[Official] Roster Cuts & Acquisitions Thread

[justinept]

The idiocy of this comment isnt that Russo shouldn't want Randy Orton. Of course he should. The idiocy of this comment is that he wouldn't want Cena, Triple H, HBK or Taker.

John Cena is the closest thing professional wrestling has to a 1980's version of Hulk Hogan these days. I'm sure that statement is going to cause a lot of people to scream to the heavens. But the fact is, his merchandise sells like crazy, and of all the current wrestlers (non Hogan, of course), he has most infilitrated the mainstream media. Why wouldn't TNA want that guy?

For that matter, why wouldn't he want UT? This company has brought in second-rate, aging stars like Sean Waltman and the Nasty Boys. They've brought back psuedo-legends like Scott Hall. They've even brought back legit legends who can't work anymore like Ric Flair. They couldn't find a place for a legit legend like UT - or even HBK - who can still wrestle?

I truly appreciated all the kudos given to Vince Russo, especially since I've never read the book or seen the interview that gave him credit for all those angles that one poster claims he was responsible for.

Instead of giving you a plethora of examples of what Russo accomplished during his WWE/WCW run, I'll start quoting one of the few guys who has an opinion that matters in this situation. Eric Bischoff.

Bischoff's book says that Russo was brought to WCW to save the company. Russo sold the WCW brass on the idea that he was solely responsibile for WWE's turnaround. He goes on to say that every wrestler who worked for VKM t one point laughed at that idea as VKM is so ridiculously hands on that it is nearly impossible to be solely responsible for anything in that company. Bischoff says that this was evident to him within five minutes of joining WWE earlier this decade.

Bischoff does credit Russo with having a sick mind that teases a lot of macabre angles. He also believes that Russo was only successful in WWE because he had McMahon breathing down his neck and keeping his ego in check.

Lastly, Bischoff states in his book that he can't trust Russo. That he doesn't like Russo. That he can't work with Russo. I'm interested to see how that turns out since Hogan more than likely feels the same way. The real question here shouldn't be who Russo would like to bring to TNA ... it shouldn't be a debate on Russo's accomplishments ... It should be a pool on when people think Russo will get axed by his new bosses.

I know for a fact that this will never happen. HHH and Orton are pretty good friends, and the last 2 times they were in St. Louis they were seen a restaurant by someone close to me and actually had a conversation with the 2 of them, so I am pretty sure he isnt going any where being buds with Vinnie Mac's son in law. That alone does say alot to me. And again I will say this one more time Russo is an Idiot and nothing anyone here says can change my mind on that one.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I wouldn't say "never" and then back it up by saying that Orton/HHH are friends. Remember, Triple H's best friends are Scott Hall, Sean Waltman and Kevin Nash.

I think as long as VKM wants Orton in WWE, Orton will be in WWE... unless something crazy happens.

 

[Stuntz]

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I wouldn't say "never" and then back it up by saying that Orton/HHH are friends. Remember, Triple H's best friends are Scott Hall, Sean Waltman and Kevin Nash.

I think as long as VKM wants Orton in WWE, Orton will be in WWE... unless something crazy happens.

Whole heartedly agree however look at what they did when they left originally. They wanted more money and Turner gave it to them, and it pissed Vince off, I really don't see Randy making that mistake, as he knows where his home is. And Randy and H a year ago or so were at the restaurant with their wives, which I thought was interesting at the time. I believe it was a PPV cant remember.

 

[King Douche]

Well, I know if Orton is in TNA, his IED character would be done right with Vince Russo as the writer. WWE teased the fans with it going into Mania, and did their usual "Abandon something while it's hot" and did what they do best-- "Water things down".

Russo would turn up the knob full blast on Orton, because he likely saw what we see, the person with the greatest potential in wrestling history to pull off a psychotic character. Orton's demeanor and his facial reactions were absolute gold.

So I would definitely like to see a return of this character, and I know Russo wouldn't let us down with letting that character go, like McMahon did.

Yeah I think Orton be used great in TNA with the IED gimmick. Imagine him going all crazy like he did earlier last year. Why oh why did Vince ditch that gimmick of Orton's.

 

[justinept]

Whole heartedly agree however look at what they did when they left originally. They wanted more money and Turner gave it to them, and it pissed Vince off, I really don't see Randy making that mistake, as he knows where his home is. And Randy and H a year ago or so were at the restaurant with their wives, which I thought was interesting at the time. I believe it was a PPV cant remember.

