Rape Culture in Society

[Con T.]

So, a couple months ago, Beyonce had her ass slapped while performing in Copenhagen. Here's the footage;

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So, there we have it, woman gets sexually harassed right in front of the world. Pretty clear case of sexual harassment, no?

Oh, ho, ho, not on the Internet, my child.

Lol. She practically gives the guy a lap dance and then acts like she’s outraged he patted her on the butt.
Here’s an idea sweetheart. Don’t sell yourself as a sex object if you don’t want to be treated like one.

You can take the Rat out of the hood but ………………

Act like a **** bunny get treated like a **** bunny.

These were just the first three comments on this article here....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...during-live-concert-she-wasnt-happy-about-it/

The question I have for you all is; where is the line of "blame" in a situation like this? Where do we say who's at fault for someone getting assaulted, if they act in a provocative manner?

I'm rather curious what's to be said here

 

[klunderbunker]

This isn't Beyonce's fault in the slightest.

There's a very fine line between a performer and a member of the audience. Yes the fan paid for a ticket to the show and is free to enjoy it as he wants to, but the second you put your hands on someone against their will you lose whatever privileges you had. That's the case in any facet of life: you can't put your hands on anyone against their will, no matter what the situation is.

As for the argument that Beyonce's look and actions caused the man to touch her, it's nothing more than the devil made me do it argument. In other words, it's the same defense that many criminals use. Basically they're saying they have no self control and for some reason can't be held responsible for these actions. If that's the case, this person shouldn't have been at the concert. A big part of Beyonce's fame and success is her sex appeal. She's going to be in very revealing outfits and is going to be very sexual on stage. If you can't control yourself in that environment, don't go to the show.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Uhhhhh, she was just standing there. Don't be a fucking moron.

There are lines of provocative dress/talk/actions that would excuse mistaken intent or lack of inhibition (at least at the outset....Past the point of an initial fondle, after it has been made clear that despite whatever actions/words/dress that it isnt in fact that sort of party, then you need to cease and desist said fondling) but that wasn't it.

I donno, maybe ive just been a part of a lot more heathenistic filth, but to me, Beyonce doing her regular act simply standing in front of someone isn't really provocation for unrequested touching.

 

[jmt225]

Just like with racism, people overstate the rate of "Rape Culture" in today's society because of ******s on the internet running their mouths ANONYMOUSLY on comment sections.

Pretty much every concert gets filmed from beginning to end. How many instances have we've seen a female performer get groped by someone in the audience? Go to Youtube and you won't see many, and they all have the same opportunity that guy had to do it. But it rarely, RARELY happens. But when that one time does happen, and the glorious comment section opens up below the article, here come the trolls to say stupid shit to rile people up. And then of course their comments get taken literally despite the fact that 99% of the clowns who commented on the story would have never done what that kid did in the first place.

As far as that guy having the "right" to inappropriately touch Beyonce because she's acting and dressing provocatively, everyone with a brain knows that isn't right. And way more people have a brain than humanity is given credit for.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It seems to me that the guy simply took it upon himself to cop a feel from a woman that's not only gorgeous but insanely famous.

Up until about 30 or so years ago, the idea of harassing a woman sexually or even outright committing sexual assault was chalked up to various excuses that often excused men's behavior. You'd often hear claims like, "Look at how she's dressed, she was asking for it" or "she was flirting with me all night, so she really wanted it" or the all time classic "boys will be boys". In the minds of a lot of people, women who behaved or dressed in a provocative manner "deserved" what was coming to them. Hell, some people still believe that as voiced in the various quotes.

This sort of attitude in America really started to die out with the case of a woman named Cheryl Araujo. In early March 1983, after having put her kids to bed after one of her daughter's birthday parties, she went out to buy some cigarettes and the store she usually went to was closed. So she went into a place called Big Dan's Tavern in New Bedord, Massachusetts instead. A couple of men approached her and asked her to leave with them but she declined. Another man then came up and threw her onto a pool table, she was stripped to the waist and was gang raped by several men in the bar. She was violently raped and thought she'd heard other patrons cheering & laughing, though it was revealed that the bar only had three other people in the bar besides the ones raping her. One of them was the bartender and another was a customer who did try to intervene but were threatened. The other one was drunk off his ass and passed out. After they'd finished, she ran screaming into the street half naked and was taken to the nearest hospital by some college students. All in all, four men were brought to trial for raping her.

