Randy Orton- General Thread

[Southwind]

Paradox we already talked about Orton on another thread aren't we just rehashing things here ?

If you don't like him cool but I and most people who have posted on this thread do your entitled to your opinion and so am I.

I will say one thing though you claim Orton is lazy your probably right but then again how much juice would you have doing a 330 day schedule a year at least ?

HBK gets lazy it's a known fact and even though I have ripped on him for it I only do that when others say "every time he is in the ring it's a 5 star match". It's unreasonable to expect people to perform 100% when they travel all the time across time zones and continents !

You need more realistic expectation pal and then maybe you can enjoy yoursle and wrestling more.

By the way you pretty much are blaming Orton for all of creative's mistakes like the tired "boring" argument. Watch Orton-Benoit from 2004 at SummerSlam Orton has the best dropkick in the biz and used to use a flying top rope cross body as well as a elevated neck breaker.

Are you really blaming Orton for legacy's failures due to booking from creative really ? Come on your better than that.

Was that move set entertaining oh yeah for sure but that's what heel psychology is not what Orton does now as the Viper is heel psychology there is your explanation.

It rings hollow when you say that you "want" him to succeed when you blame all creative's failures with Legacy and himself on him.

Somehow someway I think that is bull crap.

 

[Paradox]

Paradox we already talked about Orton on another thread aren't we just rehashing things here ?

I don't believe so.

If you don't like him cool but I and most people who have posted on this thread do your entitled to your opinion and so am I.

You are and I am to, I'm allowed to say what My opinion is.

I will say one thing though you claim Orton is lazy your probably right but then again how much juice would you have doing a 330 day schedule a year at least ?

Is Triple h? No Is John Cena? No. Chris Jericho? No. What about CM Punk? No, Matt Hardy? No. 'Taker? No. I could go on, but that would be pointless. Almost all of them have to work that schedule. Orton doesn't get a pass by that logic.

HBK gets lazy it's a known fact and even though I have ripped on him for it I only do that when others say "every time he is in the ring it's a 5 star match".

Question? Has Orton proven himself? In some eyes he may have. Until he has a great match at Mania on the biggest stage, or until he carries a feud. I will not say he has. HBK has on many times proven himself.

It's unreasonable to expect people to perform 100% when they travel all the time across time zones and continents!

Did I say that? No, I didn't. This isn't every once and awhile. It's on a nightly basis. I said that. He hasn't had a good match until Sunday. He still should be able to preform at a high level. Which he doesn't.

You need more realistic expectation pal and then maybe you can enjoy yoursle and wrestling more.

I do, Orton is one of the laziest people in the ring. Why is that everyone on the roster is more active in the ring or in their matches than Orton? I'll even make it easier. Who in the main event scene is as lazy as Orton? Name me someone.

By the way you pretty much are blaming Orton for all of creative's mistakes like the tired "boring" argument. Watch Orton-Benoit from 2004 at SummerSlam Orton has the best dropkick in the biz and used to use a flying top rope cross body as well as a elevated neck breaker.

Equal blame goes to each. Orton is the man out there, he's the entertainer. He should be able to make it entertaining. He's giving the promo... Is he not? He goes out in a mono tone voice and gives it. That's not on creative. It's not creatives fault that he doesn't do much in the ring. It's his, there is where I lay the blame on him.

I'm not denying the fact that he's a great athlete I think he is. But ever since moving to the main event he hasn't put near the effort into his matches.

Are you really blaming Orton for legacy's failures due to booking from creative really ? Come on your better than that.

Well if someone would have stepped up when give this opportunity then maybe Legacy would be bigger. When Evolution was formed each member stepped up. None of Legacy has.

Was that move set entertaining oh yeah for sure but that's what heel psychology is not what Orton does now as the Viper is heel psychology there is your explanation.

Yeah there is heel psychology, but when you are being cheered, it's not working. Orton's psychology is flawed. If it wasn't then he would be a great heel, and the most hated man in the company. He's not. No where close to that.

It rings hollow when you say that you "want" him to succeed when you blame all creative's failures with Legacy and himself on him.

