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Favre - 2, Packers - 0

Green Bay's record the last 4 years

2005- 4-12

2006- 8-8

2007- 13-3

2008- 6-10

It looks like a great case can be made that the Packers were a one year wonder.
Do you listen to yourself? The Titans started off 1-6 this year and got creamed in half of those 6 losses. You said before that the Packers losses were mostly close games, the same can't be said about the Titans. Try harder next time ok?
 
Do you listen to yourself? The Titans started off 1-6 this year and got creamed in half of those 6 losses. You said before that the Packers losses were mostly close games, the same can't be said about the Titans. Try harder next time ok?

The Titans lost a key defensive player as well as having 7 injured starters on defense. Of course they got creamed. They didn't beat Jacksonville because of Vince Young. They won because their defense is healthy.
 
Right, when Brett Favre was there.

So, you're proving my point. When Favre is there, they won those games, when Rodgers is there, they didn't. What is your point here?

Week 10 loss- Rodgers leads them in position for a game winning field goal and Mason Crosby misses it.

Week 13 loss- Rodgers leads the offense down the field and gives them the lead with 1:57 to play. Then the defense collapses and gives up a touchdown to Carolina for the win.

Week 14 loss- Down 13-7 going into the 4th, Aaron Rodgers leads a td drive to take the lead 14-13. Then the defense allows a td and they are down 21-14. Then Aaron Rodgers leads another td drive tying the game 21-21. Then the defense allows a late drive by Houston and they kick the winning field goal as time expired.

Week 15 loss- Green Bay up by 9 going into the 4th and the defense gives up 13 4th quarter points to the Jaguars giving them the win.

Week 16 loss- Less then a minute left in the game and Rodgers leads the Pack into position for a game winning 28 yard field goal. The kick gets blocked and the Bears win in OT.

In those 5 games there were two missed field goals and 3 defensive collapses. No quarterback can help that.
 
Do you listen to yourself? The Titans started off 1-6 this year and got creamed in half of those 6 losses. You said before that the Packers losses were mostly close games, the same can't be said about the Titans. Try harder next time ok?

Last year the Packers losses were mostly close games. In 2006 they got blown out a lot. In 2005 when they only won 4 games, some were close but they still lost there fair share by double digits.
 
I don't know what your trying to prove Sly.
This...

You said:
Rodgers is not better than Favre.
Week 10 loss- Rodgers leads them in position for a game winning field goal and Mason Crosby misses it.
Why didn't they score a Touchdown?

Week 13 loss- Rodgers leads the offense down the field and gives them the lead with 1:57 to play. Then the defense collapses and gives up a touchdown to Carolina for the win.
Why didn't they score more points?

Week 14 loss- Down 13-7 going into the 4th, Aaron Rodgers leads a td drive to take the lead 14-13. Then the defense allows a td and they are down 21-14. Then Aaron Rodgers leads another td drive tying the game 21-21. Then the defense allows a late drive by Houston and they kick the winning field goal as time expired.
Why didn't they score more points?

Week 15 loss- Green Bay up by 9 going into the 4th and the defense gives up 13 4th quarter points to the Jaguars giving them the win.
Why didn't Green Bay score more points? You know, like the Vikings did on Sunday when Green Bay came back in the second half?

Week 16 loss- Less then a minute left in the game and Rodgers leads the Pack into position for a game winning 28 yard field goal. The kick gets blocked and the Bears win in OT.
Why didn't they score a touchdown?

In those 5 games there were two missed field goals and 3 defensive collapses. No quarterback can help that.
Only if you want to conveniently forget that a NFL football game is 60 minutes long...

But, I mean, if you want to play that game:

Week 1 Win - Defense intercepts a pass on Minnesota's final possession.

Week 6 Win - Defense hold the Seahawks to 177 yards of total offense, only being 4-11 on 3rd down, keeping the Seahawks defense on the field to wear down and get tired.

Week 7 Win - The Defense puts up 14 points on interceptions for Peyton Manning while only allowing 14 points themselves, in a game Rodgers doesn't even throw for 200 yards.

and so on..

We could play this game all day long. It isn't going to change the fact that 13-3 went to 6-10.
 
I don't think people understand what a good leader brings to the tables. I do not like Favre, but Favre is one of those guys you can trust under center. When he is there you know you have a shot to win every game. He is a guy you can rally around and there aren't many of them in the NFL. A leader brings more than just a shit load of stats, he brings a winning mentality, and at this moment in Rodgers career I don't really see that from him. Maybe in two or three years, but not now.
 
