klunderbunker
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So, him being an agent hurt the company....how?
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The Big Gunnzbowski
Damas y Caballeros...
Yeah. How exactly? How do you attribute a company's failure as a whole, to ONE person!?
FromTheSouth
You don't want it with me.
I don't know, but everyone blames Russo for WCW.
Lay of GG. He comes on here and offers perspective. He answers everyone's questions, and is often disrespected.
And concierge managers at classy joints pull six figures. So, if he's making more cool. If not, it's none of our business,
Lay of GG. He comes on here and offers perspective. He answers everyone's questions, and is often disrespected.
And concierge managers at classy joints pull six figures. So, if he's making more cool. If not, it's none of our business,
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Agreed. Think about it. Glenn had one of if not the most ridiculous gimmicks of all time, and he used it over 7 years, then had a short run in TNA as something totally different. How many other guys that won three titles in at the time the biggest company in the world would come on here and answer whatever we asked him? If nothing else he should be commended for that. We're all wrestling nerds that pay obscene amounts of money to go sit in a chair and watch these guys live, and you have one sitting here that you can ask whatever comes to your mind about? Be greatful.
The Big Gunnzbowski
Damas y Caballeros...
****Sorry KB, meant to say that this post wasn't directed at you, it's for the guy you're replying to. I totally agree with you!****
Yet you insult and belittle him. I for one enjoyed the Disco Inferno's gimmick, if not for the fact that it WAS ridiculous, yet he managed to pull it off every single night. Whether you loved him or hated him, the man could work a crowd, the man could wrestle a very good match, and the man could use a mic. Boo to you, sir, for using such flimsy tactics to try and insult someone who was involved in the business that we all love so much, takes the time to get on a level with fans that most anybody else won't, and answer questions or speak on topics that most others would probably ignore. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't have to watch wrestling, you don't have to be in here, and you really have no right to judge anybody, let alone somebody who survived the politics and backstage garbage in a business where your success is sometimes dictated by "who likes you" backstage...
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Gunz, what did I say that ticked you off? I agreed with everything that you just said. When did I insult and belittle him?
The Big Gunnzbowski
Damas y Caballeros...
If you think about it, Russo tried to recycle almost every storyline he used during WWE'S "Attitude Era", when he went to WCW. Giving himself the title didn't help much either... Either way, nobody can attribute WCW's failure to any one person... Ultimately, the fans decide the fate of everybody who enters that ring.
look, i think disco gets far too little respect. the man is a consumate professional.
i met him once as a fan and he was as nice as could be.
when i met him later as a ring announcer, he was a bit of a jerk. i had deserved it, as i was late.
very businesslike, very professional.
i think it is a shame that so many around here use him as a puching bag. he's a good worker and a good mind.
i met him once as a fan and he was as nice as could be.
when i met him later as a ring announcer, he was a bit of a jerk. i had deserved it, as i was late.
very businesslike, very professional.
i think it is a shame that so many around here use him as a puching bag. he's a good worker and a good mind.
The Big Gunnzbowski
Damas y Caballeros...
I agree with Waylon. Like I previously said... If you can name someone from the ring who has put himself out there like Glen has, answering questions and giving an inside perspective on the business, I want a name. Otherwise, stop being such douchbags...
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
I just wanted to comment on Disco's old comments about wrestlers of today's generations being nerds and I agree. People like AJ, Joe, MMG, Eric Young just don't come across as stars. It could be creativity, lack of creativiity, but he's right
Why I say that is, I"m watching Ultimate Warrior's DVD.. and man, the feuds he was in with Rick Rude (great theme and character), Hogan, and Macho Man.. they just came across as stars.. not like ppl off the streets.. they were STARS
Even guys like Mr Perfect.. they come across as stars, the way they talk,..
AJ, Joe, MMG, they come across as nerds struggling on a regular basis..
