If Notre Dame loses next week it'll be a Oregon/Alabama National Championship if they both win out like they should.
But, the Irish ain't losing. And it will be Alabama vs. Notre Dame in the National Championship, as it should be. Fuck Oregon.
NCAA Football LD 2012-2013 Season
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If Notre Dame loses next week it'll be a Oregon/Alabama National Championship if they both win out like they should.
But, the Irish ain't losing. And it will be Alabama vs. Notre Dame in the National Championship, as it should be. Fuck Oregon.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I get the hate for the SEC, but do any of you really think K-State or Oregon is better than Alabama? I'd much rather see a Notre Dame/Alabama game than any of the other options.
I think Oregon is. When you look and see how A&M defeated Alabama, I firmly believe Oregon can do the exact same thing.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I don't see it. They were held to 14 points by Stanford. Oregon doesn't have a star quarterback like T A&M does.
I get why you would rather it be Oregon, though.
As a Notre Dame fan, which opponent scares you more... Alabama or Oregon?
I've been saying all year that I think Oregon is overrated and tonight I feel like I was proven right. Oregon should have lost tonight by two touchdowns. Stanford coughed up a few ridiculous fumbles and blew a couple of easy plays (like that 4 and 1 pass), yet they still won. How? To me, the key was clouding the box and putting the pressure on Mariota to beat you.
Mariota is actually the one thing about Oregon I really like and I expect him to do some big things in the future, but he's still a Freshman. I just knew if you took the run and those screen passes away from him, he couldn't win you a game just yet, ala Darron Thomas from the last couple of years. It's what Notre Dame and any of the other good teams in the top 10 with good defenses would have done or will do if they still get the opportunity to play them.
Uhh...what?
Mariota, who is also a redshirt quarterback, was ranked 7th this week in ESPN's Heisman rankings. I realize that's not as high as Manziel, but that's still a star.
Fuck no, I'd rather play Alabama as a Notre Dame fan. I think Oregon would give us far more trouble. If we were to let Oregon get up by a couple of touchdowns on us, the game would be over. I don't have the same fear with Alabama.I get why you would rather it be Oregon, though.
Oregon. Easily.
I think Notre Dame matches up VERY well with Alabama. With the exception, possibly, of the kicking game, there's nothing Alabama does that's noticeably better than what Notre Dame does. On the other hand, Oregon's offense is clearly an exceptional offense, even if they did struggle tonight.
Nah, Stanford is a hell of a team. Getting defeated by a great team like Stanford is nothing to sneeze at.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I was not aware of that. Never even heard the kid's name before. Fuck man, I can call College Football players "kids" now.
Stanford completely outplayed Oregon tonight, why is there any reason to think that Notre Dame can"t do the same?
I remember when I went to the ND game a few weeks ago...watching the players do the walk to the stadium, it just reminds you how young some of them really are.
Oregon has the ability to run away from a team. Alabama does not. Notre Dame has an exceptional defense, but you cannot count on the offense to win a track meet. If De'Anthony Thomas breaks a return for a TD, Barner gets the edge and gets a TD, and ND is down 14 points right away, the game is already over.
If Alabama gets a 14 point lead on a couple of plays like that, they become fluke plays, and Notre Dame can still hold Alabama's offense down. The big-play, quick strike ability of Oregon is much more worrisome than Alabama's pedestrian offense and defense which got blown up by a mobile quarterback who can throw...you know, the exact same type of quarterback Notre Dame has.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
The only way that there won't be an all-SEC title game again is if Florida loses to Florida State. Florida is the only tricky team in all of this.
Notre Dame isn't in the SEC...
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Forgot to add if ND beats USC. Still surprised that Kansas State is above Oregon since KState lost to a 4-5 team by 28 while Oregon lost by 3.
JJYanks121
The Mouth of the South Shore
I'm actually excited at what happened yesterday. Now the SEC can and will keep their streak going.
Yes, for everyone trying to say "overrated" or downplaying the SEC teams, keep in mind they are on top of the world. They have won the last SIX BCS titles. It's not a fluke when they've done it that long.
Also, we've heard it before. As a Florida fan, I can tell you that the Gators were heavily picked against in both 06 and 08. In 2006, Ohio State was undefeated, had the Heisman trophy winner, and were supposed that much better than everyone else in college football. Florida gets in over Michigan (as they should have since they won their conference that always ranks as the toughest conference in football AND has a title game which the Big 10 didn't have back then) and people immediately predict an OSU blowout. Then what happened? Oh right, Florida absolutely dominated Ohio State 41-14. Troy Smith, the Heisman winner, had 35 yards while the offense IN TOTAL had less than 100.
Then there was 2008. You had a really good Florida team, certainly seemed better than the 2006 edition, but on the other side was Oklahoma. This was a team that in the regular season broke the points scoring record (no Oregon hasn't topped it since) with over 700 points scored. Heck, the scored 60 points in 5 straight games in the Big 12! Nobody could possibly stop this offense led by, you guessed it, a Heisman trophy winner by the name of Sam Bradford. Florida was picked to lose by over 2 touchdown............but they didn't. The offense that had a streak of scoring over 60 points in games was held to just 14 points and Florida won the game by 10. Again, it's not coincidence that these things are happening.