The trial gained international attention and brought to light how rape victims were treated. There were Rape Shield laws in the US at the time, but they often varied from state to state. For instance, most didn't allow past sexual behavior to be used in cross examining a rape victim but some did. Also, her name was broadcast during television coverage of the trial. The four were convicted of aggravated rape but none of them served more than 6.5 years. It wasn't until 1994 when a federal Rape Shield law was passed as part of the Violence Against Women Act.

In 1988, a film called The Accused was released that was loosely based on Araujo's case. It starred Jodie Foster in as a woman named Sarah Tobias, earning her first Academy Award win. She's out one night partying at a bar, dressed in a short skirt, having some fun, etc. and is ultimately raped in the bar on top of a pinball machine by several patrons while many other bar patrons were cheering them on.

Sorry about the legal history lesson. Now what happened with Beyoncé certainly isn't rape but she didn't do anything to warrant it either. When a man goes into a titty bar for a lap dance, he's not allowed to start groping the dancer. It's a rule he obeys or he gets roughed up by the bouncer before being escorted out. So if it's not okay to grope a woman that's being paid to gyrate naked as the day she was born on your lap, then why's it okay for this guy to slap Beyoncé on the ass when he obviously wasn't encouraged or invited to do so? The "I paid my money so I can do what I like" bullshit doesn't hold water in this situation at all. If you want to jeer, scream and boo at a sporting event or concert or whatever; more power to you. When you put your hands on someone else, it's a whole different ball game. Hell, it's been all over the internet about a fan in South Africa jumping into the ring and giving Randy Orton a stiff shot in the nuts as he was up on the ropes posing for fans. He was in no way justified no matter how much money he paid. Just because Orton's image is that he's not all that nice of a guy, just as Beyoncé's image has to do with her dancing sexually provocative, means nothing.

That's the thing about an image is that it's simply that; an image that's used to generate hype. In hip hop, how many artists portray themselves as gun toting, drug dealing gang bangers? Quite a few but, in actuality, how many of them legitimately come from that sort of lifestyle? Not nearly as many as the record companies want fans to believe. Beyoncé's image implies a lack of inhibition and sexual allure, but that in no way implies that she's ready for all the boys to line up and wait their turn.

 

[LSN80]

Call me really old-fashioned, but it's never the woman's fault if she's touched inappropriately against her will.

I'll really show myself to be old-fashioned here, or a prude if you will, but I've never been to a strip-club. But I don't know any of my friends who haven't, and there are certain things that are pretty common knowledge. Women who are portraying themselves as sexual objects for money still can't be touched on most occasions. And someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't an act like the one perpetrated on Beyonce, done at a strip club, end your night early? And essentially, the only thing these women are selling is their sexuality. In the case of Beyonce, while she certainly sells her sexuality, without question, she's an entertainer first.

Maybe I'm extra-sensitive on this subject because of the work I do, but I've done my fair share of therapy with female rape victims. And I simply don't care how much, or how little, a woman is wearing. In the case of Beyonce, I've seen her in music videos or performing on TV wearing much, much less. It's an unfortunate happenstance of our society that men(or people in general) equate the amount of clothing a woman is wearing with the rights they have to their bodies. Perception, in more cases then I'd like to recall, is that the less the woman is wearing, the less right she has to her own body.

I look at the comments people made, then I look at Beyonce's reaction. Then I think of the aforementioned strip clubs, and how doing the same to a woman selling a degree of sexuality can end your night early. I imagine those people who made those comments to Beyonce, such as calling her a "**** bunny", are the same type who've had a night or two ended early because they thought women selling sexuality(to a degree) were fair game.

