I think that may be the case as well. I may have missed but I didnt see any setup for this at all, just a random announcement of the change. It could be that they realized that Nash really can't go and the match would have been a disaster.
Night of Champions - No Disqualification - Triple H vs. CM Punk
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Hulk Hogan's Brother
Stop asking me what I'm gonna do!!!
Some people may think that WWE may have jumped the gun with HHH vs Punk but I for one feel that it is a good move. For one it gives you more time to tell the story to the fans. While HHH teasing a full fledged heel turn for a while would have been nice, the story can only get better and better once HHH is fully established as a heel and Punk is a full blown face. Remember, in Austin vs McMahon, it was clear from the onset who was the bad guy. If that story did not have to rely on a tease why should the modern day employee vs boss story rely on one.
Another thing that I feel is that HHH and Punk would not really go all out at NOC. It is going to end in a beatdown with HHH, Nash and maybe even Truth and Miz beating down Punk to a pulp. I expect it to be short at NOC with a full blown match coming at either HIAC or Survivor Series. Hell, maybe even Cabana and KOW can join Punk at Survivor Series for a 4 on 4 Survivor Series elimination match.
Another thing that I feel is that HHH and Punk would not really go all out at NOC. It is going to end in a beatdown with HHH, Nash and maybe even Truth and Miz beating down Punk to a pulp. I expect it to be short at NOC with a full blown match coming at either HIAC or Survivor Series. Hell, maybe even Cabana and KOW can join Punk at Survivor Series for a 4 on 4 Survivor Series elimination match.
5. In a short to medium match or even a long hard fought match, Nash come to the ring and HHH tease sending him back or defending Punk, take the sledge hammer or chair from Nash hands only to beat Punk with it. HHH and Nash then pose in the ring with maybe even Laurinaitis and the new corporation is borned for Punk to fight. Punk would then have multiple match to fight before fighting Nash at RR or No Way Out (or before if you don't want it to end at Mania) and Punk would then have his rematch with HHH at Mania.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
Let's keep it all in here.
Wade's Public Transit Bomb
Championship Contender
Can't wait for HHH to bury dat ass. Then again, I also said that Punk would be tapping like a bitch for Cena. 
I think someone backstage has finally caught on that Punk's current shooty shoot character doesn't have a long shelf life. When you start at the top mountain, there's only some much stepping area before you start falling down. Which the Nexus stuff last year, they at least got more time out of it because they refocused it to be specifically Wade Barrett vs John Cena.
However, I don't see them getting 5 months of interesting television of Punk vs HHH when they have struggled to get 5 segments that were interesting. Punk is acting like a total douchebag in his segments with HHH but as soon as HHH isn't around to be a punchline, we are suppose to feel for Punk getting his ass kicked. That doesn't make sense and the crowd's deteriorating interest in the segments have really been obvious.
And I like HHH, but I don't think he is good at sharing a spotlight (or "putting people over"). Everything that goes on with him HAS to involve HHH. He is all the guys calling the match talk about. It takes 50 fucking nearfalls to take him out, long after the crowd stops caring about the match. In promos with other people, all that really happens is HHH praised as the bestest best thing ever.
I am cold blooded and fucking hate CM Punk, so I hope HHH pedigree's him back to the midcard tbh
I think someone backstage has finally caught on that Punk's current shooty shoot character doesn't have a long shelf life. When you start at the top mountain, there's only some much stepping area before you start falling down. Which the Nexus stuff last year, they at least got more time out of it because they refocused it to be specifically Wade Barrett vs John Cena.
However, I don't see them getting 5 months of interesting television of Punk vs HHH when they have struggled to get 5 segments that were interesting. Punk is acting like a total douchebag in his segments with HHH but as soon as HHH isn't around to be a punchline, we are suppose to feel for Punk getting his ass kicked. That doesn't make sense and the crowd's deteriorating interest in the segments have really been obvious.
And I like HHH, but I don't think he is good at sharing a spotlight (or "putting people over"). Everything that goes on with him HAS to involve HHH. He is all the guys calling the match talk about. It takes 50 fucking nearfalls to take him out, long after the crowd stops caring about the match. In promos with other people, all that really happens is HHH praised as the bestest best thing ever.
