RAW LD 10/20/2014 - The Go-Home Filler Show

[L@RISANO]

WTF!!

 

[rbv13]

Nice twist here at the end.

 

[Alastor]

Since that dusty finish after Cesaro got the shot, they only had a 6-Man tag match and the match tonight to set up the next IC title match. What trading wins are you talking about?

Think you are responding to the wrong person. Never said they were trading wins.

 

[BaconBits]

Was it ever cool?

I think in the 80s or something. Life goes on.

 

[Skuzzy]

well thats interesting

 

[rbv13]

How in the hell did Rollins get on top of the Cell so fast?

 

[Alastor]

Orton's face turn is coming.

 

[BaconBits]

Orton's face turn is coming.

It might have just happened.

 

[The Holy One]

Think you are responding to the wrong person. Never said they were trading wins.

You did say it was repetitive which is basically just the same.

 

[Alastor]

You did say it was repetitive which is basically just the same.

No its not the same. Just means showcasing them in matches only gets repetitive. Not saying it is the horrible route to take though since you already pointed out their flaws on the mic. Cessaro was horrible on commentary the other day.

 

[L@RISANO]

I think they've been giving plenty of focus. They've been given screen time for Raw and Smackdown. You must not have been watching hard enough same with Sheamus/Miz. I don't think people realize how much time the mid-card champions have been given since Ziggler and Sheamus started to show up in the picture. At this time last year, Curtis Axel was being Punk's bitch and Ambrose was too busy being an Authority lapdog.

I am aware of the fact it has improved, but with the WWE title not present because of the (Awesome) Part-time champion, you'd think the MidCard title scene would get more than just the customary one segment per RAW. Doesn't have to be a match of some form each time, but something to build the feud in a more effective manner(Dolph v Cesaro had an interesting start but it has sort of loss some momentum week by week after that early promise).

 

[The Holy One]

No its not the same. Just means showcasing them in matches only gets repetitive. Not saying it is the horrible route to take though since you already pointed out their flaws on the mic. Cessaro was horrible on commentary the other day.

If you agree with that point, then why are we having this argument again? I just wanted to point out that two guys having a feud based on who's the better man is all right especially if those guys aren't that good on the mic. Hell, Ziggler/Miz dare I say probably had the best IC title feud we've seen in a while and it was full of those non-wrestling segments but people still showed their displeasure.

 

[L@RISANO]

Orton's face turn is coming.

Hopefully, Orton vs Lesnar is coming also. Cena was booked a bit on the weak side tonight, hope that doesn't mean he gets the win at HiaC(and waste that RKO on Heyman).

Tho, what Rollins did has now thrown a huge swerve.(still, Rollins vs Orton is my hope for Mania, to nail home the stuff about the 'future' as Rollins alluded to)

 

[L@RISANO]

If you agree with that point, then why are we having this argument again? I just wanted to point out that two guys having a feud based on who's the better man is all right especially if those guys aren't that good on the mic. Hell, Ziggler/Miz dare I say probably had the best IC title feud we've seen in a while and it was full of those non-wrestling segments but people still showed their displeasure.

I actually appreciated that feud while it lasted,tbh. I think both guys sort of complimented each other.

However, given the start of Cesaro v Ziggler(heel tactics by Ziggler and all)...I guess I expected it to go a different direction than just, "who is the better man?" Maybe even a double turn of sorts would've been a nice shake-up.

 

[The Holy One]

I am aware of the fact it has improved, but with the WWE title not present because of the (Awesome) Part-time champion, you'd think the MidCard title scene would get more than just the customary one segment per RAW. Doesn't have to be a match of some form each time, but something to build the feud in a more effective manner(Dolph v Cesaro had an interesting start but it has sort of loss some momentum week by week after that early promise).

Yeah, and what effective manner would that be? Seriously, I'm open to ideas here.

 

[The Holy One]

I actually appreciated that feud while it lasted,tbh. I think both guys sort of complimented each other.

However, given the start of Cesaro v Ziggler(heel tactics by Ziggler and all)...I guess I expected it to go a different direction than just, "who is the better man?" Maybe even a double turn of sorts would've been a nice shake-up.