But that's the mindset perpetrated at concerts that's never fully gone away, isn't it? How many of you have been to a concert with a female friend that was attractive, and in the heat of the moment or the mosh pit, have seen men take liberties on a woman such as grabbing her breasts or squeezing her butt? I was with a friend at a Stone Temple Pilots concert some 10+ years ago who practically had her shirt ripped off, which she must have deserved since it was skintight and she was crowd-surfing, right?

Good for Beyonce for having the man escorted out. While it likely won't change much, as evidenced by the comments made regarding her, hopefully one man, at least, learned that regardless of how a woman is dressed( or even behaving), you don't touch them unless they give you permission to.

 

[Con T.]

Just like with racism, people overstate the rate of "Rape Culture" in today's society because of ******s on the internet running their mouths ANONYMOUSLY on comment sections.

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Right, this is an overstated issue, and it's contained to just the Internet;


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For that matter, it's just an American issue, and found nowhere else.

This "anonymous" issue is quickly becoming, and already was a pretty big issue in society. It's no longer just the idiots, it's the masses that are accepting it.

Need I remind you that Blurred Lines is at the top of the charts? And I don't think I need to remind you the chorus to that song.

This "anonymous" issue? If someone doesn't act on, it's going to filter into the mainstream, hell to becoming common. But yeah, sure, it's overstated. Right.

 

[jmt225]

This didn't even take place in America, first of all.

Secondly, OF COURSE there are horrible rape and sexual harassment cases out there. But acting like we're not a society that's becoming more and more intolerable of these types of actions is flat out ridiculous.

My ultimate point is, people take anonymous internet comments as a majority opinion, and that's fucking stupid. The internet makes this World seem a lot more evil then it actually is. Who do you see on television saying it's acceptable to do these things? No one. Why? Because people know that it's wrong, and only clowns willing to say it anonymously are those voicing the other opinion, when like I said, 99% of them would have never done what that kid did to begin with.

 

[Con T.]

My ultimate point is, people take anonymous internet comments as a majority opinion, and that's fucking stupid. The internet makes this World seem a lot more evil then it actually is. Who do you see on television saying it's acceptable to do these things? No one. Why? Because people know that it's wrong, and only clowns willing to say it anonymously are those voicing the other opinion, when like I said, 99% of them would have never done what that kid did to begin with.

Aye; and when people support Robin Thicke and Blurred Lines is supported by the majority (read; not just the Internet. If anything, the Internet has been the biggest opponent to the song), you really think we're not supporting the message at a subconscious level?

All I'm saying is that this is quickly becoming more than an Internet issue. And even if it were contained to the Internet (which it isn't), with the Internet being such a large portion of the world now, isn't that kind of a problem that it's creeping into the fastest expanding entity in the world?

 

[jmt225]

Aye; and when people support Robin Thicke and Blurred Lines is supported by the majority (read; not just the Internet. If anything, the Internet has been the biggest opponent to the song), you really think we're not supporting the message at a subconscious level?

That Robin Thicke song is awful. Just musically, it's atrocious.

That said, I enjoyed the video. Emily Ratajkowski is fucking stunning. Her and the others in the video were willing components. I found nothing "rapey" about it or that stupid ass song.

All I'm saying is that this is quickly becoming more than an Internet issue. And even if it were contained to the Internet (which it isn't), with the Internet being such a large portion of the world now, isn't that kind of a problem that it's creeping into the fastest expanding entity in the world?

No.

Women are becoming more and more "open" with their bodies and wearing less and less. And we as a society are accepting the fact that just because a woman dresses a certain way, that doesn't mean you have the right to lay your hands on her.

Quite frankly, women who dress provocatively have more of a chance of being harassed by other women than they do men. I don't have any statistics to back that up, but I'm pretty certain it's a fact. Not physically harassed, but definitely verbally. Women are way more vicious to each other than men are to them these days.

 

[Con T.]

That Robin Thicke song is awful. Just musically, it's atrocious.

Oh yeah, easily one of the worst songs of the year. Like, really awful.

