Packers Not Releasing Favre

[justinsayne]

GREEN BAY, Wisconsin -- The Green Bay Packers have said no to Brett Favre.

General manager Ted Thompson said Saturday that the team will not honour Favre's request for a release, another indication that the relationship between the parties is growing further strained.

The Packers did say that the former quarterback could rejoin the team as a backup to Aaron Rodgers. However, Favre had asked for a release, which would give him the opportunity to sign with another team if he decides to come out of retirement.

"Favre's welcomed back, but the scenery has changed," Thompson said. "There may be a different role. He becomes an active member of the roster, and then we'll see how it goes from there. We don't have the answers right now, because it hasn't happened, and we don't know that it will."

Favre's request came three days after a conference call with team officials in which the future Hall of Fame quarterback emphatically expressed his desire to play in 2008. On March 5, he announced he retirement during a tear-filled press conference.

"We understand this is a very volatile, sensitive thing," Thompson added. "Fans are unbelievably passionate about this team and passionate about Brett Favre. We understand that, and we're going to try to stay steady, consistent, and try to do the right thing for Brett Favre and the Green Bay Packers."

The Packers issued a statement Friday afternoon acknowledging Favre's wishes, but ESPN.com reported that they were not receptive about his possible return to the team and wanted "to move forward", which prompted Favre's request for a release.

"Brett earned and exercised the right to retire on his terms," the statement read. "We wanted him to return and welcomed him back on more than one occasion.

"Brett's press conference and subsequent conversations in the following weeks illustrated his commitment to retirement. The finality of his decision to retire was accepted by the organization. At that point, the Green Bay Packers made the commitment to move forward with our football team."

During Tuesday's conference call, the 38-year-old Favre also said he felt pressured by the team and never was 100% when he decided to retire in March.

Currently on the reserve-retired list, Favre has three years remaining on his contract for a total of US$39-million.

If Favre was to write Commissioner Roger Goodell a letter to request his reinstatement to the Packers' active 80-man roster, the team would have to comply or release him, according to league policy.

Favre has been in communication with coach Mike McCarthy during the offseason but had not spoken to Thompson until this week.

Favre spent 16 of his 17 seasons with the Packers, becoming one of the most beloved players in franchise history. He is the NFL's all-time leader in touchdowns (442), completions (5,377), attempts (8,758), yards (61,555) and wins (160).

This makes me very happy, as I have been pissed off over those whole fucking bullshit since last night when the rumors of Favre returning were officially announced to be true, that after four months of retirement Favre decided he wanted to comeback and wanted to be released, personally since all this has happen I as a a Packer fan have lost more and more respect for Favre, I feel what he is doing is disrespectful to the franchise that made him what he is today, and given him everything he has, he is also tarnishing his whole legacy with this stupid stunt, personally I feel that if he wasn't ready to retire then he shouldn't have called a press conference and announced his retirement this past March, instead he should've done what he has in seasons past, and wait until he was 100% sure of what he wanted to do before making his decision, he announced he was retiring and Green Bay did as the y should, they moved forward giving the starting QB spot to Aaron Rodgers, who IMO has handled all of this very well, but now Favre decides "Ummm I changed my mind, I wanna come back", that's just fucked up, he has put the Packers in a no win situation where no matter what they do they are gonna look like the bad guy in all this, personally I think Green Bay has made the right decision in not granting Favre his release, after all what goes around comes around, maybe it's time the dude learn the football world doesn't revolve around him

 

[Frank the Frowner]

I'm in 100% agreeance with you.

A lot of people had felt that Favre was on his last legs until he improbably put up some great stats and had some great games throughout last season. He took a Packers team that wasn't even expected to win their division at the beginning of the season, and took them one game away from the Super Bowl. During last season when Favre got hurt, Rodgers showed signs that he's ready to be an NFL starting quarterback. Even though one could have said that Favre's career ended with that interception against the Giants, another could say that he did a big part to set the foundation that is in place... and that the torch could be passed to Rodgers.

When he retired, it made major news all over the place. All sorts of coverage was given to his announcement and his career. I didn't believe for a second he would remain retired, and to nobody's surprise, he's stated he wanted to come back, unfairly putting the Packers (who should be looking to the future) and Aaron Rodgers in a tough position. I'm glad and surprised the Packers have stuck to their guns, by not granting Favre his release, and saying he's more than welcome to a backup spot. Of course the Vikings would love to have him over their grab bag of mediocre quarterbacks. It also shows how much loyalty Favre has to the state that's been so loyal to him. You know that if the Packers did grant Favre his release, the Vikings would have a press conference later on this week announcing his signing. Minnesota is his most logical destination, where all the pieces, except quarterback, are set in place. They have quite possibly, the best running back in the NFL, a great offensive line, and a WR corps that has been boosted by the signing of Bernard Berrian. They easily have the best defensive line, and a pretty good defense overall.

I really hope that wherever he winds up playing, he has his worst year ever. This whole fiasco is incredibly selfish on his part.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

I agree that it is bullshit. Why turn your back on a team that has made you and molded you into the superstar that you have become. Favre is way too fucking high on himself. I was surprised by the season that he had last year. Hopefully the Packers will make him sit the bench, and make him realize he is not the be all end all.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Personally, I'm glad they won't release him just because I don't wanna see him end up in Carolina and some massive rumors were starting to pile up that if it wasn't gonna be Minnesota or Tampa Bay, Carolina would be a top named team on the list of potential teams. I don't give a rats ass about Favre's legacy, or how great the guy has been, or continues to possibly be. All he is anymore is a media circus, and thats what will cripple Green Bay this season.

In my opinion, Green Bay honestly needs to think everything through. I'd consider trading him and trying to get some type of unheard of massive deal out of this. New England was insanely asking at one point for two first round draft picks for a Wide Receiver that wasn't worth a pair of 1st rounders. Favre on the other hand, would definately be worth a single 1st rounder, and possibly a lot more if they could get him to guarantee on returning not just for this season, but also the next. Thats the trick though. Favre hasn't had a single year go by within the previous, what now 3? In which hes had to "think" about retiring or not.

Now he finally does, only to suddenly change his mind? Honestly, that much doesn't shock me. For as much as Favre has always been in the spotlight, for as much as his entire Family has been brought into the media world regarding Football, and now reports are his Family wanted him to return because they knew how much he loved it. Fuck that, it has anything to do with money, or media attention. Guaranteed.

Anyways, I've mentioned before that I feel Green Bay has two likely choices. One, being trade him.. the other.. bench his ass. Aaron Rodgers has conducted himself in a good manner in the very slim amount of games his played in. Sure hes injury prone, but at least starting Rodgers will give you a great idea on how capable he truly is. And what'd be the point of allowing Brett to come back, no questions asked, no nothing held against him? And furthermore, why fucking just bend over and give him a starting position back? No.. screw that.. make him work for it, for once.