It could be due to lack of creativity. but wrestling was just fun to watch back in the day and watching the warrior DVD is just exciting to me
IN regards to charactesr.. I just also want to say that CCW's characters are awesome too: Rodzilla, mr not so pervect, red hot redneck, candygirl, one mean bean, dangerous danny bonaduce
Why I say that is, I"m watching Ultimate Warrior's DVD.. and man, the feuds he was in with Rick Rude (great theme and character), Hogan, and Macho Man.. they just came across as stars.. not like ppl off the streets.. they were STARS
Even guys like Mr Perfect.. they come across as stars, the way they talk,..
AJ, Joe, MMG, they come across as nerds struggling on a regular basis..
It could be due to lack of creativity. but wrestling was just fun to watch back in the day and watching the warrior DVD is just exciting to me
IN regards to charactesr.. I just also want to say that CCW's characters are awesome too: Rodzilla, mr not so pervect, red hot redneck, candygirl, one mean bean, dangerous danny bonaduce
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
Glenn I was wondering what your thoughts were on the Governor character? Do you find it entertaining or funny at all?
Audioslave
Pre-Show Stalwart
On your latest article. I agree, the belts are props. But they should be props that are taken care of and they should have some sort of meaning given to them. In the narrative of a pro wrestling promotion, it should be given a good deal of prestige and presented as such on the program. I know it's not the level of meaning it had in the glory days, but fuck if it shouldn't important at all.
And again. It's not that hard to suspend disbelief in wrestling. It's been put over as a mostly scripted variety show that has elements of improv for the last decade or more. Vince came out on and basically said that flat out too. Right now, the booking, writing and promoting is so micromanaged and sterilized that any guy on the WWE's roster who could be worth a damn to them is shoehorned into whatever role they have for them as opposed to letting them grow organically.
And well, TNA is that slow-witted, little orphan Annie wrestling promotion that wants to be a big, huge deal.. when really, no one even knows it exists. The people watching the show, at large, are either people who watch WWE already or who are wrestling fans who just wanted something, anything, different than the WWE. And from what I heard, the latest is that their PPV buys have been worse than they were during the initial year or so after they got onto Spike. Honestly, and I think you'd probably agree on this point, if a promotion has Sting, Nash, Angle, Steiner, the Dudleys and a host of young, promising talent and you can't get a lick of penetration into the mainstream.. then you've got some fucking problems, cause most of the former of mentioned people would probably ring a bell with those who have come and gone. And as it is, apparently, no one knows that Nash, Angle or Sting are still active. That shows me there's either serious fault in the booking philosophy of those writing the program or a serious lack of talent with those who are booking the show. Actually, it's probably both.
But no, there was some kind of stubborness with y'all. Joe was really over around that time. He was that motherfucker that your fans put their money down for on PPVs, along with Styles. And he got booked like a pussy and it's wondered why TNA is stagnating. You know what it reminds me of? How Sting was booked, pre-Crow. WCW/NWA did that kind of shit with Sting for years and Sting only reached his peak when he shed that bullshit "hey, i got duped by the horseman AGAIN and people wonder why no one gives a shit about me" and they turned Sting into a "I don't trust no motherfucker at all, and I'm gonna whoop ass on them NWO cock suckers." type of guy. And he was, next to Austin, Rock, McMahon and Hogan, one of if not the most over guy in wrestling at that time.
You don't need a Rock or Austin to succeed. You need a guy with talent, presence and some kind of charisma (and there are many forms of charisma, not all charismatic people are as overtly so as Rock and Austin). And when you find that guy, and TNA has a couple of young dudes on their roster and out there available that the bill would fit (and could have varying levels of success), then you take him, you promote the shit out of him and you book him in a way that can keep him protected and valuable. Joe and Styles are two casualties of this not being done.
And to say that you can't make people suspend their disbelief in wrestling. That's silly. Everyone knows it's scripted. I don't know anyone who thinks it's real, it's more of a "It's scripted, but they do take punishment and I can respect that shit." type of reaction. Take a look at Friends or 24, or whatever show. It's fake, scripted programming. But the people that watched those shows came to care about each and every one of them, and they kept watching and watching until the show ended. The same kind of thing can be done with wrestling. UFC is just an excuse.
