MrHashasheen
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I would argue that Owens ought to have gone over Orton. Orton is as bulletproof as Cena is at this point, and it would have only helped Owens going into his fight with Cesaro.
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Mighty NorCal
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Absolutely. I commented on twitter that back in my day, they would have used that kick to cost Orton the match.
By doing this, you get Owens a win, you give Orton a reason to be pissed, and further, re-enforce that winning and losing matters. You know, in a competitive combat situation. Shit, Owens didn't even care that Sheamus had just cost him the match.
You have Owens win, Sheamus slide under the rope to continue the beat down, and you can still have your post match beat down/Cesaro run-in.
Sometimes it feels like creative can't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.
MrHashasheen
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Mhm. It'd have set up a return as well between Owens and Orton if Orton ever got his hands on another title again.
Shadowmancer
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There is a reason I think they chose the wrong way for Cena to win, pinning via roll up, or Seth kicking out at 3.1 allows Cena to get the win but it also makes Rollins look stronger
They're not gonna make Rollins look stronger at the expense of Cena.. this is Vince McMahon we're talking about. A simple eyepoke or distraction or low blow or interference by J and J is not enough.. this is Cena we're talking about; it may take down other top faces, but not Super Cena. there must be hundreds of dirty tactics to take him down. When was the last time a simple tactic took down Cena?
Mighty NorCal
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Elimination Chamber, about 10 weeks ago.
Distraction from Lana + low blow.. so two methods.. if that was just a regular top face like Orton, Daniel Bryan, or Reigns, it would only take ONE method.
Bray Wyatt vs Cena at Extreme Rules 2013 - Wyatt had to use his whole family, plus a little kid.. apparently 3 giants weren't enough so they had to bring in a little kid.
Rollins vs Cena steel cage match - J and J interference wasn't enough, so Lesnar had to interfere
Rollins vs Cena lumberjack match - Basically 20 vs 1
Ziggler vs Cena steel cage match - Big E and AJ interfered and Ziggler STILL lost
You get the pattern.. every time Cena loses there are multiple dirty tactics and/or interference from a big star to cost him the match
Mighty NorCal
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You asked when the last time was. I gave it to you.
Heels cheating to win, say what? And NorCal answered your question, about ten weeks ago.
You're missing my point.. what i'm saying is Cena requires MULTIPLE methods of cheating to beat him, whereas for another top star it only requires ONE method. Take Daniel Bryan for example, it took a simple distraction to beat him. We all know that a simple distraction is not enough to beat Cena. On top of a distraction, there must be weapons involved, interference, etc..
Bernkastel
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If I were writing the show I wouldn't have had Orton lose to Owens in their first televised meeting. That's a PPV quality match. The finish should have been Owens getting himself DQ'ed if they wanted to set up another Owens/Orton match. With Sheamus causing the DQ it just furthers the Orton/Sheamus feud and leaves Owens kinda out of luck. Though to be fair it's probably for the best. Owens/Cesaro makes more sense right now. We may get a Orton/Cesaro match in the future with a similar finish. And that at least puts all 4 guys over without having to cross contaminate feuds.
MITB 2011 - Lost to Punk clean
WM28 - Lost to Rock clean
SummerSlam 2013 - Lost to Bryan clean
TLC 2013 - Lost to Orton clean
SummerSlam 2014 - Lost to Lesnar clean
Elimination Chamber 2015 - Lost to Owens clean
Remember those?
The top guys shouldn't lose cleanly often. If he did he wouldn't be the top guy. So is your problem with Cena being the top guy or the idea that there has to be a top guy that will win most of the time?
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He would've almost been killed if he didn't lose to Punk.
He won the rematch against The Rock.
He only lost to Bryan because he was injured.
The next night on Raw after losing to Lesnar, he absolutely BURIED the Wyatt Family.
He then beat Owens clean twice afterwards.
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Oh, I get it. You think he should ALWAYS lose. There's always some kind of lame excuse with you, isn't there? You seem like the kind of guy that has his girl put in a lot of work to make him a nice breakfast in bed and then complain because she burnt the toast.
Punk loss wasn't clean.. Cena was distracted by John Laurinitis, but hey i can't be mad about this.. its as clean as it gets when it comes to Super Cena.
Was clean, but one year later he justified his loss as him getting to cocky, so kinda discredits that.
True this was clean.. Cena never got his win back, so ill credit him for this. he put over daniel bryan big time.
Orton used handcuffs, so its debatable whether its clean or not. Anyways I'll credit Cena for this because he got pinned by Orton 3 PPVS in a row.
Yes he put over Lesnar big time also.
Look at every rising star hes faced so far; Ryback, Rusev, Owens, Wyatt - All monster heels and they all got conquered by john cena.. how is anyone supposed to take them seriously when they lose to Cena 2-3 times in a row? on the other hand i've been noticing a pattern; whenever cena feuds with a face, he tends to put them over better (punk, bryan, ambrose sort of)
Fact is that Cena only loses clean one time per year
Point is that Vince has an extremely unhealthy obsession with making Cena look strong. It ain't Cena's fault its vince's.. can't wait until he retires; changing plans 50 times the hour before Raw starts, weird fetishes with first names, banning common wrestling terms like "backbreaker", etc.. this guy is just losing it
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I'm arguing that he shouldn't be.
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No, I would enjoy if my girlfriend made me breakfast in bed. I also don't think John Cena should always lose, but just a little more than he does now."Lame excuse" = What people you're arguing with use because they know you're right.
"Lame excuse" = What people you're arguing with use because they know you're right.
If I knew you were right I wouldn't be having this discussion with you. Why would I argue with someone I agree with? Usually people that complain about Cena winning so much don't notice when he loses. I pointed out some big losses and you dismissed them by mentioning things that were irrelevant.
Reminds me of when people used to say the New York Yankees only won their championships from 1996-2000 because they bought the best free agents. They didn't realize that most of the biggest stars on the team were either home grown or acquired via trade. When they started signing big name free agents was when their run ended and they went on a nine year championship drought. The point is sometimes people let their personal feelings get in the way of the facts.
The entire reason monster heels exist in wrestling is so the hero can conquer them. You can still take those guys seriously because they were beaten by the best. Just because Ryback lost to Cena doesn't mean he can't beat Miz. Just because Rusev lost to Cena doesn't mean he can't beat Ziggler. Just because Owens lost to Cena doesn't mean he can't beat Cesaro. Just because Wyatt lost to Cena doesn't mean he can't beat Reigns.
Thats the point.. its getting very VERY redundant and stale.. we either need a new "hero" (Roman Reigns), or a completely different formula.. if WWE would spice things up then Cena wouldn't be as hated
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You're doing a horrible job. If you want to argue that Cena should not be booked so strong you should point to alternative booking and convince us that the alternatives would be better from an entertainment standpoint or a financial standpoint for WWE.
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