[OFFICIAL] Sheamus as the WWE Champion Thread
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Winkie Pop
Dark Match Jobber
Unfortunately I have to agree. There's no doubt he has massive potential, but his push was way too quick and it isn't working. I feel embarrassed for him - the crowd are dead when he makes his entrance, cuts a promo and when he wrestles.
My wife - who isn't the biggest fan of wrestling - asked me who he was when she saw him on Raw a few weeks ago. She said, "Are you serious?? THAT guy is champion??"
My wife - who isn't the biggest fan of wrestling - asked me who he was when she saw him on Raw a few weeks ago. She said, "Are you serious?? THAT guy is champion??"
I forget sometimes that he's champion myself. I'll be watching Raw (or reading posts on this forum) and suddenly remember "oh that's right... Sheamus IS the WWE Champion".... It's not quite his fault though. Sheamus got pushed far too quickly, in roughly 160 days he went from a nobody debuting on ECW to WWE Champion. He didn't pay his dues in many fans' eyes and the push was far too fast, one of the fastest in WWE history. His reign also hasn't been very memorable because he hasn't done much other than have a few fluke wins and brag in promos. Whether we like him or not, he's a world champion, and WWE should be developing him more by giving him more promos, more appearances, and stronger booking in matches. They have been doing a better job of all this in the past couple of weeks at least.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
I don't forget he's WWE Champion because I've got no real issues with him being WWE Champion. I've heard a lot of "WWE is stale" talk but I've found that the IWC hates on the WWE no matter what it does and Sheamus is the latest example of it. NOBODY saw Sheamus getting in the WWE Championship picture this quickly and NOBODY actually thought he would win it. I sometimes wonder if the IWC hates this idea so much because they just don't like him or that the WWE managed to put one over on them.
Making Sheamus WWE Champion is arguably the biggest shocker of 2009 and I dig it personally. I don't believe that Sheamus has exactly found his right niche as of yet, but I enjoy it when he comes out. Now, the usual formula would be to wait until he's found his niche and been built up before putting the title on him. In almost every case I'd agree with that formula but the novelty of having the title put on somebody so unexpected has just really entertained me. And, in the end, that's what it's supposed to be about. I don't watch wrestling to critique everything that goes on, to pour over every segment and match to look for mistakes. Too many people on this forum and too many of the IWC in general have forgotten how to be fans and only watch WWE just so they can find something to piss and moan about.
Making Sheamus WWE Champion is arguably the biggest shocker of 2009 and I dig it personally. I don't believe that Sheamus has exactly found his right niche as of yet, but I enjoy it when he comes out. Now, the usual formula would be to wait until he's found his niche and been built up before putting the title on him. In almost every case I'd agree with that formula but the novelty of having the title put on somebody so unexpected has just really entertained me. And, in the end, that's what it's supposed to be about. I don't watch wrestling to critique everything that goes on, to pour over every segment and match to look for mistakes. Too many people on this forum and too many of the IWC in general have forgotten how to be fans and only watch WWE just so they can find something to piss and moan about.
WWE is till probably trying to milk the shocking win that happened at TLC because nobody expected him to go over Cena...nobody. Everytime I see Sheamus wearing the WWE championship, I still can't believe it. WWE is trying to shake things up as far as the main event scene goes, and having Sheamus as the champion is accomplishing that mission. I think it's a lock he will lose the belt at Elimination Chamber because I still don't believe he will go into Mania as the champion, but then again, stranger things have happened.
proofinlife
Pre-Show Stalwart
You know, for me it's hard to forget that he's WWE Champ. Personally, I think his entrance music is completely awesome and plays well to the Celtic Warrior gimmick. People say he's been booked poorly, but they're doing a decent job as building him up to be the slippery slidy heel that nobody can touch because he does Whatever it takes to hold on to the belt he crushed John cena for (kayfabe comment).
However, personally, I think his time as WWE Champ has run it's course, and it's time for either a Heel turning tweener like Randy Orton or a full fledged Face like Cena or Triple H to regain it (and I hope Triple H gets it, turns heel on HBK, sets up a mega feud after Wrestlemania, and I get my favorite character to ever grace a WWE Screen back).
Only time will tell what they're doing for the belt, whether he loses it as Elimination Chamber (which is most likely) or defends it at Wrestlemania, which absolutely no one is wanting to pay to see, so I see him dropping it at EC and he'll be put back in the midcard, fully built up, and ready to rock as a mega uber midcard heel.
