Morrison or Ziggler?

dude, The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh, did you actually say that Morrison is like Shelton?
you really must not watch smackdown man. Morrison is one of the best on the mic right now. did you ever watch him and the miz on the dirt sheet when they had it on ECW in front of the crowd? they were funny as hell. he's amazingly great in every way. he's ripped as hell, can do just about anything in the ring, talk on the mic, cut a promo, and he really deserves this push. as for ziggy, he's ok at best. he and zack Ryder seem like two new guys who could create a good tag team. he's just not anywhere near Morrison. and you talking about JoMo not talking in the ring(which is bull), look as ziggy..whens the last time he was in the ring in someones face talking smack? (if it was this past week, sorry my satellite is out) but seriously Morrison can talk with the best

Morrison >>>>>>ziggy
 
dude, The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh, did you actually say that Morrison is like Shelton?

Actually, i said he suffered the same problem as Shelton.

you really must not watch smackdown man.

you really must not read things through thoroughly. I already said i don't watch WWE television, only the PPVS. I actually DO things on a Friday night.

Morrison is one of the best on the mic right now.

I seriously doubt that. When someone with credibility says that....... i still won't believe it.

did you ever watch him and the miz on the dirt sheet when they had it on ECW in front of the crowd?

I've never sat through an episode of ECW. Youtube is there for all the bits worthy of attention..... ya know, like THE MATCHES.

they were funny as hell.

I'll take your word on that. Actually, fuck it, no i won't.

he's amazingly great in every way.

Really? To know that you must have spent quite a lot of 'alone time' with him. Was he as amazingly great at receiving as you?

he's ripped as hell,

So was Lashley, didn't make him the next Hogan or Austin though did it?

can do just about anything in the ring

except maintain people's interest consistently

talk on the mic, cut a promo,

Aren't they the same thing?

and he really deserves this push.

Please define exactly HOW he deserves a push. What has he done to make Vince McMahon care? Because THAT's how you earn a push. Are you saying this because JR thinks he's good or because nearly everyone else in this forum thinks so too?

he and zack Ryder seem like two new guys who could create a good tag team.

Both those guys only recently got out of separate do nothing tag teams and you want to shove them together to make another one already? While we're at it, why don't they join the Goldust/Hornswoggle skits?

and you talking about JoMo not talking in the ring(which is bull), look as ziggy..whens the last time he was in the ring in someones face talking smack?

about 3 weeks ago when i saw the video package where he talked smack to Khali repeatedly. He's also likely to have an IC title match in 2 weeks time. What's Morrison likely to be doing?

Morrison >>>>>>ziggy

I never said that Morrison wasn't better, i simply said that he's doing NOTHING right about now, whereas Ziggler is. Ziggler is catching up to Morrison's status. Morrison seems to be in mid-card limbo at the moment, which is where Shelton has been for the last 2 1/2 years. Hence the comparison.

like i said, i've given up watchin WWE TV, and never watched ECW anyway. last time i watched SD, Morrison beat Punk and did nothing to get the crowd behind him. I've yet to hear him talk on SD. Give me an example of a decent promo that doesn't involve the Miz, and maybe i'll change my mind.
 
Give me an example of a decent promo that doesn't involve the Miz, and maybe i'll change my mind.


ok, when he defeated punk, that was the best match i can recall of all this year. and a promo isn't the same thing as talking in the ring. a promo is usually backstage. as for your example, how about before he was going to fight edge?

as for credibility, i could care less if you beleive me. your jokes were as stale as your dolph ziggler's moves. the dude doesn't have any holy sh** moments. morrison can't get a reaction? thats bullsh**. he's probably the only wrestler that you can't guess every damn move.

and the IC title? LMFAO are you serious? JoMo is likely to have a motha fu**in WHC match soon. morrison won that stale belt years ago. so how about make a good argument next time? the only think he's catching is the santino marella disease..IC title, Maria, beat "monsters" soon after debuting on shows. to bad he doesn't have the mic skills like santino. ziggy couldn't beat a wall if he tried beating it with words. he only says hey i'm dolph ziggler then has to use weapons. atleast morrison can talk the talk and back it.

