NCAA Football LD 2012-2013 Season

[Megatron]

And I'd say you're smoking something if you think giving up 51 points is a sign of a good team. Win or lose, you don't give up 51 points.

Sly covered the defense having short rest all the time so I won't bother, but I could easily argue a good team doesn't get taken into 3 OT at home against a shitty Big East team in Pitt that lost to Youngstown State. We could play this all day.

ND has had a MUCH tougher schedule then Oregon thusfar. Arkansas State, Fresno State, Tennessee Tech, #22 Arizona, Washington St, #23 Washington, Arizona St, Colorado, #17 USC. 3 ranked opponents (22, 23, 17). And Tennessee Tech is a 3-7 FCS team. How can you even count that as a non-exhibition game is beyond me.

Notre Dame has played Navy, Purdue, #10 Michigan St, #18 Michigan, Miami, #17 Stanford, BYU, #8 Oklahoma, Pittsburgh, BC. 4 ranked opponents (2 in the top 10).

ND's schedule is tougher, but many of those teams aren't worth their salt. Purdue/Navy/MSU/Miami/BYU/Pitt/BC are all mid level Pac-12 teams at best. UM is slightly above average but are in a downed Big 10. Stanford and OU are solid wins, though. Oregon has some clear cupcakes (Arkansas St/Fresno St/Wazzu/Colorado/Cal) but Oregon still has some pretty strong wins against USC, Washington, and Arizona. Not as good as ND, but it hasn't been 10 cupcakes in a row. And as you stated in the next paragraph, assuming both go undefeated, Oregon's schedule will match up very fairly with NDs since they'd potentially add a ranked Stanford, Oregon State, and USC or UCLA (compared to ND just putting on USC once).

Oh, and Oregons QB just got hurt. Hopefully it isn't serious. But if it is, that's a massive blow, and going undefeated seems even less likely.

Don't worry, his 27-34 for 377 statline looked pretty good.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Yes, but that's misleading. When you score as fast and as often as Oregon does, you give your opponents plenty of opportunities to score. Additionally, when you score so fast, your defense doesn't have as much time to rest and then they are tired on the next drive.

Oregon's time of possession is one of the lowest in the country.
I've seen Oregon played 3 or 4 times this year. They are not overrated. They are probably the fastest offense in college football. The speed they have at their skill positions is just incredible.

So what you're saying is that because the offense is too good, it doesn't allow the defense to play at a high level?

People write off defenses playing shitty when the offense can't keep the ball, then they make excuses for the defense when the offense scores too fast. Screw that. When you're on the field, you should be playing your best. If you're not, then your team has a flaw and it needs to be fixed.

Sly covered the defense having short rest all the time so I won't bother, but I could easily argue a good team doesn't get taken into 3 OT at home against a shitty Big East team in Pitt that lost to Youngstown State. We could play this all day.

Teams have bad games. That happens. Bama just had one. Oregon will have one. The difference is Notre Dame doesn't play sub .500 FCS teams. They play Division I FBS teams, not FCS teams.

ND's schedule is tougher, but many of those teams aren't worth their salt. Purdue/Navy/MSU/Miami/BYU/Pitt/BC are all mid level Pac-12 teams at best. UM is slightly above average but are in a downed Big 10. Stanford and OU are solid wins, though. Oregon has some clear cupcakes (Arkansas St/Fresno St/Wazzu/Colorado/Cal) but Oregon still has some pretty strong wins against USC, Washington, and Arizona. Not as good as ND, but it hasn't been 10 cupcakes in a row. And as you stated in the next paragraph, assuming both go undefeated, Oregon's schedule will match up very fairly with NDs since they'd potentially add a ranked Stanford, Oregon State, and USC or UCLA (compared to ND just putting on USC once).

Of course the biggest thing here is we are assuming that Oregon can go on and win 3 games in a row against ranked opponents (#14 Stanford, #11 Oregon State, and either #19 USC or #18 UCLA). I honestly don't think that will happen.



