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Treatment is one thing. An operation is another. If they're given something like being told how to live a healthy life, then I'd be fine with that. I'm seeing a big difference between eating too much and eating too little.

They're both making the choice on how much to eat though. Why is one worse than the other?

Seeing how difficult this can be? Imagine getting 3000000 people to agree on this. It's never going to pass, but because of it more rich people stay rich while poor people die, so it all balances out.

Exactly. If we decide who gets treatment for what, as your suggesting, the rich people can afford to pay privately so live, whereas the poor people can't afford that luxury and die. That sounds great.
 
Well yeah it's true that ideally people who have knowingly caused their condition shouldn't be helped as easily as others but it's not that simple. With something like obesity, you can leave people alone to sort it out themselves and justify it by saying you're saving public money but in the long run, it rarely works out as cheaper because of all the other health problems that come along with being overweight. 10k for a gastric band op or however much it'd cost for 20 years of insulin, hospital stays etc.

If the people can afford to eat that much, they can afford to buy their own insurance to pay for it.

I'm sorry but I have a BIG problem saying that obesity and something you're born with like a disease or a disorder are the same things and should be treated the same.
 
They're both making the choice on how much to eat though. Why is one worse than the other?

Because obesity is much more easily cured. I was considered obese. Know what I did? Worked out more and stopped eating as much bad food. Now i'm lighter, skinnier and more healthy.
 
You can die from cancer, not from being depressed.

Oh man, I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic. You couldn't be more wrong and unfortunately I've first hand experience of both. I'm telling you right now, I'd rather have cancer again and be mentally healthy than how I am now.
 
Oh man, I'd laugh if it wasn't so tragic. You couldn't be more wrong and unfortunately I've first hand experience of both. I'm telling you right now, I'd rather have cancer again and be mentally healthy than how I am now.

No, I'm right. Cancer: had it too. Scariest thing I've ever dealt with. Mental health there are ways to cure it, and while it's scary as hell too, I'd rather have it and be scared and not sick than scared and sick.
 
I'm sorry but I have a BIG problem saying that obesity and something you're born with like a disease or a disorder are the same things and should be treated the same.
EXACTLY!

My brother has mental, And psyhical disablities. He can't read, Write, He has VERY limited speech so majority of our conversations are in sign. He has the mental age of a 5 year old, And no sense of danger. YET my family has to fight for every last FUCKING penny to help him improve his standard of living.

It makes me want to punch every fucking fat person i meet, In the face with a fucking rock in my hand. They bring this shit on themselves, And then want disability benefits because they are too fucking lazy to fucking work anymore.

If it was up to me, I'd cut them open with a fucking butcher knife and use a fucking ******* henry hover on the selfish *****.
 
No, I'm right. Cancer: had it too. Scariest thing I've ever dealt with. Mental health there are ways to cure it, and while it's scary as hell too, I'd rather have it and be scared and not sick than scared and sick.

Nope you're wrong, you can clearly die from depression. To say otherwise is just ridiculous. And yeah, for some people they can be cured, but for most that's not the case, it's simply made tolerable for those who are lucky enough to respond positively. For most, medication is a vicious cycle of side-effects, horrendous, awful withdrawl (which is when most people kill themselves), new meds, new side-effects and so on.

I did write a long reply on depression but even after 12 years I still can't adequately describe it to anyone so there is little point in trying. All I can say it's not feeling miserable or uncomfortable with yourself.
 
The blatantly false propaganda commercials on air that say that people in England have to wait "a long time" to get "vital" surgeries and end up dying really piss me off.

I don't think I can get health care, because of my thyroid problem. I guess this means I'm going to have to pay for my medication for the rest of my life. Also, this condition weakens my immune system. So, I can't get health care because of my preexisting condition, but because of my preexisting condition I'm more likely to get sick.
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The average waiting time in A&E is around 2.5 hours in England. you get your op as soon as possible, Probably the same day depending on the circumstances.
 
If the people can afford to eat that much, they can afford to buy their own insurance to pay for it.
I'm sorry but I have a BIG problem saying that obesity and something you're born with like a disease or a disorder are the same things and should be treated the same.

I must have missed this.
I'm 50/50 on the cause of obesity. On one hand I think it's been genetically established that it runs in the genes, which gives credence to a notion that it's not entirely the persons fault. On the other hand, isn't a bit silly to class every little character flaw or physical imperfection as an illness because it's genetically inherited? You remember The Simpsons episode where Lisa was told she'd never play Saxophone professionally because of her inherited stubbiness, is that in the same ballpark?
Anyway I'm getting off point, it seems deeply unfair to me that anyone could be financially screwed because they're significantly ill over a long period of time. I've said this before but healthcare can't be run as a private business without failing the very people who need it most. It's utterly fucking ******ed that the people who need insurance the most are being priced out of it, assuming they can even get insured in the first place. There has to at least be an alternative where the priority is patient care and not profits or shareholders.
People over here may complain about the NHS (they complain about everything infact) but there would be riots if we abandoned it for your system.
 
Yeah, I was going as to ask the British or Canadian posters on here how many of their family members have died waiting for surgeries because they were simply lost in the NHS. According to these Republican attack ads, you guys shouldn't even be alive or have families at the moment.

This bill has passed the House. Woot. Now a separate bill will pass the Senate, after being gutted and retooled for months. Then, after both bills are finally passed, a separate committee will take over and try to meld the bills together. After that new bill is made, it either goes to the President for a signature, or it goes back to the House and Senate to be passed. I can't remember which, but either way it'll be a long time before the Health Care Bill actually reaches Obama's desk.

