Official Raw/Smackdown Aftermath, Ratings and Review Thread

[pepentorresHHH]

First of all, this is not a thread about ryback´s match with cm punk at hell in a cell, there is a nice thread about it at the wwe ppv section....

We saw the contract signing, and John Cena said he wants a shot at the title but Ryback needs to gets his ass wiped so he surrendered his claim for the wwe championship. Now, I know that Cena is injured and thats why he isnt the one challenging for the title but what intrigued me the most is how the contract signing went by.....

Last year on his feud with Del Rio, Cena proclaimed the title meant more than life itself , but now he just surrendered the shot to ryback, he might be injured but shouldnt we recieve some sort of rational justification for this? why not say he is injured? why not have punk injure him again? why not have ryback hurt him and beat him in a number one contender match?

Did you feel this was weird too? Discuss.....

 

[Nate DaMac]

First of all, this is not a thread about ryback´s match with cm punk at hell in a cell, there is a nice thread about it at the wwe ppv section....

We saw the contract signing, and John Cena said he wants a shot at the title but Ryback needs to gets his ass wiped so he surrendered his claim for the wwe championship. Now, I know that Cena is injured and thats why he isnt the one challenging for the title but what intrigued me the most is how the contract signing went by.....

Last year on his feud with Del Rio, Cena proclaimed the title meant more than life itself , but now he just surrendered the shot to ryback, he might be injured but shouldnt we recieve some sort of rational justification for this? why not say he is injured? why not have punk injure him again? why not have ryback hurt him and beat him in a number one contender match?

Did you feel this was weird too? Discuss.....

First off, Cena vs. Ryback would be a potentially huge match. You don't want to blow your wad on that on TV.

Other than that though, you have a point. I thought it was weird booking. I have to assume that Cena's just too hurt to do it, but they could have went another to get there rather than have Cena just verbally blow Ryback. McMahon could have just chosen him? He thinks he can hurt Punk more than Cena since Cena's just coming off an injury and Ryback is a tank?

It was just... odd.

 

[The Brain]

It was a little strange. I don't like when someone voluntarily surrenders a title match but this wasn't too bad. Although it was odd for Cena to give up a possible shot he helped to put Ryback over more than he already is. It never hurts to get an endorsment from the top guy in the company and Ryback definitley got that tonight.

 

[Hard Hit Prince]

I also thought that the main event segment was a little bit odd. But other than that I loved the show and specially Miz vs Kofi Kingston feud. I may be turning into a mark, but The Miz is my favorite guy on the stick, and I will watch this Wednesday Main Event just for the good amount of hype they gave them.

As for Dolph Ziggler, I don't even know where the WWE is going with him. Is he in a program that I don't know off? Even Heath Slater has something somehow relevant.

Also, did anybody noticed the fact that CM Punk used some "references" to the punch he gave last week to the fan?

 

[Nada]

Of all the people on the roster to feed Ryback and they put in their MITB winner? Someone must really hate Dolph Ziggler over there, guy has not won a match in forever.

RAW was not as good as last week's, but i wasent expecting it to be either. Putting Ryback against CM Punk already has them booked into a corner, Ryback likely does not have the chops to be champion, but if he losses he losses his only "thing" him being undefeated.

At least AJ Lee is no longer the central figure of the show, why they made her GM is beyond anyone, why not William Regal or Heyman or hell even JBL?

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I thought Raw was a solid show overall last night. I could've done without Ziggler & Otunga vs. Ryback as it did nothing but waste time. At least Ziggler wasn't fed to Ryback, but it was still a waste of him. Otunga saying he deserved a title shot is a joke as the only guy he hasn't jobbed to is Hornswoggle and they might get around to that one of these days. Del Rio vs. Brodus Clay wasn't much either but it did pretty much confirm that officials have lost interest in Brodus' current character.

I thought the rest of the show, however, was good. Show vs. Bryan was pretty solid, Punk teasing the crowd as to his decision was a fun touch. Santino & Ryder vs. the PTPs wasn't all that much, but it gave the heels a win to get back on track going forward. I'm still not sure what to make of 3MB. It's kinda fun but stupid at the same time. Cesaro vs. Gabriel was a very good 4 minute match that felt longer as both looked impressive here with a nice mesh of styles. Kane sort of mocking Matt Striker was good for a laugh and I think Kane is having fun with his current character as he's able to show a side of himself that we've not really seen before. The MizTV segment was well done and I thought Kofi did a good job on the mic. Miz was great and while Kofi wasn't out of this world good, again, he showed that he's got ability. Sheamus vs. Wade Barrett was another long, strong, 3.25 star physical match. I really like watching them wrestle each other and Barrett gains more credibility each week. The Divas Championship match was actually pretty good. It got some response from the fans and both women wrestled a good match. The controversial ending keeps the storyline going. Rhodes Scholars vs. Epico & Primo was a solid 7 minute tag match that had an old school feel to it from Rhodes & Sandow. While the crowd wasn't really into it, given that Epico & Primo aren't really players in the WWE, it was a good use of television time. Kofi vs. Miz was a good back and forth match. Miz absolutely got rocked with Kofi hit Trouble in Paradise. Miz was cut open a little and I'm not sure if the actual idea was for Kofi to win or not but Miz was out of it. Not sure how this will effect the match on Wednesday. The contract signing was a bit odd, as others have said, but not in a bad way. I've been mixed on the whole situation as if Cena competed then they run the risk of further injuring him and Ryback isn't ready to be champ and not winning against his first real challenge could hurt him. Cena endorsing Ryback was a nice touch and stepping aside is probably the smart move in the long run. Ryback mugging Punk and hitting Shellshocked was a nice way to send the crowd home happy. I don't think any of us are completely sure as to what's going to happen with them at HIAC and, to be honest, that does add a little extra spice to the match.