True. Hall/Nash did want more money. But at that point, Triple H wasn't VKM's son-in-law. Now before I start sounding as if I'm pushing your argument, I wasn't necessarily referring to the time Hall/Nash left for WCW. I was referring to their TNA stints. If VKM wanted those guys back, then I think they'd be back in WWE. That's my take on Orton, he's in the WWE so long as WWE wants him there.

 

[Supernova]

It was a hypothetical question, I don't see the big fuss - it was always going to be someone like Orton or Cena, someone with ability who isn't going to retire soon and isn't horrifically injury prone. He obviously admires Orton's work and for what it's worth I think Orton could do a very good job in TNA.

 

[I_AM_AWSOME]

randy will never jump ship even though that will be AWSOME but he is 2or 3 gen superstar. He paractically grew up with the wwf/e. Plus his get the big bucks in the wwe.

 

[JayBriscoe2010]

In the words of Tony Atlas , yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. This will umm NEVER happen. Orton is a company boy and a Triple H boy so this wont be happening. IF...IF it did it would put Mcmahon in cardiac arrest. Now on the other hand a possible surprise could be 1 Chris Jericho, it's just something I could see.

 

[Super Crazy]

Orton will never jump ship...EVER. It's nice to see Russo claims to want a top tier WWE talent in TNA. However, this would be a huuuuuuuuge step down for Orton and would not help TNA as much as people think it would. While Orton is the top heel in the WWE, I feel he'd lose all his momentum were he to suddenly jump ship. Plus it would really leave Legacy as a nothing tag team and no real way to get over again.

 

[I_Like_All_Wrestling]

I believe that I may have been one of the first to mention Brock Lesnar in an earlier thread. Let me clarify what I meant by that. I believe that a healthy UFC attached Lesnay has about a zero percent chance on returning to any form of wrestling, let alone TNA.

However, if his current injury/illness is one that will force him to retire from legits professional fighting, but may still allow for some form of physicality in the form of wrestling, I think that it might be interesting. Lesnar dominate college wrestling, he dominated professional wrestling, he was given a tryout in the NFL, and I believe was on the preseason squad, he bacame UFC champion. The guys done a lot. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to sit around and do nothing.

Now, if he could no longer compete in UFC but could wrestle, I think that TNA might be attractive to him. He would get a good salary, the TNA light schedule, and he would almost certainly be booked to win the title at some point. It would be a good way for him to work a reduced schedule, while making good money, and it TNA takes off huge he could have played a key component in it.

Like I said, I don't think that he WILL go to TNA, but if his pro fighting options become exhausted, I think the option is there.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Why would Orton go to TNA when he is the top heel in WWE? So what if Russo wants Orton in TNA? Great, but that doesn't mean he will jump over. It would be really good for TNA.... but not as great as some people might think. Orton's career would take a large step back if he went to TNA because he is already in such a great role in WWE. He'd easily get pushed to the top very quickly if he did make the jump, but he's ALREADY one of the top guys in the bigger federation. It doesn't matter what Russo says or wants, Orton will likely make the smart choice and stay in WWE because he is already the top guy in the world's biggest federation and will likely remain in that role for many years. The cons outweigh the pros, and there is no reason for him to jump to TNA.

 

[JOSHG85]

The big name who is debuting at Genesis on Sunday...........

It will be none other than Ken "Mr. Anderson" Anderson. According to Don Tony's, from the Don Tony & Kevin Castle Show, high up TNA source "Mr. Mystery".

They've been right about everything they've reported which includes Hardy & Flair being signed

 

[JOSHG85]

Anderson has the potential to be a great signing for TNA...hopefully he's brought in as a heel. A teaming between Tomko and Anderson could be really great.

Tomko being the muscle to Andersons cocky cowardly heel.

 

[NSL]

If Ken Kennedy appears Sunday, I'll cry. I really hope it isn't him.

With any luck, it'll be RVD, and he'll be the mystery opponent for Amazing Red. How great would it be to see RVD in that ring? And, how great would it be to see RVD with some gold around his waist? He's the one guy that could walk out Sunday, and not disappoint me in the slightest.

 

[Hacksaw Highway]

Now, this is purely speculation, but with Kendrick in TNA (I assume he's got some sort of deal and his PPV matchw asn't just a one-off) would you like to see him reform his old WWE tag team with Paul London? I know that TNA as of late has been too full of washed up, cast off WWE guys (Val Venis, Orlando Jordon, Hall and X-Pac, etc.) but London and Kendrick are a team that I think would really suit TNA. The 2 guys are high flying and talented enough to work as a tag team as well as in random X-division clusterfucks, and both are well known on the indy circuit and have reputations as good wrestlers unlike the afforementioned WWE rejects. A feud with The Machine Guns, Generation Me, or both could have some amazing matches IMO, especially if some gimmciks like ladder matches or Ultimate X are brought in. SO my question is: reform London and Kendrick, yes or no?