I find it increasingly more frustrating the more I see these "Christian" politicians fighting helping the sick or giving money to the poor. Welfare is horrible, Medicaid is shit because we need to give tax breaks to the wealthy and pump more money into programs we don't need. Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure God said something about healing the sick, giving to the poor, and not spending hundreds of billions of dollars on two wars that have slowly but surely lost their footing. I'll back the Afghanistan war, but I won't ever back the Iraq War. That thing was a clusterfuck since Day One. I'm just sorry that our troops had to die in that, and that hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens died in the bombings/subsequent civil war.

You know what though, don't listen to me. I'm just the kid who is going to not be able to find health insurance after he's kicked off of TriCARE because he's too old to be a military dependent in 3 years and can't get new insurance because I have asthma, sinus issues, and probably will be tagged with Depression/some sort of mental disease after my shrink visit Tuesday. Asthma and sinus problems that could make me go blind without medication are two pretty pre-existing conditions that I'm hoping will be let through by the insurance companies, but mental illness? I'm doubting it, especially if I have to take incredibly expensive medication. I'll be kicked to the curb. You know it's bad when I'm hoping I'll not make enough money to transcend the poverty line. Then I can get Medicare, and get the medication I need and still feed myself with the money I make from my job.

But! If they institute a national option for Healthcare we'll shortly become Socialists. It's weird how everyone seems to hate Socialism over here, but we fucking suck the dick of Britain and Canada for help in our wars. They're probably the prime examples of Socialism to our lonely eyes, and we demonize their political philosophies while wanting them to have our back in the wars we wage.

We're going to be good, God-fearing Americans that love our Constitution, god damn it. And to be good, God-fearing Americans we have to suck it up when we're dying of a disease and can't cure it, starve to death instead of taking some of those Government Food Stamps, and we have to vote Republican. Because we all know Reagan is the second-coming of Jesus Christ. He instituted Reaganomics, that wonderful policy that gave us decades of economic growth!
 
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Yeah, I was going as to ask the British or Canadian posters on here how many of their family members have died waiting for surgeries because they were simply lost in the NHS. According to these Republican attack ads, you guys shouldn't even be alive or have families at the moment.
What makes you think I am alive?
 
I don't know how shit works over in Canada, But if we need a course of medication we have to pay for it. It's not alot, The price varies depending on the person, But if we need the medication constantly we get it free.

So if I had torn a muscle, Or needed 4 weeks worth of antibiotics I'd have to pay. If I needed blood pressure pills, I'd get them on repeat perscription which wouldn't be charged for.
 
We don't even know how shit works. The Canadian government keeps most of us pretty doped up.
 
I don't know how shit works over in Canada, But if we need a course of medication we have to pay for it. It's not alot, The price varies depending on the person, But if we need the medication constantly we get it free.

So if I had torn a muscle, Or needed 4 weeks worth of antibiotics I'd have to pay. If I needed blood pressure pills, I'd get them on repeat perscription which wouldn't be charged for.

You'd have to pay a deductible, or the full price? A deductible, I'm guessing. Like on TriCARE, I have to pay something like $12 for name brand or $3 for generic prescriptions that would run me hundreds of dollars. My brother got eye surgeries that would have cost tens of thousands of dollars each for $20 a pop while on TriCARE and Medicaid or Medicare. I can never remember which one covers old people which one covers poor people.

The problem with American insurance is that the premiums on private insurance are outrageously high, and people with any sort of pre-existing condition are denied health insurance. They literally have to pay full price for a medical visit over a broken leg or a heart attack because they have a pre-existing condition that made their ovaries an odd shape. It makes no sense. At all.
 
Yeah, I was going as to ask the British or Canadian posters on here how many of their family members have died waiting for surgeries because they were simply lost in the NHS.

None... at all and no-one I know does either. If anyone I knew had died because of that you can be sure I would have heard about it because we fucking love to complain.

But! If they institute a national option for Healthcare we'll shortly become Socialists. It's weird how everyone seems to hate Socialism over here, but we fucking suck the dick of Britain and Canada for help in our wars.

But socialism is like... communism maaaan. Better dead than red, right?
 
None... at all and no-one I know does either. If anyone I knew had died because of that you can be sure I would have heard about it because we fucking love to complain.

Huh. How about long, 6+ hour waits while in dirty, unclean hospitals? I've heard from my television all of your hospitals are unclean and can't see anyone properly unless they wait for a day.

...Of course, I also heard that I should vote for a guy as my governor because he wouldn't let those gays adopt some non-adopted orphans.



But socialism is like... communism maaaan. Better dead than red, right?

I swear, you would think that's sarcasm. But no, it's like I've gone back in time to the McCarthy era or something. The Red Scare, all right. When we will start the Lieberman Hearings?
 
Huh. How about long, 6+ hour waits while in dirty, unclean hospitals? I've heard from my television all of your hospitals are unclean and can't see anyone properly unless they wait for a day.

Well they're not as clean as E.R. or Scrubs but I wouldn't call them dirty.
My most recent experience of hospital was only last week. Had to phone for an ambulance because my mum had a bad reaction to some new meds. Friday night (incredibly busy because Friday is blowout night for the drunks) ambulance was here within 2 minutes at 1am in the morning, went to hospital, tested, checked over, given antihistamines and was discharged just after 4am.
 
You lie!

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Huh. How about long, 6+ hour waits while in dirty, unclean hospitals? I've heard from my television all of your hospitals are unclean and can't see anyone properly unless they wait for a day.

The longest wait i've ever had was for 4 hours, for a suspected broken thumb.it was on a saturday night, In a ER/A&E full of drunkards with alcohol poisoning.

Because you know, They could have popped their clogs. Whereas my injury wasn't life threatening.
 

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