 

[justinsayne]

Personally, I'm glad they won't release him just because I don't wanna see him end up in Carolina and some massive rumors were starting to pile up that if it wasn't gonna be Minnesota or Tampa Bay, Carolina would be a top named team on the list of potential teams. I don't give a rats ass about Favre's legacy, or how great the guy has been, or continues to possibly be. All he is anymore is a media circus, and thats what will cripple Green Bay this season.

I've heard rumors for just about every team in the NFL, I've heard Minnesota would be the most likely place cause the only thing that team is really missing is a solid QB, other than that they have all the pieces in place to make a good run for the SB, but I've also heard Tampa was on the list, as well as Chicago, Carolina (which be a little ironic when you think about it, first Reggie White came out of retirement to play for Carolina and now Brett), Washington was another team I heard, as well as the NY Jets

In my opinion, Green Bay honestly needs to think everything through. I'd consider trading him and trying to get some type of unheard of massive deal out of this. New England was insanely asking at one point for two first round draft picks for a Wide Receiver that wasn't worth a pair of 1st rounders. Favre on the other hand, would definately be worth a single 1st rounder, and possibly a lot more if they could get him to guarantee on returning not just for this season, but also the next. Thats the trick though. Favre hasn't had a single year go by within the previous, what now 3? In which hes had to "think" about retiring or not.

See from what I've heard, it would be nearly impossible to trade Favre, due to the fact that he has 3 years, $39 million left on his contract, and with the salary cap there really aren't too many teams that would be able to make a deal for him, but then their are always those dumb shit teams that will give up a shit load for a guy like Brett, basically cause they see him as a big draw so who knows, in the end it sounds like GB isn't going to do shit with him other than tell him to sit his ass on the bench

Now he finally does, only to suddenly change his mind? Honestly, that much doesn't shock me. For as much as Favre has always been in the spotlight, for as much as his entire Family has been brought into the media world regarding Football, and now reports are his Family wanted him to return because they knew how much he loved it. Fuck that, it has anything to do with money, or media attention. Guaranteed.

Basically Favre has become the T.O. of QB, and this just pisses me off cause I 've been a Favre supported since I can remember, the only other QB I can think of that I ever gave as much of a crap about was Montana, and that was when I was a little kid and didn't even understand football, I just liked him cause my babysitter at the time was a Montana fan, but had sooo much respect for everything Favre has dome up until this shit, not only has he seemingly just taken a huge dump all over the Packer franchise, but when he asked for his release, he basicly pissed all over the Packer fans that watched and supported him through all his career (minus his short time in ATL of course)

Anyways, I've mentioned before that I feel Green Bay has two likely choices. One, being trade him.. the other.. bench his ass. Aaron Rodgers has conducted himself in a good manner in the very slim amount of games his played in. Sure hes injury prone, but at least starting Rodgers will give you a great idea on how capable he truly is. And what'd be the point of allowing Brett to come back, no questions asked, no nothing held against him? And furthermore, why fucking just bend over and give him a starting position back? No.. screw that.. make him work for it, for once.

As I said before it sounds like they've made their decision, and they're going with the bench his ass option, Rodgers has sat pationetally and earned his time as the starter, and has conducted himself vary well not only in the limited games he's played, but also in every interview he's had this off season as well, for example...

ESPN Sunday Conversation
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[TheOneBigWill]

I've heard rumors for just about every team in the NFL, I've heard Minnesota would be the most likely place cause the only thing that team is really missing is a solid QB, other than that they have all the pieces in place to make a good run for the SB, but I've also heard Tampa was on the list, as well as Chicago, Carolina (which be a little ironic when you think about it, first Reggie White came out of retirement to play for Carolina and now Brett), Washington was another team I heard, as well as the NY Jets

Minnesota is the very most logical choice. As you said, they have almost every single piece of the so-called "puzzle" to make a run not just for the playoffs, but the Superbowl as well, they just need need that final piece which is ironically the biggest one. The QB position.

Actually, they wouldn't be hurting to add a little more depth at WR, but with a QB like Favre you wouldn't actually need star WRs as a guy like Favre creates star WRs.

I've heard Washington, Chicago and Tampa Bay.. but the Jets are somewhat of a new one to me. I wouldn't be surprised to suddenly hear the Ravens jump in on the chance as well.

Finally, the rumors that I've heard about Favre in Carolina were because its closer to his home, and because of a couple other reasons that I just don't get.. such as his Family likes something in Carolina. The most hilarious thing though is our GM was like "We already have a #4 on our team, we don't need another one". The reason that cracked me up is because our #4 is John Kasey.. the KICKER!

See from what I've heard, it would be nearly impossible to trade Favre, due to the fact that he has 3 years, $39 million left on his contract, and with the salary cap there really aren't too many teams that would be able to make a deal for him, but then their are always those dumb shit teams that will give up a shit load for a guy like Brett, basically cause they see him as a big draw so who knows, in the end it sounds like GB isn't going to do shit with him other than tell him to sit his ass on the bench

The Raiders. Definately the Raiders, I could see them just tossing away endless amounts of money at Favre merely to get even more media attention. But I doubt they'd be capable of finding the cap room with all the outrageous money they've given out at random to others.

Basically Favre has become the T.O. of QB, and this just pisses me off cause I 've been a Favre supported since I can remember, the only other QB I can think of that I ever gave as much of a crap about was Montana, and that was when I was a little kid and didn't even understand football, I just liked him cause my babysitter at the time was a Montana fan, but had sooo much respect for everything Favre has dome up until this shit, not only has he seemingly just taken a huge dump all over the Packer franchise, but when he asked for his release, he basicly pissed all over the Packer fans that watched and supported him through all his career (minus his short time in ATL of course)

Like I said before, it doesn't shock me that he suddenly wants to return. I have respect for everything the man has done for the game.. but if you truly look at Favre and everything hes been deeply involved with, hes a media hog. Hes always in some type of story and he likes to be. I don't blame him for that, but for him to say thats not the case is a bold-faced lie.

He creates a media circus everywhere he goes. I mean shit, the guy retired and since learning that he would.. everyone started a "Favre Watch" to see exactly when he'd come out of retirement. Suddenly, when the Football world begins to quiet.. BAM.. "I want back in." And here.. we.. go.. again.

As I said before it sounds like they've made their decision, and they're going with the bench his ass option, Rodgers has sat pationetally and earned his time as the starter, and has conducted himself vary well not only in the limited games he's played, but also in every interview he's had this off season as well, for example...

