*MERGED* Undertaker's POTENTIAL Wrestlemania Opponents Thread

so wwe is ignoring the fact that Kane beat undertaker 3 times and so when/if taker returns he we forget about kane and go after Wade Barrett? ya that makes sense plus whats the point now that Barrett is out of nexus, coz i could see nexus helping Barrett to beat taker but now he stands no chance... they should of just have cena face taker now... and it doesnt have to be a heel cena coz we had hbk a face take on taker twice and had great matches so cena can just come out and say "well i got nothin to do for mania so how about i take on the deadman...(when i say nothin which im hoping he doesnt win the rumble and faces miz coz that is terrible, i'd rather have maybe miz with the wwe title defend agaisnt morrison in like a ladder match or sumthing... sorry getting off topic)..............................................................................................................hey have we ever seen taker be in a triple -threat match at mania? maybe he should face barrett and cm punk???
 
IMO, Taker vs Barrett is going to be a waste of time. Nobody with any sense would expect Barrett to win that match or look like any legitimate threat to the streak. WWE would have been much better off booking a biggie like Taker vs cena but they won't do it, even though it will single-handedly save the declining PPV buy-rate.

Or better off is Taker vs Lesnar, since Lesnar has not practiced/ trained for MMA after his loss to Cain, and he is not answering White's calls. Maybe he does want to do Mania, since his next UFC match will fetch him $ 400000 whereas Mania will fetch him $ 2 million, even for a loss against Taker. And what's more? Lesnar needs WWE now because he wants to stay safe and healthy after the threatening situation he passed through earlier in 2009/ '10. Surely there isn't enough time to build this match up because Lesnar will have to pay contract-breaking fees to UFC (probably McMahon will manage that), and moreover Taker is still injured so we don't even know if he will return in time to build a story or even fight at Mania. But definitely, if Vince is adamant about this and wants it to happen, there must be some positive signs from Lesnar on it and there might be something going on in the background but we're not aware of it since nothing is finalized. But if that happens, it will skyrocket the sales of Mania.
 
HBK vs Taker was great because it was very possible HBK could have won. Barrett vs Taker? Come on. That's a squash match. :wtf:
 
IMO, Taker vs Barrett is going to be a waste of time. Nobody with any sense would expect Barrett to win that match or look like any legitimate threat to the streak. WWE would have been much better off booking a biggie like Taker vs cena but they won't do it, even though it will single-handedly save the declining PPV buy-rate.

Or better off is Taker vs Lesnar, since Lesnar has not practiced/ trained for MMA after his loss to Cain, and he is not answering White's calls. Maybe he does want to do Mania, since his next UFC match will fetch him $ 400000 whereas Mania will fetch him $ 2 million, even for a loss against Taker. And what's more? Lesnar needs WWE now because he wants to stay safe and healthy after the threatening situation he passed through earlier in 2009/ '10. Surely there isn't enough time to build this match up because Lesnar will have to pay contract-breaking fees to UFC (probably McMahon will manage that), and moreover Taker is still injured so we don't even know if he will return in time to build a story or even fight at Mania. But definitely, if Vince is adamant about this and wants it to happen, there must be some positive signs from Lesnar on it and there might be something going on in the background but we're not aware of it since nothing is finalized. But if that happens, it will skyrocket the sales of Mania.

Agreed with everything u said, Mayank. How the hell Vince believed Taker vs Barrett can garner 1 million buys? I wonder whether the day where Vince realizes this and books Taker vs Cena already.

Taker vs Wade is a pathetic joke, much like Taker vs Henry.
 
Its just been reported that they are going to try and book Barret and Undertaker at wm if Undertaker can make it back in time.

I think this is a good thing for Barret if they can pull it off. Im sure Barrett won't win but what a add to the resume this would be if he does get a match at wrestlemania with the dead man him self.