All in all, I give last night's show a solid B. Good hype for HIAC, overall good wrestling action, mostly good use of the extra time, solid promo segments and some interesting hooks heading towards HIAC.

 

[FarFromFine]

Punk for sure referenced the fan twice. That trouble in paradise from Kofi was the most legit we've seen since the Brock on Cena hit a few months ago. I think in general that Raw was the worst in a while and, as a big Punk fan, Punk is beginning to get stale (you can only say "best in the world" so much) and even D-Bry/Kane is getting old, but I have faith that they will find a way to make it interesting before the PPV. If not I'll gladly eat my words.

 

[Kenneth]

I don't know where to post this but didn't Vince say he was going to have a match with Heyman on Raw? I may have misunderstood what was said though.

I enjoyed some parts of Raw this week but the show felt a lot longer than three hours to me.

 

[Mustang Sally]

I don't know where to post this but didn't Vince say he was going to have a match with Heyman on Raw? I may have misunderstood what was said though.

Yes, that slipped by me, too. They talk about how there are script changes even as the show is being aired, but they should at least give an explanation to something as obvious as that.

Also, wasn't the contract signing supposed to feature McMahon choosing Punk's opponent at HIAC? How is it that Cena wound up doing it? And why did he voluntarily give up the match to Ryback? Yes, we know about Cena's recovery from surgery going slower than expected, but the way the scene played out, it looked as if Cena felt Ryback was the more suitable opponent.

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

Last night continued the Gabriel matches were both good matches from beginning to end. The stuff with Miz and Kofi is good and that Trouble in Paridise connected and opened Miz up and looked to have possibly concussed him. The main event segment was ok. Don't know how they are going to have the match play out. When I heard Punk and Heyman call Ryback "The Next Big Thing" it got me to thinking that maybe Brock interfers at HIAC on Punk's behalf so Punk can retain and Brock can have a program at some point with Ryback. Best part of the main event segment was Ryback slamming Punk's head against the table. It just came off real good.

 

[Irig]

Punk losing to Ryback affects wwe business. Punk vs Rock. Punk vs Austin or maybe even Punk vs Taker. So Ryback should be replaced last minute is what i hope. Ryback vs Punk and Big Show vs Shemous wont sell much but Punk vs Shemous and Big Show vs Ryback might ithink. That said HIAC hasn't looked exciting so far for this viewer after they made that main event at Raw. Raw overall was below par and last weeks momentum seems to have been lost here. Hope they can finish off good before HIAC

 

[kcoe24]

As for the Heyaman Vince match. I think Vince was just joking to scare Heyman i don't think if they rewrote raw that they'd cut that match out but who knows. The show was okay. It did seem abit longer than usually thou but overall it was ok. Some of you were asking why Cena gave up his spot. Obviously John Cena is not healthy enough to compete in a match so they had to give it to Ryback (only other option) and how believeable would it be that Vince choice Ryback over Cena for a match. I disagree with some in that I think Ryback vs Punk will sell as most casual fans love Ryback and want to see punk get his ass kicked.

Byfar the best part of the show was Miz TV it just sucks that there match is this week and that there not building it up twords a ppv and i don't know if it was a planned spot or Kofi acted on the fly but that trouble in Paradise was very dangerous don't know who to blame but you can't let that happen again.

And why does wwe keep teasing us with Barret Sheamus. It just makes me even more pissed off that he's facing big show. Imagine Barret vs Sheamus inside a hell in a Cell just pisses me off thinking about it.

 

[The Eighties]

I haven't watched Raw in a few months and have only seen the stupid Punk/Cena/Hart segment and awesome Foley/Punk promo. I knew Punk would be booked as the standard whiny chickenshit all WWE heels are booked as but the fact he's now wrestling the walking roid Ryback in a PPV main event because some marks like the moronic "Feed me more" chant is a new low.

I could hardly believe what I was reading as I scanned the site for the first time in a while, so now the faces are Cena, the jolly green red head and Roidback? ouch.

 

[CJH]

I thought it was a good show overall. Ryback is getting over pretty quickly.