I'm not, I honestly want him to succeed. I loved him when he was in the mid card and his feud with 'Taker, but since. He has been extremely disappointing. Hasn't had a good feud. And not many good matches.

Somehow someway I think that is bull crap.

Prove it.

 

[thewrestlinghero]

I think Randy Orton was way better as The legend Killer then The Viper. His promos then seem natural and not like he read them off a script. Some of Randy Orton best matches were against Rvd Chris Jericho hbk when he using the legend killer gimmick.

I like Randy Orton and I am a big fan of him but he needs to somehow freshen up his current gimmick because right now he looks seems like a garden snake then a viper all cause of the bad booking this year.

 

[TwistofRKO]

I love Randy Orton, and I love his character in principle, but he's severely caught up in the wrong era. He'd be thriving with this gimmick anywhere but now. I'm not bashing the PG rating here, that's a separate issue, but it's hurting him. He can't do too much to progress the psychopath in him, he doesn't taste his own blood, etc- he's put in the exact same type of feud every single time. I see Orton as a great wrestler and character caught up in bad booking and a bad fit for the current WWE motto.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I thought we already had a thread about Orton. Oh well.......

I used to love Randy Orton. He was a young, brash, cocky, and talented wrestler that had me thinking, "He is the future of the WWE." I was right. He did become, really, one of this generations biggest stars along with Cena. I remember when I loved Orton. He was so fun to watch, but what happened?

When he first started putting together the Legacy and he was attacking the McMahons, he was brilliant. Really, going into WM 25, he was must see T.V. You had to know what Orton was going to do next. However, like most of the WWE's hottest things going (See CM Punk) WWE dropped the ball on him. His sort of dangerous and deranged character can't work in a PG rating. He just can't go there. It is really sad to see, because when he is able to be let go, he is brilliant. You need only look at the Iron Man Match at Bragging Rights for proof of that. He was let loose in that match and the match was outstanding. That's not to say that Cena didn't help, but we're talking about Orton here.

Here lately, Orton has become the worst thing that any performer can and that's stale. We know what he is going to do and we know what he is going to talk about on the mic. We know how his matches are going to go and we know what to expect from him in just about every situation.

Him, seemingly, starting a feud with Kofi Kingston will help, IMO. This will pull him out of the title scene and give him a fresh young face to work with. If done right, this could be awesome to watch and it will be great to see Orton have an actual grudge feud instead of a title feud. I'm dying to see how this plays out.

I really do hope Orton makes a come back from the world of boring. He is one of the top guys now and he is going to be for years to come.

 

[david522kid]

i Randy he is a icon he has the most impressive team they will reach his standards at the ppv he did great worked well with lots of high intense action trying to get cena with pyro it was greatwas gr8 then the stfu to very well worked match

 

[The_Instant_Classic]

paradox i feel like you have issues with orton. but, in reality, you don't like him, and as long as you don't like him he's doing his job as a ME heel.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Randy Orton was tremendous to me when he feuding with Undertaker and Rey Mysterio because he was playing the cocky and arrogant guy perfectly. He did have a few issues after that but he has done well since then. Even though I'm not a huge of fan of the psychotic Randy Orton he's still doing a good job and can only improve.

 

[Southwind]

I personally enjoyed Orton more when he was feuding with Benoit however briefly Mysterio and Taker as well as Edge. He was more entertaining I'm not disptuing that he had a much more appealing move set (more like a babyface moveset) now his move set is much more basic and purely designed to get heat from the live crowd.

I'm sure he will go back to his more appealing role some time in the future but for now I am just going to appreciate the time I have with him on my screen.

 

[bcg60]

Randy Orton isn't a great worker by any means, good, yes, great, no. He needs to relax his muscles when in ring to really sell the whole "Psycho" gimmick they're trying to put on him. Maybe it's just me but if I see someone kicking someone in the skull with a completely calm look on their face, it'd make me believe the guy was actually crazy as opposed to Orton's "I GOTTA SHIT" face.

