It seems nearly everyone posting has assumed that RVD is going to be squashed in his match with Snitsky. Beyond a doubt, RVD will be doing the job come ONS, but I anticipate a 10-15 minute match where Snitsky comes out on top. For those of you who disagree, look back to "Razor Ramon"'s (Scott Hall) last PPV match before defecting to WCW. It was at an In Your House PPV against Vader. He ended up losing (it was well known he was on the way out), but it was a competitive match that left both athletes looking good in the end. RVD has proven he can put on one hell of a match. While Snitsky is no A.J. Styles, he's not the Great Khali either. RVD will carry him through a decent match; Snitsky will get the win he needs to boost him into his main event fued with Lashle; and RVD will come out of it losing a competitive match, looking like the great athlete he is.
Other than the fact that he's uglier than a pimply dog's ass, Gene Snitsky is not that bad. He plays a very good big man role, and works the monster gimmick well. I don't personally care for him much, but it is true.
No no. I'm not criticizing RVD for the style of wrestling. I'm criticizing RVD for how he uses that style. Rey Mysterio used a fast paced, aerial style when he was younger and was damn good at it. It's not the style or even the moves. It's how he uses the style and the moves.
Well, first of all, I think we need to clear something up. A spotfest, by the technical definition, is not necessarily a bad thing. A spot is any pre-planned moment in the match that the wrestlers work towards. Once they hit one spot, then they work towards the next. Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat at Wrestlemania 3 was, technically a spotfest. However, using today's terminology, a spotfest is considered a bad thing because it has come to mean a match that is full of spots, with no logical transition between spots, and the spots themselves really not making much sense in the context of the match This is where Savage vs. Steamboat differs, because the match's spots built perfectly on one another and the transitions were flawless. Additionally, a spotfest does not have to consist of big bumps, flashy moves, or aerial moves. A negative spotfest can be two brawling 400 lb men, who never leave their feet.
. Punches, 5 Knuckle shuffle, leg drop off the top rope, headlocks, facelocks, and clotheslines all wear down the head and neck of the opponent for the STFU.Wasn't that when he first came into the promotion? And, wasn't that in the time period where he was supporting the WWF Raw? And, didn't he get cheered towards the end of the cross-promotional angle anyways?
Cactus wins, he gets Vince anytime in any match!If he had stayed in WCW and had not been in ECW, he would not get anything near the reaction he does now. ECW fans tended to cheer wildly for anyone who was "their own". Hell, even Balls Mahoney and The Sandman get good pops these days. Now, do you think it's because they are good wrestlers?
Well, first off, they are. Compare the reaction he gets now, to the reactions he was getting when he first came back after his injuries. But, the reason is because he's never been able to reach that time of over-exposure. He was in the WWE for less than four years before he got injured. He was out for approximately a year, which gives time for fans to want what he was doing back. Now, he's going to go to TNA, where the fans there are going to salivate over his moves. If he had not gotten injured, I imagine people would demand more from him at this point.
You mean you don't consider the last two One Night Stand shows to be pretty good?
There's an overwhelming number of people who are ten?
There was only one match on the original One Night stand that compared to Rey/Sabu and Cena/RVD and that was Tanaka/Awesome. I would put Edge/Foley vs. Dreamer/Funk on the same level as Dudleys vs. Dreamer/Sandman. The rest of the show...on either level was about the same.
Or we could talk about Summerslam 2006, Unforgiven 2006, Royal Rumble 2007...There's three good PPVs right there. And, Wrestlemania 21 was a hell of a PPV.
Two reasons for this. One, nostalgia makes things seem better than they were. Two, the rosters then were deeper than they are now, through no fault of the WWE. Just run down the list of Wrestlemania 20, just three years ago, and look at how many guys are on that card that are no longer around.
The memory/legacy of ECW...a bunch of drugged out has-beens and never-weres entertaining 400 people in a bingo hall by hitting people over the head with cookie sheets and stop signs. With the exception of a few people, feuds, moments and years, that is basically the memory of ECW. And there's nothing wrong with that, let me make that perfectly clear. ECW was fun. But, it was hardly the poster child of a great promotion.
There's an overwhelming number of people who are ten?
And, the reason guys like Balls and Sandman barely get any pop is because their terrible in the ring. They got big pops when ECW first came back...and why? Because their good looking? Great in-ring skills? Great on the mic? No. Because they were in the original ECW. And, I see the exact same thing happening to RVD. He gets less and less of a pop everytime he comes out. I remember his music hitting on Raw a few weeks back, and barely a sound could be heard.
