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Official Raw/Smackdown Aftermath, Ratings and Review Thread

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Just a small note from Friday's Smackdown: In the montage of pictures of the superstars at the beginning of the show, Tyson Kidd's image has been removed. He wasn't on the show, either, although that might mean he just wasn't on the European tour.

But if having one's image removed means something.....look out below, Tyson.
 
Best line of the night from Booker T. During the opening segment when Christian and Wade Barrett jumped Orton and Sheamus music hits and he runs down. Booker T, with almost perfect timing, "can the brother with the bro stache join this party". Hilarious. SD! is slowly getting on par with RAW as far as overall product. Nothing beats a live show, but they are the best #2 out there.
 
Just caught up with SD. I thought it was another good episode. IMO SD has been better than Raw for a while. Raw has been pretty shitty since the walkout.

-I liked the opening segment. They explained why Barrett was made captain. Which I thought they needed to do. And they setup the main event.

-Orton vs Barrett was a very good main event. Thats a big win for Barrett. Looks like he is getting pushed to become the next heel champ after Henry.

-Christian vs Sheamus was a really good match. Christian needs a bodyguard or something to help him win more matches. Because with his current gimmick he isn't going to win much one on one, without cheating.

-Bryan vs Henry segment and match were good. This may sound a little odd. But Bryan standing up to Henry and then getting his ass kicked makes him look good. :lmao:. I dont think they are setting up a WM match between the two. I just think they are using Henry to try to help DB get over with the crowd.

-I'm tired of the Aksana/Long segments. Those segments have going on a little too long. IMO they need a new GM on SD. Long is stale as the SmackDown GM. And the Ezkiel Jackson promo was just a waste of time.
 
The only thing I left this show with was the conundrum of which show was worse? 'Turning Point' or 'Raw'

Enough I don't give a shit moments to last a life time tonights Raw was a complete waste of time from top to bottom (spare Del Rio/CM Punk which is actually starting progress nicely, though not in a spectacular fashion). The was so much wrong with this whole Raw, what with the waste of Mick Foley & destroying the legacy of one of the best TV moments in the 90s when they re-visited 'This Is Your Life' I'm sorry but part of what made that segment great in the first place was The Rock's treatment of his past with his put downs, Cena just stank the whole segment up by being Cena.

The were no good matches, I can assure you & well it was all just there and pointless and BLAHHHH... also R-Truth & The Miz look even worse then they did last week, HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE! 2/10
 
I noticed that Cena got basically no pop and that the Boston crowd was clearly in the Rock's corner. I think WWE thought by having this event in Boston, Cena's "hometown," Rock would draw the heat but it's obvious to me, that plan backfired.

It will be interesting to see how things play out at Survivor Series but if they don't change, I see Cena drawing major, major heat going into Wrestlemania.

Other than that observation, I'm not really sure what to think. That was a 3 hour RAW but I feel like it was a mish mosh and nothing really happened. For a send-off into Survivor Series show, this RAW was pretty average. The stuff with Foley was not funny at all and I myself, wanted to Rockbottom Foley.
 
Wow, RAW was absolutely horrible last night. I couldn't believe segment after segment what they thought they were doing. Even Punk was beyond annoying. The Rock/Cena team is worthless because once that team was announced the WWE inexplicably stopped painting Miz/Truth as any kind of a threat anyway.

It was a horrible RAW, and the WWE has no idea what they're doing with any of these stories. It's painful to watch. I wouldn't pay $1 to watch a PPV at this point. And you can trend that on Twitter.
 
Wow, RAW was absolutely horrible last night. I couldn't believe segment after segment what they thought they were doing. Even Punk was beyond annoying. The Rock/Cena team is worthless because once that team was announced the WWE inexplicably stopped painting Miz/Truth as any kind of a threat anyway.

It was a horrible RAW, and the WWE has no idea what they're doing with any of these stories. It's painful to watch. I wouldn't pay $1 to watch a PPV at this point. And you can trend that on Twitter.

Here's hoping they trend the entire PPV on Twitter this Sunday, play by play, FOR FREE. That seems to be the popular focus of the WWE nowadays. They just announced that they beat out all other twitter activity for shows on Monday. Wow, what an accomplishment (sigh).

Someone within the WWE organization needs to clue in the audience on their obsession with twitter. I didn't think it could get worse than when Cole kept plugging it, but hearing the Rock babble about it... a guy that showed up once in 7 months promoting that website, that's actually worse.
 
Haven't watched in years, so I see The Rock's on and I'm a huge Rock fan so I figure ill start watching again.

Wow this show was boring. After reading the replies in this thread for the past few weeks shows seems like Cena's replaced HHH for the boring dude main basically running the show.

I like HHH a lot more now after watching Cena. That was dumb to do the "This Is Your Life" segment... I just wonder if Mick is going to have anything else to do with the WWE or was he their to retread an old segment and get Rock bottomed for little to no reason.


I could be way off, but it looks like the WWE is using their boringness to make faces. Cm Punk comes in after Cole and JR waste 20 minutes... Rock comes in during a boring segment with Foley. So is this it? They are going to make the heels boring and just have faces call them on it?

Also another little observation. I thought the last Raw theme was bad, wow this ones awful they have now. So is CM Punks and Ortons the music is awful...
 
Really quite the letdown last night, Raw gets Rocked was not what we were expecting to say the least. Starting off the show with Coles challenge was not great, the whole thing was extremely stupid and not enjoyable in any way, Punk came out and shut him up which was nice but I still want those 10 minutes of my life back. Cody and Hunico vs Kofi and Cara was pretty entertaining but the highlight there was definitely seeing Cody with a new look of no mask but plenty of muscle, we say a new man in Cody and I loved it.