The point is that the SEC's talent level has simply been higher. Every year a team outside the conference gets hyped up, be it an Oklahoma or an Oregon in 2010 or what have you, but every year that team runs into the SEC and loses. On top of that, these offenses that put up ridiculous numbers simply can't duplicate that success against SEC defenses.
However, I actually am looking forward to Notre Dame this year. See, ND's offense is pretty bad but they win with defense. That's very much like an SEC team but ND's schedule is terrible. They'll beat SC and be in the title game and unless Bama does something stupid, they'll be there too. It won't be a case of shutting down an elite offense (like Bama or likely ND would have done to Oregon), but a defensive battle. I still think Bama takes it though as I'm taking Nick Saban with time to prep in a big game over Brian Kelly any day.
It's good though because had the title game been KState and Oregon, what does that prove? The SEC has been the champs for years now. Since this is a wrestling forum, I'll compare this to wrestling. That game would have been like Luger vs. Windham. If you aren't beating the reigning champs that nobody has toppled in the big game, what does your victory really mean? Thus, if ND can do the unthinkable and beat Alabama, they'll have beaten the SEC and truly earned a National title. At least then it'll mean something.
Well, relatively speaking. I still contend that college football should ban Notre Dame from postseason football until it joins a conference.
Yes, for everyone trying to say "overrated" or downplaying the SEC teams, keep in mind they are on top of the world. They have won the last SIX BCS titles. It's not a fluke when they've done it that long.
Also, we've heard it before. As a Florida fan, I can tell you that the Gators were heavily picked against in both 06 and 08. In 2006, Ohio State was undefeated, had the Heisman trophy winner, and were supposed that much better than everyone else in college football. Florida gets in over Michigan (as they should have since they won their conference that always ranks as the toughest conference in football AND has a title game which the Big 10 didn't have back then) and people immediately predict an OSU blowout. Then what happened? Oh right, Florida absolutely dominated Ohio State 41-14. Troy Smith, the Heisman winner, had 35 yards while the offense IN TOTAL had less than 100.
Then there was 2008. You had a really good Florida team, certainly seemed better than the 2006 edition, but on the other side was Oklahoma. This was a team that in the regular season broke the points scoring record (no Oregon hasn't topped it since) with over 700 points scored. Heck, the scored 60 points in 5 straight games in the Big 12! Nobody could possibly stop this offense led by, you guessed it, a Heisman trophy winner by the name of Sam Bradford. Florida was picked to lose by over 2 touchdown............but they didn't. The offense that had a streak of scoring over 60 points in games was held to just 14 points and Florida won the game by 10. Again, it's not coincidence that these things are happening.
The point is that the SEC's talent level has simply been higher. Every year a team outside the conference gets hyped up, be it an Oklahoma or an Oregon in 2010 or what have you, but every year that team runs into the SEC and loses. On top of that, these offenses that put up ridiculous numbers simply can't duplicate that success against SEC defenses.
However, I actually am looking forward to Notre Dame this year. See, ND's offense is pretty bad but they win with defense. That's very much like an SEC team but ND's schedule is terrible. They'll beat SC and be in the title game and unless Bama does something stupid, they'll be there too. It won't be a case of shutting down an elite offense (like Bama or likely ND would have done to Oregon), but a defensive battle. I still think Bama takes it though as I'm taking Nick Saban with time to prep in a big game over Brian Kelly any day.
It's good though because had the title game been KState and Oregon, what does that prove? The SEC has been the champs for years now. Since this is a wrestling forum, I'll compare this to wrestling. That game would have been like Luger vs. Windham. If you aren't beating the reigning champs that nobody has toppled in the big game, what does your victory really mean? Thus, if ND can do the unthinkable and beat Alabama, they'll have beaten the SEC and truly earned a National title. At least then it'll mean something.
Well, relatively speaking. I still contend that college football should ban Notre Dame from postseason football until it joins a conference.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Do you really want to have this discussion with me or Sly? I'm a SEC alumni and even I know that the SEC is overrated especially this year. Alabama is good but everybody else is average. Florida and Notre Dame are basically the same team, LSU struggles half the time, and South Carolina and Georgia play down to their competition. Hell, I'll go as far as to say that Texas A&M is the second best team in that conference. I still believe to this day that Alabama got into the title game last year mainly because of how high the fraudulent Razorbacks were ranked.
Lowdown
Ooh baby I like it roooaaaaw!
Notre Dame seems to be on lock for the title game provided that they bet USC. Now I like both USC and UCLA, and the Bruins came out ready to play and actually earn their spot in the PAC 12 championship game. I gotta say I did enjoy Oregon losing, and the north division is still up in the air. Either way, UCLA will be the underdog regardless of who gets the spot between Stanford and Oregon. I think they could possibly slow either team down, and we might see a preview of the PAC 12 championship next week with UCLA facing Stanford. As for USC, I hope they can find themselves and be prepared for the Irish. Their season has been a huge dissappointment, so they need to win this rivalry game at the very least to finish with a huge win. Will it happen? Don't rightly know. But it would be nice to play spoiler.