And, damn, the crowd usually craps on a Divas match with silence, but two different guys who were at the show sent live reports to a couple of the major wrestling sites and mentioned that some people were mocking the match by sarcastically chanting "This is awesome". I thought last night that it possibly was meant as sarcasm since they were chanting it at a resthold. Apparently, it was.

 

[Canadian Dragon]

I thought it was a good show overall. Ryback is getting over pretty quickly.

And, damn, the crowd usually craps on a Divas match with silence, but two different guys who were at the show sent live reports to a couple of the major wrestling sites and mentioned that some people were mocking the match by sarcastically chanting "This is awesome". I thought last night that it possibly was meant as sarcasm since they were chanting it at a resthold. Apparently, it was.

Sorry to burst your bubble of innocence, but they were chanting that because it was a rather sexy resthold. Notice how it was all teens/young men yelling "this is awesome" while Layla's was in that head scissor. Overall it was actually a decent match, though the ending wasn't exactly smooth.

 

[CJH]

Sorry to burst your bubble of innocence, but they were chanting that because it was a rather sexy resthold. Notice how it was all teens/young men yelling "this is awesome" while Layla's was in that head scissor. Overall it was actually a decent match, though the ending wasn't exactly smooth.

I don't think the whole arena going "This is awesome" as in "This match is amazing" and a few guys going "This is awesome" as in "Ooh, good spank material when I get home" are really comparable but okay.

And I was just going to by what people who were there also called it. Guys who were at Raw later referred to it as sarcasm, and since it happened during a very slow point, it's certainly not the most ridiculous conclusion.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

WWE Raw - October 23. 2012

1. Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara vs. Team Rhodes Scholars in the WWE Tag Team Championship #1 Contender's Tournament Finals - Very solid effort from these teams that was ultimately what I was hoping for and expecting. Two very different teams with two very different styles and all four worked hard to make the styles mesh together. It was a classic example of a team of high flyers against more ground & pound mat wrestlers. The end comes soon after Mysterio hits 619 and Dropping the Dime on Rhodes for a believable near fall. Sandow interrupts the count at the very last possible instant. The action breaks down a bit afterward with Sin Cara focused on Sandow. Rhodes comes up from behind Mysterio and hits Cross Rhodes for the clean win about the 11.5 minute mark to become #1 contenders for the WWE Tag Team Championship. **3/4

2. Kofi Kingston vs. Michael McGuillicutty - Not realy much to say about this match. It only went about 2.5 minutes and, with Miz out there doing commentary, I was kind of hoping that this would be longer. McGuillicutty controlled much of the match and hit some nice looking offense before Kofi comes back to hit Trouble in Paradise for the win. He & Miz have something of a staredown as Kofi celebrates inside the ring. I guess this is all the hype their match is getting on the show. *1/4

John Cena & CM Punk - Another quality promo segment featuring these two. Cena comes out and does his thing for a bit before turning his attention to CM Punk. Cena puts over Ryback well during his promo and having another active star on the roster that isn't a manager sort of act as your mouthpiece a little, especially Cena, has a strange feeling to it. Not bad strange, but it goes along with WWE keeping something of the mystique about Ryback being this mostly silent destroyer. Punk comes out to interrupt Cena and puts down pretty much everyone from the New York Giants to the fans to Cena to Ryback. Punk puts over his title reign and insults Cena a bit by suggesting that maybe Cena can't really beat him. Cena then claims that he's medically cleared and challenges Punk to a fight. As Punk is making his way to the ring, Paul Heyman is in his ear telling him he doesn't need to do this as he's got Ryback this Sunday and that he doesn't fight for free. Punk has his shirt off and is about to step in when Heyman succeeds. Punk jumps down from the apron and holds up his title while backing off with the crowd booing the crap out of him. Just a good, solid segment all around to keep the Cena vs. Punk feud still fresh in people's minds while hyping the WWE Championship match at HIAC. Thumbs Up

3. Justin Gabriel vs. Antonio Cesaro - Pretty good, physical match from these two. I don't think it was quite as good as their match on SD! recently, but they still put in a good deal of action into the match for the 5 minutes it lasted. Both wrestlers were given a chance to get in a pretty good amount of offense and ultimately looked good. Cesaro is also doing a good job as the foreigner that greatly dislikes America while being United States Champion. Towards the end, there's a sequence between the two on the top rope that I thought was quite well done. Both men were tenacious, delivering some good physical shots while trying to be the one to gain the advantage. Gabriel ultimately gets the best of the exchange and winds up hitting the 450 Splash for the upset win. Gabriel gets a pretty decent response from the fans after winning. Cesaro sells his frustration at suffering only his second loss as a singles competitor afterward. They'll probably announce a title match for HIAC between these two later tonight or possibly on SD! this Friday. I think they could have some really good matches if given 10 or 15 minutes. **1/4