Christian's replacement was announced by Vicki, well she started to but then Dolph sacked up and announced it himself, really hope this is a sign he'll drop Vicki and be his own man soon. Mason Ryan came out and had a match with Ziggler and his awkwardness in the ring was hard to watch without wincing.

I was very happy to see Foley back but his segment with Cena sucked, definitely enjoyed Rocky coming out and giving Mick the Rock Bottom. Orton and Barrett's match was great though and finishing it up with both teams from survivor series fighting in the ring and pumping us up for this weekend.

Rocks stuff at the end was great but the rest of the show was very underwhelming and all the hype for nothing kind of killed this one. Boots To Asses.
 
Derrik and Maxine make me yech

Was that the match where we were introduced to what the girl called "the newest power couple" in that brief vignette?

That's quite a way to introduce new characters, huh? There was no build-up to their debut and we wind up being treated to a squash match in which one-half of the power couple becomes a small stepping stone in Ted DiBiase's long-awaited push.

Don't newly featured performers usually win their first match? Or has this guy been around and I just missed it?

Very strange.
 
I noticed that Cena got basically no pop and that the Boston crowd was clearly in the Rock's corner. I think WWE thought by having this event in Boston, Cena's "hometown," Rock would draw the heat but it's obvious to me, that plan backfired.

It will be interesting to see how things play out at Survivor Series but if they don't change, I see Cena drawing major, major heat going into Wrestlemania.

Other than that observation, I'm not really sure what to think. That was a 3 hour RAW but I feel like it was a mish mosh and nothing really happened. For a send-off into Survivor Series show, this RAW was pretty average. The stuff with Foley was not funny at all and I myself, wanted to Rockbottom Foley.
Are you drunk? how in the hell did having Rock upstage Cena TWICE make it look like they were going to have Rock draw heat? WWE isn't dumb, they know exactly what they're doing and Cena knows exactly what he's doing. Also, they book Raws waaaaaay in advance, so no, this wasn't some grand scheme to try to make Cena look good.

Also, no shit Rock outpopped Cena. Rock, like my sig says, is like a deadbeat dad. "No sorry I can't make it but I'll call you." then "Yes, I will definately be there". Then the kids (fans) get super excited and love him again because they never get to see him.

I thought it was a solid show. Everything made sense.

Really REALLY sick of the bitching on here. If you don't like watching wrestling....don't watch? It was a solid show, Raw is consistently top 3 in ratings every monday night in their timeslot year-round. Not a single other show can do that.

If you are going to say it was a bad show, explain why. Don't just say "I didn't like it, I thought it was boring". Explain why. If WWE did something that made sense but you just didn't like (the entire booking of Ziggler/Ryan) then say "I get why they did it, I just didn't like it".

The crowd was hot, had some good action and kept the stories going into Survivor Series. Punk is hot, the main event is hot, gonna be a good PPV in 16 or so hours.
 
I think last night's RAW was a good one. It didn't seem to have much break in the action, and the matches that were put together worked well. I thought the crowd was way into Ziggler and Punk, more so than I thought. And it seemed a little like the crowd wanted Ziggler to get that win. Ryder and Del Rio was something different to see, and we got to see a little bit of that aggressive Del Rio with him holding on to that arm bar. I think that needs to happen with Del Rio, a little more aggression. Also we see the small start of the Rhodes and Booker T feud. I'm glad Booker T didn't fight him right away, and he kept saying he has nothing against Rhodes, so that should be fun to see. That doesn't need to be for the title, but just something to further Rhodes. And we see the ending of the Awesome Truth, and looks like Truth is out for 30 days. Maybe that's why Awesome Truth wasn't getting as pushed as they could have been. Just a thought.
 
WWE Raw Supershow - November 21, 2011

Opening Segment - Really good work by Punk on the mic last night. He was able to easily make a connection with the audience by giving them something to relate to, such as his basic love of wrestling when he was growing up. I also thought he & JL played well off of each other and there's a really good clash of character personas. Punk is the rebel that wants change and he did a good job of ultimately labeling Johnny Ace as, basically, a soulless corporate ass that's only concerned with what management thinks is "best for the WWE". I also like the fact that they advertised and set up the WWE Championship rematch for next week's Raw, I think they need to set up title matches on tv, all titles in fact, more often like that. Punk also did a good job of helping put over Zack Ryder by telling Johnny that the fans wanted Ryder vs. Ziggler for the US Title. JL denying the request only puts more heat on him and makes the fans rally more behind Ryder. Setting Ryder up against Del Rio doesn't excite me all that much but I'm looking forward to the Punk vs. Ziggler match. Thumbs Up

1. Alberto Del Rio vs. Zack Ryder - Decent match while it lasted with the crowd firmly behind Zack Ryder. The match wasn't as good or as long as I'd hoped for because I figured that they were really gonna try to make Ryder look like he was in Del Rio's league but it didn't really work out that way. Del Rio did wind up getting the win via the armbar submission. I wasn't surprised by the outcome as Del Rio needed the win for some momentum going into his rematch with Punk next week and Del Rio did just lose the WWE Championship after all so it's perfectly logical that he'd beat Ryder. *1/2

2. Sheamus vs. Jack Swagger - Solid, physical 5 minute match here. Both of them got in a good amount of offense and did pack a lot of action into the time they were given. It felt more like a 10 minute match, in a good way. I liked Swagger's aggression here, it's something he's shown a lot of the past several weeks. Now if only WWE actually has him win a match now and again. Swagger avoided Sheamus' Brogue Kick late in the match and locked in the ankle lock for a bit for a nice little spot before Sheamus is able to power out. Sheamus' second Brogue Kick connects and gives him the win. **1/4