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I can't help but love this interview alone. It speaks a ton not just on WHO Brett Favre the "person" truly is.. but also what Aaron Rodgers could truly think of him and the whole situation. I'll give you a couple examples.

Q: After Favre's retirement, what'd Favre tell you?
A: Not much. (interviewer's reply)- He didn't call you after he retired? (Rodgers' reply)- I didn't expect him too.

Of course not. Why would Favre give a shit about his back-up? Favre cares only about HIS career, not the career of his replacement. And if you look at Rodgers facial reactions, Aaron doesn't give a shit that Favre didn't talk to him. By the looks of it, Aaron is happy he didn't have a better, closer relationship to Favre most likely in my opinion because that way he wouldn't have to feel sorry for taking his spot.

And lets not overlook the huge smirk/smile Rodgers gave when saying "I'm sure I'll see him opening night." (almost as if to say.. Its my team now, bitch, sit your old ass on that bench over there.)

Q:How do you follow in his footsteps?
A: I just gotta be me, I'm not Brett, I'm never gonna be Brett.

If I'm Rodgers, this question even asked for the first time would be old and something I'd hate hearing repeated time and time again. This alone makes Rodgers a great person for putting up with not downright bitching each time hes asked.

I do love how he added the whole Steve Young/Joe Montana perspective almost slapping Brett in the face saying he'll never be like them either, so noone is gonna be someone else.

Q: When the Packers drafted Brohm, there was talk of a controversy, true?
A: False, I think.

You can see in his eyes he wants to kill the bitch. lol

Hes been the back-up since joining and has all the talent and skill needed from watching and learning everything he could from one of the greats. The last thing he suddenly needs is challenged, when he should have every right in the world to be the starter and to lose the spot by failing.. not losing it by having to once again fight for it.

I did love how he confidently said "They needed to bring in a guy to back me up." Seems to me hes picked up a bit of Favre's cockiness after all. lol

 

[A.J.]

See I look at this way and that is The Packers cannot have Favre sit his ass on the bench. First thing is if Favre does file with the commissioner that he is ready to un-retire the Packers will have to dump players as they planned their offseason and draft aground not having Favre. Second, having Favre on the bench will not be good for Rodgers especially if he gets off to a bad start and you know the fans and the media will let Rodgers and the Pack have it for letting the future hall of framer Favre ride the bench. Third, Favre gives the Packers their best chance to win now. Sure Rodgers could surpirse us all, but in the NFL today window of opportunity to win is oh so short.

I knew he wouldn't stay retired, and if he wants to come back then let him. But the Packers better think everything out as if you want to trade him then do it. They wanna release him, then do it and live with it. If they want him to play, then let him play but you have to let go of Rodgers as he cannot stay with the Packers.

 

[justinsayne]

See I look at this way and that is The Packers cannot have Favre sit his ass on the bench. First thing is if Favre does file with the commissioner that he is ready to un-retire the Packers will have to dump players as they planned their offseason and draft aground not having Favre.

Yes, but Green Bay really didn't do a whole lot in the off season, so they really wouldn't have to give up much

Second, having Favre on the bench will not be good for Rodgers especially if he gets off to a bad start and you know the fans and the media will let Rodgers and the Pack have it for letting the future hall of framer Favre ride the bench.

No matter what Green Bay does the fans and media are gonna murder them Favre just put Green Bay in the shittiest spot he could, a lose lose situation

Third, Favre gives the Packers their best chance to win now. Sure Rodgers could surpirse us all, but in the NFL today window of opportunity to win is oh so short.

Rodgers is on the tail end of his current contract, if they gave the spot back to Favre without giving Rodgers the chance they promised him, it could seriously strain their relationship with him, and they risk losing their QB of the future, for a guy who is never sure of what he wants to do in the off season, and is at the end of his career, and someday has to realize it for himself

I knew he wouldn't stay retired, and if he wants to come back then let him. But the Packers better think everything out as if you want to trade him then do it. They wanna release him, then do it and live with it. If they want him to play, then let him play but you have to let go of Rodgers as he cannot stay with the Packers.

I think GB has made their decision, sounds like they basically said, "sure Favre, you can come back, but your gonna be the back-up, cause we are committed to moving forward whether you like it or not"

 

[TheOneBigWill]

MILWAUKEE -- Brett Favre finally is speaking for himself: He wants to play but doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay, so he's asking to be released.

The quarterback's first substantial comments on his latest retirement decision reversal come in an interview with Fox News on "On the Record with Greta Van Susteren."

"OK, you guys have a different path, fine," Favre said, recalling a June 20 conversation with Packers coach Mike McCarthy. "What does that mean for me? So that means either you give me my helmet, welcome back, or release me, or attempt to trade me. We all know that's a possibility, but way-out-there possibility.

"And he says, 'Well, playing here is not an option, but we can't envision you playing with another team, you know, either.' And I thought, so basically, I'm not playing for anyone if I choose to come back."

According to Van Susteren, who spoke to the AP by telephone Monday afternoon, Favre said he was "never fully committed" to retiring and felt pressured by the Packers to make a decision, a notion Packers general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy tried to dispel in an interview with the AP on Saturday.

"Ted always wanted Brett back," McCarthy said. "We always wanted Brett back."

The team had no immediate reaction to Favre's interview Monday.

"We currently have nothing to add on this matter," a team spokesman said.

Favre told Fox he understands that the Packers want to move on -- but if they're doing so, they should let him go.

"Them moving on does not bother me," Favre said. "It doesn't. I totally understand that. By me retiring March 3, I knew that could possibly happen. All I was saying is, you know, I'm thinking about playing again."

Favre said he has thought about the ramifications of playing for another team, moving to another city, and angering some Packers fans.

"You know, the bottom line is, I may not play anywhere," Favre said. "But we have thought of all those things. We have thought about it."

Van Susteren -- who is from Appleton, Wis., is a Packers shareholder and previously had interviewed Favre and his wife, Deanna -- said Favre made it clear he would not return to the Packers if he wasn't the starter. And while Favre said the Packers asked him for a list of teams to which he would accept a trade, he wants to be released to make sure he ends up on a competitive club.

Thompson said the team wasn't going to release Favre, but he could come back in a "different role than he was" because the team is committed to going forward with Aaron Rodgers.

"You're telling me playing there is not an option, but playing elsewhere, we just can't -- we're trying to protect your legacy," Favre said. "Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But apparently now, they're trying to protect my legacy by bringing me back and having me be a backup. Boy, that is really good."

Thompson and McCarthy wouldn't discuss the possibility of trading Favre and said they hadn't received any trade inquiries as of Saturday.