Raw GM Announcement - I'm mixed on this segment. On one hand, I really like how good AJ is at conveying and selling her emotions through her facial expressions and body language. On the other, removing her as Raw GM and just replacing her with Vickie Guerrero feels kinda weak, especially with Vickie being given some sort of different job title that's ultimately the same as GM anyhow. Paul Heyman did a nice job of trying to be a suck up out there and, personally, I would've liked to have seen him get the job. I knew it wouldn't happen, but it could've been fun. Vickie continues to get great heat whenever she gets on the mic. It got so loud at one point you could hardly hear her. The confrontation she had with AJ was just a little odd, but I guess it does go along with the "crazy chick" character. AJ being accused of having an affair with another star on the roster, while she's been GM, might be intriguing or it could be flat out weak. Thumbs In The Middle

4. Ryback vs. The Miz - I was disappointed with this whole set up. I don't see why they wanted to make Miz look like a complete chump here when he has a title match of his own this Sunday. I'm someone that's long since gotten over the novelty of Ryback being this unstoppable force that beats everyone in front of him within a few minutes. Miz got in practically no offense before Ryback demolished him. I just hope and pray that they don't do this with Dolph Ziggler this coming Wednesday on Main Event. NA

Diva Segment - This was a brief backstage segment featuring Eve, Kaitlyn and Layla. Eve is talking on her phone with someone when Kaitlyn comes up behind her and pulls out her own phone. She tells Eve that she can drop the act and that she copied some sort of email from her iPad, as we saw on SD! this past Friday, so she knows it was her. Eve flips out and smacks Kaitlyn but Kaitlyn gets the upper hand and smashes Eve into a nearby table. Layla pops up and tries to break it up but Eve pushes her from behind. She screams "are you kidding" before she & Katilyn begin beating Eve down for a bit before the refs come to break it up. I like this simple storyline they've got going on with the Divas. The Divas Division all in all is better than it's been in a while as we've gotten to see some actual matches and there's an honest to goodness storyline happening. Thumbs Up

5. Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler - Great effort from two men that can flat out go inside the ring. To me, this is one of those tv matches that you see every now and then that feels like it could go another 10 or 15 minutes longer than it did without it getting at all stale. Great back & forth stuff from both men and the live crowd agreed as well, as a pretty loud "this is awesome" chant could be heard. When I saw that Ziggler was the one facing Bryan after coming back from commercial, I kept muttering to myself "please give this match some time". Kane comes out to ringside at one point and I'm glad that he didn't do anything to end the match as he was just trying to support Bryan. Ziggler hits a great faceplant move off the top rope on Bryan near the end of the match for a nice near fall. Both guys looked versatile and tough throughout as they took many of each other's best moves. Bryan hits Ziggler with a roundhouse kick but is unable to follow up. Kane is leading a "Yes!" chant as a means of supporting Bryan but he misinterprets what's happening. He thinks Kane is leading a chant to humiliate him and get under his skin, which has been something of a cornerstone of Bryan's heel turn, and he's up on the second rope looking down at Kane angrily while doing his "No!" chant. Ziggler comes up from behind him, taking advantage of the distraction, and hits the Zig Zag from the second rope for the win at the 15 minute mark. Both guys looked strong here and Ziggler needed the win more here. I'd very much like to see a full blown singles feud between these two at some point down the road. ***1/2

Game Show Segment - I had a horrible feeling deep in the pit of my stomach when Matt Striker came out to talk to the tag champs. Bryan & Kane are in the midst of a heated argument that didn't have any comical overtones. Basically, Bryan accuses Kane of costing him the match while Kane says he was only trying to support Bryan. Striker says that Vickie Guerrero said that they were going to participate in some sort of anger management game show. I felt my nuts shrivel because I knew this could be horrible. Striker said that Team Rhodes Scholars would be their opponents. Kane & Bryan did do some of the funny comedy stuff, however, that's ultimately gotten this team over. Kane's dry sense of humor works for me. Rhodes & Sandow come out and, thankfully, Sandow puts down the whole idea while insulting Striker, the fans & Team Hell No in his own intellectual way before saying that they won't be competing in this thing. Rhodes gets on the mic and responds "what he said", which got a good laugh from the crowd. As they left, Sandow said "you're welcome" and I really was thanking him. As Kane & Bryan argue a bit before turning their attention to Striker, Striker gets out of the ring and smugly says as he reaches the ramp that he says he wishes that he could wish them luck this Sunday, but he really doesn't. He backs up and bumps into Big Show, who tosses him across the stage area before he heads down to the ring for his match with Kane. They didn't go through with the game show segment, Praise the Lord, and I'm glad to see that the tag team titles and the tag team picture as a whole have gotten so much attention since Bryan & Kane won the titles. Thumbs Up

6. Kane vs. The Big Show - The match was pretty much what I expected it to be. It wasn't a horrible match, but it wasn't something to get excited about either. Show controlled most of the match with Kane rallying several times throughout to gain some offense. Bryan is at ringside to support Kane and tries to rally the fans, which he does to some degree, but it's obvious that a lot of folks just aren't excited about seeing these two big, fairly slow guys wrestle. They do their best, however, and put on an ok outing. Rhodes & Sandow show up on the ramp and Bryan looks at them, as does Kane when he's setting up for a chokeslam. Show comes up behind Kane and hits the WMD, which I thought Kane sold well. Show gets the win at the 5.5 minute mark. Team Rhodes Scholars then attack Bryan on the outside with Kane out cold in the ring. They toss Bryan into the ring where Rhodes hits Cross Rhodes to leave Bryan laid out next to Kane. *3/4