You mean if ND loses to USC, right? If ND beats USC, then ND is in the national title game.
Well, sure it is. Of those six championships, only twice did the SEC team win it with an undefeated record. Last year, Alabama literally got a REMATCH with LSU, despite having already lost to them. Every BCS title game is played in a warm weather location, how come these SEC teams never have to play in a cold weather climate?
There's a lot of benefits the SEC has received en route to those 6 titles.
And yet, when Alabama doesn't even PLAY in their conference title game, they get in ahead of Oklahoma State. And I don't believe the SEC wasn't considered the toughest conference at the time, considering Ohio State and Michigan had just been #1 and #2, and Wisconsin also in the top ten.
This is the ridiculousness that I'm talking about. There is basically ZERO difference between Michigan of 06 and Alabama of 11, and yet the SEC received the preferential treatment both times. And you're telling me that's not a fluke?
I bet Florida sure did enjoy the home field advantage in the national title game. Florida takes a bus to Miami, Oklahoma has to fly halfway across the country.
Not a fluke, right?
And that they've received every benefit possible. Don't forget that. They have 1 loss teams get in ahead of undefeated teams, they have home field advantages, they get Alabama in when Michigan didn't...hell, it was even neatly arranged for the SEC to be guaranteed a national title last year. And now, with Alabama's oh-so-grueling schedule of W. Kentucky, Florida Atlantic, West Carolina, and a whole bunch of pedestrian SEC opponents, it looks like Alabama will get to play for the title again.
It's a joke.
I'm sure that month and a half layoff has nothing to do with execution in the game.
Actually, this is untrue. People don't realize it, but Notre Dame's offense has actually improved tremendously since the beginning of the year. Notre Dame is not the same offense they were the first couple of games.
Best defense in the country.
Uhh, what?
Notre Dame's schedule has been ranked in the Top 10 in difficulty since the beginning of the year. How is that a terrible schedule? Notre Dame's schedule is EASILY more difficult than any team from the SEC this year. And Notre Dame doesn't play FCS teams, like SEC teams do two or three times a year.
I know it's never wise to bet on Mark Richt, but I wouldn't be surprised if Georgia takes Alabama down.
Yeah, but you're an SEC homer. Take it from me, a completely neutral fan on this, that Notre Dame's coach is better.
Why is that? Doesn't the fact they have played 5 ranked teams, including Stanford and Oklahoma, show how difficult their schedule is?
Stormtrooper
Championship Contender
They won 5 in a row. There was no National Championship Game last year. There was only a Conference Championship Game.
And talk to me when the SEC doesn't schedule 6 FCS teams in one fucking week. That alone should make them ineligible for postseason play. It's fucking embarrassing, almost as bad as 3 coaches voting Alabama or Georgia ahead of Notre Dame.
Notre Dames schedule is as tough as the SEC schedules. If not tougher. The SEC schedules look tough because the fucking polls suck the fucking cocks of the SEC. Stanford is better then every SEC team aside form MAYBE Alabama.
It's not at all unthinkable. Until Notre Dame loses, how can you say they can't win? Hell, they have a better defense, and Everett Golson could very easily beat Bama just like Johnny Fucking Football did.
That's laughable and completely without merit.
If you're going to say that, then the BCS should ban every team that schedules an FCS team.
ÐаÑбоÑа
doesn't know REAL wrestling...
The administration and structuring of college football sounds like the biggest clusterfuck.
Hopefully with the playoff having an emphasis on SOS there comes more games like those. Although for many *cough SEC* they'll stick to their OOC rivalry games as the only ones.
Frankly, I'd take a 9 game conference season all around, but most schools won't do that due to the imbalance of home/road games.
Frankly, I'd take a 9 game conference season all around, but most schools won't do that due to the imbalance of home/road games.
I'd rather see 6 game conference season (assuming the so-called super conference format eventually forms), with 4 out of conference. Then a conference championship, leading to a playoff.
Really? You'd rather see Indiana, Purdue and Iowa instead of Notre Dame?
ND's been a fixture on the schedule, so that's not a great comparison.
But there is about 6-7 Big Ten teams I would like to face more than OOC teams (UM, OSU, NW, NU, PSU, UW, Iowa when they aren't garbage) and if you want to face those teams you'll see Indiana or Purdue once in a while. So to get the tradeoff, sure, I'd rather see IU/Purdue/bad Iowa if that means I can see 5 or 6 of the combination above.
But there is about 6-7 Big Ten teams I would like to face more than OOC teams (UM, OSU, NW, NU, PSU, UW, Iowa when they aren't garbage) and if you want to face those teams you'll see Indiana or Purdue once in a while. So to get the tradeoff, sure, I'd rather see IU/Purdue/bad Iowa if that means I can see 5 or 6 of the combination above.
Lowdown
Ooh baby I like it roooaaaaw!
Waiting on the ND/USC game. I'll check out some of the Stanford/UCLA game beforehand, but I still don't know who the Bruins got a better shot against in the title game. But I think USC might pull out the win tonight, especially considering there isn't anything to lose for them.
