New Health Care Bill Passed and Other Political Chatter

[FromTheSouth]

I don't know what you're laughing about. Next week in CLDL may be national healthcare week. I think I can come up with six NHC topics.

 

[SSJPhenom]

I don't know what you're laughing about. Next week in CLDL may be national healthcare week. I think I can come up with six NHC topics.

Ok. NHC doesn't scare me.

BTW I love the topic that you gave me. I'm working on my first response right now.

 

[X]

Don't. Fuck. With Wendy. Testeberger.

 

[Shocky]

so quick question, Oil prices have gone up, and Bush isn't in office? how is this possible since you know, Bush was helping out his big oil buddies, or at least that's what I've been told. Is Obama now a dirty Oil pusher?

 

[Ty Burna]

I was a big fan of McCain a number of years back, and still am a fan of his today. He typically sticks to his ideals and will cross party lines to get the job done.

However, what disappointed me with McCain in the presidential election, was it seemed to me like he threw away what made him popular and a good Senator in the first place by falling back into the same old political campaign bullshit of smearing the opposition and taking basically every stance possible to gain the Conservative vote. Very bad strategy and it turned me away from voting for him. He basically had the Conservative vote already there was no need to completely fall into that pool and completely bash all liberals. But that's just my opinion, I'm not sure he would have been able to overtake Obamamania either way.

 

[Moon Knight]

I was a big fan of McCain a number of years back, and still am a fan of his today. He typically sticks to his ideals and will cross party lines to get the job done.

However, what disappointed me with McCain in the presidential election, was it seemed to me like he threw away what made him popular and a good Senator in the first place by falling back into the same old political campaign bullshit of smearing the opposition and taking basically every stance possible to gain the Conservative vote. Very bad strategy and it turned me away from voting for him. He basically had the Conservative vote already there was no need to completely fall into that pool and completely bash all liberals. But that's just my opinion, I'm not sure he would have been able to overtake Obamamania either way.

I agree with this the most part, but from what I have seen some conservatives didn't like McCain because he is seen as a tad liberal by a them. I don't think he had that vote locked up, hell some popular ones said they would vote for Hilary over him.

 

[Ty Burna]

I agree with this the most part, but from what I have seen some conservatives didn't like McCain because he is seen as a tad liberal by a them. I don't think he had that vote locked up, hell some popular ones said they would vote for Hilary over him.

True but a majority of the conservatives would vote for him, so why not make a play for the moderates on both sides? Obama had a clear cut majority of liberals, and McCain had the conservatives. But what made the difference was the moderates, and McCain did a piss poor job plying for their vote.

 

[Moon Knight]

True but a majority of the conservatives would vote for him, so why not make a play for the moderates on both sides? Obama had a clear cut majority of liberals, and McCain had the conservatives. But what made the difference was the moderates, and McCain did a piss poor job plying for their vote.

Piss poor doesn't even begin to cover it. Watching that election it was obvious how hard McCain was trying to be conservative and that killed any chance he had to get enough moderates to win. Of course some voted for him, but with the way he was acting and Palin made his ticket seem way to right wing for most. If he went too far left he would anger conservatives, but I thought Palin was supposed to please them so he could go to the center, baffles me why he didn't do it and chose to get embrassed by Obama for over 2 months. In hind sight I would have voted third party. Maybe the Libertarian party, thats who I voted for in CA Gov race.

 

[Ty Burna]

Piss poor doesn't even begin to cover it. Watching that election it was obvious how hard McCain was trying to be conservative and that killed any chance he had to get enough moderates to win. Of course some voted for him, but with the way he was acting and Palin made his ticket seem way to right wing for most. If he went too far left he would anger conservatives, but I thought Palin was supposed to please them so he could go to the center, baffles me why he didn't do it and chose to get embrassed by Obama for over 2 months. In hind sight I would have voted third party. Maybe the Libertarian party, thats who I voted for in CA Gov race.

That brings up another point, the Palin choice for VP was horrendous beyond words. McCain had plenty of experience, so why crush any possible chance of using your experience against your opponent by selecting a VP that has done as much work as a governor that a typical town mayor does? Obama was known to not be very experienced on the national political scene, so with Palin he picked someone that hadn't even dabbled in it before. One solid choice of an experienced politician would have given McCain the excellent advantage to saying he and his VP have more experience and can handle adversity better. That was the most puzzling choice to me as he could have picked any other experienced politician that was more right wing such as Huckabee. Like you said, after picking a right wing VP he could have had that constituent locked up with his VP selection and gone for the middle. I think the biggest problem was he essentially went with the George Bush plan of attack in that regard, ignoring the middle and going for the evangelical and more right wing people. That may have worked in 2000 and 2004, but at this point that plan was no longer effective as many people started to take a moderate political stance.

Ultimately another problem was that McCain was seen as following too similar to Bush and I think a good portion of America was fed up with Bush's policies. I don't think you could blame McCain for that but you can blame him for not trying to distance himself away from that.