AJ Backstage - After talking with Santino for a bit, John Cena comes up to AJ to say he's sorry for what's happened. He says that he'll be there for her if he needs her. Cena is confused as to why AJ isn't fighting these allegations of Vickie Guerrero before AJ says that the star she's accused of having the affair with is Cena himself. This presents some possibilities. It's something that's come out of nowhere and it makes me wonder where they're headed. Cena says that all they had was a "business dinner". I'm surprised they've done this so soon after Cena's divorce has been finalized. Now, I have some hope for this angle. I dunno exactly what it'll entail or where they go from here, but the fact that Cena is in the middle of it means that WWE will put some legit effort into making it work. Thumbs Up

7. Zack Ryder vs. Alberto Del Rio - We've seen this match a dozen times and it's always the same old thing. Nothing worth mentioning here. NA

. Sheamus vs. CM Punk in a Champion vs. Champion Lumberjack Match - Another strong outing featuring Sheamus & Punk. There were about 30 or so wrestlers outside the ring and, as expected, the heels would gang up on Sheamus whenever he was tossed out. I kept expecting this massive brawl to break out at ringside between the lumberjacks at one point so, thankfully, that didn't happen. Punk & Sheamus put on strong main event match that kept both men looking strong. At one point, the match almost ended exactly as their match on Main Event did several weeks back. Sheamus charges Punk in the corner, Punk trips him up and Sheamus smacks into the middle turnbuckle, only there's a pad on it this time rather than just the exposed bold. Punk rolls Sheamus up and grabs the tights for a very close two count. Both wrestlers get in a good amount of offense in and it's just a good physical match. There were several various counters with Punk getting out of Sheamus' moves, including the Cloverleaf. Sheamus finally delivers White Noise to Punk and sets up for the Brogue Kick. Cesaro suddenly enters the ring and eats the kick himself as does Jinder Mahal. Sheamus then goes for Punk, but Punk ducks out of the way and finds himself looking at Big Show, who has climbed up on the apron. She delivers a one armed chokeslam to Sheamus before jumping down. Punk makes the cover and scores the pin at the 18.5 minute mark. Immediately, Ryback's music hits and he makes his way down to the ring. Punk slithers backwards out of the ring only for the face lumberjacks to grab hold of him and push him back into the ring. Ryback begins to slaughter Punk with Punk trying to escape only for the lumberjacks to toss him back into the ring. Ryback showed a couple of awesome looking power moves, including a monster powerbomb on Punk, before pressing him up over his head and tosses him into the heel lumberjacks. Punk scrambles away as Ryback stands in the ring. ***1/4

Final Thoughts - I thought Raw was very strong overall last night and delivered good final hype for the WWE, World Heavyweight & WWE Tag Team Championship matches. The show also featured very strong wrestling action overall. The tag title tournament finals were very solid with both teams working well together. Bryan vs. Ziggler was the match of the night and Sheamus & Punk delivered another strong main event match. I was also surprised by Cesaro vs. Gabriel and I'm hoping this is the beginning of a program between the two. It was a good, solid match that delivered something of an upset ending. Ryback squashing Miz and Del Rio squashing Ryder did absolutely nothing for me. Kofi vs. McGuillicutty wasn't much, but it was ok for what it was. I was disappointed with the lack of hype for the IC title match as they've given it a good amount of focus these past few weeks. Hopefully, they'll pick up the slack on SD!. AJ being replaced as the Raw GM with Vickie Guerrero and AJ being accused of having an affair with the recently divorced John Cena has possibilities, we'll have to wait and see. The WWE is doing all they can to give the impression that Ryback will beat Punk this Sunday. While I don't think he will, they've created enough intrigue to make you wonder.

Grade: B+

 

[The Fabulous Rougeau's]

The biggest indicator that the shows are getting better for me has to do with the flow of the show. In the past few weeks I have found myself not feeling or thinking that the show is too long or dragging on. Instead, I find myself suprised when I notice the time and see I am either a third, half way or two thirds through the show.

For me, a strong endorsment of the 3 hour show is how it is feeling less and less drawn out.

 

[strongbad]

The biggest indicator that the shows are getting better for me has to do with the flow of the show. In the past few weeks I have found myself not feeling or thinking that the show is too long or dragging on. Instead, I find myself suprised when I notice the time and see I am either a third, half way or two thirds through the show.

For me, a strong endorsment of the 3 hour show is how it is feeling less and less drawn out.

I agree. In addition, I didn't even notice it until the Kane/Big Show match started, but Kane and DB had been ringside for literally 40 minutes by the conclusion of that match. The show has a lot of strong stories going for it at this point, a lot of which you want to see.

