*Merged* WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! Raw has bad ratings *All in here*

[wrestlingking]

I blame poor ratings due to lack of creative storylines. Also a lack of classic tag team wrestling. If WWE would hire people who arent retired wrestlers to come up with the storylines, there would be something fun to watch. As for tag team wrestling, that was one thing I loved to watch. Back in the day there would be one week where 2 tag teams faced off then the next week, both teams wrestled but in singles matches against eachother. When TNA Impact was on mondays for that short period, thats what I watched because of tag team wrestling.

WWE, hire some young blood for your creative staff and bring back the way tag team wrestling used to be. If not, the ratings will continue to drop and drop and drop.

 

[wwe australia]

OK from a view outside of the USA i do not think it is the football that is lessening crowds worldwide. Its the product.
They firstly have new talent coming in and trying to replace the ones lost, but the problem is the setup i believe. I believe wwe do believe in making changes through the predicaments that are occuring. The news of miz becoming the next face of the wwe and finallly hopefully replacing cena. The supposed changing of the wwe logo and the unification of titles. The fact is people are getting bored of the same shit every week. the GM story if done right could actually turn into something decent if the GM is the right guy or gal.

-We need to have built storylines that are arnt so bland and boring. The undertaker and kane feud is something that has a great plot even though has been done before, prob is for me kane is not at his prime no more and aint too great to watch in the main event status.

-major turns in the placement s of superstars. the wheels are already turning for this as large heels like edge have dropped from the main spotlight and fallen under sheamus and soon miz. prob is that the top faces arent stepping down for others such as cena but hes still the moneymaker so until they turn him heel(unfort. never) its gunna be harder for face midcarders(morrison) to move into the spotlight.

wwe is making changes to try and keep the entertainment going but they still need to do more.

 

[wrestlingking]

-We need to have built storylines that are arnt so bland and boring. The undertaker and kane feud is something that has a great plot even though has been done before, prob is for me kane is not at his prime no more and aint too great to watch in the main event status..

that fued has nothing to do with Raw. Its a boring fued too. If they were wrestling on Raw, i'd change the channel cuz im sick of their fued for the 34th time.

 

[ctln4rko]

Ok. I highly doubt this has been a topic yet, because wwe has had bad raw ratings two weeks in a row. This is ,relatively speaking, a open ending question. WWE has had bad raw RATINGS for 2 weeks, yet 2 nights ago was my favorite raw from the summer. ( See threads ThAnK yOu ViNcE and Hello Heel Morrison) My question how will wwe pull the ratings up? Unless you feel it with your whole heart, don't just say, take the title off orton. I want to know what you want to see! Plus, how long do you think this ratings drought will last?

 

[californiachef84]

Two things:

1. As others have said, Raw deals with Monday Night Football every year. There have been more popular teams put head to head on Monday Night opposite Raw in the past 13 years, I promise.

2. Monday night football this week was the 5th most watched cable show of all time. Monday Night Football didn't used to be on cable, it was on basic TV up until I think 2 years ago.

So it's likely that this wasn't even the most watched Monday Night Football in the past 13 years.

You can't deny that there's a drop in the rating. Some possible reasons:

-People are less interested in wrestling in general. It's basically been rehashed garbage for the past 8+ years. Find me something that's being done that's new and refreshing on the product. Don't worry, I'll wait.

-DVR's. I didn't watch Raw because I DVR'd it and watched the Packers/Bears. They're becoming more and more popular, which means less people need to watch Raw live on Monday Nights. Particularly when they know for a fact nothing incredible is going to happen.

Dude, even when you DVR something it STILL counts towards the ratings... Does anyone even really watch any of this crap live??? The DVR allows me to skip through all of the commercials, plus I can also skip through that horse faced, annoying SOB known as the Miz... It is a shame that I had to skip through two guys that I actually liked ( Morrison & Danielson) because that punk college frat boy Miz was in there too... Is it bad that I wish the guy got hit right in the throat with Triple H's sledgehammer??? I mean, that way we would never have to hear him talk again... Anyways, I digress... The only thing that I watch live is football games because they feel like a BIG TIME event... When was the last time that Raw felt like it was a BIG TIME event??? Raw hasn't really felt like it was important since either Goldberg debuted or when Hogan returned... That was like 8 years ago... I totally agree with most of your post...

 

[Mr_billy]

Honestly, I have to admit I didn't watch raw this week, Da Bears were playing the Packers, the biggest and oldest rivalry in pro football history. The midwest is a huge area wrestling fan base, and when the two most popular teams are both undefeated on MNF, why watch wrestling? Plus look at the other good shows on Monday, it pisses me off I can only DVR two shows at a time, before now, I remember Monday TV sucking and only Raw was on, so that is why the rating was low.

 

[californiachef84]

your wrong there. check your sources before making comments.

Well I guess that I do not know this for sure...

However, I have read on both here and prowrestling.net about them waiting for the final rating to come in because of having to wait for the neilson people to count the DVR's because of a holiday weekend... I believe last year's Labor day weekend was when I read that... So, whatever I guess...