I am cold blooded and fucking hate CM Punk, so I hope HHH pedigree's him back to the midcard tbh
CodeBreakingLegend13
Occasional Pre-Show
Can't wait for HHH to bury dat ass. Then again, I also said that Punk would be tapping like a bitch for Cena.
I think someone backstage has finally caught on that Punk's current shooty shoot character doesn't have a long shelf life. When you start at the top mountain, there's only some much stepping area before you start falling down. Which the Nexus stuff last year, they at least got more time out of it because they refocused it to be specifically Wade Barrett vs John Cena.
However, I don't see them getting 5 months of interesting television of Punk vs HHH when they have struggled to get 5 segments that were interesting. Punk is acting like a total douchebag in his segments with HHH but as soon as HHH isn't around to be a punchline, we are suppose to feel for Punk getting his ass kicked. That doesn't make sense and the crowd's deteriorating interest in the segments have really been obvious.
And I like HHH, but I don't think he is good at sharing a spotlight (or "putting people over"). Everything that goes on with him HAS to involve HHH. He is all the guys calling the match talk about. It takes 50 fucking nearfalls to take him out, long after the crowd stops caring about the match. In promos with other people, all that really happens is HHH praised as the bestest best thing ever.
I am cold blooded and fucking hate CM Punk, so I hope HHH pedigree's him back to the midcard tbh
I respect your opinion and everything but Punk isnt going no where. If he is going anywhere from this point forward, its up.
I think this match cant end clean, in any fashion. HHH isnt gonna beat Punk clean, he wouldnt hurt Punks momentum right now. Punk wont beat HHH cleany because we are almost in the centre of this feud at the moment. Punk beating Triple H needs to be saved for the final confrontation.
I see one of them turning heel, and i dont think it can be Punk. I dont think it would make sense for the boss to be the good guy.
I see Triple H and Kevin Nash screw Punk in this match and prove that Punk wwas right all along with them working together.
Wade's Public Transit Bomb
Championship Contender
Actually, Cena is the "Up" button on Raw. He already been there, done that.
I've made it no secret I hate Punk, but in all honesty, what "momentum" can Punk possibly have at this point? All he is doing is taking cheap shots at HHH and his wife (for no fucking reason mind you) and whining about whatever he whines. Someone just made a thread about him getting "too" arrogant; I don't think he is. I think he is getting too uninteresting for the people who might give a damn about what he is doing. The crowd reactions are near dead. It might have something to do with seeing pretty much the same promo for over a month now. There hasn't been any angle progression.
Well over a month into the feud and no established roles yet? No wonder the crowd doesn't give a shit. The clean win is for the good guy in the feud. Punk is acting like a dick, Nash isn't adding much either and HHH is just kinda of there. Why root for anyone of them at this point?
Annnnddddd a whiny and snarky douchebag is a 'good guy'? Esp in an climate of good guys do what is right because it is the right thing to do.. Yeah.
ok after reading alot of these posts theres good predictions. but let me get this out, is X-pac supposed to come back? i saw a few mentioned him.
but after reading, i think something else is comming. Now that i have multiple ideas of what might happen, i feel that theres going to be some sort of change and its not going to be HHH vs. Punk...something is going to happen
but after reading, i think something else is comming. Now that i have multiple ideas of what might happen, i feel that theres going to be some sort of change and its not going to be HHH vs. Punk...something is going to happen
Hoganistheman
Dark Match Jobber
I really feel as this storyline goes on that there is going too be a big screw job at NOC. I really believe some incarnation of the nWo is coming back with Nash,Triple H and a third guy and that third guy will play out like Hogan did back in WCW at survivor series in a tag match like at bash at the beach. I really think the 3rd guy is going too be a huge surprise and no one will see it coming and maybe Cena will be that huge surprise bc who is more like Hogan than him
GarethThyer
Dark Match Jobber
Must admit i didnt expect to see this happening... so early anyway. There's obviously going to be interference from Nash and maybe someone else.
What I can see happening is, 'Taker's gong going off, lights out etc and maybe costing Triple H the match up. Then over the weeks, his mind games etc then leading to a match at possible Vengeance/Hell In A Cell/Survivor Series.
I could be completely wrong, but hopefully WWE has something else up their sleeve than just the obvious Nash interference.
What I can see happening is, 'Taker's gong going off, lights out etc and maybe costing Triple H the match up. Then over the weeks, his mind games etc then leading to a match at possible Vengeance/Hell In A Cell/Survivor Series.