There where reports that John Cena would like to face undertaker at the big stage but I think they should save that for win undertaker is ready to retire because I don't think they want just anybody face taker in his last match.
So John Cena vs. Undertaker in undertakers last match would be a better fit, I would think.
I hope they have this year and then next year be his last Wrestlemania and call it 20 and 0.

Back to undertaker vs Barrett.

Can Barrett handle a match with undertaker? Is he worthy of a position like this? Would you chose some one else?
For my opinion, I think this is the best thing they could do for Barrett and I hope that undertaker can make it back in time.
Barrett seems like he is wanting to move up in the company and you can see that fire in his eye that he is willing to work hard for them.

I predicted this a while ago when Nexus inexplicably buried Taker. But Barrett on his own vs. Taker makes no sense. It would be something different if Nexus was behind him and a serious chance to gang up and beat up Taker.

Taker is getting old and may not have many Manias left. I would've liked to see him face Cena or Triple H or someone like that. Barrett would've been ok if he destroyed Cena, but that didn't happen.

Cena vs. Miz isn't very compelling to me, either. It looks like this WM will need to be carried by 1 or 2 great matches, as the other guys seem to be transitioning to main event status but not the hot ticket main eventer yet (i.e. Miz, Sheamus, Barrett...).
 
I say give it to Barrett, if he can pull it off and come very close to defeating the streak finally give him a title shot that he deserves, afterall he got screwed over the first time by WWE Creative when he faced Randy, and then again when it they had Cena as special guest referee, and then now a thord time by kicking him out of Nexus. Have him establish himself as a man who can get shit done without Nexus that way when he becomes WWE/WH Champion he can look back at Nexus and say he didnt need them afterall. Knowing WWE they wont be doing a damn thing with Barrett anymore, so when Cena returns Im guessing hell just "forget" about Barrett as will everyone on RAW just like Creative apparently "forgot" about Nexus' bigger picture which has STILL been unexplained. So Taker vs Barrett at Mania will be a great thig, and hell if WWE wanted to give off massive heat have Nexus interfere, rejoin up with Barrett, have Cena and Punk "make the save" and have them all beat down on Taker, and Barrett get the cheap win and defeat the streak, successfully giving Barrett massive heat, Punk even more heat, Cena a successful heel turn, and Nexus, well either more heat or just more hate form the fans lol I know it won't happen, but I can dream right?
 
I say give it to Barrett, if he can pull it off and come very close to defeating the streak finally give him a title shot that he deserves, afterall he got screwed over the first time by WWE Creative when he faced Randy, and then again when it they had Cena as special guest referee, and then now a thord time by kicking him out of Nexus. Have him establish himself as a man who can get shit done without Nexus that way when he becomes WWE/WH Champion he can look back at Nexus and say he didnt need them afterall. Knowing WWE they wont be doing a damn thing with Barrett anymore, so when Cena returns Im guessing hell just "forget" about Barrett as will everyone on RAW just like Creative apparently "forgot" about Nexus' bigger picture which has STILL been unexplained. So Taker vs Barrett at Mania will be a great thig, and hell if WWE wanted to give off massive heat have Nexus interfere, rejoin up with Barrett, have Cena and Punk "make the save" and have them all beat down on Taker, and Barrett get the cheap win and defeat the streak, successfully giving Barrett massive heat, Punk even more heat, Cena a successful heel turn, and Nexus, well either more heat or just more hate form the fans lol I know it won't happen, but I can dream right?

No you can't dream, because your dreams are ******ed. Sorry if that was harsh but really man? First off saying WWE Creative "screwed" Barrett three times is completely ridiculous. I doubt that they had ever planned him to win the titles, and having him leave Nexus was just a natural progression. Also, if Barrett did get a "cheap win" I sure a decent amount of people would stop watching WWE.

But for my opinion(feel free to rip me a new one if you like) but I am throughly disappointed if this happens. Yes, you can say the whole Nexus burying Taker would be the setup for the storyline but I can only seeing the match being decent at best. Taker is not going to be 100% and Barrett is a ground and pound type of wrestler. So as a regular PPV match I could see it work, but with the whole aura surrounding Wrestlemania I just feel its going to suck. Yeah it would be great experience for him, but like Sheamus or even Ted Dibiase Jr. would be a better choice.