Kevin Nash - Solid though unremarkable promo from Nash. Basically, the promo was something of recap regarding what's happened so far with Triple H. Nash brought up their past association and he & Hall's last night in the company before they left for WCW. Nash is playing his role well as a guy that's bitter about his "spot" as I think WWE is playing his character as just Nash expecting that his old buddy Triple H was going just put him right back at the top of the ladder. There's not really much more Nash can do or say until Triple H returns, which I think will probably be next week, but he's done a solid job carrying this feud on his own so far. Thumbs Up

3. Cody Rhodes vs. Santino Marella - The match was far too short to even rank. I think it only lasted about 45 seconds but Rhodes looked pretty dominant. His promo before the match was ok, nothing special, but I think he needs to lay off the diabolical laughing. Rhodes hits Cross Rhodes for the win and then goes out and has some words with Booker T at ringside. Cody says something to the effect of asking Booker T if he thinks that he can't hear him and that he watches his show and knows what he says about him. Cody was addressing Booker T's criticism of his attitude. Cody then throws water into Booker's face before walking off with an arrogant smirk. I started a thread a little while back talking about how WWE was considering doing a feud between Cody Rhodes & Booker T, so it looks like step 1 took place last night. N/A

5. CM Punk vs. Dolph Ziggler - This was a fantastic match and both men came off as stars. Ziggler lost the match, which we knew that he would, but he showed that he belongs in a main event spot. Booker T was right when he said that win or lose, Ziggler's stock rose because of this match. They started off with some solid mat work and the match built gradually to a great, energetic pace. Ziggler & Punk showed some great chemistry together and the match was pretty much back and forth the entire length. There were several great near falls in the match, such as with a sick dropkick that Ziggler hit and the sleeper hold he applied earlier and Punk's big elbow drop off the top rope. Both of them did a great job of selling as well, especially Ziggler as he sold Punk's big offensive moves like he'd been hit by a Mack truck. The end comes with CM Punk finally managing to hit Ziggler with the GTS, giving him the pin at the 17 minute mark. The only thing that hurt this match in any way was that we all knew that Ziggler wasn't going to win. The guy's a star and I would LOVE to see him feud with Punk over the title at some point in the near future. ***3/4

Big Show - The Big Show's music hit and he came out onto the stage. He cut a solid promo talking about his match with Mark Henry and his quest to become the new World Heavyweight Champion. Show put over Henry's toughness and all but came right out and said that there's going to be 1 more match between them. The promo was short, Show did a solid job and it ultimately accomplished what it was supposed to. Thumbs Up

6. Kofi Kingston vs. Wade Barrett - This was a really good match, much better than I was expecting to be quite honest. I expected Barrett & Kofi to have, at most, a 5 minute match but they gave them a good amount of time. Kofi is another one of these wrestlers that can put on an entertaining match with just about anybody and I thought his style meshed well against Barrett's. Both wrestlers got in some good offense and Barrett's Boss Man Slam on Kofi looked downright sick. I honestly don't know why he doesn't make that his finisher as it just looks so much better and more impactful than Wasteland. Kofi hit a lot of his signature offense. Randy Orton's music hit a few minutes into the match and I thought we'd be looking at a DQ for Barrett as Orton would run in and just start kicking the crap out of him. I'm very glad they didn't go that route and I'm also glad that Orton didn't interfere to help Kofi pick up a win. Kofi goes for a springboard move but Barrett kicks the ropes on him so Kofi goes splat in the ring. Barrett picks him up and delivers Wasteland for the win at the 12 minute mark. After the match, Orton is slowly making his way around the ring to head in back when Barrett gets on the mic and calls out to him. Barrett reminds Orton that the announcer said that he won the match. Orton does a head fake, causing Barrett to step back a bit before heading back. I dug the lack of physicality here, it's nice to change up that old formula sometimes, and I guess we're now going to have a fully blown Orton vs. Barrett feud. ***1/4

John Cena & Awesome Truth - From an overall perspective, I'd have to say this segment was definitely mixed. I didn't really know what to expect from Cena in this promo and I was interested to hear it. Cena came out and for the first few minutes just basically hyped his situation with The Rock before Miz & Truth come out. Miz & Truth do what looks to be a good job of getting under Cena's skin, Truth especially as he was hilarious. They basically told Cena that Rock upstaged him and will continue to upstage him. Cena started getting pissed and I started to think that maybe this promo was going to be the first step towards Cena maybe turning heel at some point in a storyline in which people constantly remind him of how Rock is upstaging him and how Rock has the support of the fans, etc. Unfortunately, Cena turns the tables and gets inside Miz & Truth's heads in a pretty weak way. He gives each of them a couple of lame insults and tells them that those insults are what each guy really thinks of the other. Just kinda made Miz & Truth look like a couple of weak minded finks. Miz & Truth get into it a bit before Truth punches Miz. Miz gathers himself and convinces Truth that Cena's playing them and that they should go after him. As they do so, Miz spins Truth around and hits the Skull Crushing Finale on the steel ramp to close the show. I'm guessing that Truth is going face again or maybe they'll feud with each other. Or maybe they'll manage to make up and continue getting in Cena's face over The Rock situation? Thumbs In The Middle