Of course, this would all be pointless if the fucking BCS went to the 4 team playoff now. Oregon vs. Notre Dame would be an awesome game. Explosive Oregon offense vs. Dominant Notre Dame Defense. Shitty ass Oregon Defense vs. Average Notre Dame Offense.

 

[Megatron]

Teams have bad games. That happens. Bama just had one. Oregon will have one. The difference is Notre Dame doesn't play sub .500 FCS teams. They play Division I FBS teams, not FCS teams.

One FCS game is about the norm for most teams now. While it's taking away potential great matchups, let's not go and give ND gold medals for having the ACC heavyweights Boston College and Wake Forest and Big East heavyweight Pitt and Big 10 heavyweights Purdue and MSU on their schedule.

Of course, this would all be pointless if the fucking BCS went to the 4 team playoff now. Oregon vs. Notre Dame would be an awesome game. Explosive Oregon offense vs. Dominant Notre Dame Defense. Shitty ass Oregon Defense vs. Average Notre Dame Offense.

I like how you say Oregon's defense is shitty when it's in the top 25% in scoring defenses (at #30) and are 47th in Total yardage. On the other hand, ND's offense is quite the juggarnaut with their 79th ranked scoring offense and 60th in total yardage.

 

[klunderbunker]

Yes, but that's misleading. When you score as fast and as often as Oregon does, you give your opponents plenty of opportunities to score. Additionally, when you score so fast, your defense doesn't have as much time to rest and then they are tired on the next drive.

This basically got the Cowboys three Super Bowls in the 90s.

 

[Slyfox696]

I got Manziel third in the Heisman race after his performance against Alabama. I would have him first if LSU hadn't shut him down in the second half and if Texas A&M would have won because they would be going to the SEC title game. I have been real impressed with Texas A&M in the SEC. They've had the lead in their two losses or else they would be undefeated. Hopefully, Missouri will be much improved next year.

It'll depend if quarterback James Franklin gets any better. He's shown VERY little improvement from last year to this year.

So what you're saying is that because the offense is too good, it doesn't allow the defense to play at a high level?

No, I'm saying that when your defense goes onto the field tired, it affects their play. I'm also saying when you get 14 possessions a game, you're more likely to score.

Weary defense having to play far more possessions than a normal team...more points are going to be scored. It's just that simple.

Teams have bad games. That happens. Bama just had one. Oregon will have one. The difference is Notre Dame doesn't play sub .500 FCS teams. They play Division I FBS teams, not FCS teams.

So it's okay for Notre Dame to have a bad game against Pitt, but not okay for Oregon's defense to have a bad day against an offense loaded with 4 and 5 star players?

As arguably the biggest Fighting Irish fan here, you've even left me scratching my head a bit on that logic.

 

[Lowdown]

So Sly, with Alabama apparently out of the title picture, at least for now, who you think will play for the national championship? Oregon looks strong but as an L.A. guy I'm hoping USC or UCLA can maybe slow them down. Wishful thinking I know, especially considering how the Bruins let WA State comeback last night.

 

[Slyfox696]

So Sly, with Alabama apparently out of the title picture, at least for now, who you think will play for the national championship? Oregon looks strong but as an L.A. guy I'm hoping USC or UCLA can maybe slow them down. Wishful thinking I know, especially considering how the Bruins let WA State comeback last night.

Oregon already beat USC. I wouldn't be surprised for USC to defeat Notre Dame, so I'll bet on Oregon vs. Kansas State. Both teams still have a tough game on their schedule, but I think they'll both win. Even if Notre Dame does beat USC, I think it'll be Oregon and K-State, assuming all three remain undefeated.

 

[Lowdown]

Oregon already beat USC. I wouldn't be surprised for USC to defeat Notre Dame, so I'll bet on Oregon vs. Kansas State. Both teams still have a tough game on their schedule, but I think they'll both win. Even if Notre Dame does beat USC, I think it'll be Oregon and K-State, assuming all three remain undefeated.