 

[Maggot01]

i would love to see London and Kendrick as a tag team in TNA it would be amazing to see The Guns vs Generation Me vs London and Kendrick that match would be epic

 

[Skorpiunz]

Now, this is purely speculation, but with Kendrick in TNA (I assume he's got some sort of deal and his PPV matchw asn't just a one-off) would you like to see him reform his old WWE tag team with Paul London? I know that TNA as of late has been too full of washed up, cast off WWE guys (Val Venis, Orlando Jordon, Hall and X-Pac, etc.) but London and Kendrick are a team that I think would really suit TNA. The 2 guys are high flying and talented enough to work as a tag team as well as in random X-division clusterfucks, and both are well known on the indy circuit and have reputations as good wrestlers unlike the afforementioned WWE rejects. A feud with The Machine Guns, Generation Me, or both could have some amazing matches IMO, especially if some gimmciks like ladder matches or Ultimate X are brought in. SO my question is: reform London and Kendrick, yes or no?

If a wrestler goes from WWE to TNA, performs better, gains more popularity, as is generally more entertaining, that makes them washed up? I dont mean the old guys cuz thats a whole other argument but other stars such as kennedy and kendrick are not at all washed up..

People need to get over the fact that stars are going to switch companies. No one calls a baseball player washed up cuz he goes to another cities team..

 

[wiKid hoRse]

well london was in TNA before his wwe stint so he would fit in quite well and probably shouldn't be considered a 'e reject maybe more like he is coming home. He might finally be allowed to do his shooting star press again (it's easily as good as evan bourne's). Imagine the great tag matches they could have with generation me, mcmg and leathal consequences. Spot fest city. Would be awesome

 

[mister_b1LL]

If I may correct you, wiKid hoRse, London's finisher was the 450 Splash. Is it possible you may be thinking of Billy Kidman?

Anyways, the return of Londrick would be an awesome thing to see in TNA. If MCMG ever get the Tag Titles, I definitely would love to see that match that maggot01 suggested: MCMG vs. Gen. Me vs. Londrick for the Tag Titles.

Even just Londrick vs. the guns would be great considering that I always used to think the Guns were TNA's answer to Londrick in WWE. Identical ring attire, same high flying movesets, you know what I mean?

 

[bigpawpa27]

I would have to agree that having London & Kendrick in TNA would be a good thing for both of them. the matches they could have with MCMG & Generation Me would be something that fans would love to see. Maybe it'll maybe it won't only time will tell.

 

[wiKid hoRse]

If I may correct you, wiKid hoRse, London's finisher was the 450 Splash. Is it possible you may be thinking of Billy Kidman?

nope. it was a shooting star press. he called it the london calling (after the clash song i guess).he used the ssp priot to wwe. he was paired up with kidman when he first started in the wwe so couldn't use the move (but he did when they had a feud on ppv) the 450 was his wwe finisher till that got banned too.

was a fan of his from the first nwa tna match i saw him in (against sabin from memory). shame he found the vince dieing in a car explosion funny and smiled on camera. he might still be in the wwe.

 

[Ranajay]

Kendrick and Sonjay Dutt would make a great team! They should bring him back!

 

[TheIcon2]

Most def. Both have a great upside and both can work.

The whole WWE/TNA thing means nothing to me. I don't care if you work GLOW wrestling. If you can work a match still then Im all for it.

 

[JBSMan]

If I may correct you, wiKid hoRse, London's finisher was the 450 Splash. Is it possible you may be thinking of Billy Kidman

Why correct someone when they're right? Paul London has one of the best SSP's in the business.


And as for the topic, yes, I'd absolutely love Londrick in TNA, there are a few teams they could have great matches with. I see no reason for them not to do it. (unless London doesn't actually come in, that might prevent it)

 

[NSL]

Paul London wouldn't be a bad pick up, but is he really needed? The only real thing he'd bring to the table is a Shooting Star Press, and he never did it that much after injuring Chavo.

He doesn't have any mic skills, and he doesn't have a ton of character. He's blend in to the X Division, instead of standing out. You don't hire someone to blend in. You hire them to make a name for the company.

 

[colalella2891]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...helms-and-matt-hardy-asking-for-their-release

The article on this potential rumor is available above.

So, the rumor is that Matt Hardy and Helms may follow Jeff and Moore to tna. Apparently this rumor is legit, but read the article.

IMO i hope they jump ship, they're both majorly under used in the WWE. What do you all think about this rumor? Is it good for tna? Good for them? Will they actually get pushes they both deserve?