 

[Uncle Chester]

Yes TNA fans WWE had a massive drop in ratings in 1 week just because WWE 'sucks' right now. This is BULLSHIT. No ratings decrease as substantial as this one is can be blamed on a poor product. A poor product will get GRADUAL decreases over time not 1 massive fucking downfall. This is obviously football and it being more of an incentive to watch.

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

Come on...2 bad ratings and you think Raw is going downhill..Its because of MNF, that Raw did bad last week and because last nights was a taped show, where people had already seen spoilers!! It'll go back up in the coming weeks, it'll probaly hit a 3.0+ next week..just chill out, sit back and let time do its job!

Just because it's not getting much viewership on tv, doesn't mean much...WWE is still up there!!

 

[Davi323]

In addition to it being a great Monday Night Football game, look at where it was played. It was played at Soldier Field, in Chicago...why is that significant? Chicago is the 3rd largest TV market in the USA, behind New York and Los Angeles. That means an even higher percentage of people than normal watched the Bears/Packers, because of the obvious local interest, in a huge TV market.

amazing how people will bash tna in a thread that has NOTHING to do with them at all. wwe takes a hit every year, none this bad but it happens all the same. they will rebound like always. i hate vince with a passion but the man is smart and knows how to overcome things like this.

Only when the TNA trolls come out from hiding, to bash a product that even with the MNF competition, still gets 3 times the ratings.

 

[alistahr]

stop pulling the football card.

wcw and wwe destroyed football back in the day in the ratings, its no excuse.

now you will say yeah but those were other times, oh yeah? could it be because wwe was good back then? hmmm interesting

raw blows so no one cares... im glad.. lets hope it gets lower so they will finally wake up and do something about the show, its awful.

 

[Mustang Sally]

.... Im sure WWE is in panic mode right now with apparent interest being lost in the current product.

Katey, bar the door! There's TNA varmints loose in the henhouse!

I'm sure WWE is concerned, but an apparent loss of interest doesn't come that fast or that severely. For those of you who believe that WWE will never again score above 2.5...... wait a week or so.

There was a traditional rival football game on Monday night between two undefeated teams. There was even a "Gossip Girl" first-run show. Plus, we're getting down to the last few nights of warm weather; and Monday night really was a beauty. It's encouraging to think that some folks spent it outside instead of planted in front of their TV.

Yes, Vince won't like this.....and his sponsors will like it even less. But they have a fine product and an ever-loyal audience. It'll be okay.

 

[Ferbian]

Wah wah wah wah.

Good god, big deal? Sure it's a little critical for WWE, but we all know they'll come back strong eventually again. The production is going a little down-hill some might say, however I have to admit I continue to enjoy the production that WWE puts on. I'm not that picky. And I don't really care if they get a low rating. Because, let's face it, it's not our company. As long as they still produce the show, which I seriously doubt they'd stop doing, well then we're all good. Honestly where's the down-side for us, as fans?

We still get the product, the ever so popular saying though goes "If you don't like it, don't watch it". That's what happened these past 2 weeks, a good handful of people rather wanted to watch football, and that's their decision. Hardly something us wrestling fans should really go around and complain about.

Also, all of those people trying to come up with ways to improve the ratings. That's all good and fine, but honestly the majority of it is absolutely shit, and something that won't be happening, in a long time, if ever. John Cena heel turn? HA! Bringing back JR? Won't fix the ratings. The majority of the things are either ridiculous, and / or won't affect ratings.

Stop trying to predict a way to fix a problem that doesn't even involve you to anything but being a viewer.

 

[Reddannihilation]

Yes TNA fans WWE had a massive drop in ratings in 1 week just because WWE 'sucks' right now. This is BULLSHIT. No ratings decrease as substantial as this one is can be blamed on a poor product. A poor product will get GRADUAL decreases over time not 1 massive fucking downfall. This is obviously football and it being more of an incentive to watch.

Ahem, finger poke of doom dude. Soaring high -> POW -> Low

Only when the TNA trolls come out from hiding, to bash a product that even with the MNF competition, still gets 3 times the ratings.

The first person to mention TNA was ripping them. Also 1 + 1 + 1 = 2.7 or 2.37 now? Good math. I don't think the WWE is in danger of going out of business but trying to ignore it as "Oh there was good football on" is ******ed. In the past 13 years were the only football games bad or something? Must've been.

I don't want this to devolve to WWE vs TNA, there's a section for that. But it is interesting to note that when the WWE's top show loses half a point in ratings it's just "that time of the year" or "good football". TNA loses 0.1 of their rating and they're gonna be out of business 2 days later. Double standards up in this hizzhouse.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

Anyone trying to come up with things to raise the Ratings again are idiots. Turning John Cena Heel or bringing JR back (he has heath issues by the way) won't get them back up to the 4s or 5s. The Show still does Solid Ratings in the Mid-Low 3s,yeah I know it went down the past 2 weeks but it went up against 2 MNF Games that people wanted to see and no thats not an excuse as some people have said on here.

 

[RD_21]

First hate it or love it I would scrap PG it's clearly not working with the older fan base. I am not talking attitude era either just more edgier a little bit, not scared of blood to the point of stopping a match in the middle, little things like that.