And again. It's not that hard to suspend disbelief in wrestling. It's been put over as a mostly scripted variety show that has elements of improv for the last decade or more. Vince came out on and basically said that flat out too. Right now, the booking, writing and promoting is so micromanaged and sterilized that any guy on the WWE's roster who could be worth a damn to them is shoehorned into whatever role they have for them as opposed to letting them grow organically.
And well, TNA is that slow-witted, little orphan Annie wrestling promotion that wants to be a big, huge deal.. when really, no one even knows it exists. The people watching the show, at large, are either people who watch WWE already or who are wrestling fans who just wanted something, anything, different than the WWE. And from what I heard, the latest is that their PPV buys have been worse than they were during the initial year or so after they got onto Spike. Honestly, and I think you'd probably agree on this point, if a promotion has Sting, Nash, Angle, Steiner, the Dudleys and a host of young, promising talent and you can't get a lick of penetration into the mainstream.. then you've got some fucking problems, cause most of the former of mentioned people would probably ring a bell with those who have come and gone. And as it is, apparently, no one knows that Nash, Angle or Sting are still active. That shows me there's either serious fault in the booking philosophy of those writing the program or a serious lack of talent with those who are booking the show. Actually, it's probably both.
You don't need an Austin or a Rock. You need a cast of people who can bring it just like them, who have that kind of charisma, presence and skill. No one needs to be a THE BEST MIC WORKER EVA~ to be good. You just need a capable guy, who has a groundswell of fan support and you need to run with him and let him catch on. I'm gonna bang this drum one more time, but that guy was Samoa Joe. And TNA fucked that up by killing his momentum by pairing him with Angle, nonsensical bull like Joe's Girlfriend or whatever, and constantly losing and looking like a limp-dicked face. I think you had some problems with him regarding his promos or some shit. Look at Randy Orton, they have groomed him over the past few years pretty well and now he's the most over he's ever been in his entire career and his promos, presence and even his ring work has gotten exponentially better. They didn't really overtly fuck him up like TNA did with Joe.
But no, there was some kind of stubborness with y'all. Joe was really over around that time. He was that motherfucker that your fans put their money down for on PPVs, along with Styles. And he got booked like a pussy and it's wondered why TNA is stagnating. You know what it reminds me of? How Sting was booked, pre-Crow. WCW/NWA did that kind of shit with Sting for years and Sting only reached his peak when he shed that bullshit "hey, i got duped by the horseman AGAIN and people wonder why no one gives a shit about me" and they turned Sting into a "I don't trust no motherfucker at all, and I'm gonna whoop ass on them NWO cock suckers." type of guy. And he was, next to Austin, Rock, McMahon and Hogan, one of if not the most over guy in wrestling at that time.
You don't need a Rock or Austin to succeed. You need a guy with talent, presence and some kind of charisma (and there are many forms of charisma, not all charismatic people are as overtly so as Rock and Austin). And when you find that guy, and TNA has a couple of young dudes on their roster and out there available that the bill would fit (and could have varying levels of success), then you take him, you promote the shit out of him and you book him in a way that can keep him protected and valuable. Joe and Styles are two casualties of this not being done.
And to say that you can't make people suspend their disbelief in wrestling. That's silly. Everyone knows it's scripted. I don't know anyone who thinks it's real, it's more of a "It's scripted, but they do take punishment and I can respect that shit." type of reaction. Take a look at Friends or 24, or whatever show. It's fake, scripted programming. But the people that watched those shows came to care about each and every one of them, and they kept watching and watching until the show ended. The same kind of thing can be done with wrestling. UFC is just an excuse.
gg inferno
Pre-Show Stalwart
joe and aj aren't even in the same universe as rock and austin. you can't book guys into superstars that don't have that "it" factor. it's got nothing to do with writing, booking, etc... it's got everything to do with the fact that guys like you are grossly overrating talent when it comes to what's relevant to drawing a pro wrestling audience. joe's biggest detrement was his appearance, and the fact he never looked the part of a star when he had his air time. he dressed like a slob. aj's problem is that he doesn't take direction well, and thinks he knows way more about the business than he actually does. you may think that they were booked poorly, but those two guys change more of the stuff that creative gives them than anyone in the company. unfortunately, they have progressed to the point in this business that they think that they know so much, which they don't, that they will never change, and will never get over like they could. that's just the cold hard irrefuteable truth of the matter.