I would like to see a Undertaker vs CM Punk match if they go for the Nexus angle. If not keep it with the top guys: John Cena, Jericho, or Lesner.
 
Very dissapointed in thsi decision. If Barret cant beat Orton and Cena in various title matches and with the help of Nexus he has no chance of ending the streak. Yeh, nobody will end the streak but Taker needs a bigger opponent for the what if factor.

The only thing that would interest me would be if he had the entire Nexus crew behind him in a handicap. Looks unlikely though.
 
No you can't dream, because your dreams are ******ed. Sorry if that was harsh but really man? First off saying WWE Creative "screwed" Barrett three times is completely ridiculous. I doubt that they had ever planned him to win the titles, and having him leave Nexus was just a natural progression. Also, if Barrett did get a "cheap win" I sure a decent amount of people would stop watching WWE.

But for my opinion(feel free to rip me a new one if you like) but I am throughly disappointed if this happens. Yes, you can say the whole Nexus burying Taker would be the setup for the storyline but I can only seeing the match being decent at best. Taker is not going to be 100% and Barrett is a ground and pound type of wrestler. So as a regular PPV match I could see it work, but with the whole aura surrounding Wrestlemania I just feel its going to suck. Yeah it would be great experience for him, but like Sheamus or even Ted Dibiase Jr. would be a better choice.

I would like to see a Undertaker vs CM Punk match if they go for the Nexus angle. If not keep it with the top guys: John Cena, Jericho, or Lesner.

Dude, you said it the best so far. There's NO WAY Barrett can pull this off. He's just not ready! This match is a pathetic joke, just like Undertaker's match against Big Boss Man at Wrestlemania 15, Big Show & A-Train at Wrestlemania 19, and Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 22.

Who would believe an aging Boss Man could defeat The Undertaker after Taker consecutively defeated 3 legendary monster heels in the form of Diesel, Sid, and Masked Kane respectively at Wrestlemania 12, 13, and XIV?

Who would believe Big Show & A-Train stood a chance after Undertaker defeated Triple H & Ric Flair two years back at Wrestlemania X-7 & X-8?

Who would believe Mark Henry could win against Undertaker after Undertaker defeated Randy Orton just one year earlier?

Vince McMahon, other than you and your stupid writers, who would believe a rookie like Barrett, who is yet to win any titles and putting legendary matches & feuds, can win against The Undertaker if Batista, Edge, and Shawn Michaels couldn't? May I remind u kindly that Shawn Michaels tried twice?

I'll repeat this again: Taker vs Wade is a pathetic joke.

Oh, but I disagree with you on one thing: This match won't be decent, it'll be below decent. Why? Well, I'm yet to see an actual decent match from Barrett. So, since Taker is injured, don't hope Taker can carry him to a watchable match.
 
I dont know why everyone is expecting an "epic" match with taker and someone else likes its always been like that... it only was like that the last two years and it was because wwe is too lazy to book shit and of course they were out of fresh faces at the time.

My only hope is to see Barrett beat that stupid overrated streak and put that old man to rest once and for all.. i mean for fucks sake, he cant even handle 2 months of work
 
I dont know why everyone is expecting an "epic" match with taker and someone else likes its always been like that... it only was like that the last two years and it was because wwe is too lazy to book shit and of course they were out of fresh faces at the time.

My only hope is to see Barrett beat that stupid overrated streak and put that old man to rest once and for all.. i mean for fucks sake, he cant even handle 2 months of work

The last two years? Wow, so I take it you're blind then? Or maybe you're just foolish? Because you haven't actually seen The Undertaker's Wrestlemania classics with Diesel, Masked Kane, Triple H, Ric Flair, Randy Orton, Batista, and Edge it seems.

I thought the users around here are educated. Obviously I was wrong.
 