However, personally, I think his time as WWE Champ has run it's course, and it's time for either a Heel turning tweener like Randy Orton or a full fledged Face like Cena or Triple H to regain it (and I hope Triple H gets it, turns heel on HBK, sets up a mega feud after Wrestlemania, and I get my favorite character to ever grace a WWE Screen back).
Only time will tell what they're doing for the belt, whether he loses it as Elimination Chamber (which is most likely) or defends it at Wrestlemania, which absolutely no one is wanting to pay to see, so I see him dropping it at EC and he'll be put back in the midcard, fully built up, and ready to rock as a mega uber midcard heel.
It's crazy that I'm defending a big, power guy who pounds his chest while he yells. Usually that's the type of guys that I loathe. I've said it time and time again over the past few months and I'm going to make the statement once again:
Sheamus is fucking fantastic.
He is at the very top of the list of things that make me tune into RAW. I've yet to figure out what's not to like about this guy. He's got a great look- there's no one else that looks like him. He plays the role of monster heel well and is able to generate a good reaction from the crowd. This guy gets heat. He can also cut a good promo. He doesn't fumble through his words like some other guys do. He's smooth and interjects enough emotion in his lines to make it believeable.
I think he's had a decent title run for a guy who has been on the WWE roster for less than a year. It was a great move on the part of the WWE to freshen things up. I think the WWE is still a little gun shy when it comes to putting him in the forefront of the show. I can only recall one episode where he has been involved in the main event, which is unusual for the WWE champion. Personally, I think RAW could use a little more Sheamus.
Sheamus is fucking fantastic.
He is at the very top of the list of things that make me tune into RAW. I've yet to figure out what's not to like about this guy. He's got a great look- there's no one else that looks like him. He plays the role of monster heel well and is able to generate a good reaction from the crowd. This guy gets heat. He can also cut a good promo. He doesn't fumble through his words like some other guys do. He's smooth and interjects enough emotion in his lines to make it believeable.
I think he's had a decent title run for a guy who has been on the WWE roster for less than a year. It was a great move on the part of the WWE to freshen things up. I think the WWE is still a little gun shy when it comes to putting him in the forefront of the show. I can only recall one episode where he has been involved in the main event, which is unusual for the WWE champion. Personally, I think RAW could use a little more Sheamus.
I don't forget about Sheamus, and I don't even mind him that much, but what I would say is that all of his bigtime matches have been about his opponent. At the Royal Rumble we got no build for the match, just for Legacy falling apart. Hopefully, he will go into the Elimination Chamber with some strong backing and then he will succesfully be in the fans' concience, something I'm not seeing now.
I agree. Personally, I don't forget about him and I don't mind the guy. He interests me. But for sure, they make everything he does more about who he's facing, especially when it's Cena. Add him being booked badly into the equation and that's where he starts to fade away for a lot people. After he actually got the belt it's like they ran out of printer ink or something because he barely got (and still doesn't get) much mic or promo time. It's also irritating how a few of his promos/face offs with his opponents have ended off with them standing tall instead of the champ. And I really don't think it helps when your champ doesn't show up until 45 minutes into the show without even being mentioned before that.
He's not a forgettable guy appearance-wise. Nobody else in the league looks like him. When they had him squashing random guys every week he wasn't forgettable. So he really shouldn't be a forgettable champ, they've just gotta give him the chance to really BE the champ.
MoxViolence
The Best At Everything I Do
Honestly, Sheamus is impressing me. He beat cena. He beat orton. Now he goes over Christian clean. He's been putting on some good promo's. And he has a pretty cool strut down to the ring. To tie it all together he's an untanned Irishman with a deep accent and flaming red hair. That says character to me.
I like how Raw has many feuds, meanwhile Sheamus is racking up wins. In my opinion Sheamus can be a dominant figure in wwe for a long time. Hopefully he doesn't get injured.
Any thoughts?
I like how Raw has many feuds, meanwhile Sheamus is racking up wins. In my opinion Sheamus can be a dominant figure in wwe for a long time. Hopefully he doesn't get injured.