That said, I enjoyed the video. Emily Ratajkowski is fucking stunning. Her and the others in the video were willing components. I found nothing "rapey" about it or that stupid ass song.

Interesting you mention the video; here's a quote from Robin Thicke himself;

"We tried to do everything that was taboo. Bestiality, drug injections, and everything that is completely derogatory towards women. Because all three of us are happily married with children, we were like, "We're the perfect guys to make fun of this."

People say, "Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?" I'm like, "Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman.

It's ok though; Thicke knows you want it.

He knows you want it.

He knows you want it.

Women are becoming more and more "open" with their bodies and wearing less and less. And we as a society are accepting the fact that just because a woman dresses a certain way, that doesn't mean you have the right to lay your hands on her.

I'd like you to watch this video:

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Now, if we all knew it was so ok, would we still have these images so prevalent in our media?

Quite frankly, women who dress provocatively have more of a chance of being harassed by other women than they do men. I don't have any statistics to back that up, but I'm pretty certain it's a fact. Not physically harassed, but definitely verbally. Women are way more vicious to each other than men are to them these days.

Harassed? Perhaps.

Made to feel unsafe? Pretty sure it's a different feeling.

 

[jmt225]

Harassed? Perhaps.

Made to feel unsafe? Pretty sure it's a different feeling.

Here's the thing...

The fact that we're seeing more and more women dress so provocatively in public tells me that they do feel safe. That's why I feel like the whole "rape culture" thing is overstated. Yes, it's fine to continue to bring awareness to the horrors of any kind of sexual harassment. I just hate when people act like this is the majority opinion, especially when it's based off internet comments. To me, women are in such a great place in this country right now, same thing for minorities. And it's the media who continues to push these stories down people's throat, trying to convince everyone that things aren't improving and everyone should be oh so afraid to walk down the street or to have a drink at a bar. And it's these internet comments that they use to fuel the fire.

here's a quote from Robin Thicke himself

Robin Thicke's a dumb ass.

Women are just becoming more and more open to their sexuality as the new generations continue to grow. Just as many women like that video and song as men do.

Personally, I say it's about time. America has always been way too anal about sex. There are things I hate about the newer generations and the shit they will promote and make people accept, but a woman's sexuality is not one of them. It's a beautiful thing, and sharing the message that women have something to be afraid of only slows the progression down.

Now, if we all knew it was so ok, would we still have these images so prevalent in our media?

It's music, man. Everything is expressed in music. Positivity, negativity... everything. It doesn't at all reflect how society is though.

 

[Con T.]

I'm not saying we all have to run and never see the light if day; what I'm saying is, I feel this is becoming an issue in society, and it's time to talk about how the media perpetuates the sense of entitlement I'm talking about, by promoting these images.

You mention how the media scares the world from that image, which I don't agree. I see where you're coming from, but I also see a media that has a vested interest in promoting a certain image to sell something. And to teenage boys, the image is the one that promotes the rape culture.

All I'm saying is that yes, we don't need to run and hide, but until we discuss why this is happening, we're going to get nowhere to solve it. Music plays far more a role in training the mind of the target audience, and drives the idea of what is "ok". And watching images like the ones I'm talking about sends a message I want no part in seeing played out in real life

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I think I'm mostly offended by the connection of a horrific act like rape to some hysterical media concept like rape culture to the Bootylicious singer getting her ass patted by a gay (yes, infract me but I'm saying a thin white male in the front row of a Beyonce concert is most likely gay) guy in Europe to a bunch of stupid ass troll comments on the internet.

Rape is an incredibly serious matter. Captain Hindsight agrees what this guy did was wrong but the connection is just really reaching.

 

[Con T.]

I think I'm mostly offended by the connection of a horrific act like rape to some hysterical media concept like rape culture to the Bootylicious singer getting her ass patted by a gay (yes, infract me but I'm saying a thin white male in the front row of a Beyonce concert is most likely gay) guy in Europe to a bunch of stupid ass troll comments on the internet.

Rape is an incredibly serious matter. Captain Hindsight agrees what this guy did was wrong but the connection is just really reaching.