I was thinking if one of the two faces Oregon in the PAC-12 championship game. I think either USC could avenge that loss, or UCLA could actually earn the spot as the south champs and face Oregon in a rematch of last year's championship.

 

[jmt225]

Let's go Stanford!!!

 

[Slyfox696]

Let's go Stanford!!!

Or Baylor.

 

[jmt225]

Ugh... I didn't agree with that call there. You can't play the field position game against Oregon, you have to go right at them as they come at you.

 

[jmt225]

Stanford playing really well. Hopefully they can keep this up.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Let's go Stanford!!!

Or Baylor.

Part of me wants one of them to lose so that Notre Dame plays one of them and the SEC gets to go fuck it's overrated self. The rest of me wants both of them to lose so that Notre Dame can fuck up the SEC.

Stanford playing really well. Hopefully they can keep this up.

There's a reason Stanford is ranked. People act like Oregon has some cupcake schedule the rest of the way and that's simply not true. Stanford is a hell of a football team. So is UCLA (who they could meet in the conference championship game).

Meanwhile, fucking Alabama just played FBS powerhouse Western Carolina. Not North Carolina. Not South Carolina. Not even East Carolina (who is at least remotely credible), but WEST Carolina.

 

[Slyfox696]

Baylor is running away from K-State. I'm not celebrating yet, because USC will be a tough game. But I like where we sit.

Meanwhile, fucking Alabama just played FBS powerhouse Western Carolina. Not North Carolina. Not South Carolina. Not even East Carolina (who is at least remotely credible), but WEST Carolina.

It was a tough day for the SEC. Florida played Jacksonville State from the Ohio Valley Conference (FCS). South Carolina played Wofford from the Southern Conference (another FCS). Georgia played Georgia South, also from the Southern Conference. Auburn played Alabama A&M from the SWAC. Texas A&M played Sam Houston State from the Southland conference. Kentucky played Samford from the Southern conference.

All those sportswriters are correct. SEC teams just play a brutal schedule.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Even Brent Musberger called them out on it saying that the SEC needs to schedule a 9th conference game which I agree with.

 

[Slyfox696]

It was a tough day for the SEC. Florida played Jacksonville State from the Ohio Valley Conference (FCS). South Carolina played Wofford from the Southern Conference (another FCS). Georgia played Georgia South, also from the Southern Conference. Auburn played Alabama A&M from the SWAC. Texas A&M played Sam Houston State from the Southland conference. Kentucky played Samford from the Southern conference.

All those sportswriters are correct. SEC teams just play a brutal schedule.

Just to recap, of the 14 teams in the SEC, HALF of them played FCS teams.

 

[Slyfox696]

WOW! What a terrible Pass Interference call against Stanford.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Hell of a play by the Stanford receiver to get that TD, but it shouldn't have been overturned.

 

[Stormtrooper]

DOWN GOES K-STATE!!!!!!!!!!!

OREGON MISSES THE KICK!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Slyfox696]

NOTRE DAME IS #1 IN THE COUNTRY!

 

[Stormtrooper]

NUMBER.

FUCKING.

1

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

Oregon is still in the title picture even though they lost.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Notre Dame needed both those losses. I would all but guarantee the BCS would figure out how to put the SEC Champ in the game over an undefeated Notre Dame.

Shame to hear that Matt Barkley is hurt too. as much as it helps Notre Dame, it's sad to see a guy like him possibly end his collegiate career injured.

 

[jmt225]

Awesome, awesome day in college football.

I cannot wait for Notre Dame vs. USC next week. I don't want the Irish to just beat them, I want them to smash those fuckers and send a message to the rest of the nation that they're truly the #1 team in college football.

 

[Slyfox696]

Oregon is still in the title picture even though they lost.

Not with the SEC bias in college football.