 

[Odisho]

I CAN GET BLOWJOBS FROM IT

IM NOT JOKING,

TNA is getting their rockets soaked so bad right now, WWE looks like that blonde **** u always wanted to bang in High School.

I have never seen WWE in such bad shape, it looks like a circle. With no corners, no edges, just complete boring crap. They took away the wrestling, they left us with just entertainment. But the entertainment part is begining to look like the the wrestling; CRAP.

im not saying the wrestlers suck, im saying the way WWE runs things suck.
I love wwe, and when ever i would se a problem i wouldnt complain. They have problems too, but now it looks like they dont even bother to fix their problems. Iv had enough of it.

RAW was horrible and boring this week. 3 hours felt like 6.

Rey Mysterio and Sin Cara vs Rhodes scholars was a great match, i cant complain about that. Although i thought the luchadors should have won.

Kofi Kingston VS Micheal Mcgilicutty= WWE is reprtedly high on Micheal, but what i dont understand is if your high on someone, why give them a match thats 2 minutes. Dont you want them to impress you. Also Kofi Kingston just won the IC championship, having a squash match is just unbelievable for kofi kingston. Hes suppose to be a GOOD-guy. Someone who wins in long and hard fought battles.

John Cena talks Im alright with Cena talking about CM Punk, but i hate when he acts like hes friends with the football team. Hes like TAZZ, when ever someone outside of wrestling makes an appearance in TNA, first thing tazz says is " MA MAN!!" Also i hate John Cena's smile. How are you suppose to be smiling when your a wrestler. A wrestler going to the ring smiling is like a soilder going to WW1 with all joy and happiness, it dosent make sence. But i really have nothing to say about cena-punk confrontation, because i didnt really care about it.

Justin Gabriel vs Antonio Cesaro Not a bad match, i just think it should have been longer. Although im not sure if it was the right time for an upset victory loss for Cesaro. But like Jim Ross said, ''Antonio has promised no American will ever beat him for the US title, let's see if a South AMERICAN can!''

AJ Lee resigns WOW, i am so shocked vikki guerrero is the new GM. Where have i seen this happen before The only thing that could have saved this segment would be if Paul Heyman was made GM and then he points at the ramp... The dudleys, RVD, Sabu, Sandman, Tommy dreamer came running down the ramp(dreams). Or if Vince made AJ Lee "BARK LIKE A DOG"(all of us have dreams like this)

Miz Vs Ryback Im sorry WWE, but not all of your viewers are short term memory patients. We saw this a month ago!, and worse of all the miz gets beaten in a minute. HOORAH

Dolph Ziggler VS Daniel Bryan Great match, i was expecting better out of these to after watching their match at Bragging Rights 2010, but it was still very good. Great way to make Daniel lose without losing momentum. The tag team game was just pointless(kind of like your penis... )

Kane vs Big Show Boring, the only thing i did like the way it showed how Kane and Daniel Bryan need each other.

Alberto Del Rio vs Zack Ryder
Is it normal when your ring announcer/manager is more entertaining than the wrestler. Waste of Time.

Cm Punk vs Sheamus LumberJack match Really, Really, Really... Hoorah, Hoorah, Hoorah. This is suppose to be your MAIN EVENT, if this is how matches are. Then why would people like wrestling This match would be better suited for midcard, or on Smackdowns mainevent. I thought Ryback should have destroyed every lumberjack, would have been fun to watch.

The reason why Ryback should win this sunday is because he was the only good thing about this segment. CM Punk is so boring. He`s only a good wrestler when hes facing cena, orton, or rey mysterio. CM Punk dissed AJ Styles a few months ago, Does CM Punk think hes really that good. AJ Styles can wrestle a million circles around CM Punk on a bad day.

The reason why i made this thread is to show you what i think of WWE`s condition right now. I really hope WWE dosent F its self up because im looking forward to The Rock at RR. What do you guys think of this raw. Am i the only one that feels this way.

And by the way, i know WWE ussually does better after crappy shows like this, But this weeks raw was like the worst of this years raws crumpled into a bundle and set on fire to smoke. Maybe Vince wants WWE to die with him...

 

[Danger Burger]

I CAN GET BLOWJOBS FROM IT

IM NOT JOKING,

Everyone relax, he IS joking!!

Many of last night matches were great, Ziggler and Bryan was one of the best matches ive seen in a long time. The tag match and the end of the night were pretty cool too.

The entertainments always been there, its always been predictable or cheesy, and the good guys ALWAYS smile (I swear I saw ryback try it too).

You can either view wrestling as the sum of its parts or as more than that. Each approach will provide a more optimistic assessment of the product. Give it a try.

Spoiler

You need to chill, and either put this kinda stuff in the Raw reaction thread, WWE complaints thread, spam thread, or consider trying to arrange your work so as to enhance debate and discussion. Look at the position youve put me, the casual reader, in. I've got nothing.

Welll.... nevermind then!

 

[Steve-O-Matt]

Well as WrestleZone has reported, RAW has dropped to it's lowest rating in 15 years. I commented on the page my initial reaction, but I figured I'd need to start a thread to get what's in my head on the screen. To this news the first thing that came to mind, which I'm sure came to nearly everyone's minds was "Holy s***!".