I don't think people understand what a good leader brings to the tables. I do not like Favre, but Favre is one of those guys you can trust under center. When he is there you know you have a shot to win every game. He is a guy you can rally around and there aren't many of them in the NFL. A leader brings more than just a shit load of stats, he brings a winning mentality, and at this moment in Rodgers career I don't really see that from him. Maybe in two or three years, but not now.
Exactly. I've tried to get this point across a couple of times, but apparently the QB position is only about stats.
 
I'll put my two cents in on this, for what it is worth. Right now there is the benefit of hind-sight. With Favre having this season, of course it looks like a mistake by Green Bay. Is Rodgers better than Favre? Hell no. Is he a good quarterback? For some of you, statswise of course he is. He is leading his offense, even with a shitty offensive line and barely any running game. But wins-wise, he isn't doing that great. Not all of the losses are his fault. I saw Sly say,

Slyfox696 said:
Why didn't they score more points?

You make it seem so easy to score points in the NFL. He does his part, you can't score each possession, and the defense let him down last year. But you know that already and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence. I know better than that.

The only real answer I can give for using Rodgers and not Favre, is management trusting the young gun. I'm not saying it is the right or wrong decision. You either get rid of your future quarterback, at the time, or your current franchise quarterback. After 2007 management probably thought Brett would have a dropoff season. They have been proven wrong as of right now.

But let us think about it this way. If Brett is on the Packers last year, is it really guaranteed that they win the close games that they lost? Brett Favre of last season with the Jets, and yes with the injury, if he is on the Packers, do they have similar success? Nothing is guaranteed.

So yes, the Packers mistreating Favre and sending him packing was wrong. Entirely the wrong move? No, because they want to see what Rodgers could do. I'll repeat myself, Rodgers is not Brett Favre and can't lead like him. But he can't be blamed for all of the close losses of last season. And we can't say that Brett would have led them to victories in those close losses. It is all speculation. The Packers management speculated Brett wouldn't be as good. That backfired, but they still have a good quarterback that stepped in.
 
I'll put my two cents in on this, for what it is worth. Right now there is the benefit of hind-sight. With Favre having this season, of course it looks like a mistake by Green Bay. Is Rodgers better than Favre? Hell no. Is he a good quarterback? For some of you, statswise of course he is. He is leading his offense, even with a shitty offensive line and barely any running game. But wins-wise, he isn't doing that great. Not all of the losses are his fault. I saw Sly say,



You make it seem so easy to score points in the NFL. He does his part, you can't score each possession, and the defense let him down last year. But you know that already and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence. I know better than that.

The only real answer I can give for using Rodgers and not Favre, is management trusting the young gun. I'm not saying it is the right or wrong decision. You either get rid of your future quarterback, at the time, or your current franchise quarterback. After 2007 management probably thought Brett would have a dropoff season. They have been proven wrong as of right now.

But let us think about it this way. If Brett is on the Packers last year, is it really guaranteed that they win the close games that they lost? Brett Favre of last season with the Jets, and yes with the injury, if he is on the Packers, do they have similar success? Nothing is guaranteed.

So yes, the Packers mistreating Favre and sending him packing was wrong. Entirely the wrong move? No, because they want to see what Rodgers could do. I'll repeat myself, Rodgers is not Brett Favre and can't lead like him. But he can't be blamed for all of the close losses of last season. And we can't say that Brett would have led them to victories in those close losses. It is all speculation. The Packers management speculated Brett wouldn't be as good. That backfired, but they still have a good quarterback that stepped in.

Of course I understand that, but at the same time, trying to discredit everyone else for the fact they did not win, when for YEARS, people tried to blame Favre for the Packers not winning is just hypocritical to me. For years I read how Favre needs to go, he wasn't cutting it, etc., and Favre was on teams that were vastly inferior to the one he turned over to Rodgers. But now, suddenly, people want to blame a crappy team instead of the Quarterback. Why? Because they just have it in their head they Favre was to blame for their problems, and that turned into disdain of Favre, clouding objective opinion. And now that the same exact circumstance has happened when Favre isn't there, suddenly it's the team's fault...not the QB. Favre has proven that he wasn't the problem in Green Bay, with his great play over the last three years (barring the time with injury), but people just can't let go.

As far as the Packers thinking, I can certainly understand that. There were a whole host of things the Packers could have done that would have kept me a Packers fan. But they did none of them. They pressured him into retirement, they tried to pay him to stay away, they wouldn't give him a chance to compete for his job, they wouldn't release him, and they wouldn't trade him to where he wanted to go. And this is for the guy who made them meaningful again, the guy who delivered their first Superbowl in 30 years, the guy who played on absolutely atrocious teams, for which he took the blame for by the fans and the media, and never said a word against the team for their awful mismanagement of personnel. He played for them for 16 years, gave them everything he had, never publicly complained about management, and the Packers basically tried to screw him. THAT'S the part I had a problem with.