Glen, I'm intrested in your opinion of Christian's return to the WWE, Via ECW.
I thought it was a bad move for him at first, But now think it will be a great way into the main event, As he get's to build momentum, Without being in the shadow's of the "bigger" star's like Cena, And Edge.
I thought it was a bad move for him at first, But now think it will be a great way into the main event, As he get's to build momentum, Without being in the shadow's of the "bigger" star's like Cena, And Edge.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
I was wondering who, if anyone you would add to Legacy next? Do they need another person or is three enough?
Audioslave
Pre-Show Stalwart
If this is the mentality of the people running this company, then no wonder it's not as big as it should be.
Now, again, I never said that they were Rock and Austin. Nor did I say they were of the level below with Angle, HBK, Bret, Cena and Savage. But they were something special. They stood out. AJ because of his skill and Joe cause he was booked correctly as some kind of ass kicking samoan who didn't give a shit.
They didn't need to be Rock and Austin. TNA is a promotion that has looked like a WWE dumping ground ever since they got on TV. Joe and AJ, and even Ron Killings, were three guys who you could have built, protected and pushed as TNA's GUYS. They could have been TNA's main event players. Then you have Sting, Angle, Christian and later Booker to face off with them.
To say TNA didn't fuck up on Joe and AJ is just stupid. Because they did. You had your whole fanbase crazy about Joe and AJ that first year or so y'all were on TV. And Joe was looking to break through that ceiling and finally take the world title, but how'd y'all treat your fanbase's favorites? You turned them into bitches. You can't put the blame on Joe and AJ, when y'all had two guys who were really over with your crowd and then fucked it up with bad booking.
And y'all saying that they're not Rock or Austin, even if it's true, just goes to prove a point. The wrestling business has tunnel vision and can only see their true hope as being another Rock or Austin, that when a guy comes along, gets super over, and has your fanbase begging to put the belt on him. Y'all go "Eh, he's not good enough. Rock/Austin, Glory Days, 1998! YEAH BABY, THOSE WERE THE TIMES!"
Also, the whole charisma/mic skills argument. What's your excuse for Ron Killings? TNA did fuck all with him aside from those stupid hollywood skits. Now he's in WWE and while he's kinda lost in the shuffle, he's still pretty over with their audience. You had a gem of a wrestler there and you could have used him to enhance the promotion, but wound up doing fuck all with him. Which is probably the fate of Matt Morgan, cause you all don't know how to book people into becoming stars.
Well, see, if I were given the stupid shit you guys have given them to do over the past three or so, I'd probably turn it down too. When stuff like the "Prince Justice Brotherhood" comes up in a meeting and no one says "Y'know, maybe we're doing this a bit much?", then I can kind of understand why they'd say "no".
In the exchanges with you on here, it's really funny. Cause I think back to that Eric Bischoff interview where he responds to their question about advice and his answer seems alarmingly true.
Even if you had someone of Rock or Austin ability and talents on your roster, you wouldn't notice and if you did, none of y'all would be able to push him in an effective fashion.
The bottom line is: Wrestling's became way too sterilized and controlled for any Austin or Rock to really break out. Not just them, but even to a lesser extent with a Guerrero, Bret Hart, Jericho, Mysterio or someone else like that breaking out.
A
AWolf
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Glen is totally right regarding these indies wrestlers that work for groups like ROH. They're a bunch of geeky marks who take wrestling way too serious. They have no understanding that wrestling is a work and it's meant to be entertainment. They also have no understanding that wrestling is a business and there comes a time when you need to worry about making money, especially considering the fact that the wrestling business chews people up and spits them out.