As for his promo's, he really needs to do the same for them, and by that I mean talking calmly about how he'll end his opponents career, it'd give him an image that he thinks nothing is wrong about it, thus selling the psycho gimmick even more.

What do you all think?

 

[psl19877]

Randy Orton is by far one of the very best heels in the wrestling world... EVER. Never had anyone in wrestling history (Besides Hulk Hugon joinning the NWO) has there ever been someone who gets over with the crowed as a heel as much has he does. You love to hate Randy Orton, and I think his gimmicks is one of the best gimmicks we will ever see in some time. Randy in my mind is a great worker, and one of the best all time heels.

 

[S prince]

Ever? What are you high? Personally I'm tired of his gimmick already. It was fresh for the first 6 months, but he couldn't hold a candle to the heat that Jericho or Edge can generate at any given moment. It's about time hes moving onto a new feud with Kingston. Orton has no personality to be one of the greatest heels ever. There is no creativity or originality to his style on the mic.

 

[bcg60]

Randy Orton is by far one of the very best heels in the wrestling world... EVER. Never had anyone in wrestling history (Besides Hulk Hugon joinning the NWO) has there ever been someone who gets over with the crowed as a heel as much has he does. You love to hate Randy Orton, and I think his gimmicks is one of the best gimmicks we will ever see in some time. Randy in my mind is a great worker, and one of the best all time heels.

Best? Nowhere near the best at this current time, sure he's good, but not one the of the best, as for the gimmicks, nowhere near. I'd rather watch The Miz. I'm still anxious to see what they'll do with Ted's heel turn, and with Hogan signing with TNA, I'm looking forward to WWE signing some big names they would of otherwised passed on.

 

[psl19877]

Really??? Look at what HE alone does. Besides in the WWE NO male gets the heat that he does, no wrestler like him makes you go omg, no wrestler do you love to hate more then Orton, personally if you take all of thoses things and really think about it and watch him and how the fans really react you will understand why he is one of the best heels we have ever seen.

 

[brainsuks123]

I 100% disaggre. The way he does everything is perfectly fine. He is the best Wrestler On the face of the planet from my view. Honestly when he Punts someone in the skull with that so called"I gotta shit face" It makes perfect says. Randy's gimmick is to be sick, Demented Crazy.......They didnt say he had to be kane. His promos are also good. Sometimes he can overboard as in talk more than really he should be but still thier better than most of the other stars in the company. but when you talk about mic skills Jericho is on the top list he always attracts heat when he talks. When Randy wrestles Usually he would get the heat...But now thier are tons of randy orton Wanna be's Internet ETC, Which is why normally you would here cheers.

 

[maar130]

Really??? Look at what HE alone does. Besides in the WWE NO male gets the heat that he does, no wrestler like him makes you go omg, no wrestler do you love to hate more then Orton, personally if you take all of thoses things and really think about it and watch him and how the fans really react you will understand why he is one of the best heels we have ever seen.

Does Orton makes you go OMG? come on man seriously, whis move of his makes you go like that? The best heel right now in the WWE is Jericho Hands down and Edge was better when he was around. Even Punk was more exiting when he turned heel. Orton was an interesting heel right before Wrestlemania, atfter that, the only thing that saves his case is the Bragging Rights match, one match out of tenhe had with Cena.

He is good, great if you will, but he is not the greatest at anything he does, not at this time and not ever.

 

[wrestling fan 666]

Good heel, yes; greatest of all time, far from it. Orton's gimmick is getting stale and the WWE knows this...why do you think they're making him feud with Kofi?...Kofi? Psycho Orton is good, but he needs to back it up some with some wrestling skills. One on one, he gets outmatched wrestling by so many others, which is why he depends on the psycho moves. He could learn some lessons from Jake the Snake on that one. Jake was one sadistic SOB, but had the wrestling skills to back up his threats.

I love the "I gotta take a shit" look quote. I've always hated the fact that when he finally has the guy where he wants him, he hesitates with the stupid look (like Shawn Michaels sweet chin music set-up). Please tell me that you all are aware that his RKO is the diamond cutter from DDP? I would like to see him come up with a new finisher like Cena had to do. He's got the talent, just needs to use it more.