People want to talk about how Favre is a traitor, but the Packers were a traitor to him long before he left Green Bay.
 
Of course I understand that, but at the same time, trying to discredit everyone else for the fact they did not win, when for YEARS, people tried to blame Favre for the Packers not winning is just hypocritical to me. For years I read how Favre needs to go, he wasn't cutting it, etc., and Favre was on teams that were vastly inferior to the one he turned over to Rodgers. But now, suddenly, people want to blame a crappy team instead of the Quarterback. Why? Because they just have it in their head they Favre was to blame for their problems, and that turned into disdain of Favre, clouding objective opinion. And now that the same exact circumstance has happened when Favre isn't there, suddenly it's the team's fault...not the QB. Favre has proven that he wasn't the problem in Green Bay, with his great play over the last three years (barring the time with injury), but people just can't let go.

As far as the Packers thinking, I can certainly understand that. There were a whole host of things the Packers could have done that would have kept me a Packers fan. But they did none of them. They pressured him into retirement, they tried to pay him to stay away, they wouldn't give him a chance to compete for his job, they wouldn't release him, and they wouldn't trade him to where he wanted to go. And this is for the guy who made them meaningful again, the guy who delivered their first Superbowl in 30 years, the guy who played on absolutely atrocious teams, for which he took the blame for by the fans and the media, and never said a word against the team for their awful mismanagement of personnel. He played for them for 16 years, gave them everything he had, never publicly complained about management, and the Packers basically tried to screw him. THAT'S the part I had a problem with.

People want to talk about how Favre is a traitor, but the Packers were a traitor to him long before he left Green Bay.

Oh definitely. I never thought Favre was to blame in their inferior years. Of course I hate Favre as a player due to him being in GB and now MN, but I always thought Favre was what made them who they were in Green Bay. He was the franchise. So in that regard, I do agree that Favre wasn't to blame in their down years. My only issue was that you were saying Rodgers was to blame, but I see why now. I think I may have misread your intent in the original Favre 1 - Packers 0 thread. But now that I see it, you are right that saying Favre was the problem back then and Rodgers isn't now is crap. It is either Favre's fault and now it is Rodgers' fault, or it is the collective team's fault.

Is that what you are aiming at Sly?
 
Good for Green Bay, but if Kurt Warner's still the starting QB for the Cardinals, I don't the Packers getting past the first round...when it comes to the playoffs, Warner can miracles out of his ass.
 
You can't hold that against Green Bay though.
Perhaps not, but when you look at their schedule going into the season, you never think that the Bears would have been so bad, you would have thought the Seahawks and Ravens to be better, and never think the Arizona Cardinals would be playing mostly reserves.

Hats off to Green Bay for making the playoffs, something I didn't think they would do, but when your best win is against a Dallas team that has historically been inconsistent, it isn't time to be full of yourself just yet.
 
Perhaps not, but when you look at their schedule going into the season, you never think that the Bears would have been so bad, you would have thought the Seahawks and Ravens to be better, and never think the Arizona Cardinals would be playing mostly reserves.

Hats off to Green Bay for making the playoffs, something I didn't think they would do, but when your best win is against a Dallas team that has historically been inconsistent, it isn't time to be full of yourself just yet.

The way the Cowboys have been playing it looks pretty good for the Packers. I expect the Packers to beat the Cardinals and they have a good chance to win against the Saints. New Orleans has been suspect at defense and Green Bay has done a decent job of protecting Rodgers. I like Rodgers as a quarterback but it seems like he will be connected to Favre forever because of what went down.
 
I Say Packers 31, Cardinals 23.
When Brett Favre retires, then I'll hope you are right.

Until then, I hope the Packers get blown out. :)
The way the Cowboys have been playing it looks pretty good for the Packers. I expect the Packers to beat the Cardinals and they have a good chance to win against the Saints. New Orleans has been suspect at defense and Green Bay has done a decent job of protecting Rodgers. I like Rodgers as a quarterback but it seems like he will be connected to Favre forever because of what went down.
If they can get to the NFC Championship game, then I'll believe they are a better team than what I thought. Until then, I'll remain skeptical.
 
I can't wait 'til Brett retires. I buried my 14-year old Favre jersey deep in my dresser until he's no longer a division rival.
 

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