Overall Show - I thought that Raw was a lot of fun last night. The show had an energy about it that I don't think it's really had for the past several weeks. They didn't really do much of anything to build for TLC, but setting up a title match between Punk & Del Rio for next week's Raw gives a definitive reason to tune in because I'm sure the match will deliver. The promos of the show were good, especially the opening between Punk & JL. Their characters play well off each other and they even managed to get a little more support for Zack Ryder. Nash & Big Show's brief promos were both solid and ultimately did what they were meant to do. The closing promo with Cena & Awesome Truth had its good & bad points. We don't know what's next for Cena right now & Awesome Truth looks to be done. As for the wrestling action, there was some great stuff on the show. Del Rio vs. Ryder was ok for what it was. Ryder got in some offense and Del Rio got some momentum for next week. Sheamus vs. Swagger was a nice, physical 10 minute match that was packed into 5 minutes. Cody vs. Santino was nothing but it looks as though we're going to get a Cody Rhodes vs. Booker T feud, which could produce some good stuff. CM Punk & Dolph Ziggler delivered a fantastic match that was among the best matches I've seen on television this year. The only thing that really kept it from being a 4 star match was that we knew that Ziggler wouldn't win it. Ziggler did look like a million bucks I'd very much enjoy seeing a program between these two at some point in the relatively near future. Kingston vs. Barrett was much better than I was expecting. Some good stuff from both wrestlers and they gave them a good amount of time. Orton's presence at ringside didn't detract from the match and I was surprised, pleasantly, that Orton didn't try to interfere in the match and that there was no contact between him & Barrett. For me, the time flew by and while there wasn't any official ppv build last night, I think it's all but assured that Big Show & Mark Henry will have another match at TLC.

Grade: A-
 
Really solid show. Great matches.

One thing, Cena IS NOT TURNING HEEL, IT MAKES NO SENSE. He might amp up the aggression, but he's still going to be a good guy. If he turns heel, you have the face of this generation as a character that isn't the iconic version and he's a heel. Stupid idea. I loved how he turned it on against truth and miz though. Babyface Cena who is a little pissed off is a good thing.

Also, how awesome are Punk and Ziggler? Both guys had great matches the night before and on Raw.
 
WWE Friday Night SmackDown! - November 25, 2011

Opening Segment - I've got mixed feelings about the opener of the show. Neither Henry or Show were particularly strong during this promo. Henry has done an incredible job of being this angry, unstoppable monster but he just doesn't pull off the, somewhat cowardly, injured heel very well. I do believe that he did his best out there and he still draws massive heat from the crowd. Show didn't really contribute all that much other than guarantee that we'll see another match. The WMD was expected but what saved this segment was the surprise of Daniel Bryan cashing in his MITB case. He got the pin and the crowd popped huge as he was announced as new WHC. I love the direction they went with Teddy Long disallowing the whole thing as Henry wasn't "medically cleared" to compete. It built even more heat for Henry and Bryan came off as an even more sympathetic babyface that was "robbed". Bryan's enthusiasm looked 100% genuine and the got a great response from the fans, so it worked. Teddy Long put Bryan in a fourway dance against Randy Orton, Wade Barrett & Cody Rhodes with the winner challenging Henry at the live SD! this Tuesday. Thumbs In The Middle

1. Justin Gabriel vs. Hunico - Solid match that turned out to be better than I expected. Both wrestlers got in a good amount of offense and Hunico continues to show promise inside the ring. He seems like he's much more comfortable with doing more of the grounded stuff coupled with some high spots here and there than he was with the traditional luchadore high spots of Sin Cara. There was a nice believable near fall from Gabriel when he hit the springboard moonsault. Hunico ultimately manages to hit the Swanton Bomb off the top for the win a little past the 5 minute mark. Nothing overly spectacular, but an overall much more entertaining match than I figured it'd be. **1/4

2. Beth Phoenix & Natalya vs. Kaitlyn & AJ - It was ok for what it was, which isn't saying much and is par for the course when it comes to the Divas. AJ looked pretty good in there in all honesty. She showed some nice athleticism and hit a sweet looking modified victory roll on Natalya. Ultimately, however, Natalya made AJ tap out about the 2.5 minute mark to the Sharpshooter. Alicia Fox was on commentary but she stunk the place up. 1/2*

3. Sheamus & Zack Ryder vs. Dolph Ziggler & Jack Swagger - Prior to the match, Ziggler cut a brief promo inside the ring. He came off as extremely arrogant and did a solid job of insulting the live audience. His comment towards the crowd, basically telling them to be quiet as "the champ is talking" was a nice touch. Ziggler continues to improve on the mic each time he's on it. The match itself was very good and it was also a little better than I thought it'd be. It wasn't as good as Punk vs. Ziggler was this past Monday on Raw, but it was still quite good. The match was given a lot of time and Ziggler continues to shine inside the ring. All the wrestlers involved got an opportunity to show their stuff, Ryder is also super over at this point in time, and hits some decent offense. The crowd really responds to Sheamus when he's in there and just flat out beating on Ziggler or Swagger in that nice, stiff looking style of his. The ending comes when Ryder gets a blind tag as Sheamus takes out Swagger. Ryder catches Ziggler unaware and hits the Rough Ryder, which Ziggler sold like he just got hit by a Mack truck, and gets the pin about the 18 minute mark. Ryder's win gives him a little momentum for his eventual title shot against Ziggler. ***1/4

4. Ted DiBiase vs. Heath Slater - Decent effort here but I was just bored mostly. It's hard to get excited about anything to do with Heath Slater. He's solid inside the ring but he's not the least bit charismatic. He could also use a change in his appearance and character because this whole "one man southern rock band" thing isn't doing it. The match went a bit longer than I thought it would and Slater spent much of it working on DiBiase's arm. DiBiase manages to eventually hit Dream Street for the win. Jinder Mahal popped up on the big screen and talked for a few minutes during the match. He did that annoying crap where he speaks in his native tongue for most of it. When he was speaking in English, the guy sounded sophisticated and confident, so why not actually have him speak the language that most SD! viewers actually understand? *1/4

5. Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Wade Barrett vs. Cody Rhodes - Very entertaining main event with a surprising, pleasantly surprising, ending. WWE has a good formula with these sorts of matches as they're always given a good amount of time, all the wrestlers are able to put on display what they've got, none of them come off as particularly overly dominant against the other opponents and there's just some plain old good action involved. The match told a good story with Daniel Bryan clearly being painted in the role of the underdog and absorbed a lot of punishment in the match. My favorite spot of the match was where Barrett had him on his shoulders and Cody Rhodes clothes lined him. Nice shout to the Road Warriors via the Doomsday Device. He also took Barrett's Boss Man Slam and Cody Rhodes' Beautiful Disaster. Like most others, I just figured that Randy Orton was going to pull out the victory here but it didn't go down that way. After Orton hit the DDT on Bryan, Barrett pulls him outside and DDTs him on the floor. Barrett holds the back of his head like it smacked the floor and Rhodes goes for the pin inside. Bryan quickly counters and snaps on the LaBell Lock and forces Cody Rhodes to tap. Bryan picks up the win and will face Mark Henry this Tuesday in a steel cage for the WHC. ***1/2

Overall Show - As I think most people have come to expect, another really good episode this week. There were a couple of pleasant surprises and it looks as though the WWE does seem to be firmly on track with a slow build up for Henry vs. Bryan at WrestleMania XXVIII. The opening promo segment was..well it was ok I guess. Neither Show or Henry were particularly good here. Henry just isn't all that great in the role of a complaining, injured heel. But Henry's been solid gold the past half year or so and you can't knock it out of the park every single time. Bryan cashing in his MITB contract on the prone Henry was a great surprise and shows why the MITB concept continues to be hugely popular. Bryan winning was a great moment and I marked out a little quite frankly. Teddy Long declaring the match in and of itself void as Henry hadn't been clearned to compete medically was a great tease. Puts heat on Henry and it makes it all the easier to rally behind Daniel Bryan as a sympathetic face. Bryan gets back his MITB briefcase which, as I said, is an indicator that they're going with Henry vs. Bryan at 'Mania. Wrestling action on the show was fun. Gabriel vs. Hunico was a solid match that turned out to be better than I'd expected. The Divas featured more of the same. Sheamus & Ryder vs. Ziggler & Swagger was a lot of fun, even though the outcome was pretty easy to see. DiBiase vs. Slater wasn't that great, just kinda dull. The main event was also a lot of fun and the ending was a pleasant surprise. I figured Orton would win this match but Bryan pulls out the upset. I don't expect Bryan to beat Mark Henry this Tuesday, but he can put out a great match and add another chapter in this slow build towards ultimately cashing in MITB at WrestleMania.

Grade: B+
 
Been busy so it took me a while to get to this but this Raw needs to be talked about. Great opening segment with Punk, the guy is so damn entertaining it isnt even funny and his promos are amazing. Big Show and Kevin Nash's promos were great as well, really strong stuff from Show and I'm loving seeing Nash do these great promos every week. Cena vs Awesome Truth at the end of the show was an interesting bit, I felt like the breakdown of Awesome Truth by Cena was a little lame, I just felt like it was a pretty weak and short way to make them turn on each other. Matches overall were not great, however one match was so great that it made an unforgettable Raw, CM Punk vs Dolph Ziggler. Those two put on what was in my opinion the best match since Randy and Christian's first meeting on Smackdown after Christian won the World Heavyweight Championship, I was blown away. This one showed why Punk is the top man on the brand and Ziggler is one of the most promising rising stars in the WWE, it was an incredible back and forth match that had great shocking moments and alot of great reversals. My respect for both men went up after that match, because of it I really want to see them feuding for the title within the next few months because they if they can continue to deliver like that I will be very happy.
 
Once again, SmackDown was a really good show.

The opening promo between Show and Henry was fine and furthered their rivalry. Bryan coming out to cash-in the MitB was a pleasant surprise. The crowd reaction was much better than I expected. Bryan’s reactions on winning and later losing the belt were amazing and felt quite real. Cole’s commentary was spot-on during the whole segment.

Good to see Gabriel back on SmackDown. The match though was not that good. Hunico winning was fine but Epico/Primo should have had some sort of involvement.

The Divas match was just a pointless squash. Beth didn’t even get involved in the match. Alicia Fox on commentary was horrible but it seems like she will be Beth’s next challenge.

The tag-team match was good. Sheamus and Ziggler were involved in the majority of the match and Ryder once again pinned again. Swagger really needs some sort of direction.

Once again Dibiase won in a squash match. How many times are they going to push him in a year? Jinder Mahal’s promo was nothing spectacular but indicated a feud between them. Why does he have to cut promos in Punjabi when he speaks English?

The main event was a great match featuring four of the best of SmackDown. It was good to see that it was a fatal-four way instead of the regular heels vs faces tag match. Bryan winning was good to see as they continue to build up Bryan. The ending could have been slightly better if Cody had not tapped immediately after Bryan applied the LeBell lock. Great match nonetheless.