 

[Jaziet]

Ok ORTON cannot be considered the G.O.A.T yet, but he is the most over heel in pro wrestling. Jericho plays the cowardly heel therefore he has to use cheap heel tactics ie insulting the crowd , cutting promo's with no emotion , hiding behind big show that gets you cheap heat . Edge is the ultimate opportunist and C.M PUNK is the righteous heel. ORTON plays a psychotic , unpredictable heel. As far as wrestling goes ORTON is up there with the best of them his inverted neck breaker looks sick. ORTON's RKO looks better than any diamond cutter you will ever see. And the only reason why ORTON was chosen to feud with kofi is due to the fact that jericho is jobbing so much he would add zero credibility in elevating kingston. RKO 4 ever

 

[fwill3]

WHAT CAN I SAY THIS GUY IS THE MAIN REASON I WATCH WWE BESIDE EDGE AND JERICHO. RANDY ORTON HAS BEEN THE BEST CHAMPION SINCE KURT ANGLE . I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WWE LET HIM JOB TO JOHN CENA I MEAN JOHN CENA CAN'T EVEN LACE ORTON BOOTS. ORTON IS THE FURTURE NOT CENA THIS GUY LEVEL FOR THE BUSINESS IS OUT THE WINDOW. I HOPE TO C "THE LEGEND KILLER" WITH THE TITLE SOON. GO RANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pattycat22]

I agree with some of the other posters, Orton's gimmick has lacked passion for some time now. He's become more of a robot than a psycho , with his monotone delivery & rote moves. Every match is utterly predictable. I liked him much better as "The Legend Killer"-he actually had some menace then. I couldn't stop laughing that time he brought out his so-called "lawyers" when fueding with the Mc Mahons-exactly how is that the action of a psycho pit-viper? Orton now seems more like a snake who gums his prey.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

WHAT CAN I SAY THIS GUY IS THE MAIN REASON I WATCH WWE BESIDE EDGE AND JERICHO. RANDY ORTON HAS BEEN THE BEST CHAMPION SINCE KURT ANGLE . I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WWE LET HIM JOB TO JOHN CENA I MEAN JOHN CENA CAN'T EVEN LACE ORTON BOOTS. ORTON IS THE FURTURE NOT CENA THIS GUY LEVEL FOR THE BUSINESS IS OUT THE WINDOW. I HOPE TO C "THE LEGEND KILLER" WITH THE TITLE SOON. GO RANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you mean Orton can't lace Cena boots? How many great matches has Orton had since 2006? One or two. Cena has had four or five times as many. Orton and Cena are the future because they are the heel and face for years to come unless one of them turns. Orton has been far from the best champion since Angle.

 

[Southwind]

Don't you mean Orton can't lace Cena boots? How many great matches has Orton had since 2006? One or two. Cena has had four or five times as many. Orton and Cena are the future because they are the heel and face for years to come unless one of them turns. Orton has been far from the best champion since Angle.

The cutoff date of 2006 is very convenient with you man because in 2005 Orton had a much better year than Cena.

I think you have a low expectation rate for great matches Cena and Orton have had good matches but neither have had great ones.

In 2005 Orton had an amazing feud with the Undertaker he had at least two good matches and probably three. (WM SS and HIAC).

I like Cena I really do him and Orton are the future top face and top heel. I've always felt the WWE should keep them as far away from each other as possible in order to create a classic encounter obviously this didn't happen.

If you want to compare the two don't use 2006 as a cutoff Orton had wayyyyyy better years than Cena in 2004-2005 while Cena had better years in 2006-2007. I feel Orton had a better year than Cena in 2008 partly because of his injury but oh well.

 

[Southwind]

Good heel, yes; greatest of all time, far from it. Orton's gimmick is getting stale and the WWE knows this.

If Orton's gimmick is getting stale than Triple H HBK Cena and Edge's gimmicks are collecting mold on the back of some shelf.