Thompson and McCarthy gave AP a detailed description of their dealings with Favre throughout the offseason, including an episode a few weeks after Favre's retirement where the two were prepared to fly to Mississippi to seal the deal on a Favre comeback -- only to have the quarterback change his mind again.

In the interview, Favre said the Packers were being dishonest, although he did not point out specific examples in the portion of the interview aired Monday. A second segment is scheduled to air Tuesday.

"If you move on, you tell me one thing, don't come back and tell the public ... just say it, 'You know, we've moved on and we'll work with Brett on whatever it is,'" Favre said. "Don't make up a lot of stuff or give half of the truth."

McCarthy and Thompson also expressed concern Saturday that Favre spent most of the offseason questioning whether he still had the commitment to play football. But Favre told Fox News it wasn't going to be an issue.

"If I'm going to play it's going to be 100 percent commitment," Favre said.

Favre's interview -- which was receiving top billing over an interview with presidential candidate John McCain in promos for Van Susteren's show that aired during the day Monday -- is the latest development in what is looking more and more like an irreparable schism between one of the NFL's most storied franchises and perhaps its most beloved quarterback.

Thompson called the situation "gut-wrenching" Saturday.

"I mean, it hurts," he said. "I'm not talking about physically hurting, but the sensitivity. We understand where the fans are coming from. This is a hot-button issue that surpasses anything I've ever gone through."

This was taken off the nfl.com website.

Does anyone else see this as turning into a war of words through the media? I mean, this is more or less confirming everything I've always ever thought about Brett Favre. The guy is strung up on wanting nothing but attention, every second of every day. He can't just walk away into the sunset (so to speak) and its natural that someone as great as he is, wouldn't want to, or rather couldn't just instantly give it up.

But at the same time, even in his interview, his first interview on the subject.. hes delivered a low blow of sorts to Green Bay. He point blank said "I don't feel welcome in Green Bay, its like they don't want me there. So thats telling me, playing here isn't an option, but we can't see you playing anywhere else, either."

Of course Green Bay doesn't want to see him go and play for any of their rival N.F.C. North division rivals, because (especially Minnesota) some of them are only being stopped short of the post-season and a Superbowl run, because they don't have a QB who can lead them there. Brett was the guy who signed the contract to remain with Green Bay for as long as it was written up.

He then in turn blames retiring early as being pushed into making a quick decision on Green Bay's fault. How childish is that? He didn't even take ANY blame on the subject.. and instantly said more or less "I wouldn't of did it, had I of been given more time to think about it." Well you know its funny, an entire fucking Franchise Football team can't sit and wait the entire off-season, and not make decisions on its future.. for some star QB who's pushing the bar on age.. to make up his fucking mind on coming back for ONE MORE YEAR.

Its always been "One more year" for three plus years now. So how can Favre blame them, for doing whats in THEIR team's best interest? Of course they'd hold him and sit him. Why? Because A.) They need to see if their Future QB can become their future STAR QB. B.) They damn sure don't wanna release their current franchise mega-star QB, and risk him going to a division rival, to fuck them even worse. Which he would in a heartbeat in my opinion after reading this interview.

My opinion, Favre will end up with a trade to some team not in the division, or he'll get his wish and be cut in the end. Why? Because I don't think Green Bay can play the kid-games Favre will lower himself to, through the media. He'll turn himself into another version of T.O. in Philly. He'll make himself such a scene, that noone will be capable of focusing on anything else..

Favre 4-ever is making me sick 4-life.

 

[BooCocky]

Favre really pisses me off, he's a freaking drama queen. He makes the decision to retire then he second guesses himself. Is that a mind set you want going into training camp? I wouldn't. I want Aaron Rodgers to be my QB. He's more than ready and all this drama is going to hold him back. Favre is really holding the Packers organization down. He is putting them in a tough situation, and they shouldnt release him, let him suffer with the decision they made and the decision Favre made several months back.

 

[justinsayne]

Favre really pisses me off, he's a freaking drama queen. He makes the decision to retire then he second guesses himself. Is that a mind set you want going into training camp? I wouldn't. I want Aaron Rodgers to be my QB. He's more than ready and all this drama is going to hold him back. Favre is really holding the Packers organization down. He is putting them in a tough situation, and they shouldnt release him, let him suffer with the decision they made and the decision Favre made several months back.

That pretty much says it all, I just wish there were more intelligent fans out there that understood what Favre is doing is just straight up bullshit, I stubbled onto another forum filled with idiot Favre fanatics, calling for Ted Thompsons to be fired, yeah that's right they want the guy who put all the talent that allowed Favre to have 13-3 season to be fired, they continue onto threaten to "turn their backs on the Pack if they don't give Favre what they want", people claiming the Pack will never win a SB without Favre (despite the fact that they've won more SB without Favre than with him, LOL), and that the ones that are stockholders are going to the next meeting and demanding they make Favre starter, cause appearently being a stockholder gives you the power to make coaching decision now too, LOL, seriously these are the most piss poor excuse for fans, they're not even true Packer fans just patheic Favre fanatics that don't even understand everything that's going on, they just blindly support their hero

I say FUCK BRETT FAVRE!!!

Not everyone can have the storybook end to their career that Elway had, time Brett just accept that

 

[Slyfox696]

I think it's funny how people criticize Brett Favre, when the Green Bay Packers are the ones being assholes about this. Brett Favre isn't being demanding. He understands the Packers want to move on with Aaron Rodgers, and has no problem with that. But, Brett Favre wants to play football, and the Packers have already told him that he has ZERO chance of competing for a starting spot. What the hell is that nonsense?

The Packers are holding Brett Favre hostage, for no better reason than they can. Here is a man that stuck with Green Bay for nearly 2 decades, through the good times and the bad, who dedicated his career to the team, and this is how they repay him? It's bullshit. It's one thing to not play him, it's one thing to not let him go somewhere else, but how in the hell is not giving him a chance to play fair? Especially to the guy who did so much for the team?

Hey Pack, 1996 ring any bells? You know, your first Superbowl win since SB 2? How about 2004 and 2005 when the Packers were literally hiring WR days before a game, and expecting Favre to throw the ball to him. Did he complain then? No, he just did everything he could to win the game.

The way Green Bay is treating Favre is absolute bullshit, and I hope Favre doesn't come back, and the Packers win 2 games. Because they deserve it for not giving the greatest player in franchise history a chance to play football, especially after he just led them to a 13-3 year with an MVP caliber season.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I think it's funny how people criticize Brett Favre, when the Green Bay Packers are the ones being assholes about this. Brett Favre isn't being demanding. He understands the Packers want to move on with Aaron Rodgers, and has no problem with that. But, Brett Favre wants to play football, and the Packers have already told him that he has ZERO chance of competing for a starting spot. What the hell is that nonsense?