Couple things:

A. The connection also does include the barrage of thought that she was dancing proactively and had it coming, admittedly mostly coming from an Internet.

B. it isn't rape, more rape culture. The idea that she had it coming, or that anyone can touch her in a sexual (gay or not) manner.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Then I must confess that I am a rapist or I guess in this case a rape culturalist. About five years ago I was playing co-ed soccer and one of my female teammates/friends scored a goal. I was so happy for her and so impressed by the goal that I gave her ass a pat, like Ochocinco to a lawyer. It must have been all those Robin Thicke and Sir Mix-A-Lot songs I've been listening to (do you see the irony in your criticizing idiots on the internet for them blaming the artist and you criticizing other popular media? If so, could you explain to me the meaning of irony? I still don't understand it.). Somehow we are still friends, in fact it, I realized that it may be taken the wrong way a split second after I did it but no one ever seemed to care because either they didn't notice or they know me and understood the context.

People on the internet can be idiots. Some are trolls (Super Awesome) and others are just that back asswards (Super Awesome). The Beyonce thing was wrong and I'm sure the guy is second guessing his action but he really appeared to mean no harm. Rapists do terrible harm. Ariel Castro was influenced by I want to fuck you like an animal, I want to feel you from the inside.

 

[Con T.]

Then I must confess that I am a rapist or I guess in this case a rape culturalist. About five years ago I was playing co-ed soccer and one of my female teammates/friends scored a goal. I was so happy for her and so impressed by the goal that I gave her ass a pat, like Ochocinco to a lawyer.

Different contexts, and differently situations. Patting a girl on the ass doesn't make you a rapist; it doesn't make the Beyonce guy a rapist. I guess the question (and I already know the answer) is, did you have a

It must have been all those Robin Thicke and Sir Mix-A-Lot songs I've been listening to (do you see the irony in your criticizing idiots on the internet for them blaming the artist and you criticizing other popular media? If so, could you explain to me the meaning of irony? I still don't understand it.).

Not really; I don't think I ever said the mainstream doesn't have a hand in feeding the culture. The difference is, that media is driven by an agenda to sell shit. So, they place this image for the world to see.

I don't know anything about your upbringing, but you seem a well adjusted enough feller. You have the sense to know right and wrong, and though I don't know how much your parents were involved, it seems like you have a good, bald head on your shoulders.

Some teenagers? They don't. And I was the exact same way, I thought about girls all the time in high school, it was just hormonal. But luckily I had some sort of recognition and influence that the images I saw on MTV were pretty shitty images of women.

Some people? They don't have that. And that becomes a playing out of what they assume to be possible. I'm not saying it's all media, but it sure does play a part in it

Somehow we are still friends, in fact it, I realized that it may be taken the wrong way a split second after I did it but no one ever seemed to care because either they didn't notice or they know me and understood the context.
People on the internet can be idiots. Some are trolls (Super Awesome) and others are just that back asswards (Super Awesome). The Beyonce thing was wrong and I'm sure the guy is second guessing his action but he really appeared to mean no harm. Rapists do terrible harm. Ariel Castro was influenced by I want to fuck you like an animal, I want to feel you from the inside.

You know why I bolded that part, right?

 

[Danger Burger]

Interesting you mention the video; here's a quote from Robin Thicke himself;

When you provide the whole quote it seems a little less sinister. Fortunately, you gave a link to it.

The whole thing to me screams of parody. The video is outlandish. The "blurred lines" are about the tabboo's of modern society; the sex and drugsd in the video presented as novel ideas, and what you're supposed to be able to say or show. Robin Thickes wife makes it pretty clear the angle they were going for in her reaction to the video being taken down: "Violence is Ugly. Nudity is beautiful.". Think about what youre told is wrong, even by film ratings. I just watched a guy with giant metal claws kill a couple hundred people in the cinema the other day- Rating twelves. Show some nudity and you get banned from youtube.

Its definately patronizing, even if that was the point. And like every other musuc video out there it objectifies women. But I don't get the rape aspect. You can read it into it, but you can read it into alot of things. The chorus' lyrics are meant to be mocking the old guys sitting outside yelling at beautiful women.