I could be completely wrong, but hopefully WWE has something else up their sleeve than just the obvious Nash interference.
As everyone else is saying, I think that NOC is too early for this match to happen. But for that reason, I think WWE will have an indecisive outcome (count-out/DQ) so that they can continue this rivalry much longer.
I read that it was actually meant to be Nash vs Punk but for health reasons Nash can't wrestle? I don't know if this is true or not (sorry for being uninformed) but if this is the case, I think it's a shame because otherwise I imagine WWE would have cooked up a much cooler return for HHH to the ring and as a result it's our loss in the end.
I read that it was actually meant to be Nash vs Punk but for health reasons Nash can't wrestle? I don't know if this is true or not (sorry for being uninformed) but if this is the case, I think it's a shame because otherwise I imagine WWE would have cooked up a much cooler return for HHH to the ring and as a result it's our loss in the end.
He Went To Jared
Baddest Mutha Fucka on the World
it was said that people who attended the show didn't see the video of HHH telling Punk of the match change..i guess they didn't play it, or something messed up.
i'm hoping that Punk wins this one, HHH winning would kill any kind of steam he has. I agree that this match was announced too soon, i wish they would of waited a week, i don't mind that this match happens at NOC. I've said since Nash came back that he wasn't going to wrestle, he's just going to be for show. He's too old to wrestle like he use to.
TWJC: The Beginning
Royal Rumble Winner
I love that this match is no DQ. You could say that it's too early, but why does every feud have to have a 1 match, 2 match, gimmick match, super gimmick match pattern? This is personal. Thus, it makes sense that it's no DQ.
A non-regular match doesn't mean it's a blowoff match. My guess is because it's no DQ, something crazy happens. Maybe Nash "sticks" HHH and then we have HHH accusing Punk of being in cahoots with Nash, to which Punk will be like "you're crazy, I still don't believe it".
I'm as much intrigued by how this match could end as I am the potential high-quality brawl we'll no doubt see. Both guys understand the value of slowing things down and selling brutality. Gonna be epic.
A non-regular match doesn't mean it's a blowoff match. My guess is because it's no DQ, something crazy happens. Maybe Nash "sticks" HHH and then we have HHH accusing Punk of being in cahoots with Nash, to which Punk will be like "you're crazy, I still don't believe it".
I'm as much intrigued by how this match could end as I am the potential high-quality brawl we'll no doubt see. Both guys understand the value of slowing things down and selling brutality. Gonna be epic.
AngryCenaFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
this whole fucking angle is being hot shotted to death. you don't need all these stipulations for the first meeting, you're selling one PPV w/it instead of 2-3.
short sided, dumb booking, reeks of no direction
short sided, dumb booking, reeks of no direction
TWJC: The Beginning
Royal Rumble Winner
your post reeks of short-sided, dumb opinions.
How do YOU know it's short sided? They are probably going somewhere else with it. Plus, Hell in a Cell is coming up. Punk vs HHH is extremely personal already. A no DQ makes perfect sense. It's not like it was a street fight (although essientiall the same thing, just saying no DQ doesn't sound as harsh) or a last man standing. It's just no DQ. They can have their next match in the Cell to prevent outside interference.
Why the hell do people think they know the whole story just after 1 show? Jesus fuck man don't just go "FUCKIN STUPID, DUMB DUMB DUMB" and actually THINK for one fucking second.
AngryCenaFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
I'm short sided? ROFL.
Their whole storyline jumped the shark, the Nash text coulda gone a million ways, but he texted himself? garbage....then you already have a contract signed....then you had not one, but two stipulations? is Russo working for WWE again? LOL!
gurvinder372
Occasional Pre-Show
It can still go million ways. Who knows Nash might be lying or HHH himself might be lying. Maybe, they wanna keep face-ish feel to HHH till they get closer to wrestlemania. Or may be, as TWJC has already mentioned, it could be a plot by Stephanie to overthrow HHH out of COO office. She might have wanted the COO post, so she thought of this master plan of using CM punk to take out both Vince and HHH out of WWE top spot.
Its far from over, because i think there is more to Steph wishing luck to punk and Punk continuesly insulting HHH to provoke him to agree to this stipulation. No body knows HHH more than Steph, so she might have thought if Punk can keep insulting HHH, HHH may agree to this stipulation of putting his COO post on the line.