This is a woeful choice on a number of levels, firstly Nexus being involved in burying Taker was barely mentioned, the focus remained on Kane.

Secondly Barrett is not a big star and is zero threat to the streak, basically making the match of little to no interest.

Thirdly even taking the other two factors out, the likelihood of it being a good match is slim, Barrett hasn't really looked like much of a worker and is still learning, and Taker is broken down and can't carry a virtual rookie to anything resembling a great match.

I hope this rumour is just that and maybe leaked by WWE to distract from the actual plans they have. The steak is one of the few attractions Vince has going into this Mania with the intention of getting a million buys, if he uses Barret as the opponent he can forget about that buyrate.
 
This is a woeful choice on a number of levels, firstly Nexus being involved in burying Taker was barely mentioned, the focus remained on Kane.

Secondly Barrett is not a big star and is zero threat to the streak, basically making the match of little to no interest.

Thirdly even taking the other two factors out, the likelihood of it being a good match is slim, Barrett hasn't really looked like much of a worker and is still learning, and Taker is broken down and can't carry a virtual rookie to anything resembling a great match.

I hope this rumour is just that and maybe leaked by WWE to distract from the actual plans they have. The steak is one of the few attractions Vince has going into this Mania with the intention of getting a million buys, if he uses Barret as the opponent he can forget about that buyrate.

As usual, I agree with u.

And u know what makes me hate this match more, mate? The fact that some people believe Undertaker should job his streak to Barrett so it can establish Barret, simply because he is a young star and will be with WWE for too long. Wow, those people are psychics. It's almost like they can see to the future and be sure Wade won't die young in an accident or he won't leave the company after being handed this world on a silver plate like Ultimate Warrior and Brock Lesnar!!!

Good God almighty, Barrett hasn't even put a decent match yet! Whoever believes he can actually pull a legendary match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27?! That's just weird and disturbing! This is almost as worse as the rumor of Undertaker vs Kozlov at Wrestlemania 25 in Undefeated vs Undefeated!!

Oh, while we're at it, why don't u give me some thoughts? Let's entertain ourselves with a good discussion, just like the one in the last thread (^^).

Do u think Wade vs Taker can make it to Undertaker's top 10 Wrestlemania match?

I don't think Taker vs Wade has what it takes to enter Undertaker's top 10 Wrestlemania match. This here below is my own personal list of Top 10 Undertaker's Wrestlemania match. I'll also give my POV, of course.

Usually, most people agree with my list (although some don't, but it's rare). Either way let's use this as the model and here goes:

1. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXV)
2. Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV)
3. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXVI)
4. Undertaker vs Batista (Wrestlemania 23)
5. Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania X-7)
6. Undertaker vs Kane (Wrestlemania XIV)
7. Undertaker vs Diesel (Wrestlemania 12)
8. Undertaker vs Ric Flair (Wrestlemania X-8)
9. Undertaker vs Randy Orton (Wrestlemania 21)
10. Undertaker vs Sycho Sid (Wrestlemania 13)

What do u think? Where will it rank and why?

My POV:

For a start, I think we can agree there's no way in effing hell Taker vs Wade would even begin to touch the top 5, seeing how Taker won't be totally fit for the match and Wade has zero ability to carry someone to a legendary match. And yes, I'm saying Taker's match with Wade won't be as good as his match with Batista. Because before Batista had a WM match with Taker he had a series of great matches with legit main eventers in the form of HHH, JBL, great tag matches with Rey against Kane and Big Show, and Booker T. And he was damn over the crowd, and he wasn't as talentless as IWC"s made him up to be. He was at his PEAK of his main event run and he was more experienced (no matter how much IWC would hate this fact) than Barrett, seeing how Wade basically stuck with dull matches against either Orton or Cena. So no, I believe Taker vs Wade won't even lick the top 5.

On to bottom 5, a legendary match with Kane at WM 14. This has one of the, if not, finest storyline and most memorable build up of all time. Combine that with Kane's and Taker's astronomical chemistry at their first outings, and there u go. Not taking anything away from Wade, but I don't think he can top this one either.

