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Sure people hate winners, but they dont accuse them of cheating every second week.
Patriots Might Be Cheating Again
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Sure people hate winners, but they dont accuse them of cheating every second week.
The Cardinals were accused of hacking the Astros database.
The Spurs have been accused of turning off the AC during Game 1 of the 2014 NBA Finals.
You know why they were quiet? Because they don't have a dumbfuck commissioner who turns a simple fine into a the NFL's most annoying scandal.
NFL gets trounced by Brady. All of a sudden ESPN has a new article rehashing old Spygate material with the typical unnamed sources and what not. This is the same network that suspended then forced out their most popular personality for criticizing Goodell.
Raiders, Cowboys, Yankees, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs, etc. have all been accused of cheating during their runs.
Poop Master Flex
Mid-Card Championship Winner
No but it is fairly common for people to find any reason they can to downplay their greatness. The fact is every team does what they can to get a competitive edge, every team in the league has been caught doing underhanded things to get ahead. Jerry Rice is considered the greatest WR of all time, was voted by NFL as the greatest to ever play the game and he admitted that he used stick-um to get a competitive edge against his opponents. Numerous great QB's have been known to manipulate the ball in illegal means to get an edge, radio tampering is also something that has been done by numerous teams in the league, this shit is nothing new. People have been downplaying Brady's greatness and the Pats winning ways for years now, it's just this year they found some more ammunition regardless of how lame that ammunition is.
It doesn't make a lot of sense at the end of the day to downplay a teams success and using technicalities as evidence because that's how professional sports work, all teams do it and all teams have been CAUGHT doing it as well. The Pats won because they were the best team, Brady is just that damn good and quite frankly it would be best for people to realize this shit and just move on.
I didn't really see anything in there which suggests the NFL would falsely blame themselves for headset miscommunication, though admittedly I got bored of the article about a third of the way through.
And that has been my point. My point is that the NFL came out and said what happened last night was their fault. And, given what the judge did say about how the NFL treated Brady and the Patriots, I don't understand those who are saying the NFL is just covering up for the Patriots.
You should have kept reading the article, as I would say the article is more about the league, and particularly Goodell's, complicated relationship with the Patriots.
Who knows if what happened last night was done by the Patriots or just a coincidence. We'll never know, and it's really not looking into. That said, this type of thing has happened before at Gillette, and predictably. The ESPN article states teams would suddenly receive interference over their headsets on 3rd down plays at Gillette.
The fact of the matter is that as long as Belichick is on the sideline, if something fishy happens, eyebrows are going to be raised. And rightfully so, Belichick has cultivated a persona of mystery and has definitely and knowingly cheated in the past, so why shouldn't other coaches suspect him of foul play?
I understand suspecting the Patriots of not playing fair. I get that. What I don't get is why they still suspect the Patriots of foul play last night, when the NFL (who just got smacked down in court for their overly harsh punishment of Brady/Patriots) said it was their fault.
George Steele's Barber
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Because most of us trust the NFL less than we trust the Pats.
They've become Colonel Jessup. Doing what they can to protect their institution regardless of what is right.
So the Patriots are cheaters because someone doesn't believe the NFL when they say it was their fault?
I'm sorry, I feel like that's performing some serious mental gymnastics.
George Steele's Barber
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No, the Patriots are cheaters because of the things that had come out well before this incident.
The Patriots are not exonerated as having cheated last night because the NFL says it was their fault.
Considering the NFL helped sweep Spygate under the rug with the Patriots, the NFL aiding and abetting the Patriots do some questionable stuff isn't unheard of.
The suspicious part of my brain thinks that maybe the NFL accepting responsibility for the problems with the headset is their way of saying, "We've accused the Patriots of enough wrongdoing, let's throw them a bone here since it's really not that big of a deal and there's really no way anyone can prove any foul play if there even is any foul play."
That said, I don't really care if the Patriots were responsible for the headset snafu or not. It's not a big deal, and even if they are responsible, there's no way to prove it.
BaconBits
WZ Czar of Steaks
I guess you missed that whole Cardinals hacking into the Astros email system thing earlier this year?
