Yeah, so many people were all about Roman Reigns until WWE listened and decided to go with him. Then most of those people decided to shit on him for no reason so it's back to Cena.
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Yeah, so many people were all about Roman Reigns until WWE listened and decided to go with him. Then most of those people decided to shit on him for no reason so it's back to Cena.
Honestly I think I'm just gonna give up hope on Cena and the WWE.. they teased Cena stepping down as face of the company many many times, but in the end he just gets right back to the main event picture. He's 38 years old for gods sake; please push new talent.. Every year he has to get back to the main event picture, right when people think he's cooling down. This is complete bullshit and its tiring to watch!
For gods sake just get Cena's world title record OVER WITH already! Have him beat Rollins, have Sheamus cash in on Cena, then Cena wins it back at the next PPV. SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT! But no, realistically we're gonna have Cena beat Rollins, hold the title all the way to WM, lose it, and then regain it at next year's SummerSlam for his 17th title reign. Ugh
The worst part is that most of the WWE apologists here will still suck it up and claim how great of a champion Cena is, and how freshening his character is, how much he puts people over by making them "look great" in matches, defend the booking, etc.
For gods sake just get Cena's world title record OVER WITH already! Have him beat Rollins, have Sheamus cash in on Cena, then Cena wins it back at the next PPV. SIMPLE AND TO THE POINT! But no, realistically we're gonna have Cena beat Rollins, hold the title all the way to WM, lose it, and then regain it at next year's SummerSlam for his 17th title reign. Ugh
The worst part is that most of the WWE apologists here will still suck it up and claim how great of a champion Cena is, and how freshening his character is, how much he puts people over by making them "look great" in matches, defend the booking, etc.
BestSportsEntertainer
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Let's look at all of John Cena's losses on PPV since becoming WWE Champion at WrestleMania 21.
New Year's Revolution (2006) - Edge cashed in MITB after Cena defended inside the chamber. (Non-clean) Cena regained the title 3 weeks later at Royal Rumble.
One Night Stand (2006) - RVD pinned him for the belt for the sake of Cena's well-being. (Non-clean)
SummerSlam (2006) - Edge pinned Cena to retain the championship after Lita interfered. (Non-clean)
Cyber Sunday (2006) - King Booker pinned John Cena and Big Show in a Champion vs. Champion vs. Champion Triple Threat match. Kevin Federline interfered. (Non-clean)
WrestleMania 24 - Randy Orton pinned John Cena and Triple H to retain the WWE Championship. (First clean loss)
That's one reason Cena is so hated. It took him exactly 3 years to receive one clean loss on PPV. That's just ridiculous for anyone. I'll continue.
Night of Champions (2008) - Triple H pinned clean to retain the championship. (Second clean loss)
Great American Bash (2008) - JBL set Cena on fire inside a car to win a Parking Lot Brawl. I wouldn't consider that clean. (Non-clean)*
SummerSlam (2008) - Batista pinned Cena clean. (Third clean loss)
No Way Out (2009) - Edge won the chamber match involving Cena after attacking Mysterio and illegaly entering the match. (Non-clean)
Backlash (2009) - Edge defeated Cena in a Last Man Standing match after Big Show interered. (Non-clean)
Night of Champions (2009) - Randy Orton won a rematch from WM24. Legacy intefered. (Non-clean)
SummerSlam (2009) - Randy Orton again defeated Cena. Brett DiBiase interfered. (Non-clean)
Hell in a Cell (2009) - Randy Orton knocked out the ref, allowing him to tap to the STF without being submitted. Orton then defeated Cena. (Non-clean)
TLC (2009) - Although Sheamus pinned Cena to win the WWE Title, the finish was botched. Both men were supposed to go through the table. (Non-clean)
Elimination Chamber (2010) - Batista pinned Cena to win the title after Cena went through a grueling chamber match. (Non-clean)
Fatal 4-Way (2010) - Sheamus regained the title after Nexus intefered. (Non-clean)
Money in the Bank (2010) - Sheamus retained the title after Nexus again intefered. (Non-clean)
Night of Champions (2010) - Wade Barrett eliminated Cena from the main event. (Fourth clean loss)
That's just 4 clean losses in 5 years. Ridiculous. I'll continue this in another post.
Mighty NorCal
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??????????? From when he was the prime backbone of the WWE being positioned and built into an all time great babyface champion? Uh, YEA?
How many times did Hulk Hogan lose clean in his prime run?
How many times did Hulk Hogan lose clean in his prime run?
Don't bother. You've made your point. Don't interpret that as me agreeing with you. The top guy is obviously going to be booked strong. Hulkamania wouldn't have been special if Hogan was getting pinned by King Kong Bundy, Ted Dibiase, and Big Boss Man every other month. Cena has lost a lot as you yourself have pointed out. I don't know what the obsession is with a "clean loss" (a term you've been using pretty loosely by the way). Who cares? It always amazes me when people say they'd like someone more if he lost more often. That seems like a backwards way of thinking but maybe that's just me. Besides, if you'd prefer people lose so much you shouldn't have a problem with Cesaro right now.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
This. Pretty much. And the most vocal of the haters being the smarks that have caught on the method of the hero toppling the monster villain and thinking "same old shit" even though that method has always worked in wrestling.