Okay, first.. how can you say Brett Favre isn't acting like an immature little child? He went public with all of this once the story broke and literally threw the Franchise "under the bus" saying he was more or less "pushed" into making a rash decision regarding retiring. He blames them for his "error in judgment" and doesn't accept that any of it was his fault.

Second, he doesn't understand at all. He said in an interview he kinda, a little, slightly, barely feels sorry for Aaron Rodgers during this time. He said its nothing personal against him. But you know what, IT IS PERSONAL AGAINST HIM because its Aaron Rodgers team now! Favre suddenly realized the spotlight isn't on him any longer. He suddenly realized the fans in Green Bay aren't crying as much as he likely felt they would.

So he wants to come back. Hey, good, great.. but why should he be allowed to instantly reclaim his spot? Rodgers is coming up for renewal in his contract, if I do recall from what Justin said. Why on earth would Green Bay want to resign Rodgers when they haven't fully been capable of seeing if hes going to be their star for the future?

So what if Brett is a Hall of Fame QB, that doesn't give him every right to just come and go as he pleases. Favre's biggest issue is not understanding that the Green Bay Packers are a team.. a team that needs to make decisions based for the overall well being of their future.. not the overall well being of Brett Favre.

The Packers are holding Brett Favre hostage, for no better reason than they can. Here is a man that stuck with Green Bay for nearly 2 decades, through the good times and the bad, who dedicated his career to the team, and this is how they repay him? It's bullshit. It's one thing to not play him, it's one thing to not let him go somewhere else, but how in the hell is not giving him a chance to play fair? Especially to the guy who did so much for the team?

They said he can comeback as a Back-Up. They don't need a Starter, they have Aaron Rodgers and thats who they're going with. Brett, however, is still under contract. And why wouldn't you wanna keep talent that great as a back-up if need be? Furthermore, why would you be stupid enough to release talent that great, if its there for you to use if you wanted to.. so you open up the risk of him playing AGAINST your team?

Now I could really care less if Green Bay cuts him, keeps him, trades him, or he just redecides to stay retired. I don't care. But I understand the logic in Green Bay saying "Hey, you made the decision to leave us, but you're still under contract too. If you wanna come back, theres a bench, ride it until we call your number."

If I'm G.B. I'm damn sure not giving him a free release for nothing, so he can turn around and sign with Minnesota who is missing ONLY a Franchise star QB.. and risking my Football club a divisional, playoff, or Superbowl victory.

Also, you said he stuck with them through the good and the bad. They didn't force him to. They might of pleaded with him to, but it was his decision to stay. It was his idea to sign a contract that went longer than he wanted to go for Green Bay.

Brett Favre is the Chad Johnson of QB's. Hes causing a scene, just to get noticed, because the guy fucking loves the spotlight. He might love to play, but I promise you getting hit as you get older isn't why hes coming back. Its the money, (which I would too) and its the media attention. (which I would too)

Hey Pack, 1996 ring any bells? You know, your first Superbowl win since SB 2? How about 2004 and 2005 when the Packers were literally hiring WR days before a game, and expecting Favre to throw the ball to him. Did he complain then? No, he just did everything he could to win the game.

I don't really want to throw this at you.. (and I'm in NO WAY comparing Favre with any of them) but Chris Weinke played in Carolina, for a 1-15 season and did all he could to win a game as well. Rodney Peete tried. Vintage came off the couch last year because Carolina needed a QB. None of those guys, dispite losses, dispite anything.. bitched or moaned. So why should Favre be awarded anything special because he did what he was SUPPOSE TO?!

Last time I checked, regardless of what team you play for, who your teammates are, or what position you play.. your job, is to do the best YOU can do. Why don't you go to the Dolphins and ask them why their QB isn't complaining about having star WR talent to throw too.. or why their WRs aren't complaining about having a star QB to throw to them.

Because only Favre brings immature, cry-baby like shit such as that up. Or rather, Favre-fanatics.. as Justin called them.

The way Green Bay is treating Favre is absolute bullshit, and I hope Favre doesn't come back, and the Packers win 2 games.

Hey, I agree that Green Bay is playing a "low card" in not attempting to do anything with Favre other than bench him. But what you should be asking is.. would any of this be going on right now, had Favre never retired in the first place?

No, the answer is no. Favre WOULD be their starter. He WOULD be the guy under center. But HE left them. They didn't leave him. So just because the guy got the "itch" again, he suddenly deserves to just get everything rehanded to him, because hes Brett fucking Favre? No, I don't think so.

Because they deserve it for not giving the greatest player in franchise history a chance to play football, especially after he just led them to a 13-3 year with an MVP caliber season.

I don't think you'll have to worry about how many games they will or won't win. As long as Favre is in or around Green Bay, so will the media. It'll be such a circus that they won't be capable of concentrating.

There were reports that indicated that Green Bay would almost likely HAVE TO either release or trade Favre, because they couldn't or rather wouldn't want to pay him some odd 12 million to sit on a bench, or stand with a clipboard.

I would say trading him is the best bet. Unfortunately, all trade rumors lead to Tampa Bay which pisses ME off, being a Carolina fan.

Finally, if I'm Green Bay and a trade was my only option, then of course I'd wanna get all I could. Favre, Hall of Fame QB.. one more year or not.. hes worth no less than a 1st, 3rd & 5th round draft pick.. combined. If not even more. Look at it this way, Favre's lucky New England wasn't holding his contract.. because they'd be looking for two 1st rounders.

 

[BooCocky]

Favre is still worth something, he can be traded and some teams will give up something for him, like Minnesota. So why release someone when you can get picks or players? It doesnt make sense. IMO holding onto Favre is the best thing they could do. If he is really that interested in returning and teams are really that interested in acquiring him sooner or later someone is going to offer a trade, then possibly another team will counter offer, then GB might receive a lot for a Qb who might play 1 or two more seasons. It makes perfect sense IMO.

 

[Slyfox696]

Okay, first.. how can you say Brett Favre isn't acting like an immature little child? He went public with all of this once the story broke and literally threw the Franchise "under the bus" saying he was more or less "pushed" into making a rash decision regarding retiring. He blames them for his "error in judgment" and doesn't accept that any of it was his fault.

Oh, I don't know, maybe because the Packers DID push him to make a decision, and DID try to convince him to retire?

Second, he doesn't understand at all. He said in an interview he kinda, a little, slightly, barely feels sorry for Aaron Rodgers during this time. He said its nothing personal against him. But you know what, IT IS PERSONAL AGAINST HIM because its Aaron Rodgers team now! Favre suddenly realized the spotlight isn't on him any longer. He suddenly realized the fans in Green Bay aren't crying as much as he likely felt they would.