did i ever say morrison was like hogan or austin? no, i said he's ripped. he has the look to him, thats all i was sayin

Was he as amazingly great at receiving as you?
naw, i think you were better at receiving

one last thing. you asked why he deserves a push. why not?
he's been tag champ, IC champ, ECW champ, so why not test him in the main event? evidently vince thinks he's got talent putting him in matches with jericho, edge, and CM punk within a month. who'd dolph fight? nobody gives a shit. vince knows where talent is and he knows morrison could outperform any superstar with you put in front of him. hows dolph "catching up"? just because he can outperform khali? damn thats amazing
 
ok, when he defeated punk, that was the best match i can recall of all this year. and a promo isn't the same thing as talking in the ring. a promo is usually backstage. as for your example, how about before he was going to fight edge?

Perhaps finding a video of it on the internet and posting a link would have been a better idea, as opposed to just naming 2 random ones. This Punk match you're talking about. Which match are you talking about, because the last match i saw that involved them, the week before The Bash, he didn't say anything at all.

A promo is anything involving a wrestler with a mic in front of his face.

as for credibility, i could care less if you beleive me.

Then why bring it up?

your jokes were as stale as your dolph ziggler's moves.

Since he has few innovative moves of his own, the moves he does do would be pretty stale..... then again, Morrison only has like 3 or 4 innovative moves, so my jokes must be as stale as him too.

the dude doesn't have any holy sh** moments.

Ahhhh, now i get where you're coming from. You're a spot monkey. You get aroused by bouncy flips and dives to the outside.

morrison can't get a reaction? thats bullsh**. he's probably the only wrestler that you can't guess every damn move.

So? Hogan, Austin, Foley, HBK, Rock, Taker, Cena and HHH are all fairly predictable and always have been, and the majority of those names were Main Eventing in less time it's taken Morrison to gain the acclaim he has now. With the exception of Foley, HBK and Taker they don't have long lists of 'holy shit' moments either, and those three also didn't rely on stupid spots in order to get over either.

and the IC title? LMFAO are you serious?

A mid card heel getting a shot at a mid-card title with a ME face who could help him rise even higher. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I don't understand why you think i'm joking.

JoMo is likely to have a motha fu**in WHC match soon.

What is this based on? And what the fuck is this shit with censoring your own posts. How childish are you?

morrison won that stale belt years ago.

Mysterio, JBL, Kane, Benoit, Guerrero all won the World/WWE title before they ever won some of WWE's mid card titles. What's your point?

so how about make a good argument next time?

I already have. Twice. In your next response let's see if you've learned how to use capital letters, type curse words without using ****'s and form a coherent sentence.

the only think he's catching is the santino marella disease..IC title, Maria, beat "monsters" soon after debuting on shows.

With the exception of Umaga, what other monsters has Santino beaten?

to bad he doesn't have the mic skills like santino. ziggy couldn't beat a wall if he tried beating it with words.

If he isn't isn't in an angle, or creative are happy with what he's doing, then why would he say anything else? Undertaker isn't exactly golden on the mic and he's been ME for like nearly 20 years now. Santino, with all his amazing mic skills, has been doing the comedy jobber routine for like 2 years straight. In fact, he's doing what Ziggler was doing in the Spirit Squad a year before he came to the main roster. My point is you need to hit like 3 or 4 strikes out of 5 to make it in WWE, otherwise you're just being kept around to fill space. Morrison can do lots of cool stuff in the ring, and according to you he can talk, but can he tell a decent story in the ring? Is his ring psychology as good as some of the other superstars? Does he connect with the crowd at the shows, or do they just chant 'holy shit' when he fucks up a 450 plancha?

he only says hey i'm dolph ziggler then has to use weapons.

Because he's a cowardly heel who hasn't been around much. Don't you know anything?

atleast morrison can talk the talk and back it.