Overall Grade: B+
 
WWE Raw Supershow - November 28, 2011

Piper's Pit - Interesting segment here. It was nice to see Piper out there and it looks as though tonight was another step towards WWE ultimately turning John Cena heel. Last week, Miz & R-Truth were able to get under Cena's skin by telling him how The Rock completely upstaged him and how fans were supporting him. Piper sort of does the same thing here by trying to get Cena to just come out and say that fans booing him "bothers him". The slap in the face was a nice touch and the overall angle here is simple but I think it works. It does look as though the idea is for Cena's frustrations at eventually get the best of him. Cena didn't try to be all cutesy out there, Piper didn't ramble on about his days of glory and they kept the focus on Cena & Rock. It was a simple segment that was damned effective and entertaining. Thumbs Up

1. John Morrison vs. The Miz - In some ways, I think this was a waste of the Falls Count Anywhere stipulation. At the same time, however, I do like the sheer aggression Miz showed in this match. They've gone the route of the cowardly heel when he was champion and I like the idea of Miz just being flat out meaner. Morrison sold his leg injury well throughout and the addition of the kendo stick was a nice touch. They don't use those very often and that helps get a nice reaction from the crowd. Morrison's tumble into the WWE symbol up on stage looked great, it just looked like he took a full on nasty hit. Miz then his the Skull Crushing Finale before the ref stopped the match at the 3.5 minute mark. After the match, Miz came to the ring and cut a brief promo and did come across as someone that was ice cold. It's a new approach for Miz. It might not click with people overnight but I think fans will catch on. I've enjoyed Miz, I've liked his character but I think it's time for him to become a heel that fans see as a threat. It's so easy for fans to boo someone that really seems like he can be a potent threat. So here's hoping this is the first step. As for the match, it was too short for the type that it was, but it was still pretty physical and did a good job of telling a story. **1/4

2. Kelly Kelly & Alicia Fox vs. The Bella Twins - Typical 90 second Diva match. Nothing more and nothing less. N/A

CM Punk, John Laurinaitis & Alberto Del Rio - I thought this was a solid backstage segment that set up some nice tension for the main event. Punk's insults to Del Rio & Johnny Ace were pretty expected, but they made good use of the new obssession wrestling companies, especially WWE & TNA, now have with the internet. JL stating that if Punk gets DQ'd intentionally that he'll lose the title does add some suspense to the match. It'll suck if it does end that way but, at the same time, it's a nice hook to get you to see what ultimately will happen. Thumbs Up

3. Randy Orton vs. Dolph Ziggler - Very good match between Orton & Ziggler. It wasn't as good as Punk vs. Ziggler last week, but it was still a damn good outing. The match had some great back & forth action and Ziggler held his own with Orton throughout. Wade Barrett did a good job on commentary and also did a good job of keeping his feud with Orton in everyone's mind. He must've mentioned he beat Orton on SD! a few weeks back and at Survivor Series 20 times out there, but I didn't feel like he was beating a dead horse. Ziggler rolls out of the ring near the end of the match as he sees that Orton is preparing for the RKO. As the ref is trying to get Ziggler in the ring, Barrett jumps up onto the apron and eats a dropkick from Orton. Ziggler gets back into the ring and hits the Zig Zag on Orton and gets the 3 count at the 12 minute mark. I was very pleasantly surprised to see Ziggler pick up a win here. I thought that he'd have another good showing but would ultimately come up short, so I'm quite happy to see Ziggler pull out a nice big win for himself here. ***1/4

Michael Cole, Daniel Bryan & Mark Henry - I really enjoyed this segment here because it's the first time we've really gotten a chance to hear Daniel Bryan on the mic in a long time. I thought he did a good job of connecting with the crowd and he showed some very nice intensity by putting over how important winning the title is to him and how hard he's worked for the shot. Having Michael Cole as his over the top obnoxious self worked like a charm in that it gives fans all the more reason to rally behind Bryan. Mark Henry did a solid job for his part as he came out. He pointed out that he was injured but didn't really complain much. He came across more like the pissed off badass in my view tonight than he did with Big Show this Friday. Bryan walking out of the ring and up the ramp to Henry made for a nice touch and the kicks to Henry's "injured" leg did a good job of implying, to me, that Bryan is coming to fight. He might get his ass whipped, but he's coming to fight. Thumbs Up

4. Zack Ryder vs. Jack Swagger - Pretty decent match and another step forward for Ryder in his quest to earn a shot at the United States Championship. Nothing really overly great about the match, just an overall solid effort from Ryder & Swagger. The live crowd was into Ryder's stuff and popped big when Ryder got the win at the 3.5 minute mark. *3/4

Mick Foley - Foley came out dressed in a Santa Claus suit and did a brief version of Twas The Night Before Christmas. He made a few jokes, poked fun at Michael Cole a little bit and gave the crowd a few chuckles while ultimately promoting the SD! special tomorrow night. Didn't really add anything to the show, but it didn't hurt it either. It was quick and painless. Thumbs Up

5. CM Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio for the WWE Championship - Great main event for Raw. Punk & Del Rio put on a ppv quality match here in my view that told a great story. From top to bottom, this is one of those matches that just makes logical sense when you look at it. For instance, Del Rio's finisher is the armbar submission, so everything he did in this match was basically to weaken Punk's left arm. He worked in the arm constantly and it seems like such a little thing but it's also something you don't see enough of. The crowd rallied behind Punk and Punk did a great job of selling his injured arm throughout. The closing minutes of the match were really great, I flat out loved the bit with the steel chair. I was literally sitting here laughing my ass off. It was just so unexpected and it was just a great bit that looked to turn the "unbiased" plans of Johnny Ace against him by getting Del Rio DQ'd for using a chair. The roll up afterward was a helluva near fall as well. The ending comes at the 15.5 minute mark with Punk hits a modified GTS on Del Rio over in the corner with the turnbuckle pad removed. Punk gets the 3 count and retains the title. The tension was still there, however, as I kept expecting JL to come out and try to reverse the ref's decisiion. One reason for that was because Ricardo Rodriguez was up there arguing so much with the ref. He ultimately eats a GTS and the show ends with Punk celebrating. ***3/4