The ROH crew wants to stick with ROH so that they can continue working stiff, emulating Japanese wrestling tapes, working 30-60 minute matches, doing their little highspots and have the internet fans and wrestling media hype them up. They would rather do this than move on to a bigger company and make more money due to the fact that they would be forced to change their name, gimmick, style and match length. These guys are the world's biggest marks.
A guy like Bryan Danielson would rather stay where he's at than go to WWE and make more money just so he can be over with the internet crowd and wrestling media and have them rate him as a 5 star worker who's the best in the world and puts on match of the year candidates.
Glen is right about how people on the indy and the non-WWE names in TNA are total geeks.
The ROH crew wants to stick with ROH so that they can continue working stiff, emulating Japanese wrestling tapes, working 30-60 minute matches, doing their little highspots and have the internet fans and wrestling media hype them up. They would rather do this than move on to a bigger company and make more money due to the fact that they would be forced to change their name, gimmick, style and match length. These guys are the world's biggest marks.
A guy like Bryan Danielson would rather stay where he's at than go to WWE and make more money just so he can be over with the internet crowd and wrestling media and have them rate him as a 5 star worker who's the best in the world and puts on match of the year candidates.
Glen is right about how people on the indy and the non-WWE names in TNA are total geeks.
The Big Gunnzbowski
Damas y Caballeros...
Did it ever occur to anybody that maybe....JUST MAYBE...some of these people don't care about the money? People in this world STILL do things because they love doing them...not because of how much money they can make or how famous they'll become.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
I disagree with glenn about the "it" factor. Rocky Maivia didn't have the "it" factor.. it WAS the writing and the confidence that rock eventually built that made him into the rock - aka dwayne johnson the movie star
in fact, foley once said rocky maivia should be let go because he had nothing
as for joe/aj changing stuff... joe is kinda over.. but they're not booked into doing crazy entertaining stuff every week like an austin/rock was. AJ kinda stutters but when he was doing comedy during the christian/kurt days.. i thought it was the most entertaining stuff at the time. AJ showed he can pull off the entertainment aspect
TNA is just so inconsistent. they have MEM, the top guys of wrestling together. sometimes the shows are good sometimes they're not
they have 2 hours to do much more character development than a odb/brutus segment and abyss talking to stevie richards. Russo developed characters like crazy during the WWF/WCW days. TNA just wastes too much time doing generic wrestling and face the facts, ppl whos ee the same wreslting bullshit will change the channel.
they need to focus on developing great characters so that ppl will tune into it every week to see what happens to their character in their fav male soap opera
that's why Austin/Rock got over so huge. they performed well, but it was the antics, what they said, how far they would take it on a week by week basis that kept people interested
TNA did a 1.22 rating this week - which ties their all time rating high equivalent to the rating they did exactly one year ago.
in fact, foley once said rocky maivia should be let go because he had nothing
as for joe/aj changing stuff... joe is kinda over.. but they're not booked into doing crazy entertaining stuff every week like an austin/rock was. AJ kinda stutters but when he was doing comedy during the christian/kurt days.. i thought it was the most entertaining stuff at the time. AJ showed he can pull off the entertainment aspect
TNA is just so inconsistent. they have MEM, the top guys of wrestling together. sometimes the shows are good sometimes they're not
they have 2 hours to do much more character development than a odb/brutus segment and abyss talking to stevie richards. Russo developed characters like crazy during the WWF/WCW days. TNA just wastes too much time doing generic wrestling and face the facts, ppl whos ee the same wreslting bullshit will change the channel.
they need to focus on developing great characters so that ppl will tune into it every week to see what happens to their character in their fav male soap opera
that's why Austin/Rock got over so huge. they performed well, but it was the antics, what they said, how far they would take it on a week by week basis that kept people interested
TNA did a 1.22 rating this week - which ties their all time rating high equivalent to the rating they did exactly one year ago.
