Morrson's new finisher?

[showstoppaa]

Last night on Raw John Morrison beat Tyson Kidd with a new move, A flip bottom. (Paul Burchill's C4) I know a lot of people don't like Starship Pain, Myself included, and it was hard to take any wins seriously with a move that was so often botched. I'm not saying 'Wow, Morrison got a new move, He'll be WWE champ soon', but I think having a new more credible finisher can make him into a more credible superstar. Look at The Miz, as his gimmick changed he switched from the Reality Check to the SCF, and look at him now.

So, what I'm asking is:

Do you think the move change will be permanent?

Do you prefer it to Starship Pain?

Does this show that better things are coming for JoMo?

 

[Ferbian]

It's hardly a new finisher. He has used the move before. I would say that it's more of a signature move.

Besides, I guess it fits him. At least this one he performs consistently. Starship Pain has him hitting it awkwardly a lot of times. The move is most likely just gonna be a rare occasionally change. Much like Kofi Kingstons S.O.S (I think it's called S.O.S?, that flippy thing he pinned Drew with twice).

Also, I don't believe it's a sign for better things to come. A new finisher is hardly ever a sign of new things to come. John has been on a roll as of late (Yes I hate it too) and he seems to be getting pushed. No need to give him a new finisher to accompany that.

 

[The Brain]

I really don't like that move. I'm all about suspending disbelief in order for a match to make sense, but this move is too much. This move is just not possible. How is someone supposed to backflip and take a full grown athlete with him from a Rock Bottom position. It's just not logical. When I was a kid I would do all kinds of crazy moves with my action figures despite them not being possible. This move reminds me of one of those. I'm just not buying it.

 

[Ace333]

It's not a finisher. The first time he used it was on Zack Ryder and he didn't even get the pin. It's just a new move he can do but probably won't be a finisher since this move can mostly only be done on guys with some agility.

 

[cbhitman1]

I'm a big fan of this push for Morrison....dude is head and shoulders above the rest of the roster in terms of athletic ability and might be even better than my ol favorite Rob Van Dam. Give him a few more traditional wrestling moves such as this variation of a suplex and it goes a long way in to winning more fans and moving him up the ladder.

 

[enterkey]

As Ferbs said he has been using it for some time but mainly used it as a signature move/set up for the horrible Starship Pain before last night. Similar to the others I too can't stand that they have been giving Morrison this push that he really doesn't deserve as aside from being thrown into feuds as a spot filler, Summerslam, HIAC, Bragging Rights, he has done next to nothing on Raw. Hopefully he consistently uses this as a finisher so that we are never forced to see the inconsistent mediocrity of the starship pain. It may seem a little impossible and fairly far fetched but to me it is infinitely more believable than a flippy spin move in the air that consistently turns into just an elbow drop/worm chop that would not win a cruiserweight match for the most talented of cruiserweights.

 

[ECWnumbawan]

As stated before, its not an entirely new move hes used it against Zack Ryder before. I think itl be a rare occasion to see this move as it appears as it can only be done on smaller guys; Tyson Kidd etc.

As for the move itself i do prefer it to starship pain as i can never take the move seriously as a finisher, but i really prefered when he used the Nitro kick (super kick) as it fitted him far more.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

I don't think he'll change from starship pain no matter how much people bitching about how it doesn't look like it hurts. I challenge that any way because his body, legs particularly, swing round 180 degrees from the buckle to the opponent kindof like a hammer when you smash something, except morrison weighs more than a hammer. Should ask wrestlers if it hurts when he does it on them and I bet you'll get a resounding yes. Anyway it's a bit of a draw in itself seen as I'm not sure anybody has kicked out of starship pain ever and its been his finisher for over a year now. It peobably has a better statistical rating for wins than the rko and look how that is billed

Besides it looks cool and I like it.

 

[The Shockmaster]

Being that Morrison has consistently hit the Starship Pain for about a month now on Raw I think he has figured out that his opponent has to be a couple feet away from the turnbuckle as opposed to right up against it. Still not the most believable finisher for the 3 count if he continues to hit it a don't really have a problem with it.

I am a big supporter of Morrison adopting the Super kick or Sweet Chin Music. When he used the Nitro Blast during his Johnny Nitro Stint i very much enjoyed it.

The C4 is pretty cool but i never expect him to hit it on Sheamus or Cena anytime soon. It takes extreme athletic ability from both wrestlers to be pulled off successfully. If he does however it would truly be a WTF! moment. For now I think its best if this is a once and a while type finisher...adds more shock value to the match ending.