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
Better than Hogan who went undefeated for 4 years. Or Bruno for 8. Or Thesz for 10. Imagine Jim Londos who never lost a match clean for 20 years. It doesn't matter if the losses are clean or not. A loss is still a loss. And Cena loses way more often then any other big era star [especially compared to those that can match his longevity] ever have.
Fire Marshall Bill
Let me show ya somethin!!!
I still can't believe people argue with these two. And I believe even less BSE has a girlfriend.
Yes top guys should be booked strong, but when it comes to Cena, it's just unnecessarily RIDICULOUS. I mean he receives 5 times the protection of Reigns, Daniel Bryan, Orton, and Sheamus.. its just WAY over the top at this point. As I mentioned earlier, it takes MULTIPLE dirty tactics to take down Cena, whereas for a regular top star like the people I mentioned above, it would only take ONE dirty tactic.
Different eras different situations.. if Hogan was in this era where fans get a lot smarter, then he wouldn't win as much. Fans are seeing the redundacy in Cena's routine and they're speaking up.
Are you saying theres no difference between a clean loss and a dirty loss? Because that is SO false. A clean win is 10x more credible than a dirty win.
It builds more sympathy from the crowd.. Why do you think people are finally warming up to Reigns? Reigns has been jobbing A LOT lately. If they REALLY wanna portray Cena as this "underdog" character, then make him lose more. Otherwise don't make him seem like an "underdog" against rising stars who have nowhere near the credentials that he does.. its just stupid.
Huge difference between the two. Cesaro is a rising star, so losing would hurt his momentum. Cena is the established face of the company; he has so much credibility that losses won't hurt him anymore.
Other way around; I STILL can't believe that me and BSE are arguing with the WWE apologists
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Sounds like a WWE apologist if ye ask me.
Fire Marshall Bill
Let me show ya somethin!!!
I hope you're not calling me a WWE apologist. That would be hilarious. I simply came on here and called the others stupid for arguing with you idiots. You consistently present your opinions as fact and then completely ignore simple facts. And when you have no legitimate argument, you call everyone WWE apologists. It's a waste of time to discuss anything with anyone of your mental capacity.
I don't even know why you two watch WWE. You complain about everything. Even the things you "say" you like, you complain they're being "held down". If you're not complaining, you have no purpose in life. Frankly, you two aren't just the stereotypical IWC poster, you two are the stereotypical internet poster in general. So congratulations. At least you got that goin for ya.
Have fun replying. I'm sure it'll be entertaining in a very sad way. I'll never see it. Otherwise I'm just as bad as the people I called out in my first post.
Mighty NorCal
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Lost clean to Owens, required one ball shot to get beat by Rusev. Lost clean to the aforementioned DB at SS in 2013.
Were are you guys getting this shit from? HE JUST LOST 100% CLEAN IN MAY
Lost clean to Owens, required one ball shot to get beat by Rusev. Lost clean to the aforementioned DB at SS in 2013.
Were are you guys getting this shit from? HE JUST LOST 100% CLEAN IN MAY
Are you kidding me? Yes Owens beat him clean, thats going to be his ONLY clean loss for the entire year; i KNOW this. And also he beat Owens twice after this. Every time someone beats Cena, Cena has to get his win back TWICE or hell THREE times in the case of Rusev. Rusev required a distraction from Lana AND a low blow, so two dirty methods.. to this day I still can't believe that they had Cena beat him THREE ppvs in a row.
Now that Rollins broke Cena's nose causing him to miss time in the ring, there is absolutely NO WAY that Rollins is retaining. There was a slim chance that Rollins would retain since he lost cleanly to Cena on Raw, but after that broken nose and missing time in the ring, there is just nooo way that Cena will do the job. He won't take kindly to this, neither will Vince. Rollins career is donezo
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Nice to see you have set yourself up to be right about Cena/Rollins regardless of the result.
If Rollins does retain, through nefarious means like the heel invariably does, you will be right as Cena "never loses clean."
If Cena wins, he will have played politics and Rollins is being punished for breaking the poster boy's nose.
If Rollins does retain, through nefarious means like the heel invariably does, you will be right as Cena "never loses clean."
If Cena wins, he will have played politics and Rollins is being punished for breaking the poster boy's nose.
klunderbunker
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WOW. You guys are still on this?
BestSportsEntertainer
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Quit trying to use logic on this site. The WWE fanboys just can't take it.
Damn right man.. its us against the entire forum of WWE apologists
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If Rollins wins, I won't care HOW he wins because thats his character. He's a cowardly heel.. he needs help to beat Reigns, Orton, and Ambrose, who are all miles behind Cena in terms of credibility.. so if he manages to beat Cena, dirty or not, i'd be fine with the result..
Either way that is NOT going to happen after the nose incident.. that definitely caused plans to change. Vince and Cena aren't going to let Rollins go unpunished. Also the ratings are down at the moment, but they're going to blame Rollins and not the product as a whole.. Vince will hit panic mode and hand Cena the championship, thinking thats the magic button to increase the ratings again. I can't wait to see the ratings go on a further decline when Cena regains the championship.
Mighty NorCal
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Good, glad we are settled.
Nate DaMac
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Holy shit this thread is still going.
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