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
The Rock didn't have the it factor? You're kidding right Marty? Rock had as much of the it factor as anyone since maybe Hogan. The fans connected with him and ou could see it every time. Writing can't do that. Rocky Maivia was the character that he was playing. In that case the writing was hurting him. When they let him act more like himself was when the it factor began to shine. The writing played a small factor, but it was his natural ability, the "it" factor that launched him to superstardom.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
klunder.. when i say "Rocky Maivia" didn't have the it factor, i'm saying when he was that character.
It was the writing that helped him be confident in his arrogant, cocky character that became "The Rock". IT was Russo who told him to speak in the third person. He did it well and became the rock. It was also the weekly antics, dialogue and everything he was written to do which made him get over huge.
TNA is afraid to do characters like that for their new stars. You don't see an AJ, Joe, or any homegrown star being booked the way an Austin/Rock was booked. You may say that they dont have the talent to do so, etc.. which i think is bullshit.. because Austin was "The Ringmaster" with Ted DiBiase being the spokesperson
It is when they were given the chance to shine, and been given great writing and situations to be put in that led them to improve every single week
In addition, when Rocky came back and joined The Nation of Domination, he wasn't a "super mic worker" to start either. His first promo back confronting AUstin was atrocious!
"Shut up, quit it.. you'll be compliments of the rock" - if you saw his first promo, you'd laugh at how horrendous it was
It was through confidence, through given the ball, and long term great writing, which made The Rock - THE ROCK!
AJ Styles.. is the same thing. He's bookd as a generic angry babyface but not given anything cool to do, not given anything cool to say, like an Austin/Rock was.. However, he played a tremendous comic when he was in the coalition/alliance... that was when he was my fave character.
If you're gonna make him a serious guy, same with Joe.. make them do./say something interesting every single week. Don't just throw out straight wrestling to fill the two hours.. make them weekly soap opera characters
It was Austin's weekly language, violence, segments, promos and interaction with the crowd that made him STONE COLD. He went from being a nobody with "no talent" because he wasn't given the chance to being a Stone Cold.
I think the writing is the key. TNA whenever they do "character-filled' shows, they get criticism online from morons on the net, and a Lance Storm. So TNA reads it and stops it.. and then they're doing wrestling
They have Russo to book and write charaters. i remember russo helped push so many stars, and he was interviewed about a "The Wall" and he said you couldn't blame the wrestler, it's the writer's job to help get the wrestler over.. it may be more difficult for some others.
Chet Lemon and Black Snow were hilarious. Booker T was classic character development. but to keep the momentum going, you need to give the "homegrowns" and "stars" something interesting to do, say every single week that will pop the crowd. Do not do generic promos and feuds that we have all seen.
Rock and Austin were not developed in a 'traditional' fashion. If you want to turn AJ and Joe into stars, you need them doing./saying stuff on a weekly basis that will a) pop the crowd and b) have it be different and show character traits that make people enjoy.
Same with foley, they liked his character. TNA needs to focus on the characters every week. They have 2 hours. Don't fill the time wasting it by doing wrestling. and Fuck all the people online who count the amount of minutes on a weekly episodic wrestling show. it's these people that are holding TNA back
It was the writing that helped him be confident in his arrogant, cocky character that became "The Rock". IT was Russo who told him to speak in the third person. He did it well and became the rock. It was also the weekly antics, dialogue and everything he was written to do which made him get over huge.
TNA is afraid to do characters like that for their new stars. You don't see an AJ, Joe, or any homegrown star being booked the way an Austin/Rock was booked. You may say that they dont have the talent to do so, etc.. which i think is bullshit.. because Austin was "The Ringmaster" with Ted DiBiase being the spokesperson
It is when they were given the chance to shine, and been given great writing and situations to be put in that led them to improve every single week
In addition, when Rocky came back and joined The Nation of Domination, he wasn't a "super mic worker" to start either. His first promo back confronting AUstin was atrocious!
"Shut up, quit it.. you'll be compliments of the rock" - if you saw his first promo, you'd laugh at how horrendous it was
It was through confidence, through given the ball, and long term great writing, which made The Rock - THE ROCK!