P.S.- Morrsion, have you forgotten about the moonlight drive. Atleast use it as a signature or something leading to Starship Pain

 

[Dzone]

I don't mind Starship Pain and this new "finisher" *hope they give it a good name if it is a second finisher... lol*, I suppose if people argue about Starship Pain and how it looks like it don't hurt this is probably worse.... ¬.¬.

Also agree with the guy who said he prefered the "nitro kick" it was a much better suited finisher to Morrison and he did it quite well so why not I ask. I do believe if they make him a heel then he'll go to the Super kick again and use Starship Pain very rarely but as for right now mix it up and do all 3! (if you count the other move as a finisher which I don't... it's basically for flashy purposes ;P)

 

[Calderownz]

It's just a signature move. It's not really possible as a finisher due to the fact that a bigger man couldn't do the move with him. He'd have to use Starship Pain on a guy like The Big Show. As that move would not come close to working.

Nonetheless, the move looks good but isn't the most realistic. Then again, neither is the Canadian Destroyer and I enjoy the look of both moves.

 

[enterkey]

I don't think he'll change from starship pain no matter how much people bitching about how it doesn't look like it hurts. I challenge that any way because his body, legs particularly, swing round 180 degrees from the buckle to the opponent kindof like a hammer when you smash something, except morrison weighs more than a hammer. Should ask wrestlers if it hurts when he does it on them and I bet you'll get a resounding yes. Anyway it's a bit of a draw in itself seen as I'm not sure anybody has kicked out of starship pain ever and its been his finisher for over a year now. It peobably has a better statistical rating for wins than the rko and look how that is billed

Besides it looks cool and I like it.

Most of my problems with the move is in that Morrison botches it so much that he mainly just gets his shoulder across instead of his entire upper body which probably would be effective. Sure if you think about it as the 180 degree spin in the hammer metaphor that you used it would probably hurt in real life were someone to do that to you but compare it to all of the flippy turnbuckle moves that the average cruiserweight does that simply don't end matches. The move itself is a glorified filler move that gives no buildup and leaves people scratching their heads wondering "how the fuck did that end the match?" as that was my reaction when I first witnessed Morrison do his failed attempt at a finisher. The Starship pain neither gets the hangtime nor build that great moves like the frogsplash, 450 splash, shooting star press have gotten and since its over before you know it its hard to really get behind the move which, in the case of high flying moves, just leaves me feeling cheated. Now your logic on it being a draw is a bit flawed, just because it hasn't been kicked out of yet doesn't mean that people enjoy to see it or that it is a "powerful" finisher in kayfabe. A powerful finisher is made powerful by looking at the quality of the people that have been cleanly put away by it and the only noteworthy person that I've ever seen to have been beaten by it was Chris Jericho. In the main event they kick out more due to adding suspense to the match and show that both competitors are trying harder than ever to beat each other, not that the move itself is weak.

 

[TxKxAx]

After going over the posts here are my thoughts

Do you think the move change will be permanent?
Absolutely not, this is a move that requires both men have very good athletic ability and agility. Burchill pulled this off against Regal and I don't remember it looking to great. The C-4 looks like it has less impact then a back drop.

Do you prefer it to Starship Pain?
No. While Starship Pain is an exciting move to watch, I agree he should go back to using the superkick, it would be perfect. He should maybe throw in a Moonlight Drive every now and then as a signature or regular move.

Does this show that better things are coming for JoMo?
The finisher not so much, but the impressive showings he has had as of late are a sign that the WWE is preparing him for something.

 

[The Big Cheese]

I don't think that the c-4 will be his new finisher just one more move added to his inventory. I would much rather see the starship pain anyway it looks like a much more devastating move. Its done so quick I don't see anyone else doing all the flips and turns he does all in one move as fast as he does.

 

[billm75]

I agree he has had issues with landing the Starship Pain properly, but it sells and still gets a pretty good pop from the crowd, That C-4 will likely remain a special occasions move when he's got an agile opponent, but it's good enough for a finisher if used sparingly.

Seems the guy can't catch a break with the critics about his finishers or spot moves though. Give him a break. He's fast, strong and mostly believable in the ring with his matches. He gives a great show almost every time he's out there.

I don't hear much from people about other unimpressive finishers. The STF that Cena uses for example. I still don't see how that could hurt much. The knockout punch from the Big Show....you've seen it. The GTS from CM Punk, he botches that nearly as much as he hits it right, especially on larger opponents. There's more, but I'll stop there.

I enjoy the acrobatics of it more than anything I guess. I give the man alot of credit and still think he's going to be a main event mainstay one day.