Umm, that makes no sense. It's only Aaron Rodger's team because Favre retired. Which, he was being pushed to do by team management, despite having a 13-3 record with an unproven team, and having an MVP caliber season. Brett Favre, the face of the Packers, winner of Superbowl, many times MVP, 13-3 record, loyal to the team for nearly 20 years, is getting pushed aside after an MVP caliber year, 13-3 record, and a trip to the NFC finals, for an unproven quarterback drafted late in the first round years ago, who has always had major questions about his ability to perform.

Just how exactly are you blaming Brett here? And, it's not like Brett is even asking to start for the Packers, he's asking to be allowed to go somewhere else.

So he wants to come back. Hey, good, great.. but why should he be allowed to instantly reclaim his spot? Rodgers is coming up for renewal in his contract, if I do recall from what Justin said. Why on earth would Green Bay want to resign Rodgers when they haven't fully been capable of seeing if hes going to be their star for the future?

Why shouldn't he have the opportunity to claim his spot? I don't have a problem with going into camp with a Quarterback battle for the starting spot. But, the Packers aren't allowing him to do that. They told him he has no chance to start, which makes zero sense to do to the man who has been loyal for 20 years, and is still one of the best QBs in the league. He shouldn't instantly get his spot back, but he should at least be able to compete for it.

So what if Brett is a Hall of Fame QB, that doesn't give him every right to just come and go as he pleases. Favre's biggest issue is not understanding that the Green Bay Packers are a team.. a team that needs to make decisions based for the overall well being of their future.. not the overall well being of Brett Favre.

And, he's not saying he either starts or doesn't play, he's asking to be released to go somewhere else. Favre is being more than accommodating on this one. If Rodgers is as good as the Packers want him to be, then it shouldn't matter where Brett goes.

They said he can comeback as a Back-Up. They don't need a Starter, they have Aaron Rodgers and thats who they're going with. Brett, however, is still under contract. And why wouldn't you wanna keep talent that great as a back-up if need be? Furthermore, why would you be stupid enough to release talent that great, if its there for you to use if you wanted to.. so you open up the risk of him playing AGAINST your team?

Again, if Rodgers is better than Favre, it shouldn't matter if you play against Favre. And if Favre is good enough to beat Rodgers with another team, then he should be your starter.

The man play for nearly 20 years in Green Bay and gave the Packers everything he had, and more. He started EVERY game for YEARS, always played at the highest level he was capable of given the talent around him, and single-handedly is responsible for the fact that the Packers are always a dangerous team to play. Don't you think that kind of loyalty should be respected?

Now I could really care less if Green Bay cuts him, keeps him, trades him, or he just redecides to stay retired. I don't care. But I understand the logic in Green Bay saying "Hey, you made the decision to leave us, but you're still under contract too. If you wanna come back, theres a bench, ride it until we call your number."

And I understand Brett's logic in saying "Hey, I gave 15-20 years of my life to make you guys wealthy and successful. I gave 15-20 years of my life to make you guys relevant again in football. The least you can do is give me the opportunity to play, either here in Green Bay or somewhere else".

To me, that makes a lot more sense.

If I'm G.B. I'm damn sure not giving him a free release for nothing, so he can turn around and sign with Minnesota who is missing ONLY a Franchise star QB.. and risking my Football club a divisional, playoff, or Superbowl victory.

If he's that good, why doesn't he get the chance to play for the Packers?

Also, you said he stuck with them through the good and the bad. They didn't force him to. They might of pleaded with him to, but it was his decision to stay. It was his idea to sign a contract that went longer than he wanted to go for Green Bay.

Exactly. He was loyal to them, and stuck with them through the bad times to get to the good. That kind of loyalty should be respected.

Brett Favre is the Chad Johnson of QB's. Hes causing a scene, just to get noticed, because the guy fucking loves the spotlight. He might love to play, but I promise you getting hit as you get older isn't why hes coming back. Its the money, (which I would too) and its the media attention. (which I would too)

Please. What a ridiculous statement. If you had ever followed Brett's career, you would understand that media attention is the least of his worries. Brett's a competitor with an incredible love for football. That's been said about him from Day 1. So, now, all of a sudden, he doesn't want to play for competition and love for football? That's ridiculous. Brett is coming back because he longs for it.

Anyone who has ever immersed themselves in a sport should understand that feeling. Anyone who has had competitive drive for a sport understands that feeling. Take Michael Jordan for example. Did he do it for media and money? Or did he do it because his passion for the game and competitive nature was too strong to resist? Of course it's the latter. And the same goes for Brett now.

I don't really want to throw this at you.. (and I'm in NO WAY comparing Favre with any of them) but Chris Weinke played in Carolina, for a 1-15 season and did all he could to win a game as well. Rodney Peete tried. Vintage came off the couch last year because Carolina needed a QB. None of those guys, dispite losses, dispite anything.. bitched or moaned. So why should Favre be awarded anything special because he did what he was SUPPOSE TO?!

Last time I checked, regardless of what team you play for, who your teammates are, or what position you play.. your job, is to do the best YOU can do. Why don't you go to the Dolphins and ask them why their QB isn't complaining about having star WR talent to throw too.. or why their WRs aren't complaining about having a star QB to throw to them.

You know what the difference is between Chris Weinke, Rodney Pete, etc. is? Winning and respect.

If Chris Weinke goes to the media and says "Our team sucks and I blame the GM", people laugh in his face, because he has no basis for saying it. If Brett Favre goes to the media and says "Out team sucks and I blame management" then suddenly media scrutiny is all over the Green Bay front office, analyzing their every move. The power Favre has to wield is so much greater than a Chris Weinke or a Rodney Peete.

But, what did Brett do? Not only did he not criticize the front office, he also took the blame on himself. When Green Bay was bad a few years ago, what did you always hear? Was it that Green Bay couldn't put a team around Favre? No, all you heard was that Favre had lost it, Favre needed to retire, that Brett Favre was the reason for the Packers lack of success. So, not only did he not go to the media to blame who should have been blamed, he also allowed misplaced blame to go on him. How do we know the blame was misplaced?

Well, you just look at his performance last season when he finally had a shred of talent around him.

Hey, I agree that Green Bay is playing a "low card" in not attempting to do anything with Favre other than bench him. But what you should be asking is.. would any of this be going on right now, had Favre never retired in the first place?

No, the answer is no. Favre WOULD be their starter. He WOULD be the guy under center. But HE left them. They didn't leave him. So just because the guy got the "itch" again, he suddenly deserves to just get everything rehanded to him, because hes Brett fucking Favre? No, I don't think so.