Orton has at least changed his gimmick in the last 4 years none of these other guys have.

 

[fwill3]

OK LITTLE JERRY LAWLER: I'M BE THE BIG JERRY LAWLER HERE IS A SOME TOP MATCHES SINCE 2006 FROM MY MAN "THE LEGEND KILLER" RANDY ORTON


RANDY ORTON VS. HHH WWE NO MERCY OCT. 7,2007 BOTH MATCHES
RANDY ORTON VS. KURT ANGLE WWE VENGEANCE JUNE 25,2006
RANDY ORTON VS. HULK HOGAN WWE SUMMERSLAM AUG. 20.2006
RANDY ORTON VS. KURT ANGLE ECW ONE NIGHT STAND JUNE 11,2006
AND......................................
RANDY ORTON BEAT YOUR BOY JOHN CENA AND HHH WWE WRESTLEMANIA MARCH 30,2008
I'M THE REAL JERRY LAWLER I STAY IN MEMPHIS

 

[Paradox]

WHAT CAN I SAY THIS GUY IS THE MAIN REASON I WATCH WWE BESIDE EDGE AND JERICHO.

Well, you should watch because of Edge and Jericho, and both of them are great. Jericho is getting a little stale, but can still put on a good matches night in and night out. Orton on the other hand is lazy boring and really isn't that great in the ring.

RANDY ORTON HAS BEEN THE BEST CHAMPION SINCE KURT ANGLE .

Really, Orton isn't anywhere near the level of champion half of the men have been in that time. Let's see. Cena has been better, but then that's pointless with you since you don't like him. So let's think about this. 'Taker, yeah he's pretty damn good, lot better than Orton. Edge has been a better champion than Orton. Same as Punk. Even with his booking issues. Hardy was more entertaining.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WWE LET HIM JOB TO JOHN CENA I MEAN JOHN CENA CAN'T EVEN LACE ORTON BOOTS.

Like LJL said Orton can't lace Cena's boots. Orton didn't have an entertaining match this year until Bragging Rights. I want you to name me one match besides that match that was entertaining. Last year? What great matches did Orton have? 07 His match with Cena at SummerSlam was the only good match that he had that year.

ORTON IS THE FURTURE NOT CENA THIS GUY LEVEL FOR THE BUSINESS IS OUT THE WINDOW. I HOPE TO C "THE LEGEND KILLER" WITH THE TITLE SOON. GO RANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How the hell is he better than Cena? He's lazy in the ring, boring on the mic.
Why is that Cena has had entertaining matches this year, while Orton hasn't? Why is that Orton hasn't done been give the opportunity to carry the company on his back while Cena has? Maybe because Cena is better? Maybe because he can actually entertain? No, that certainly be it...

OK LITTLE JERRY LAWLER: I'M BE THE BIG JERRY LAWLER HERE IS A SOME TOP MATCHES SINCE 2006 FROM MY MAN "THE LEGEND KILLER" RANDY ORTON

Aren't you cute, Big Jerry Lawler. Let's see you great matches.

RANDY ORTON VS. HHH WWE NO MERCY OCT. 7,2007 BOTH MATCHES

Both matches? Those matches were crap compared his match at SummerSlam with Cena. Those were two terrible matches.

RANDY ORTON VS. KURT ANGLE WWE VENGEANCE JUNE 25,2006

This was a decent match. I'll give you that.

RANDY ORTON VS. HULK HOGAN WWE SUMMERSLAM AUG. 20.2006

Are you serious? That was terrible!!! Nothing more I can say then that.

RANDY ORTON VS. KURT ANGLE ECW ONE NIGHT STAND JUNE 11,2006

Decent, not as good as there matches prior.

RANDY ORTON BEAT YOUR BOY JOHN CENA AND HHH WWE WRESTLEMANIA MARCH 30,2008

Yeah that was such a great match. So good, no. It wasn't even the best match on the Card. It was a short match that wasn't that great, though I have the idea that your going to blame that on Cena...

I'M THE REAL JERRY LAWLER I STAY IN MEMPHIS

What the hell?