Any thoughts?
evilshizno
Dark Match Jobber
Sheamus is the F'n man in my opinion,and the funny thing is that i have been telling all my friends that Sheamus O'Shaunessy was coming to dominate for like a year up until his debut on ecw. and none of them ever knew who i was speaking of until then either. but they all know now,the celtic warrior is here and kicking ass every monday night......its almost as amesome as the miz lol in my opinion the guy is gold on the mic,good in the ring and has one of the most original and impressive looks in a long time. Sheamus is gonna be around for a long time so all the sheamus haters just need to get used to the "Irish Curse"
Honestly not been impressed with Sheamus so far. Don't get me wrong I think he is a talented guy but I think he has been bumped up to the main event scene too fast. Hopefully they will keep the belt on him for a long while so he can establish himself as a main event player. If they take it away too soon I think it'll be a long crash back to the mid-card.
I think that's the problem people still judging him because of receiving a push so fast but to me he's embraced and made the best out of the situation cause alot of guys couldn't do it, I mean he does his own talking and has faced some good competition and he's held his own and I must admit that I've became a huge fan of his
I still don't have any reason to care about him. He has no character, has been given no storylines, and his most impressive victory was against Christian (considering all of his victories against established superstars have been DQ, countout, or fluke tables match wins).
*The Legend Killer*
Dark Match Jobber
Like Pickle said, there's really nothing making me care about him. He's awful on the mic (yes, I said it), he is very boring in the ring, he's winning every match, when I think Christian SHOULD'VE won. Now, I'm not calling myself a Sheamus hater, but I don't care for him at all, and probably never will. I'm not denying his talent, but he's just not that appealing, in any way, shape or form. Sorry, nope, I don't like Sheamus.
Yeah i agree shameus week by week im starting to like this guy.the first week of him being the WWE champ i was like What the Fuck is WWE doing.Now he still looks kind of odd to me but he is truely putting in work for the "E".Yesterday this dude looked awsome against Christian.And i honestly think he is going to lose in the EC but hopefully He makes it until WM
JobMeOut2008
Dark Match Jobber
I am getting the sneaking suspicion that smarks are beginning to flock to Sheamus' corner with the belief that he is some sort of anti-Cena. Be honest and objective for a second. Look at last night's encounter with Christian synchronically and tell me how you could defend Sheamus going over him cleanly. Mic Skills: Christian > Sheamus. Ring Work: Christian > Sheamus. Finisher: Christian > Sheamus.
Alas the only two categories in which Captain Charisma pales (pun intended) in comparison to Sheamus comprise the final determining factors in the WWE - Roided up Body: Sheamus > Christian. Politics: Sheamus > Christian.
If Sheamus went on a year long run squashing everybody with the same 4-7 moves, responding to the same lame jokes about his skin tone and hair, and utilizing his dumbfounded/maniacal look after 'the kick,' many of the posters would be screaming for his head.
Alas the only two categories in which Captain Charisma pales (pun intended) in comparison to Sheamus comprise the final determining factors in the WWE - Roided up Body: Sheamus > Christian. Politics: Sheamus > Christian.
If Sheamus went on a year long run squashing everybody with the same 4-7 moves, responding to the same lame jokes about his skin tone and hair, and utilizing his dumbfounded/maniacal look after 'the kick,' many of the posters would be screaming for his head.
I was fairly disappointed when Sheamus won the title,but he's impressed me. His mic skills are steadily improving and he is a few moves away from being a really interesting worker. Still should probably be a mid-carder but at least he's not Cena. I'm also willing to give the WWE the benefit of the doubt as they've been pretty good with pushing young talent of late. I know this is in another thread but Miz is a great heel and Sheamus is almost there.
Dragonfirez
Dark Match Winner
I must say, since his debut, Sheamus impressed me however I am starting to dislike his ability to retain his championship without getting DQ'd. I understand that Sheamus is being used to gain mega heat but surely they can find other ways than to keep getting DQ'd every championship match e.g winning the match cleanly but just attack all the top face superstars to gain masses of heat.
I have been pretty impressed with Sheamus' rise in the WWE. As I was watching Raw last night I noticed how much heat the guy gets. Incidentally it's a lot. The fans seem to really dislike the guy. Now, I'm a huge Christian fan but I haven't seen a crowd so into a Christian match since he returned to the WWE. A huge part of that is Christian, but I have to give Sheamus a lot of credit as well. As much as the crowd loves Christian, they also genuinely hate Sheamus. Sheamus is a great heel. He gets scads of heat and never tries to be "cool". He wants no part of being cheered and you've gotta respect that. Sheamus is improving each week and he's been making for some impressive, fun television as of late.