Raw dropping to the lowest in 15 years? This is has to be a major problem now. There has been slow decline in Raw for a while now, it's no secret. Something is obviously causing this to happen, there's got to be a reason(s) why things have gotten so bad. Someone needs to take a step back in the WWE and evaluate the product. They need to think "Okay, so fans like this and fans don't like that". That is their only course of action for something like this. Unless they want to ignore the fans and just assume they know what's best for them, which, in my opinion, is bull.

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Here's what I believe personally might be the cause. You can agree with me or disagree, feel free to reply. But it's got to be to the point that the WWE has... In a way abandoned the initial product. It's forgotten that it's a WRESTLING company. Wrestling being probably one of the most popular pass times for people, definitely not the most popular, but it's up there.

You can't just change the product bit by bit, because then you lose the people who were interested, anyway studying their product at the moment, it seems like they're not getting any more people interested in it.

The WWE are losing it's fans essentially. People used to tune in for the wrestling, they loved it, they loved the athleticism and the drama; and maybe some other qualities. The old fans however, didn't love the talking that went on for ages, they didn't love 'twitter feeds', they didn't love celebrities sticking their nose in. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the odd occasional celebrity, I mean who wouldn't love Mr. T in the same ring with CM Punk.

The WWE are changing the brand entirely to something which can't be defined, it's not exactly a drama, or a sport any more it's something completely different.

In short, imagine this scenario. When new people found their way to this product in the past, they knew it was wrestling, they thought to themselves, "Y'know what? I'm gonna give wrestling a go, see how that is... Wow, it's good I'm gonna keep watching." THAT is how they got more business.

Now imagine that same scenario, but the guy turns on to wrestling to see 20 minutes of talking, followed by what Dips*** McGee twatted about on his Twitter, they're gonna be like "This isn't wrestling, this is s***."

People want to tune into the WWE to see wrestling, if they ain't gonna see that quality product, they're gonna quickly f*** off somewhere.

IN EVEN SHORTER...

No guy has ever WANTED to tune into a show about Twitter, they do sometimes however want to see huge guys beating the snot out of each other in the most creative way possible (in comes wrestling).

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Anyway, these are my opinions, I may not have been clear or something, or you might disagree, or I probably have missed out a lot, but I wanna know everyone elses opinions, mainly:

Why has the WWE had such a huge decline?

Now there's probably a thousand reasons why, this, I believe is one of them, a major point, it's now your turn.

 

[LittleJimmy]

Well as WrestleZone has reported, RAW has dropped to it's lowest rating in 15 years. I commented on the page my initial reaction, but I figured I'd need to start a thread to get what's in my head on the screen. To this news the first thing that came to mind, which I'm sure came to nearly everyone's minds was "Holy s***!".

Raw dropping to the lowest in 15 years? This is has to be a major problem now. There has been slow decline in Raw for a while now, it's no secret. Something is obviously causing this to happen, there's got to be a reason(s) why things have gotten so bad. Someone needs to take a step back in the WWE and evaluate the product. They need to think "Okay, so fans like this and fans don't like that". That is their only course of action for something like this. Unless they want to ignore the fans and just assume they know what's best for them, which, in my opinion, is bull.

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Here's what I believe personally might be the cause. You can agree with me or disagree, feel free to reply. But it's got to be to the point that the WWE has... In a way abandoned the initial product. It's forgotten that it's a WRESTLING company. Wrestling being probably one of the most popular pass times for people, definitely not the most popular, but it's up there.

You can't just change the product bit by bit, because then you lose the people who were interested, anyway studying their product at the moment, it seems like they're not getting any more people interested in it.

The WWE are losing it's fans essentially. People used to tune in for the wrestling, they loved it, they loved the athleticism and the drama; and maybe some other qualities. The old fans however, didn't love the talking that went on for ages, they didn't love 'twitter feeds', they didn't love celebrities sticking their nose in. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with the odd occasional celebrity, I mean who wouldn't love Mr. T in the same ring with CM Punk.

The WWE are changing the brand entirely to something which can't be defined, it's not exactly a drama, or a sport any more it's something completely different.

In short, imagine this scenario. When new people found their way to this product in the past, they knew it was wrestling, they thought to themselves, "Y'know what? I'm gonna give wrestling a go, see how that is... Wow, it's good I'm gonna keep watching." THAT is how they got more business.

Now imagine that same scenario, but the guy turns on to wrestling to see 20 minutes of talking, followed by what Dips*** McGee twatted about on his Twitter, they're gonna be like "This isn't wrestling, this is s***."

People want to tune into the WWE to see wrestling, if they ain't gonna see that quality product, they're gonna quickly f*** off somewhere.

IN EVEN SHORTER...