Overall Show - In my view, from top to bottom, tonight's Raw is one of the strongest we've seen this year. It just seemed like everything seemed to be clicking. Both the main promo segments of the show delivered. Piper's Pit was a nice way to start off the show and Piper's interaction with Cena was well done. When you look at tonight and compare it with Cena's interaction with Miz & Truth, it looks as though WWE is on a slow build to having Cena's "frustrations" with the fans get the best of him. The other promo segment featuring Daniel Bryan, Michael Cole & Mark Henry was also really well done. Bryan showed some personality on the mic and some flat out believable, intense delivery. The crowd was behind him even more so with Michael Cole out there just doing his thing. Henry contributed nicely and the overall segment did its job of making me want to see their World Heavyweight Championship match tomorrow night on the SD! special. As far as wrestling action goes, another good night overall I thought. Miz vs. Morrison was much too short for a FCA match, yet they did pack some good physicality into the match and it told a good story. Miz came across as a hateful, cold hearted bastard here and I'd like to see them go in that direction. He got some heat on him tonight and he needed it after Cena & Rock have made him look like a butt monkey much of the past month. Orton vs. Ziggler was a great match with an ending I personally loved. As I said, it wasn't as good as Punk vs. Ziggler last week, but Ziggler had a good showing against Orton and came out with a near 100% clean win. I don't think we really expected Ziggler to win so it came as a nice surprise. Ryder vs. Swagger was ok for what it was, which was to give Ryder more momentum for his eventual US title match. The main event was awesome in my view. I may have given the match a quarter star more than it may have really deserved, but I just truly enjoyed the last 5 minutes or so. The match was great all the way through, but Punk using the somewhat stacked deck in the way that he did with the steel chair was hilarious. The only complaint I had regarding Raw was the lack of hype for TLC, but it's a minor one.

Grade: A
 
Thought RAW was more than impressive tonight. The opening segment with Cena and Piper shows that WWE are teasing a change in Cena's personality down the line. I don't see him turning heel, he to me has always been someone who kind of rides down the middle of the highway, swerving to either side depending on the situation he's in. I'm sure they'll have it run with Cena getting angrier at the way the fans treat him, however the one thing that spoiled the segment was the fact he didn't get booed all that much. However, great segment and Piper will never lose his touch with the stick.

Bryan Danielson shows once more he has a personality - on a mass scale will the IWC take notice? Probably not, I've been preaching he has personality ever since NXT and he constantly disperses the remarks people make about him. In my own mind I believe it is due simply to the fact that asides his small stature he has no negative when it comes to being a professional wrestler. However, the segment was good and got some neat build for tomorrow night. If Danielson wins the World Heavyweight Championship I'll die of a heart attack.

Orton and Dolph Ziggler put on a great match. Dolph is proverbially on FIYYA!! He can't put a step wrong in the past few months, great US Champion, good heel, hes improved his microphone work, he's drawing heat but at the same time as we saw in MSG, fans respect his talent because he has more than a bit. Orton and Barrett are building a good rivalry and I like how Orton's being used, he's getting these younger guys over and if he takes a loss it doesn't affect him. Smart move by WWE.

Finally the Main Event. I'm certain Punk and Del Rio will clash at TLC. But Punk is holding onto the belt. WWE Championship on Punk equals money, belt on Del Rio equals snores. I used to enjoy ADR but recently all hes done is act like a coward. His offence is horrid too, repetitive isn't the word. It's kick to back, kick to shoulder, kick to face, low dropkick to wherever he can hit and then he'll lock in a submission hold. ADR isn't going places, however Punk looks good.

Very good RAW. Pretty pleased with it.
 
Solid Raw tonight, had some very entertaining moments and helped get us excited for the special Smackdown! tomorrow night. I loved the opening with an excellent edition of Piper's Pit, very entertaining and they gave us some great stuff with Cena and Roddy. I must say that all this talk about Cena letting the crowds get to him and whatnot is very interesting and after what Piper said in the pit and what Cole and Lawler were saying on commentary I think we're going to see something substantial with John's character change between now and Wrestlemania.

I loved the backstage bit where Punk messed with Johnny Ace, Del Rio and Otunga, he delivered gold as usual. Ziggler vs Orton was great but I think it felt lackluster just because of how amazing Dolph's match last monday was, but all in all it was a darn good match and in the end Barrett and Ziggler both got a little boost with DZ picking up the win while Wade distracted Orton.

The highlight of the night for me was Daniel Bryan talking with Cole and Mark Henry joining the party. I think DB really shined for the first time in a long time, I enjoyed the whole almost winning the WHC last week on Smackdown but this was the first time in ages where I really wanted to back Bryan. I think he was excellent on the mic and I loved the fire he showed throughout this segment, and I loved his little touch at the end where he kicked Henry's hurt leg on his way out, I definitely laughed my ass off but in a good way.

Punk and Alberto Del Rio put on a great one, the best part was Punk throwing the chair back at ADR and falling down to fake getting hit to the ref, gave be a nice fond flashback to Eddie Guerrero's day. :blush:

Overall it was a very good episode of Raw, sure there were less exciting moments like the boring ass Divas match and Swagger vs Ryder but tonight the good outweighed the bad and I was left feeling satisfied.
 
Before I get started with this, I just wanted to note what a great Raw this was last night. As I sat there watching, I couldn't help but thinking that a completely different booking team had written the show. It felt fresh and progressive, which it hadn't in some time to me. Not that Raw has been bad, but this Raw was excellent.

Raw Hits:​

Piper's Pit: As much as I don't want to get ahead of myself here, it truly seems they're doing a slow build towards a John Cena heel turn. Between Foley, Miz last week, and now Piper, all three have really hammered home the idea that the boos have to be getting to Cena. WWE has always acknowledged that Cena isn't beloved by all, but they never devoted segments to it as they've done the past three weeks. AS for the segment, Piper certainly brought his A game last night, which isn't always the case. Piper has been very hit or miss for me these past few years(his MSG segment two years ago was an example of a miss of epic proportions), but he was great last night. I loved the slap to close the segment where Cena left shaking his head, as it appeared he was conflicted. The best thing about Cena at this point is that we don't know what's next for Cena. For a mid-carder, that's not a good thing, but for the face of the company, that's a great thing. This segment continued the suspense, which is great booking.