Back it? Why even make a statement like that? Has John Morrison been in UFC? All i've seen is him engaging in improvised violence aka professional wrestling. That's not backing your words dude, it's putting on a show.

did i ever say morrison was like hogan or austin?

Did i say you did?

No, i said Lashley was ripped, and it didn't do squat for him, until he started talking on the mic, fueding with McMahon and THEN doing high risk moves. Once he had several things going for him and not just one, he started getting pushed.

Morrison has about 2 things going for him, but needs more if he's truly going to succeed.
no, i said he's ripped. he has the look to him, thats all i was sayin

And i said it takes more than that. You seriously just pick random words frm posts to read don't you?

naw, i think you were better at receiving

Wow, great comeback. Did you think of that all by yourself, or did your special needs assistant write it down 3 days ago and you thought you'd use it now?

one last thing. you asked why he deserves a push. why not?
he's been tag champ, IC champ, ECW champ, so why not test him in the main event?

Not drawing consistently would be one reason. The ECW title was his test for the big belt, and we'll never know how that was supposed to pan out because, shock, horror, everyone's current favourite 'ripped' version of Zebedee was using 'roids, and the fued was cut short and he went back to being a tag team guy.

evidently vince thinks he's got talent putting him in matches with jericho, edge, and CM punk within a month.

Vince doesn't know what he's thinking so fuck knows how you do. Morrison had matches with Punk, Edge and Jericho within a month? WOW!!!!!!!

Khali won the WHC title and was having matches with Kane and Batista and Mysterio for several months. Does that mean Khali has talent?

who'd dolph fight?

Probably Rey Mysterio for the IC title in 2 weeks. Who's Morrison going to wrestle at the PPV?

nobody gives a shit.

Clearly not, because i do. Were you referring to yourself? You're a nobody, right?

vince knows where talent is and he knows morrison could outperform any superstar with you put in front of him.

Then why haven't we had any Morrison/HHH matches or Morrison/Taker matches, why didn't we get that Morrison/HBK fued that everyone wanted a little while back? What about Morrison/Cena..... oh wait, they did do that one, and it resulted in Cena squashing Morrison and moving on to something worth doing.

hows dolph "catching up"? just because he can outperform khali? damn thats amazing

When guys like JR talk about them being the future of the company in the same breath, that usually indicates that they're at the same sort of level. Then again JR has said that about a lot of guys who've amounted to nothing so take his opinion for what it's worth.

Dolph has had a fued in the last month, Morrison had what could only really be referred to as a series of matches with Shelton and then been used to wrestle ME guys who don't have anything else to do. He's likely to have a IC title match at NOC, fuck it, maybe both of them will. Maybe then you'll believe that Ziggler is catching up.

When Taker returns we'll see just how much either of them accomplish.
 
I'll take Ziggler right now. He's constantly improving and he has almost caught up to Morrison so quickly. Morrison isn't that great on the mic and his moves are spotty and botchy at best. If he can learn to tell a story in the ring better, than maybe my opinion will change but I still take Dolph for now. Ziggler will probably win the title at NOC and Morrison will be sitting at home. Ziggler will turn out to be a better heel than Morrison will be a face.
 
i like dolph zigglar better he looks like a superstar he has big muscles and lots of charizma and i think he can be world champion one day i think he will be a good wwe superstar for a long time he ever looks like kurt russel so thats pretty cool also on the other hand jon morrison looks like he should be wearing tampons and getting pap smears he does not look like a superstar.
 
dude lamest comeback ever. just wait til taker comes back and we'll see who's catching up?morrison could outperform ziggler, he could cut a promo a helluva lot better, and did this dude say ziggler has muscles? dude morrison has to be the most best in shape wrestler i've seen. you guys that don't like morrison hate him because he has Holy shit moments and has long hair? thats bias. and did you actually say that foley doesn't have his moments? if there was anyone that was the toughest SOB..it was foley. the dude was demolised every match he had. holy shit was constant with him. morrison is so much better than ziggler yet you guys criticize him because he can do move that none of us could pull off? thats sad
 
I prefer Morrison, although to be fair I think both are going to have good careers, possibly great. Morrison will be headlining 'Mania with Swagger in years to come. Ziggler could quite possibly be just below them in that pecking order. There's A LOT of new talent coming through, and I'm loving it at the moment. I prefer Morrison because he's more entertaining, but that's down to personal preference I'm sure. Both are great.
 