No guy has ever WANTED to tune into a show about Twitter, they do sometimes however want to see huge guys beating the snot out of each other in the most creative way possible (in comes wrestling).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyway, these are my opinions, I may not have been clear or something, or you might disagree, or I probably have missed out a lot, but I wanna know everyone elses opinions, mainly:

Why has the WWE had such a huge decline?

Now there's probably a thousand reasons why, this, I believe is one of them, a major point, it's now your turn.

As you have stated there are many reasons as to the decline of WWE RAW rating but the one major one is something that takes place during the fall every year....MONDAY NIGHT FOOBALL!!! Let's not kid ourselves, the NFL is the most popular sport on the planet and if given the choice most people will go with MNF before they tune into RAW. Now in the case of last night, RAW had not only the NFL game to contend with but also Game 7 of a MLB playoff game and the final prez debate. Given all this going on I do not think the WWE should panic too much and realize that last night may be an glitch.

But in case it isnt (and let's face it, todays product is not good), WWE really needs to take a long look in the mirror about a what to do. After much thought there is something that can boost ratings. Now before everyone goes bat-shit crazy think about....the WWE will need to do something really big to get peoples attention....and that thing is......TURN JOHN CENA HEEL!!!! Maybe he can become a Paul Heyman guy. Now, before some on here comes up with the time honored arguement of "but he sells so many t-shirts" remember Hollywood Hogan made quite a bit of $$$ for WCW when he turned heel. Heel Cena can and will still make quite a bit of money for WWE....maybe more than as Super Cena.

Now, is this going to happen.....probably not but it is the only thing I can think of to dramatically bring ratings up. That and maybe bring Stone Cold Steve Austin back to active duty (hey, a guy can dream cant he?).

 

[Steve-O-Matt]

As you have stated there are many reasons as to the decline of WWE RAW rating but the one major one is something that takes place during the fall every year....MONDAY NIGHT FOOBALL!!! Let's not kid ourselves, the NFL is the most popular sport on the planet and if given the choice most people will go with MNF before they tune into RAW. Now in the case of last night, RAW had not only the NFL game to contend with but also Game 7 of a MLB playoff game and the final prez debate. Given all this going on I do not think the WWE should panic too much and realize that last night may be an glitch.

But in case it isnt (and let's face it, todays product is not good), WWE really needs to take a long look in the mirror about a what to do. After much thought there is something that can boost ratings. Now before everyone goes bat-shit crazy think about....the WWE will need to do something really big to get peoples attention....and that thing is......TURN JOHN CENA HEEL!!!! Maybe he can become a Paul Heyman guy. Now, before some on here comes up with the time honored arguement of "but he sells so many t-shirts" remember Hollywood Hogan made quite a bit of $$$ for WCW when he turned heel. Heel Cena can and will still make quite a bit of money for WWE....maybe more than as Super Cena.

Now, is this going to happen.....probably not but it is the only thing I can think of to dramatically bring ratings up. That and maybe bring Stone Cold Steve Austin back to active duty (hey, a guy can dream cant he?).

Erm... The beginning was, let's say not that thought out on that post.

(NFL most popular sport on the planet? No. The US of A is the only country that gives a f*** about NFL, some other countries might take a glance, but why would anyone care if it's a sport which is American vs. America every time, that's why Football (Soccer) IS the most popular sport in the world, because every country contributes...

Not that I got that out of the way I hope you're still reading. Because I agree with you on the point that we need to make drastic changes to boost the ratings. John Cena going heel, maybe, but lets not limit ourselves for that. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it because Cena is so bland, him being face for so long is like a piece of gum you've been chewing for too long, no flavour.

But yes, drastic things like that, but not forgetting that they need to also focus on bringing back the 'wrestling', not the kind of bull where in every 3rd match someone runs in the ring and cause a DQ, no no, a decent match. I'm talking bell to bell athletes competing and showing impressive skills.

 

[a member of wwe universe]

As you have stated there are many reasons as to the decline of WWE RAW rating but the one major one is something that takes place during the fall every year....MONDAY NIGHT FOOBALL!!! Let's not kid ourselves, the NFL is the most popular sport on the planet and if given the choice most people will go with MNF before they tune into RAW. Now in the case of last night, RAW had not only the NFL game to contend with but also Game 7 of a MLB playoff game and the final prez debate. Given all this going on I do not think the WWE should panic too much and realize that last night may be an glitch.

I hope next week ratings stays within 2.5 because i whole heartedly believe the cause of the plummet ratings are lack of star power, lack of credible division (yes they're beginning to build on it) and lack of quality storylines. Most of all 3 hours is too long for a medicore show for ppl to go through.

MNF has always been around. No excuse. Raw has always compete against MNF along with another major event from nhl, mlb, nba whatever. And raw have never suffered below to 2.5-2.7 range. Yes theres also the presidential debate so definitely it played a significant factor.

How i view this is if this was a monday night raw from 2002-2004 (forget attidue era) it would have dropped to 2.8 max. A 2.48 just says the changes wwe making arent working and effective. The current overall product at this momment is declining. Of course i cant prove that until the release of next week ratings result. If it stays within 2.5 - 2.8, i consider a fail.