TWJC: The Beginning
Royal Rumble Winner
Well, Nash had a health problem so they probably had to change it.
2 stipulations is not russo booking. Russo booking is 2 stipulations signed for the match, turns out it's actually a first blood cage match where you win by being the second person to bleed.
It's not overbooking, there isn't a problem. Everything makes sense so far and there are definately options for the future. Have you ever seen the movie Memento? It doesn't make a lot of sense at first. By your logic, you should just stop watching it after 30 minutes.
Let me ask you this smart guy, who would you have had text nash? How would YOU have done it? Would you have had a paint by the numbers little thing where HHH actually texted nash but we don't out till the end and it's corporation all over again with Punk as Austin or some other attitude era mark nostalgia-driven shit idea?
AngryCenaFan
Pre-Show Stalwart
Who would I have sent the text? John Laurinitis via Vince McMahon, in an attempt to extract control of his company back by creating chaos, making triple H look bad, and taking out CM Punk, who essentially had Vince lose his company. It makes sense. Vince has "his" guys like Miz, who has been put on the backburner since Vince left, plenty of guys would be willing to fight for him.
The whole text explanation makes NO sense.
First we were told HHH left Nash tickets at will call, guess what, that's not backstage.
Second, how would Nash get in HHH's office without HHH ever seeing him throughout an entire day? surely he'd know his friend is backstage, no?
Texting himself from HHH's phone? it just sounds dumb, and the reasoning for Nash attacking Punk is dumb.
The first match didn't need the HHH must resign stipulation. DQ? Okay, but resigning? seems like alot for their first match
The whole text explanation makes NO sense.
First we were told HHH left Nash tickets at will call, guess what, that's not backstage.
Second, how would Nash get in HHH's office without HHH ever seeing him throughout an entire day? surely he'd know his friend is backstage, no?
Texting himself from HHH's phone? it just sounds dumb, and the reasoning for Nash attacking Punk is dumb.
The first match didn't need the HHH must resign stipulation. DQ? Okay, but resigning? seems like alot for their first match
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
I don't think hot shotted is the right term for it. For certain, Punk vs HHH is being rushed, but hot shot is more proper for if they had played it all out on Raw instead of a PPV.
And this is another reason I don't see it as a hot shot; hot shot implies it's a big money deal being rushed and given away for free. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I'm in no hurry to see a Punk vs HHH series of matches over the next few months. I thought the whole point of Punk was to see and do new things, not do the same old "feed him to HHH" routine.
I'm sure you meant "short sighted". Dumb booking? Meh. Silly, I guess. No direction? I don't know about that. The finish smells to me like another Nash interference, but there really are a few ways to go with it. Maybe not GOOD ways, but ways nonetheless.
He made an honest error. You, were you capable with the English language, would have picked up on it. Instead, you just repeat it in the type of comeback a 3rd grader would use. Props to you, champ.
El oh fucking el.
Because so far you've shown how capable you are with that. Granted, you made one decent point, but your language fail shows that even the sun shines on a dog's ass. And it begs the question: do we really want to have a Punk vs HHH feud which streches on for months? I don't really think that's what Punk should be doing right now. I mean, I dig the whole "Punk vs The System" feel they are going for, but ACF has a point about it being rushed. Nash was clearly a bigger cog going into this, and had they slowed down the build just a little bit his failure at a physical and his upcoming movie shoot wouldn't have needed such an awkward feeling twist/reveal such as "Nash texted himself". We've been built for a few weeks to expect Nash vs Punk, and this is a curve ball whether you want to admit it or not.
Do you even know what that term means anymore?
Sun shine. Dog's ass.
Russo would've put the contract on a pole and had a midget run-in. And it would have been a girl. In bra and panties.
Which WWE should have screened BEFORE making Nash the critical part of a major storyline. I may not share the outrage others have for these twists, but WWE does deserve a ******-slap upside the head for giving this all a green light before checking whether Nash could even walk out to the ring on his own, let alone handle a PPV match.
It's still ridiculous booking which puts an already do-or-die push for Punk further into treacherous waters.
Sorry, you lost me at "everything makes sense so far". Nash texting himself does not really make sense so far. Sure, it's a question that can be answered eventually, but it's awkward. Memento is supposed to be odd; it was written and filmed to make little sense. This is supposed to be a mystery "whodunnit" angle, and instead we get Nash involving himself for no reason (which ostensibly could have been to get a contract, but seeing as he can't pass a physical that makes little sense) and HHH all of a sudden getting butt hurt by Punk when way back when he was talking about how he was used to peeps like him (U mad, Hunter?).