AJ Styles.. is the same thing. He's bookd as a generic angry babyface but not given anything cool to do, not given anything cool to say, like an Austin/Rock was.. However, he played a tremendous comic when he was in the coalition/alliance... that was when he was my fave character.
If you're gonna make him a serious guy, same with Joe.. make them do./say something interesting every single week. Don't just throw out straight wrestling to fill the two hours.. make them weekly soap opera characters
It was Austin's weekly language, violence, segments, promos and interaction with the crowd that made him STONE COLD. He went from being a nobody with "no talent" because he wasn't given the chance to being a Stone Cold.
I think the writing is the key. TNA whenever they do "character-filled' shows, they get criticism online from morons on the net, and a Lance Storm. So TNA reads it and stops it.. and then they're doing wrestling
They have Russo to book and write charaters. i remember russo helped push so many stars, and he was interviewed about a "The Wall" and he said you couldn't blame the wrestler, it's the writer's job to help get the wrestler over.. it may be more difficult for some others.
Chet Lemon and Black Snow were hilarious. Booker T was classic character development. but to keep the momentum going, you need to give the "homegrowns" and "stars" something interesting to do, say every single week that will pop the crowd. Do not do generic promos and feuds that we have all seen.
Rock and Austin were not developed in a 'traditional' fashion. If you want to turn AJ and Joe into stars, you need them doing./saying stuff on a weekly basis that will a) pop the crowd and b) have it be different and show character traits that make people enjoy.
Same with foley, they liked his character. TNA needs to focus on the characters every week. They have 2 hours. Don't fill the time wasting it by doing wrestling. and Fuck all the people online who count the amount of minutes on a weekly episodic wrestling show. it's these people that are holding TNA back
klunderbunker
Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House
TNA doesn't read the rantings of people on the internet and if they do they're idiots. AJ and Joe aren't booked that way because they're not people that are bowed down to backstage. No one, not even Jeff Jarrett himself can tell me that the way the booking is going for TNA is the best method possible. Don't use it on wrestling? WHAT THE HELL? What do you want them to use it on? It's a wrestling show. What good is developing the characters for then? They're developed so they can be used in matches.
Marty2Hotty
Getting Noticed By Management
we're talking about creating stars. Did Rock and Austin and Foley get over by wrestling?
Did the nWo angle get over by wrestling?
Nope.
Austin 316 shirts sold like hell during the peak of the 90s. Was that due to wrestling? How did Austina nd Rock become household names?
It was due to what they did, said on a weekly basis that was different, exciting, controversial and popping the crowd like crazy that got them over.
You talk about people having the "it" factor. Did Vince McMahon become one of the greatest heels of all time by wrestling? Nope.. he was involved in entertaining segments with Austin and his real person screwed Bret at SS 97
It's a wrestlinng show yes. But you can't just put out 20 minute matches and hope it will stick. Imagine you put out 1 hr of wrestlin on a 1 hr 30 minute show (minus commercials). How is anyone getting over? why should people react to a wrestler to wrestling moves they have seen over and over again.
Goldberg came out with intensity, with pyro, with a noticeable theme. He'd come to the ring, KILL his opponents in under a minute and make it look cool. Fans loved it! That was exciting and for him, it worked.
You need people caring for the characters again. Nobody gets over by just wrestling.
You need wrestling matches on the show obviously. but you can book it with stuff going on so that the casual viewer watching will really enjoy and do not have a choice to stay on the show. that is what made the attitude era peak. It wasn't just a "typical wrestling show". it had crazy characters, storylines that didn't make people go "this is lame - so what if these guys are just fighting and wanting the belt"
Make the language more realistic more adult. Make it more spontaneous.