The Miz: Color me surprised, WWE has managed to make Miz look like a legitimate threat again in just two weeks time. His attacks on Truth on JoMo the past two weeks and his subsequent promo last night following defeating Morrison is quickly making me forget that he was treated as an afterthought during the Rock/Cena shenanigans leading up to Survivor Series. The funny thing of the matter is they chose Miz to write two men off TV who were leaving already, whether it be short term or for good, so it gives me faith they're truly getting behind Miz' character. I expect him to be challenging Punk for the title come TLC, which should make for some great promo work and a solid match come TLC. I love what they're doing with Miz' character right now, as they couldn't be rebuilding him better.

Dolph Ziggler vs Randy Orton: As clean of a win as you're going to see a heel get over Randy Orton. I know they complaints here are going to be this match was all about the Orton/Barrett dynamic and their impending feud, but they killed two birds with one stone here. One, they furthered the Barrett/Orton feud, and secondly, they continue to move Ziggler closer to main event status. As for the match itself, it featured two great workers who have shown they work well together in the past, so what were you expecting? A very good TV match with back and forth action with Ziggler playing the opportunist at the end by taking advantage of the Barrett distraction. Ziggler's ascent continues, and Barrett and Orton was forwarded without overshadowing the actual match. Well done. ***

Daniel Bryan/Mark Henry segment: I can't heap more praise on these two then I have already. I was so glad to see them follow up on the events of Friday night rather then wait to do so. The key theme I picked up here is Henry tried to take from Bryan the thing that meant most to him- his career- so Bryan tried to do the same in return, taking Henry's most prized possession, the World Title. Bryan was excellent on the mic last night, and showed as much fire as we've seen from him during his WWE days. They did a great sell job of making me care and eagerly anticipate their cage match tomorrow night.

CM Punk vs Alberto Del Rio: First off, I'm extremely thrilled they hyped this match a week in advance, and plugged it throughout the show. And the two of them delivered what was a very good match. I especially liked the ending when CM Punk used the turnbuckle that Del Rio had exposed against him. So often, we see babyfaces who are unwilling to use such tactics just for the pure simple fact that they're faces. In this case, the ending completely fit with the CM Punk character we've seen in the past. He saw an advantage, and he took it. Besides that, this was a good main event that featured many plausible near falls with some excellent counters and reversals, along with great pacing. ***1/4

Raw Misses:​

Alicia Fox and Kelly Kelly vs the Bella Twins:It appears that Alicia Fox is the new flavor of the month to challenge Beth Phoenix, and she's the least believable one yet. WWE started out with a great premise regarding Beth and Natalya, but they've yet to create any true challengers to make the storyline mean anything. The match itself was too short to mean anything, although I did get a good chuckle out of Beth and Natalya running laps around the ring. 1/4*

Jack Swagger vs Zach Ryder: I'm still not sure what they're doing with Vickie's stable of wrestlers, as it seems we can't have even one Raw where both pick up victories. I like Ryder in small doses, but I feel he's being overexposed and paired with the wrong opponents at this point. And three minute matches do neither man a favor. *


Final Thoughts: This was an excellent episode of Raw. We were given two solid TV matches with Orton/Ziggler and Punk/Del Rio, both which included believable nearfalls and great psychology in the endings. Feuds were furthered in a believable way, especially Bryan/Henry, which featured some of Bryan's best mic work to date. WWE did a fantastic job of plugging Smackdown and its main event, which is something that needs to be done every week. I'd rather have seen Morrison go out with another epic Falls Count Anywhere match as he did on the first round of the year, but the beatdown by Miz was well done. And the intrigue that's been created with the Miz, and especially John Cena's character makes Raw must-see next week. The best Raw of the fall, in my opinion. A
 
did anyone like that match? i mean im rarely bitchy about match quality but it seemed like henry was really injured and sadly i dont think its a good thing. Not for henry but the match itself. i hope i dont come across as a bitch to you guys i just have no clue how to word it any other way. What really bothered me was the end though...ever since extreme rules top rope cage finishers are common now..like i said i dont want to look like a dick. what did you guys think of the match?
 
did anyone like that match? i mean im rarely bitchy about match quality but it seemed like henry was really injured and sadly i dont think its a good thing. Not for henry but the match itself. i hope i dont come across as a bitch to you guys i just have no clue how to word it any other way. What really bothered me was the end though...ever since extreme rules top rope cage finishers are common now..like i said i dont want to look like a dick. what did you guys think of the match?

It was a terrific match.

Let's face it, Daniel Bryan as we know him today is not the type of guy that can beat Mark Henry. Better men than Bryan have tried, and they have failed. Kane, Big Show, Orton, all have been destroyed by the beast that is Mark Henry.

The only hope Daniel Bryan had for beating Henry was by taking advantage of his weakened ankle, and that's exactly what he did. He stomped on it, twisted it, put submissions on it, and did everything he could to prevent Mark Henry from standing on it. And it worked for a while, and at times it looked like he might win because of it. The already labored Mark Henry was slowed down even more because of the injury, and Daniel Bryan used the distinct speed advantage to nearly escape multiple times.

But in the end, there wasn't enough from for Bryan to separate from Mark Henry, and when Henry got his hands on Bryan he hit him with a devastating finisher.

It was a very exciting match with twists and turns, and it felt like it was up in the air for the last couple of minutes. I don't see anything wrong with that match.
 

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