So then, ignoring for a moment that Brett was being pushed out the door to retire, just because Brett did retire, he shouldn't be allowed to come back and compete for a starting spot?

I'm sure that would have gone over real well in Chicago ten years ago. "Sorry Michael, you can come back, but you have to sit the bench behind B.J. Armstrong. Tough luck buddy. Thanks for those three NBA Championships". Yeah, I'm sure Bulls fans would have been real ecstatic about that concept.

I don't think you'll have to worry about how many games they will or won't win. As long as Favre is in or around Green Bay, so will the media. It'll be such a circus that they won't be capable of concentrating.

And Favre will be blamed for that too. Even though he's doing everything he can right now to avoid it.

So, I hope the Pack do go 1-15. And that's from a long time Packers fan.

There were reports that indicated that Green Bay would almost likely HAVE TO either release or trade Favre, because they couldn't or rather wouldn't want to pay him some odd 12 million to sit on a bench, or stand with a clipboard.

The Packers have over $30 million in cap space, and few holes to fill. That's not really a problem.

 

[RBH]

I was gonna stay out of this thread...until I saw usual non-sports poster Slyfox enter and I just knew I had to play the game (no pun intended towards u kno who).

First and foremost, I am a San Francisco 49ers fan and have no allegance towards Farve or Green Bay Packers. Second, I realize that Slyfox enjoys playing devil's advocate so now I am playing both sides and determining what is sound and arguable.

Lets start with who's immature? Brett Farve wins the cake here. The Packers have given Farve opportunity after opportunity to make his decision. hell, most were expecting Farve to come back so if you guys remember, the retirement came out of nowhere seemingly whereas last year and the year before he was expected to retire. The Packers were not trying to convince Farve to retire, they were trying to convince him to make a decison. Farve is not a child, he is a man. Talk it over with the wife, make dceision. Should take a week or two not four freaking months.

Second, it was Farve'e team. Once he retires, he loses the ability to call it his team. Compare this with Montana-Young. Montana got hurt and Young stepped in and was declared the starter therefore forcing the Niners to trade Montana. With Green Bay, Farve got hurt in the Dallas game and Rodgers came in and did incredibly well completeing almost all of his passes and making a statement that he could handle a big pressure situation even if it was one game For most of you who are sports fans, one game could mean a lot or a little depending on how much that player desires to improve.

Farve does want to play but he should have not retired if he did not want to play. The NFL does not need any Michael Jordans (u know the guy that retired twice and came back)

I agree with both Will and Slyfox on this. Farve should be able to compete but on the other hand you gotta look at it from a business point of view. They made an investment in Rodgers and it will be a waste of time and money if they do not at least let him try. Keep in mind, farve is getting up there in age and he had one good season. If you guys remember, the Packers did not make the playoffs in 05 and 06. Last year while Farve did play better, the team did not make the playoffs simply because of Farve. Last year the Packers had a ruinning game, they had a defense and they had a decent special teams. That is why and because they play in the same divison as Chicago, detroit and Minnesota whom they went 5-1 against. Take away that 5-1 record and 8-4 against everyone else. If they sucked against the divison, they could easily have missed the playoffs.

Brett Farve has been loyal I will give you this but it does not give him the right to just come and go whenever the hell he pleases. I am a Anaheim Ducks fan and I know how it feels to be strung along as we had two megastars do it to us last season.

Brett Farve is NOT Chad Johnson. He does not take camaras and films his touhcdown passes. LOL. But but him saying he is gonna call the Packers "Bluff" is really pushing the envelope as far as childish games go.

To finish my statement, I believe Farve is a great player and his desire is more to play the game than the money. He also craves the fame and its a shame. But in case u guys are wondering, Joe Montana got traded to the Chiefs, had one good season, a mediocre season and then retired. He did beat the Niners in his matchup with Steve Young. But the point is Farve is more likely to regress than he is to show any signs of progess. Farve is 38 right? Farve is not gonna produce super numbers at this time in his career. If the Packers did not have other players to help Farve, they would not have made the playoffs.

Just because Farve has always been supportive of the team, does not give him the right to start going off on them. To this moment, everyone believed that he was awesome and a super class athlete but his latest stunts proved otherwise.

 

[Slyfox696]

Lets start with who's immature? Brett Farve wins the cake here. The Packers have given Farve opportunity after opportunity to make his decision. hell, most were expecting Farve to come back so if you guys remember, the retirement came out of nowhere seemingly whereas last year and the year before he was expected to retire. The Packers were not trying to convince Farve to retire, they were trying to convince him to make a decison. Farve is not a child, he is a man. Talk it over with the wife, make dceision. Should take a week or two not four freaking months.

And if you had followed along at all, you would know that Brett Favre felt he was forced into it by the Packers, who were desperate to keep Aaron Rodgers, who was in the last year of his contract.

You want to talk immature? Let's talk about the fact that the Packers were so scared of Favre, they did EVERYTHING to keep him from playing. They knew Favre was a better QB than Rodgers, so they slung mud at him, they told him he had no chance to start, they tried to bribe him to stay home, and refused to release him.

If they're so confident in their new QB, then let Favre go. Hold open tryouts. But the Packers didn't do that, because it got in the way of their ego.."How dare Brett Favre try to dictate how we run a organization". Bull. The immaturity rests solely upon the shoulders of the one entity responsible for the circus that surrounded the whole thing.

Second, it was Farve'e team. Once he retires, he loses the ability to call it his team. Compare this with Montana-Young. Montana got hurt and Young stepped in and was declared the starter therefore forcing the Niners to trade Montana. With Green Bay, Farve got hurt in the Dallas game and Rodgers came in and did incredibly well completeing almost all of his passes and making a statement that he could handle a big pressure situation even if it was one game For most of you who are sports fans, one game could mean a lot or a little depending on how much that player desires to improve.

And Trent Dilfer led the Baltimore Ravens to a Superbowl. It didn't change the fact he was a piss bucket QB.

If Aaron Rodgers is better than Favre, what would it hurt to hold open tryouts? I've YET to hear a good answer to that.

The fact is Rodgers ISN'T a better QB than Favre, and EVERYONE knows it.

Farve does want to play but he should have not retired if he did not want to play. The NFL does not need any Michael Jordans (u know the guy that retired twice and came back)

People change their minds about things all the time. Why we seem to think that professional athletes are some how unable to do the same blows my mind.

Favre NEVER asked for special treatment. He never said "Make me the starter". Ever. He just wanted to play ball, and the Packers refused him all opportunities, based simply upon his age.