Thats just my thoughts on the Robin thicke thing anyway. As for rape culture, it's not something I've ever seen a proper definition of. I suppose it is mostly the idea that a person could be at fault for anothers actions? That mentality of "she/he had it coming"? It doesn't neccesarily always mean that rape is the only extension of it. I'm allowed to touch your body sexually because I believe you were looking for that kind of attention is the crux of it. So is this about the prevalence of sexual harrassment, or the mentality of having a right to do it?

I think most people do not think this way. I think it mostly comes at the cost of stupidty, rather than an idea of "i'm in the right to touch you". What I mostly think of is... Shit I have no clue.

Three step explaination is in order. The setting is a night club. Theres drink, dancing and low lighting... The usual. Two people talkiing and dancing together for a while.

1) The girl (it's usually a girl were talking about here, so i'll stick with that for the example, but it happens guys too) is giving an invitation to a sexual advance, a touch or a kiss as you will. The guy makes a move, all ends well.

2) The girl is not giving an indication that sexual advances are wanted. The guy makes his move. The girl denies the move. All ends well.

3) The girl again give no invitation. The guy makes a move. The girl denies the move and the guy feels jipped and persists in his advances.

The third guy is in the wrong, but I think the second guy gets lumped in with a rape culture mentality a lot more than he should. The lovelorn drunk has met his day. I've been girl number two, and I've been guy number two.

Sexual harrassment is still prevalent, just recently (prepare to hear some stupidity) one of my country's politicians grabbed a female politician and made her sit on his lap. This happened during a debate on abortion (also known as what a woman is allowed to do with her own body).

I don't know if I've said anything interesting, but responses would be great so I can learn something here. Rape disgusts me. I couldn't finish my dinner after an episode of the soprano's the other day. I always walk my girl to her door at night, even though shes lives a half hour walk from my house because I'm afraid of anything happening to her. She can kick my ass, but I still wouldn't risk it.

Spoiler

Source of Robin Thicke interview: http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/20...g-with-2-chainz-and-kendrick-lamar-mercy.html

 

[Con T.]

So, funny little thing I read at work today;

http://jezebel.com/yale-officially-declares-nonconsensual-sex-not-that-b-988475927

The word "rape" does not factor into Yale's new report on how the university is handling sexual misconduct; instead, the act is described as "nonconsensual sex," and it's usually punishable by "written reprimand." (Sometimes rapists have to spend some time thinking about respect!) According to the report, five of the six people Yale identified as nonconsensual sex-havers over the past six months either graduated without much stress or will be returning to campus in the fall.

So, Yale University, one of the "beacons" do intelligence at America, which is quite likely to produce the "leaders" of the country, basically say, "rape? Nah, brah, it's all good".

Of course, this isn't really something new with Yale University.

But hey, relax; Yale ain't the only one, baby.

And we still want to argue there isn't a problem with rape culture, in the mainstream or otherwise?

 

[George Steele's Barber]

So, funny little thing I read at work today;

http://jezebel.com/yale-officially-declares-nonconsensual-sex-not-that-b-988475927



So, Yale University, one of the "beacons" do intelligence at America, which is quite likely to produce the "leaders" of the country, basically say, "rape? Nah, brah, it's all good".

Of course, this isn't really something new with Yale University.

But hey, relax; Yale ain't the only one, baby.

And we still want to argue there isn't a problem with rape culture, in the mainstream or otherwise?

Must...Grasp...At...Any...Straw

Totally different issue. Colleges have some weird power along with law enforcement, the military, and church that seems to allow them to make their own rules and handle their own matters internally that most would assume should be law enforcement matters.

Chet and Pip aren't going around raping because of some sad interpretation of a wrongful horrific action that is put in place because no school wants to be known as the #1 Rape School in th US. They do it because their rapists, plain and simple. I believe it was Keats who said A rapist, is a rapist, is a rapist..