Also, radio communications wouldn't have helped the Steelers last night. They're just a bad football team.
Yeah. Radios had nothing to do with a missed advantage on the one yard line and two missed field goal kicks.
Maybe the Patriots shifted the wind and caused the ball not to go through the goalposts or something.
I can understand the point people are making about the NFL here.
They were tough enough on the Patriots in the spygate deal. Some people feel like they were extra tough on them in the deflategae deal to make up for that. Believe that if you want or not. So could they take blame for the radios last night to make up for how harsh they were in the deflategate thing? I don't know man. Maybe?
There's a bigger issue here and it has nothing to do with cheating. Well some of it does.
All the suspensions that get overturned or lessened. Ray Rice, Adrien Peterson, that dude from the Cowboys who went from 10 games to 4 and is now trying to get those four stricken, Brady, the Saints players from the bounty deal.
There's this message being sent that the NFL can hand down punishment but there's a high chance that punishment isn't going to stand, so go out do whatever the fuck you please.
The NFLPA is VERY good at what they do.
Maybe the Patriots shifted the wind and caused the ball not to go through the goalposts or something.
I can understand the point people are making about the NFL here.
They were tough enough on the Patriots in the spygate deal. Some people feel like they were extra tough on them in the deflategae deal to make up for that. Believe that if you want or not. So could they take blame for the radios last night to make up for how harsh they were in the deflategate thing? I don't know man. Maybe?
There's a bigger issue here and it has nothing to do with cheating. Well some of it does.
All the suspensions that get overturned or lessened. Ray Rice, Adrien Peterson, that dude from the Cowboys who went from 10 games to 4 and is now trying to get those four stricken, Brady, the Saints players from the bounty deal.
There's this message being sent that the NFL can hand down punishment but there's a high chance that punishment isn't going to stand, so go out do whatever the fuck you please.
The NFLPA is VERY good at what they do.
Umm, no, we all know actually because it's not even a semi-disputable fact that the NFL handles all headset communications. So no, we actually know for a 100% fact that if anything was fucked up, it was the NFL's fault, and not the Patriots.
Another non-story in a long string of them for the Pats. Pretty sure if it fucking rained too much on the opponents side of the field as opposed to the home side people and teams would be bitching about how the Pats secretly control climate change.
Yawn, who cares, let's move the fuck on. Pats will continue to be great, and haters will continue to hate. End of this absolute non-story.
I mean in this incident.
They should be, given the NFL clearly was over zealous (and downright disgusting in some cases) in their handling of Deflategate.
At the end of the day, what's the old adage? Innocent until proven guilty. There's no evidence this was the fault of the Patriots, Belicheck claims they had issues as well (doesn't matter if you believe him or not) and the NFL said it was not the fault of the Patriots. That's all we have to go on.
God, I find myself agreeing with you.
I need a shower.
Shadowmancer
I am The Last Baron
There has been enough about the patriots under the current regime that Smoke = Fire. Whether Gillette Stadium has frequency jammers specifically to target opposition teams head sets is the domain of theorists.
Yeah it really would be unfortunate if Gillette Stadium has frequency hammers employed by the Patriots organization to mess with the headsets of the opposition. Because if the Steelers had properly functioning electronics, they would have been able to communicate better with the sidelines, telling them to COVER GRONKOWSKI!!! I mean, perhaps that had something to do with the outcome of this game. But due to those jammers, they were unable to do so, resulting in the loss for Pittsburgh
And for the record, smoke does not always equal fire. But it certainly does if you wish to believe it.
George Steele's Barber
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The NFL and Patriots have lost my faith and trust. Defend them all you want with "innocent until....", "where is your evidence?" and "they still would have won...", too much has gone on for me to easily believe or dismiss.
Does anyone have great faith in the season Arod is having?
Does anyone have great faith in the season Arod is having?
Non-Americans aren't allowed to talk about football damnit.
Savior of Silence
Occasional Pre-Show
I'm a Jet fan and even I don't blame the Patriots for the headset thing. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? The people that automatically blame the Pats, even after the NFL came out and said it was their fault, are the same people that are so easily offended by everything they see or hear.