Hell, if he wanted to, I'd be he could even file a civil suit against the Packers. Of course, he wouldn't, because he's so much more classy than the Packers, but he probably could.

Farve should be able to compete but on the other hand you gotta look at it from a business point of view. They made an investment in Rodgers and it will be a waste of time and money if they do not at least let him try.

Then why not release Favre? If Rodgers is better, then it shouldn't matter what Favre does, right?

Keep in mind, farve is getting up there in age and he had one good season.

He had an MVP caliber season, took the team to the NFC Conference finals and had a regular season record of 13-3.

If you guys remember, the Packers did not make the playoffs in 05 and 06.

Yes, that's because the talent around him was so atrocious. Was it 04 or 05, when the Packers were literally signing WRs days before the game they played in?

Last year while Farve did play better, the team did not make the playoffs simply because of Farve. Last year the Packers had a ruinning game, they had a defense and they had a decent special teams.

Exactly.

They finally put a decent team around Favre, and look what happened. He had an MVP caliber seasons.

That proves that Favre was every bit the same player when the Packers didn't make the playoffs, and the only difference was the talent around him. Peyton Manning couldn't have made a winner out of those teams. Tom Brady couldn't have. Joe Montana couldn't have. NO ONE could have.

That is why and because they play in the same divison as Chicago, detroit and Minnesota whom they went 5-1 against. Take away that 5-1 record and 8-4 against everyone else. If they sucked against the divison, they could easily have missed the playoffs.

LOL

Duh? How is that any different from any other team? "If they had sucked in this arbitrary set of games, they could have missed the playoffs". Who cares? The fact is the DIDN'T lose those games, and DID win those games.

Brett Farve has been loyal I will give you this but it does not give him the right to just come and go whenever the hell he pleases.

It should grant him a little loyalty in return, not the completely unprofessional way the Packers handled it.

This guy made your once proud franchise meaningful again for the first time in decades. He was loyal, he gave you everything he had, and almost never complained. And this is how is loyalty was returned. It's bullshit, and any person with any objectivity can see it.

Farve is 38 right? Farve is not gonna produce super numbers at this time in his career. If the Packers did not have other players to help Farve, they would not have made the playoffs.

You can make that same statement for EVERY successful quarterback.

I mean, imagine Brett Favre in an offense with Marvin Harrison, Edgerin James and company like Manning had all those years. Or, imagine him having the Patriots weapons from last year. Imagine Tom Brady having the Packers from 05. You think they would have made the playoffs? Not a chance.

The fact is the Packers are built to win NOW. Brett Favre gave the Packers the best opportunity to win, but they pissed it away because they were more concerned about their own ego, then doing the right thing for their fans, and a guy who gave them all he had for 15+ years.

Just because Farve has always been supportive of the team, does not give him the right to start going off on them. To this moment, everyone believed that he was awesome and a super class athlete but his latest stunts proved otherwise.

That's just ridiculous. Because this only happened after the bullshit that the Packers were spewing all the time. They fucking turned on him to soothe their own egos. They'd rather lose with Aaron Rodgers, then do the right thing for their fans and a guy who was extremely loyal.

THAT is childish.

 

[RBH]

Okay Sly first of all, I do not know where this "He was forced to retire" crap keeps coming from. The organization and the fans fell completely head over heels in love with Farve all over again last year. They adored him. They would have kissed his ass. Yes Aaron Rodgers was in the last year of his contract but the fact is had Farve not made his quick and abrupt choice (on his own, no one held a freaking gun to his head) to retire, then he would be the starter preparing for another season with the Packers. The Packers woulde have found a way to secure Aaron Rodgers or if not they would have groomed another replacement.

Scared of Farve? LOL! Farve is still a good QB (we will see how great he is when the season rolls along). But Rodgers is still relatively new. You cannot say on any grounds that he is worthless based on what a total of one half played in his career. If you watched that game against Dallas last year or his preseason game this year thus far, his numbers are not bad. I believe in the game against Dallas he had 1 touchdown and no interceptions and completed the majority of his passes. Unlike a certain former hall of famer who was high risk high reward meaning he would fling the passes so deep he did not know whether it was going to be a touchdown or an interception. Rodgers is a different QB and you cannot make any judgment about him until you see him play.

The reason they did not hold open tryouts is because it would have beena total jackass move towards Rodgers who was actually WORKING for 3 months after Farve retired and preparing for the season. Slyfox think about it, put ur self in the situation of Farve with ur job, u leave a company and someone takes ur spot, you coming back after 3 months is a dick move and you know it. Especially since it basically makes you look bad and puts the company (or in the Packers case organization) in a bad spot.

Principle is what matters Slyfox. There woudl be tryouts had Farve not retired in the first place.........and if the team felt there needed to be tryouts but like I said Farve retired. Then he decided a month before the season started that he wanted to come back. There is a day that you can see how legit Rodgers is, it's called September 8th against the Vikings.

Classy? I used to think so. In fact, I adored the man last year. Even tho he has beaten my 49ers a shitload of times (both when they were good and when they suck like now). But dude like I said, the man freaking came back a month before and demanded that if he were not the starter, he be released. He wanted to sign with the Vikings to STICK IT to the Packers. Yeah, slyfox, that's real fucking classy.

You see not releasing Farve...its kinda like a bad breakup...u really do not want to see the person that acted like a bitch towards u so u hope that they go as far the hell away from u as possible...or in ur case, u may be right. Montana did beat the Niners and Young before he retired. But even so, he did not achieve the success that he ahd with the 49ers with the new team the Chiefs.

Wow, he had one MVP caliber season that was reminisent of his old days. Big Fucking Deal. Tom Brady and the Pats are gonna rip him to shreads twice a year. I guarantee it.

Like I have always said, it takes a team to win. Farve did give them a great chance to win but who the hell says Rodgers can't. It's not like they are throwing him in the spot in his rookie eyar. The man has spent time on the bench for 3 fucking years. he has studied the playbook and he has done drills and he is mentally prepared. Team always comes before one man....thats why I say that about sports, thats what I say about wrestling, thats what I say about life.

Again Slyfox u don't know that they are gonna lose and it completely contradicts ur statement that the Packers are a built to win team. The fact is Farve had his chance. The Packers wanted to keep him but the man retired. He retired! Then he acted like a spoiled brat and came back. The Packers are not going to have problems winning. They play in the same division as the Lions and Bears. They also play against the Vikes who they pretty much own. I do not get why you keep saying the organization wanted farve out when they clearly loved him and would grovel at his feet. That's just conspiracy thinking on ur part and u seem to do a lot of it these days. But the season begins in a few weeks, if Farve is as great as you say he is, let's see him lead the Jets to the playoffs.