't pure of heart.
     
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