AJ and JOe do have potential. it's just a matter of whether they want to MAKE these guys into stars on a weekly basis. From what I have seen, they're kinda struggling to make MEM cool. but it's good that Sting and Kurt got sufficient time to talk. and a few weeks ago Booker got some "commentary" time much like STeiner - that is character development and that is sopmewhat entertaining
You need a lot of that for everyone on your roster on a 2 hour show. Sometimes I watch TNA, and 2 hours go by with tons of focus on the wrestling matches (where nothing significant happens) and I go "how is this going to make people NEED to come back the next week"
THat's how you build your audience
TO top that you need people talking about your show and the characters
When Austin/Rock were over... people the next day would talk about THEM specifically.
TNA needs to think "how am i going to write the show and have normal people talk about what AJ and Joe SAID and DID on last night's show"
As almost everytihng in wrestling has been done before, it is a little more difficult to do that. buty you need great writing.. and fantastic characters - i think Russo is the man. but TNA is soo afraid to take chances that I think it wont happen.
ODB's angle this week, as short as it was (1-2 mins) was entertaining.
Did the nWo angle get over by wrestling?
Nope.
Austin 316 shirts sold like hell during the peak of the 90s. Was that due to wrestling? How did Austina nd Rock become household names?
It was due to what they did, said on a weekly basis that was different, exciting, controversial and popping the crowd like crazy that got them over.
You talk about people having the "it" factor. Did Vince McMahon become one of the greatest heels of all time by wrestling? Nope.. he was involved in entertaining segments with Austin and his real person screwed Bret at SS 97
It's a wrestlinng show yes. But you can't just put out 20 minute matches and hope it will stick. Imagine you put out 1 hr of wrestlin on a 1 hr 30 minute show (minus commercials). How is anyone getting over? why should people react to a wrestler to wrestling moves they have seen over and over again.
Goldberg came out with intensity, with pyro, with a noticeable theme. He'd come to the ring, KILL his opponents in under a minute and make it look cool. Fans loved it! That was exciting and for him, it worked.
You need people caring for the characters again. Nobody gets over by just wrestling.
You need wrestling matches on the show obviously. but you can book it with stuff going on so that the casual viewer watching will really enjoy and do not have a choice to stay on the show. that is what made the attitude era peak. It wasn't just a "typical wrestling show". it had crazy characters, storylines that didn't make people go "this is lame - so what if these guys are just fighting and wanting the belt"
Make the language more realistic more adult. Make it more spontaneous.
AJ and JOe do have potential. it's just a matter of whether they want to MAKE these guys into stars on a weekly basis. From what I have seen, they're kinda struggling to make MEM cool. but it's good that Sting and Kurt got sufficient time to talk. and a few weeks ago Booker got some "commentary" time much like STeiner - that is character development and that is sopmewhat entertaining
You need a lot of that for everyone on your roster on a 2 hour show. Sometimes I watch TNA, and 2 hours go by with tons of focus on the wrestling matches (where nothing significant happens) and I go "how is this going to make people NEED to come back the next week"
THat's how you build your audience
TO top that you need people talking about your show and the characters
When Austin/Rock were over... people the next day would talk about THEM specifically.
TNA needs to think "how am i going to write the show and have normal people talk about what AJ and Joe SAID and DID on last night's show"
As almost everytihng in wrestling has been done before, it is a little more difficult to do that. buty you need great writing.. and fantastic characters - i think Russo is the man. but TNA is soo afraid to take chances that I think it wont happen.
ODB's angle this week, as short as it was (1-2 mins) was entertaining.
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Um, Austin became a face during the I Quit match. Foley is most famous for the HIAC match. NWO got over because of Bash at the Beach and Hogan being involved in the match. Without those moments, those characters would have meant nothing at all.
At the end of the day, it's about the wrestling. You want to talk about Goldberg? What was he famous for? NEVER LOSING A MATCH.
Why do you keep insisting on comparing AJ and Joe to Austin and Rock? Austin and Rock got over by being the best rivalry of that era, not by being friends. It's completely different.
At the end of the day, it's about the wrestling. You want to talk about Goldberg? What was he famous for? NEVER LOSING A MATCH.
Why do you keep insisting on comparing AJ and Joe to Austin and Rock? Austin and Rock got over by being the best rivalry of that era, not by being friends. It's completely different.
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