I'm all for a Cesaro face run, but I've seen enough of Ziggler as a heel to know that is not what anybody should want.

 

[L@RISANO]

Yeah, and what effective manner would that be? Seriously, I'm open to ideas here.

Anything more than what they have been doing, basically. As I said, it started in an interesting manner(the title shot on SD, the 3-way match) and then it sort of petered out because that stuff with Dolph using heel tactics wasn't really explored much at all, whilst Cesaro even did the Big Swing,I believe at some point. The way it has turned out kind of gives the sense that Creative took a step back from the original idea(given how it all started out).

Now unless we get some sort of swerve again, I don't see this feud lasting beyond HiaC, and for me(who appreciates both guys), that is a bit of a bummer(given Miz v Dolph lasted longer).

Again, I guess for us it is a case of to "each his own". You seem fine with how they have been handled, I think there should've been more focus than has been given.

 

[L@RISANO]

I'm all for a Cesaro face run, but I've seen enough of Ziggler as a heel to know that is not what anybody should want.

Ditto on Cesaro.

Haven't ever seen Ziggler as a Heel before. Just thought it could've gone in such a direction based on how the feud started off initially.

 

[The Butcher]

Haven't ever seen Ziggler as a Heel before.

Just picture Dolph standing in the ring with a shit eating grin on his face while Vicki Guerrero cuts a promo.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

How have you not seen Ziggler has a heel? God knows he didn't gain that fan base during his abysmal face run last year.

Alright show, they're really building Rollins as the top heel in the company which is huge when you think about it but feels so small scale with this roster they currently have. Like besides him and Orton who will be face soon who the hell is left?

 

[The Holy One]

Anything more than what they have been doing, basically. As I said, it started in an interesting manner(the title shot on SD, the 3-way match) and then it sort of petered out because that stuff with Dolph using heel tactics wasn't really explored much at all, whilst Cesaro even did the Big Swing,I believe at some point. The way it has turned out kind of gives the sense that Creative took a step back from the original idea(given how it all started out).

Now unless we get some sort of swerve again, I don't see this feud lasting beyond HiaC, and for me(who appreciates both guys), that is a bit of a bummer(given Miz v Dolph lasted longer).

Again, I guess for us it is a case of to "each his own". You seem fine with how they have been handled, I think there should've been more focus than has been given.

See that would've been fine if turning Ziggler heel was a good choice, but trust me it is not. He's far better off as a face. Personally, I am fine with what creative did so far, but to be honest I would've rather they not have done this feud at all. I don't think these are two guys who can deliver in a segment heavy feud much like Ambrose/Rollins or even Ziggler/Miz. As much hate as he gets, the Miz is a great mouthpiece and that is someone who Cesaro needs to feud with, a guy who can carry the promos.

 

[The Mattitude Era]

Orton was on his game tonight. Had that fire.

 

[L@RISANO]

Just picture Dolph standing in the ring with a shit eating grin on his face while Vicki Guerrero cuts a promo.

Not fair tho, since Vicki = Automatic Boos, guess Dolph didn't have to do much to get heat from the crowd(just put Vicki on the microphone.LOL)

 

[The Holy One]

How have you not seen Ziggler has a heel? God knows he didn't gain that fan base during his abysmal face run last year.

He damn sure wasn't any better during his heel run as the only heat he had was due to one person and one person only, Vickie Guerrero.

Alright show, they're really building Rollins as the top heel in the company which is huge when you think about it but feels so small scale with this roster they currently have. Like besides him and Orton who will be face soon who the hell is left?

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[L@RISANO]

How have you not seen Ziggler has a heel? God knows he didn't gain that fan base during his abysmal face run last year.

Alright show, they're really building Rollins as the top heel in the company which is huge when you think about it but feels so small scale with this roster they currently have. Like besides him and Orton who will be face soon who the hell is left?

Nope. Stopped watching for quite a while until SummerSlam 2013. Missed Nexus, Legacy, Ryback, Punk, etc.(though I have watched quite a bit of videos of those Superstars to make up).