Finally some people are starting to get it! Sheamus rocks socks. There nothing boring or standard about this guy. He is fresh blood in the main event scene, which is what most people were dying to see. He's got a fantastic look, good mic skills and plays his role as monster heel very effectively. He has a sold power game in the ring and in his last few matches has shown great psychology as well.
Sheamus has had my attention since a few weeks after debuting on ECW. Yes, he has moved up the ranks much quicker than most people, but I'm cool with that. He's entertaining, believeable and talented- what's not to like about that?
Sheamus has had my attention since a few weeks after debuting on ECW. Yes, he has moved up the ranks much quicker than most people, but I'm cool with that. He's entertaining, believeable and talented- what's not to like about that?
Greenlight13
Getting Noticed By Management
I find it hilarious that people believe Christian should have won. Of course he shouldn't. Yes he's the ECW champion, yes he's really good, yes I'm a mark for him, but he absolutely should not have in a million years beaten the WWE champion in his first attempt and in a "just visiting" capacity. That would make a mockery of RAW, the WWE Title, Sheamus and the WWE generally. Orton and Cena can't beat him but Christian can? That would destroy the natural order.
Anyway, on to the actual topic, I think he's better than people give him credit. He's going to get a LOT of abuse because the belt was put straight on him when people feel he didn't "earn" it, but some of those same people were calling for a champion not named Orton, Cena or Triple H, so pick your poison. It was a genuine shock when he won and to take it straight off him would be worse than him never having won it at all, so they have to stick with him and have some faith.
I don't think he's disappointing them considering the position he's been put in. Sure he isn't setting the world of heel wrestling on fire, but he's also not horrible. I think people want him to lose and that's a draw in some ways. The worst thing a heel can do is make someone not watch, but I think with work people will tune in to hate on him. People can say letting him headline at Wrestlemania is a huge mistake but in all honesty who sees his match going last? Wrestlemania is going to draw regardless of who is defending what against who. It's Wrestlemania. HBK/Taker II, some combination of Cena, Bret Hart, Batista and Vince, Jericho/Edge, possibly a match between Legacy, Punk/Mysterio and the Money In The Bank are going to get people to watch, so let Sheamus have a go and if it sucks the crowd will let it be known and he'll not get another title reign.
Anyway, on to the actual topic, I think he's better than people give him credit. He's going to get a LOT of abuse because the belt was put straight on him when people feel he didn't "earn" it, but some of those same people were calling for a champion not named Orton, Cena or Triple H, so pick your poison. It was a genuine shock when he won and to take it straight off him would be worse than him never having won it at all, so they have to stick with him and have some faith.
I don't think he's disappointing them considering the position he's been put in. Sure he isn't setting the world of heel wrestling on fire, but he's also not horrible. I think people want him to lose and that's a draw in some ways. The worst thing a heel can do is make someone not watch, but I think with work people will tune in to hate on him. People can say letting him headline at Wrestlemania is a huge mistake but in all honesty who sees his match going last? Wrestlemania is going to draw regardless of who is defending what against who. It's Wrestlemania. HBK/Taker II, some combination of Cena, Bret Hart, Batista and Vince, Jericho/Edge, possibly a match between Legacy, Punk/Mysterio and the Money In The Bank are going to get people to watch, so let Sheamus have a go and if it sucks the crowd will let it be known and he'll not get another title reign.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
In what world did Christian deserve to go over Sheamus? Sheamus got a win over a established superstar in Christian and it doesn't matter that he was the ECW champion. The ECW Champion wasn't made to compete with the WWE champion because it would like bad on all fronts no matter who the WWE Champion may be. You may want to throw out the word "politics", but it looks like those who pushed Sheamus knew what they were doing.
JobMeOut2008
Dark Match Jobber
It appears not everyone is sure what the word "synchronic" means. It means analyzing a phenomenon at one point in time, in other words interpreting the factors of an event with time 'bracketed off.'
I understand that Sheamus had to win last night. He's the WWE champion. Yes it is scripted. Yes he's being built up.
The original poster lauded Sheamus as an exciting wrestler with good mic skills (I am paraphrasing)--he is not. If you don't like the Sheamus/Christian example, let's take one that will get everyone really fired up. Sheamus and Cena. I look at these two, and I see very minute differences. Both our muscled-up powerhouses, both growl and spit and yell before and after promos and matches, both have relatively (would you like counterpoints? Look at Angle and Styles) limited offenses.