 

[javan723]

It looks great, Tyson sold it good. Morrison needs more of those kind moves and yes Kazarian(or what ever his name is) uses it, Paul too but wrestlers always ask other wrestlers for moves. Don't really care if someone has had it before. Plenty of finishers are rip-offs of other peoples. I think it suits him really well and looks pretty good. Hopefully this is a sign that they're investing more in Morrison. Morrison's match last night was one of my favorites from this week's Raw.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

This move is stupid. It's unrealistic, an easy botch, and requires the person being put in the move to be equally as athletic as he is, which is few and far between. There are so many other moves that could be used instead of this acrobatic act of a move.

I'm Old School. I'll be the first to admit that, but I don't see how anyone would think that move could be pulled off without the other person helping. It's silly, and Morrison should ditch it.

 

[Edge Head 85]

I'm definitely in favour of Morrison continueing to use this new move. Granted he won't be able to hit it on many of the bigger stars, but he still has Starship Pain at his disposal, I just wish he'd make contact with his legs (like he did in one of his recent matches with Jericho) instead of making contact with his upper body. It has more impact and just looks better in general.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Do you think the move change will be permanent?

No

Do you prefer it to Starship Pain?
Eh, sorta. Starship Pain would be better if it was just a corckscrew moonsault, the only reason he fucks it up so often is because of the split-legged aspect. It gives him like 4 inches to turn his entire body.

Does this show that better things are coming for JoMo?
No, partaking in a serial storyline is the only thing that could mean that, this is just a move.

 

[eljay7i]

I think his new finisher will be permanent to compliment the SSP, cause lots wrestlers have 2 finishers. I personally prefer the SSP cause it's unique and innovative, and yea I see bigger and betterthings instore for JMo after that amazing bout he had with Sheamus recently..

 

[cubuff37]

The C4 is 100% possible, because I've done it in one of my fights in MMA. You have to be extremely strong and agile. But it is possible to execute it when your opponent isn't scripting with you.

On the other hand... Morrison should use this only occasionally, because it's a very quick, and devastating maneuver. He should only use it in big matches, and in moments that would leave the crowd speechless. Did you hear how crazy the crowd, Michael Cole and Lawler went when it was executed? That shouldn't be a weekly thing, it should only come every once in a while.

I am one of the biggest Morrison fans around, and yet I still just don't like the idea of Starship Pain. It is used waaaaay too much. It was cool to watch when he first used it on CM Punk, and a couple times after that. But now, it is way too predictable, you can see it coming from about 8 seconds away from the execution, and you know that the end of the match is coming. Finishers should be unpredictable, and quick. But should still be reversable. This C4 would be perfect. And Morrison, bring back the Moonlight Drive, that was always a quick, devastating, unpredictable, and yet still fun to watch finisher.

 

[radec]

Do you think the move change will be permanent? SHould be he needs 2 finisher becuase the starship pain takes alot to do and he misses it alot

Do you prefer it to Starship Pain? No the C4 is alot better than a spinning mess to give a splash dive at the end

Does this show that better things are coming for JoMo? I do. he should turn heel and fued with DB is possible.

 

[Sora/roxas]

I feel its a good move for him but he needs to keep Starship Pain cuz he wont be able to hit the c4 on someone like sheamus. I think this move will lead to a push sort of like the shooting star press for bourne did a little. The only difference is Morrison wont need Cena to get a push. Also i think JOMO can become a jeff hardy in a way. Complete and total daredevil. Jumping off the titantron the only difference is JOMO has good matt work too.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I like it better as more of a signature move than a finisher, it's just not a believable move and to see it at the end of every winning match he's in will water it down so much. People will get over it faster than Starship Pain.

Starship Pain is much better, yeah he sometimes lands awkwardly but at least it still looks like a legitimate move that could hurt. I dunno, I like the move but not as a finisher is all.

 

[co_co_coady]

The C4 is 100% possible, because I've done it in one of my fights in MMA. You have to be extremely strong and agile. But it is possible to execute it when your opponent isn't scripting with you.

Nope. Sorry man but that move would be impossible to do in MMA. It's just not possible man, the opponent would have to be knocked out.. and when do you see guys being thrown around still KO'd. Good refs stop the fight before that happens.. Soo no arm triangle backflips in MMA.

On another note I also agree he should use it only for big PPV matches and what not.. and he should also go back to the Moonlight Drive as his finisher with the StarShipPain as a once in awhile move.. the Less he does it the better it'll look because we won't have to watch him botch it as much.

And just while we're talking about JoMo, they should have him and R-Truth (Mor-Truth) win the tag gold and hold it for awhile.. Great Athletes, great mic skills.. great looks.. it just works for me.