You know, when I get around to making my thread about the "IWC", half of it is going to be about idiots like you who like to talk shit about the "IWC" and "S/Marks" and come off as enlightened or mature when in actuality you are as childish and remarkably ******ed as those you knock on. This has been a Punk vs "The System" kind of deal since before HHH was involved, so in this case it's not their fault for thinking the angle would play out that way.
In closing: both of you fuck off already.
TWJC: The Beginning
Royal Rumble Winner
I actually knew he misspell reeks or wreaks or however it's actually spelled, I didn't care to look up the actual spelling and still really don't care because I know what he meant and it doesn't matter. If I understood his message why would I go "btw lolz at the spelling" instead of analysing his post? Kinda dumb and pointless.DirtyJosé;3396428 said:
Yes, they should have screened him first. I agree with that.
Yes it does still make sense. Everything could be explained. Maybe Nash DIDN'T text himself? It's stupid to say "it doesn't make sense" this early on. If this is 2020 and we're talking about how it didn't make sense, that's different. However, it happened less than 12 hours ago. Jumping the gun a bit.
Punk is also the type of character that brainwashes people. It'd be smart booking for him to use this sympathy to just gain more control.
Unlike the majority of the IWC, I don't post things because I think they should happen. I look at it from a more objective, business standpoint. Most of the IWC thinks that their opinions are shared by everyone else. It's why you see "WWE should take Cena off TV forever" or "turn Cena heel" threads which may as well be "Coca Cola should stop selling Coke" or "Coke should change the formula for Coke".
In closing, if the point of your thread was to tell 2 people discussing something to stop discussing them in a discussion forum.....why even bother? Why not just go to a different thread? Also, criticizing me for criticizing the IWC? At least I add somethin to the conversation. It's not all smugness. I throw in logic and business sense and provide reasons for why the WWE is doing what they're doing.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Um...so, even after I corrected him and you, you still don't get it. Ok there, champ.
Except that as we all know at this point, Nash can't compete. So the whole point of making him the focus of everything is a waste. He can't wrestle a PPV match. And he's leaving soon to shoot for a movie. Why keep him around again? Oh yeah, that's right, we don't really need him, so it's "YOU'RE FIRED" and we're over it. Yes, there could be another explanation, but there could also be better storytelling, which was the point.
How is that smart booking for a tweener-face like Punk? Use your words, champ.
Oh yes, tell us more about the school you haven't finished yet, or how that shitty program equates to an inside knowledge of a wrestling business you know nothing about except for what you read on dirtsheets and what you see on tv.
Well, half of the IWC is that way. The other half is assholes like you who think that Coke and Cena need defending. You are just as stupid and annoying as the legions of "CENA NEEDS TO TURN HEEL NAU!" morons, and there are just as many of your types as there are those types. You aren't the IWC-Crusader, buddy, so drop it already.
I thought that's what I was telling you to do?
This match is just odd booking. On one hand, you risk putting out the flame that's been under Punk's ass for months. And on the other hand, you complicate and already complicated storyline by removing HHH from power just as his reign started. There are explanations for it all, sure, but that doesn't mean that they could have been done better from the get-go. I side with the sentiment that it's a little too soon for Punk vs HHH.
He Went To Jared
Baddest Mutha Fucka on the World
I actually agree that the whole "Nash texting himself" is totally lame. I was actually kinda upset when the whole stipulation where HHH resigns was added too, i don't think i like where this is going but i kinda would of liked something like what you said about the text coming form John Laryngitis instead.
all i know is that there is definitely more than this than what we know, i still honestly think that HHH and Nash are working together and when that's revealed it will turn HHH into the heal everyone's been waiting for
wwe fan2009
Pre-Show Stalwart
Nash will obviously come back at NOC but to help who?? Maybe the whole Nash/Punk thing is a setup and Nash costs hhh the match and he has to resign. Next night on raw nash/punk come out and say we did it. we got hhh out of power. However we couldnt have done it without this person. The new COO of the WWE.............. Stephanie McMahon. She could say when Vince was fired it should have been me named COO cause I am a McMahon by blood.
