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It's...Baylariat!
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I know Rey beat him once on Nitro, but this is at a PPV with more at stake.
I know Rey beat him once on Nitro, but this is at a PPV with more at stake.
It's...Baylariat!
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That same interference backfired on Nash on Nitro and Rey ended up winning... so that makes the video moot... hmmm....
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
WWE wasn't Vader's prime though.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Can't believe smart people are pretending that matchup doesn't favor Muta
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
Edge is going to go over Piper. Not impressed you guys. 
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Why are 75% of the International region matches in the US and the rest in Canada? Quick someone explain Seattle rules to me.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Instead of commentary, you hear Nirvana music.
This has been explained many times.
shattered dreams
Hexagonal Hedonist
Has all the Heyman guy dipshittery convinced you to rid us of that relic of a region next year yet?
klunderbunker
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Nah. We'll keep it around.
Edge is going to go over Piper. Not impressed you guys.
Sorry, but really, Piper shouldn't have gone over Yoko.
Piper was always the guy that made it to the main event, however, he could never get the job done. Idc how Edge won his many World titles, the point is, that he won them. Also, for him to win them, he went over some of the biggest names that wrestling has seen.
Edge definitely deserves to go over Piper.
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True or not this is irrelevant now that Piper is no longer fighting Yoko but actually fighting someone else.
So if Piper always made the main event he should make it to at least the semi's in this tournament. And it would completely stupid for someone to vote for Edge over Piper in the second (see no where near the main event) of a tournament.
Last I checked Edge and Piper are not fighting over a World Title.
And he's lost to plenty too. He's lost to some of the not so biggest name that wrestling has seen.
That's not what you were saying two sentences ago.
True, however, my point was that Piper won that match by the hair on his ass and in this match, he's going up against an even bigger name in Edge. Piper's record, in his prime, against the top stars of the business has already been established.
My point of saying Piper made it to the main event was to show that he was not as good as Edge. See, Edge made it to the main event and won. Also, this match could very well be the main event match on the night that it takes place.
Doesn't matter. Edge was good enough to win a World Title. Obviously Piper wasn't or he would have.
I thought that we were looking at primes here, no? In his prime, I don't recall Edge losing to many people who weren't considered at the top. If you wanna pick nits like that, then we can.
Again, I was showing how Edge was better than Piper by saying that Piper could never win in the main event when it counted, however, Edge could. So that's exactly what I was saying two sentences ago.
Little Jerry Lawler
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That statement is ridiculous.
There were a lot of great wrestlers in Piper's era who were good enough to win a world tile but didn't. Do you honestly think that Swagger in 2010 was good enough to win a world title? I love the guy but I don't think he was.
Take Edge and put him in Piper's era where there was only one world title and take Piper and put him in Edge's era where there were two titles which changed hands frequently.
I'm guessing Edge would be the one sans world title.
We're not talking about what if's and all that. We're not talking take Edge and put him in the 80's or take Piper and put him in this era. We're talking facts and the fact is that Edge won many World Titles and he beat the very damn best to do it.
Piper lost to the best more often then not and Edge (often bending the rules) beat the best.
I get the Piper love, but don't let it blind you to who should win this match up.
Mr. Artistic guy
Better Off This Way
The point is there wasn't as many titles at that time. It's not fair to compare Edge's 10 titles to Piper lack thereof because in this era you just have that much more chance of winning one. Factor in MITB now and you can, and as history shows, can gift a superstar like a Jack Swagger, Miz or Daniel Bryan (before he was over) a world title from almost out of nowhere at times.
If you're going to vote based on Edge beating top guys, that's a better slant. But you still have to consider Edge's ultimate opportunist gimmick into the match too. Edge can't rely on the MITB to help him in this match, nor interference, nor many of the things he's used to help in the past because this is just a straight match with normal rules.
Just don't use Edge's volume of world titles as a reason why he should go over, it doesn't work. This is exactly what I was talking about a while back when I mentioned carefully considering the era you are comparing. Roddy Piper has never won the WWF world title, but has gotten just as much heat and pops as Edge, and probably louder. World titles don't mean everything, but less still when one of the guys you are comparing is Edge, because his whole gimmick was to get those titles in some sort of deviant way which isn't operable in these conditions.
If you take out the gimmicks and the things that didn't exist in his era and put Roddy Piper in the ring with Edge in a timeless match, you have two guys who are just as good as each other in finding dirty and underhanded ways to win.
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So we have precedent of three more points in favor of Piper:
1) Piper can beat guys who you think are bigger names
2) Piper can beat a guy in a close match
3) You are wrong to pick against Piper
But more importantly how in the high holy hell can you say Edge is a bigger name? Are you talking about the guy from U2? Seriously, Piper main evented WM, Piper competed against arguably once of the most recognizable faces in the US in Mr. T at WM 2, Piper had a feud with one of the biggest worldwide pop stars of the 80's in Cindy Lauper, Piper went on to make movies and possibly be in the greatest fight scene in movie history. He still does TV and Vince brings him back regularly to help get guys over.
Adam Copeland did a crappy WWE movie that went no where. He is barely seen anymore.
And Edge lost a lot. He sucked so bad that in his prime he got himself caught on top of a 400 lb. giant and let himself somehow get double AA'd. Is it that hard to slide off a sweaty Big Show.
But it's not. No tournament has a main event in the second round. No titles are on the line here. It is just an opportunity to go to the third round. There's also no MITB, Christian to tag, or silly ladder.
Again, I'm not sure the winner of this match wins a world title. Is there something in the tournament description that I didn't read?
No, there is no rule that says you have to judge people in their prime but I will tell you about Edge's prime. He was a mega-troll. He won matches over top faces to get the fans angry. He is facing a better heel in this situation. There is no booking reason for him to win.
No one loses in their prime. It wouldn't be their prime if they are losing. A prime is not much more a push. Steve Blackman had a prime and he was undefeated during it. Vote Steve Blackman.
Again, this is not the main event. Edge was a clown compared to Piper. I was happy Vince put so much (to the point it was exhausting) in to him. But ultimately he was not that entertaining outside of gimmick matches and having Vickie and Lita draw him heat. He would have been lucky to sniff 80's Hogan's ass. He would have been Marty Janettey in the 80's. His biggest singles accomplishments are sleeping with his "friend's" girlfriend, showing the world how a MITB cash-in is done, and having a weak neck.
I'm wasting my fingertips on this argument because I don't expect anyone who didn't watch during the 80's to really understand Piper's influence on the WWF product but trust me when I tell you it was bigger than anything Edge came close to accomplishing.
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Once I figured out what Haven was I looked up the ratings and a 0.4 in the 18 -49 demo confirms my statement. Edge is a ghost.
And from what I've seen, Piper's basically relegated to autograph appearances.
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Dammit Crack, you don't count since your Mormon overlords have banned everything cool.
Piper is 25 years past his hey-day and still is a working actor (imdb.com). Vince drags his carcass out every now and again and gives the guy a lot of air time. In 25 years Edge's only media appearance will be an announcement on TMZgeriatric.com that he got served a restraining order for trying to steal Lita's granny panties.
Don't argue fame, Piper puts Edge to shame.
klunderbunker
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Edge is famous for stealing Matt Hardy's girlfriend.
Roddy Piper is the reason Wrestlemania was invented.
Do we still need to have this debate?
Roddy Piper is the reason Wrestlemania was invented.
Do we still need to have this debate?