On one hand you have such an issue with idiots on the internet blaming Beyonce for being a victim but on the other hand you're giving even the slightest justification for rape based on some culture, or society, or set of rules in certain organizations really bothers me.

I appreciate that your heart is in the right place. You and I clearly share similar values. I've shared the same mindset as you in my past. You respect and want to protect women - me too - but to me, if it is rape, it is clear, it is wrong and falls on the shoulder of the rapist. Not society, not media, not internet trolls, and especially not the demon spawn of our Canadian Messiah Alan Thicke.

Start another thread about college and universities abusing their power. I'd like to know how they get away with it. It's a topic I fail to totally comprehend. Until then I am going to sit around waiting for Pippa Middleton to walk past me so I can take her and use her as a feedbag.

 

[BrianFNPillman]

This argument is so overblown it's ridiculous.

It's not a question of "rape culture" or "porn culture" or any of that shit. It's all about boundaries, some people respect them, other people don't.

If you went to a strip club, would you touch the girl?

...Well, sure you would if you fancied a bit, you can do whatever you like in Spearmint Rhinos for 50 quid. But that's beside the point. Would you? No. Because you don't want your ass handed to you by some big roided black fucker who will break you in like the perv you are.

But for most of us, we wouldn't, because we recognise the boundaries. Personally, if it was me I wouldn't. It's clearly on for show, she has no interest in me, play along with the act and enjoy it's you. Fap to it later.

The same can be said for people in clubs or pubs or other morally questionable establishments, you can tell by the body language who is up for it and who isn't. Just stand on the bar and observe. There's always a slimy cunt creeping up on a girl who's with her friends trying for a casual grope and on the other side of things there's always a ****ty girl in the middle of things letting any idiot paw at her.

The problem is people have no shame anymore, the lines have been utterly blurred between what is acceptable and what is not so people do silly shit like this and then are shocked when a sect of other people react accordingly.

Everyone has a different standard. Leave it at that.

 

[Con T.]

Chet and Pip aren't going around raping because of some sad interpretation of a wrongful horrific action that is put in place because no school wants to be known as the #1 Rape School in th US. They do it because their rapists, plain and simple.

Out of fear of being "that guy".... They're...

But I see what you're saying. And can agree at certain levels. Hell, there's almost a part of me that feels I'm justifying the behavior of a rapist by saying pop culture plays some role.

But how do rapists come to be? Because I just don't think someone wakes up in the morning and decides to rape. There has to be not one, but many, many impetus for that kind of behavior; a perfect concoction of an entitlement cocktail.

And wouldn't it be fair to say that entitlement only gets stroked when a fair amount of the important things in the formulation years (media, for better or worse, universities, prisons if it gets that far) propel a certain image that rape is, at least subconsciously, not that big a deal?

 

[Danger Burger]

And wouldn't it be fair to say that entitlement only gets stroked when a fair amount of the important things in the formulation years (media, for better or worse, universities, prisons if it gets that far) propel a certain image that rape is, at least subconsciously, not that big a deal?

There is a point I find a little fault with in the way this issue get's covered. We'll go with the examples already brought up here for ease of everyone.

Both here and in my facebook feed are people giving out about Robin Thicke's song sounding 'Rapey'. Because of a line saying "I know you want me" and nudity in the video. I'm sitting at home watching Sopranos with a woman going to therapy over being raped, and we see the effects of it. Its not the A-plot of the show, so the focus isn't ultimately on the woman here, but it does offer an insight into how it affects a person. (I won't dare to attest to its accuracy.)

Now granted one is a television drama and one is a pop song, but I think it's unfair to conclude that mass media (excluding the news and politics) plays a large role in trivialising issues of rape to a point of influenceing anothers motives. I'm not too in the know in the area, but I have very few instances I can think of where rape is shown in a good light, or the rapist is supposed to be warmly recieved.

So it becomes an issue broadened. The objectification of women is a hefty issue, pretty prevalent in Soprano's at the very least. They pushed the envelope a nudge too far only a few episodes later, causing a good few people to cancel their subscriptions to HBO with regards a stripper/prostitute getting abused and killed.