There was only one match on the original One Night stand that compared to Rey/Sabu and Cena/RVD and that was Tanaka/Awesome. I would put Edge/Foley vs. Dreamer/Funk on the same level as Dudleys vs. Dreamer/Sandman. The rest of the show...on either level was about the same.
I would say that both ONS and ONS 2 were about even, and I think they were both good.
Or we could talk about Summerslam 2006, Unforgiven 2006, Royal Rumble 2007...There's three good PPVs right there. And, Wrestlemania 21 was a hell of a PPV.
Two reasons for this. One, nostalgia makes things seem better than they were. Two, the rosters then were deeper than they are now, through no fault of the WWE. Just run down the list of Wrestlemania 20, just three years ago, and look at how many guys are on that card that are no longer around.
Big Show, Dudleys, Christian, Jericho, Rock, Foley, Sable, Jackie, Stacy, half of the guys from the cruiserweight open, Goldberg, Lesnar, APA, Rikishi, Eddie Guerrero, and Angle. And, with the exception of only a few, all of those guys left, and were not fired.
Those are some pretty big losses to sustain, even if you take Rock and Foley out. If this current crop of superstars all stay, then Wrestlemania 25 or 26 will probably be one of the best you've ever seen.
The memory/legacy of ECW...a bunch of drugged out has-beens and never-weres entertaining 400 people in a bingo hall by hitting people over the head with cookie sheets and stop signs. With the exception of a few people, feuds, moments and years, that is basically the memory of ECW. And there's nothing wrong with that, let me make that perfectly clear. ECW was fun. But, it was hardly the poster child of a great promotion.
I would think the fact that people think so highly of ECW even today says that the WWE have done more than their fair share to help the memory of ECW. If the Rise and Fall DVD and the One Night Stand PPVs had never occurred, most people would have forgotten about ECW long ago.
Terry Funk - The man was 48 or 49 years old when ECW OPENED. You're telling me he was as good then as he was even 5 years previous? He was a has-been at the time.
This line made me laugh. As opposed to 3 thousand times Lynn vs. RVD wrestled? Or the 3 thousand times Rock vs. HHH wrestled? Or the three thousand times Sting vs. Flair wrestled? Not really sure what number of encounters has to do with the quality of match.
Actually, he was pushed with much vigor and reaction upon his entry into the WWF. That is until a ********er named HHH crossed paths with him and made sure that he was to job to him and not only buried Taz, but also the credibility of the ECW belt, all in one fell swoop. It's kind of difficult to gain steam when you're badass persona gets an instant bullet in the head on one episode of Smackdown, nahmeen?
Really? I'm so sure that the whole Stone Cold persona was built elsewhere, right? I know WCW was so keen on pushing him. Oh, and I'm also sure that Vince would've been ringing Steve's phone off the hook if it weren't for ECW, right
So two years is the token statute of limitations for that? Why? The fact is that these guys were good and neither of the big two gave a two-bit $hit about them until they made their mark in ECW. Why do you think a majority of the former ECW alumni had no qualms about going back to do ONS? Because they felt they WEREN'T part of the ECW legacy?
And you know this is the concensus of most fans, how? Perfectly clean, non-hardcore matches between guys like Tajiri and Super Crazy got just as many pops as matches that featured New Jack's crazy ass jumping off of something or the Dudley's putting somebody through a flaming table. That may be ECW's legacy to most uninformed MARKS...but certainly not it's fans. Besides, most of ECW's original Philly fans are actually ROH fans. And last time I checked, ROH didn't have a lot of flaming tables and whatnot.
The difference between the matches you're mentioning here and the ones xfearbefore mentioned is that when say, for instance, Lynn and RVD wrestled, each match was awesome. However, watching Jeff Hardy get gassed and embarrass himself in another tag match with the same guys for the umpteenth time isn't exactly what I'd consider a candidate for a money feud. And last time I checked, Rock vs. HHH was a much better match and drew much better reactions than the embarrassments that Test and Lashley heaped upon the public. Same goes for Sting and Flair. They put on near-hour matches in their prime. Cena had trouble getting past fifteen minutes unless HBK was holding his f*cking hand. The correlation between the number of encounters and the quality of the matches is simple. The old feuds were interesting because the matches didn't suck. The new feuds are not interesting because the matches blew goats. Easy as that.[/QUOTE]