Then again hate it or love it, Cena is going heel, I want to crush the heart of the little kid who look up to him, I want them to cry. Not just because I am mean and cold hearted but because it will make them watch even more to see Cena get his ass kick and they will cheer like crazy the person who oppose him, making it easier to create new star.

On Smackdown I would add new member to the SES and push them to the moon. CM Punk would be champion, they would have the tag title and they will rules. I want every heel to be face compare to them. Punk would make some truly great matches and the face who oppose him would just like on Raw be monster face.

You need monster heel to make your face relevant. When Orton is facing Sheamus (which I don't care for) I don't care for the feud because Sheamus isn't a big enough heel, you need a HHH heel that would TAKE OUT ALL the faces so he get really hated. Say what you want about HHH but when he was winning all the time people were legitimately hating him.

You need to want to see the heel lose.

You also need star and better booking.

Finally less PPV and don't ask 50 for it. I know WWE want their PPV to feel like they are cool and big like UFC who are charging 80$ but I don't order UFC PPV either. They also have to tone down the match on Raw opposing people who are feuding. Most of the time the 2 guys who will face each other at the PPV have already face each other in tag match or normal match 2 or 3 times before the PPV or they feuded together 3 times in the last year already.

To finish I really hope that the rating continue to be bad and even decrease so WWE would have no choice but to take notice and raise their game up.

 

[californiachef84]

Yes TNA fans WWE had a massive drop in ratings in 1 week just because WWE 'sucks' right now. This is BULLSHIT. No ratings decrease as substantial as this one is can be blamed on a poor product. A poor product will get GRADUAL decreases over time not 1 massive fucking downfall. This is obviously football and it being more of an incentive to watch.

This is not a "massive" drop in ratings all of a sudden... The ratings HAVE been on a steady decrease... The episode when the Nexus showed up did a 3.6 rating... The rating for Raw BEFORE Monday Night Football started ( the Raw from 3 weeks ago) did a 3.0 .... That is a 0.6 drop in the ratings with NO Monday Night Football to blame... Smarten up before you speak...

 

[Spidey Revivey]

OH NOES!!!1!! WWE's ratings aren't as high with Monday Night Football going on. Who knew?

Seriously, this is nothing new. MNF has always been on top of the Monday Lineup; even with the Attitude Era going on now and then Football topped it. It's not the end of the world and definitely not the end of WWE. Whoever thinks this shouldn't even be allowed near a computer and call themselves a member of the IWC.

And for the TNA marks (you know who you are- you've made yourselves known too clearly) get over yourselves. Even with football going on WWE still outranks you. They can make Santino champion and I'm sure they'll be getting higher ratings then the squabble that is TNA. And this is coming from someone who enjoys TNA's product thus far.

 

[Davi323]

Hey look, what do you know...a less interesting Monday Night Football game this week between the Pats and the Dolphins, and Raw's ratings jump back up to a 3.31. C'mon TNA marks, you guys insisted that the WWE was dying, that it had nothing to do with football, and everything to do with people losing interest in the WWE. How do you explain the sudden rise in ratings that coincided with a less spectacular football game? If you want to claim it had nothing to do with football, and had more to do with Cena being forced to join Nexus (because lets face it, that was the only thing of consequence that actually happened at HIAC) then you can't bitch about the WWE not creating compelling storylines...which you frequently complain about. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that the WWE is stale, boring, and the storylines suck, thus the ratings have been dropping, ignoring MNF, and maintain that argument now. If we use your 2.37 ratings number, that means that in one week, Raw managed to increase its audience by almost a full point...or, to put it another way, by almost the same amount of people that watch Impact, total. If you refuse to admit that Raw's ratings are directly affected by the quality of the MNF game, how do you account for that? How do you account for a million more people tuning in this week than last, while ignoring the fact that the 3rd largest TV market in the USA was watching football last week, because their team was playing their most hated rival in a very close game? You can't. TNA fanboy, while your wishful thinking is amusing at times, Raw's ratings have dropped because of football, not because of lack of interest in the product. Admit you were wrong.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

If I've said it once, I've said it a dozen times. Vince McMahon has it in cruise control. He's doing whatever HE wants to do as far as stories go and until another competitor or TNA becomes a viable threat to his share of wrestling's audience, you'll continue to see mundane ratings. The ratings are bad because there's nothing interesting about WWE's product. They're over exposed and there's no surprises anymore it seems like.

Back when Raw was going strong, the characters were captivating and funny, the dialogue and attitudes were realistic, and fans ate it up. Now, you have Cena as a glorified cartoon character, Orton as the paranoid schizo with a heart of gold, and heels that aren't really 'heels'. I haven't seen Miz bust anyone open. I haven't seen Sheamus take a shillelagh to anyone. There's no sense of realism to the stories. I know it's fake, but you have to give the fans a HINT that some of what's going on could be real. Without that, all you have is 8 year old's in Cena arm bands. And kids aren't a huge share of the WWE's audience. That would be the 18-35 year old demographic. And they're turning off Raw so fast, it's making WWE's head spin.