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. But again none of this was shown as a good thing. I haven't gotten much past that point yet, but I can only assume the guy who done it will get what for.

I know this is only two things I'm looking at here, but I think we always focus on the negatives more than the positives. And even seek out negatives that may not be there. More has been done in the last few years against the supposed Rape Culture than ever before. It's become an issue that TV and Film have begun to treat seriously. We have people walking the street in their underwear protesting. We have newstations getting boycotted and reviled, like in the staubenville case; and more to note, we have people rising out of the cracks to see the rapists be put to justice. And we have people on a god damned wrestling forum trying to highlight the problem. We're on the up.

 

[LSN80]

But how do rapists come to be? Because I just don't think someone wakes up in the morning and decides to rape. There has to be not one, but many, many impetus for that kind of behavior; a perfect concoction of an entitlement cocktail.

It's nature and nurture, to be exact. There are an incredible amount of factors that play into one becoming a rapist, to be honest.

Rapists, in themselves, come from a culture or an ideal that objectifies women, or, on rare occasions, even men. Rapists, on the whole, tend to have a different personality structure than child molesters or pedophiles. While those individuals tend to be introverts, most rapists are actually extroverts, but are also born into cultures that breed aggresiveness. In essence, because the subject of their wake is an object, it's a "Take what you want because you can" type of personality, not only in this area of life, but in others as well. And that's a mindset that, in some shape or form is engrained into them from childhood. Athletes, at times, especially those who grew up with parents or coaches who pushed them too hard are more susceptible, especially since they are treated with a sense of entitlement at the same time.

There are always the sociopaths and the anti-social personalities as well. Unfortunately, some people are simply born this way, and regardless of how they're brought up, even in the best of situations, they're going to rape. But often, it's people who've lost power and control in areas of their lives, and use rape as a way to gain said lost things back. Even though they may not know the victim, these people tend to see rape as an act of vengeance against those who have wronged them. There are inate distortions, regardless of what they've learned or how they were raised, in how to deal with difficult issues and find rational solutions. So what happens? They take their aggression and anger out on someone as a means of seizing back power and control.

Thankfully, rape culture is generally not a large contributor to rape, unless distortions or defects already exist. Being exposed to people, music, or movies that treat rape as a small deal generally have little effect on people who don't have a pre-disposition to rape. It's generally, by and large, not a "follow the leader" type of thing. You read stories about college kids who "take turns" raping as a group on a woman, and those situations do exist. But they're very, very rare.

Three step explaination is in order. The setting is a night club. Theres drink, dancing and low lighting... The usual. Two people talkiing and dancing together for a while.

1) The girl (it's usually a girl were talking about here, so i'll stick with that for the example, but it happens guys too) is giving an invitation to a sexual advance, a touch or a kiss as you will. The guy makes a move, all ends well.

2) The girl is not giving an indication that sexual advances are wanted. The guy makes his move. The girl denies the move. All ends well.

3) The girl again give no invitation. The guy makes a move. The girl denies the move and the guy feels jipped and persists in his advances.

Alcohol can play a factor, without a doubt, but on the whole, people who rape under the influence of alcohol don't do so because of the alcohol, it's simply that alcohol loosens what little is left of the inhibitions that are stopping them in the first place.

Sexual harrassment is still prevalent, just recently (prepare to hear some stupidity) one of my country's politicians grabbed a female politician and made her sit on his lap. This happened during a debate on abortion (also known as what a woman is allowed to do with her own body)

My guess is that the male politician was trying to "make a point" about a woman's rights, rather then engaging in sexual harassment. It's more sexism then anything else.

And while I'm certainly not calling the man a rapist, I wouldn't be surprised if he's engaged in this behavior of entitlement in the past.

http://www.thejanedough.com/irish-politician-forces-female-colleague-onto-his-lap-during-debate/

 

[Con T.]

So remember the issue that started this whole chat, and how people said that there isn't as much an issue with rape culture?

Well, this fucking happened again

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So, we ready to admit the world's just a little rapey?