Right now John Morrison seems to be better but I think Dolph Ziggler will catch him soon.I don't know why people loves Morrison so much but I watched his all stuff since his debut and I have never found something special on him.The only time I liked him was when he was in tag team league with Mercury and Miz.Because I think midcard is the best place for him to be.He only gets reaction when he does some spotty moves.Crowd doesn't care rest of his match.I don't why you think he has some much charisma because he lacks in charisma very much.The only entertaining promos I remember from him is again is with Miz.I know he's getting a huge push right now and likely can win the WH title if WWE's not thinking a long Punk reign but do you remember Shelton Benjamin a few years ago he'd beaten some Evolution members and everyone thought he would be in the ME picture soon but just look at Shelton right now he returned where he started.Because he doesn't have the charisma to connect with the crowd even though Morrison's mic skills and charisma is far better than Shelton I don't see him more than upper midcarder.On the other hand just look at Dolph Ziggler he was a part of one of the if not the worst stable of all time.When he refreshed his gimmick creative only gave him "Hi my name's Dolph Ziggler"He didn't have any attitude or gimmick how can someone draw heat by this kind of a shitty gimmick.Now look at him he started a program with one of the top faces of SD and his chances of winning the IC title is huge and now he's considered at the same level as Morrison.The only difference is WWE always tried to give a push to Morrison they even gave him the ECW title when it was considered as a world championship but on the other hand only thing Ziggler got was a lame cathcphrase and stupid cheerlader gimmick.
 
dude lamest comeback ever.

You've obviously not read your own posts once you've posted them.

just wait til taker comes back and we'll see who's catching up?

:banghead: For fuck's sake, seriously, READ WHAT IS POSTED BEFORE YOU RESPOND!!!!!

Here's what I ACTUALLY said:

Wait 'til Taker comes back and then we'll see what they accomplish

I said this because right now, the mid-card is starting to flourish in WWE. Mid-card titles are actually being defended on PPV again, and nobodys are getting fueds in order to get them over. But what's the key hting to note about Raw and SD right now? The two legends are missing from both brands. No HBK, and no Taker. When they both return, mid-card fueds will probably dip again because they need to get 2 of their biggest stars back on TV, i.e. Ziggler and Morrison probably won't be featured as prominently as they are being now.

morrison could outperform ziggler

So he fuckin' well should, he's been in WWE long enough to out perform a guy who's only been booked not to get squashed every match in the last few months. You might as well be comparing Sheamus with Kurt Angle.

he could cut a promo a helluva lot better,

You've still given no evidence to support this.

and did this dude say ziggler has muscles? dude morrison has to be the most best in shape wrestler i've seen.

Who gives a fuck what he looks like? Seriously, who cares how many muscles he has?

you guys that don't like morrison hate him because he has Holy shit moments and has long hair?

No, i'm a great advocate of guys with long hair and i don't hate him for being a spot monkey, i just don't see it as a reason to ejaculate whenever i watch SD!.... if ever.

thats bias.

No, it's a statement of opinion.

and did you actually say that foley doesn't have his moments?

Course he did, except the majority of them involved hundreds of destroyed braincells each time.

if there was anyone that was the toughest SOB..it was foley. the dude was demolised every match he had. holy shit was constant with him.

wtf does this have to do with Morrison and Ziggler? We've established that you only like twisty flips and weapons galore, stick to the subject at hand.

morrison is so much better than ziggler yet you guys criticize him because he can do move that none of us could pull off? thats sad

Don't know about everyone else, but i'm just criticizing you for once again talking a load of non-sensical rubbish.
 

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