The next is two overlooked gems with Diesel and Ric Flair. His match with Diesel is one of the finest example how The Undertaker carried someone with so-so wrestling talent to an underrated classic. Watch the match if u don't believe me. Too bad he couldn't have done the same with Giant Gonzales, King Kong Bundy, Big Boss Man, A-Train, and Mark Henry. But maybe that's also due the fact Nash was over as Diesel after a year long world title reign and no one could deny at the time he faced Taker, he was perhaps the finest monster heel in WWE.

And Taker had a wild under-appreciated brawl with Flair...a bloody one, too. Add the fact that Flair could actually move and wrestle around 2002, and he was over with the fans, and he had this legendary in-ring psychology Wade definitely lacks, not to mention his ability to sell any kind of move. So basically, the match was of guaranteed quality.

Sorry, but me thinks Taker vs Wade won't touch any of these two either.

That leaves us with Randy Orton and Sid. Taker's match with Sid was kinda his match with Diesel, but to a very lesser extent. And his match with Orton is on the list not only because it was Orton's best Wrestlemania match to date, but also the match which rocketed the credibility of The Streak to the seventh lovely heaven. Regardless, I can tell Taker vs Wade won't touch any of the top 8, but has the possibility to either best Taker vs Orton or Taker vs Sid. Dunno which, tho. Of course the match can also be worse than either of those two. But anyone here can't deny the fact that Sid was over on the crowd and he was decent enough to be somewhat deserving to go up against Undertaker. No offense to Barrett, but the inexperience level would not really put his match ahead of Sid vs. Taker.

I think there's no doubt since Taker vs Wade is penciled we're going to see Undertaker's worst Wrestlemania match ever since his encounter with Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 22. And yes, Vince can forget about the buyrate & sold out crowd.
 
I would assume if this report is correct that the Undertaker will then retire at the following wrestlemania because I cannot see why he would go out against Barrett as his last opponent unless he lost. But it would still be obscure even if he wanted to put him over. You would have to assume Barrett would lose this match but it would massively exciting nonetheless.

Sheamus debuted on raw in 2009 and by wrestlemania had a match against a WWE elite in HHH. But Barrett having a programme with Undertaker is far bigger than that because undertaker is the star attraction at wrestlemania. The WWE therefore realise what a talent they have in Wade Barrett to give him this kindof rub, undertaker is one of the two towering behemoths of the WWE alongside Cena and Barrett will have had a programme with both before the year is out, hard to see where he could possibly go from there eh?

If they use the nexus attack on taker from the buried alive mach with kane then they have good ammo for the match and plenty of time to build it seen as Barrett is most likely being moved to smackdown now. As always in these cases, it doesn't matter what the veteran does, undertaker's legacy is intact and legendary. It is about writing the legacy for Wade Barrett's future. I'm confident he could put on a good match with taker being a good 6ft 5 or so making them pretty similar in height.

To me it can only be a good thing because it is WWE putting faith in their <ahem> youth (ok Barrett isn't that young but..) and rising star's and showing the realisation of when top push talent, some guys don't need to be worked on extensively for five years to reach the top.

But ehn again if it doesn't happen at 'mania and this is all just a passing thought, well at least it was a good one.
 
As usual, I agree with u.

And u know what makes me hate this match more, mate? The fact that some people believe Undertaker should job his streak to Barrett so it can establish Barret, simply because he is a young star and will be with WWE for too long. Wow, those people are psychics. It's almost like they can see to the future and be sure Wade won't die young in an accident or he won't leave the company after being handed this world on a silver plate like Ultimate Warrior and Brock Lesnar!!!

Good God almighty, Barrett hasn't even put a decent match yet! Whoever believes he can actually pull a legendary match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 27?! That's just weird and disturbing! This is almost as worse as the rumor of Undertaker vs Kozlov at Wrestlemania 25 in Undefeated vs Undefeated!!

Oh, while we're at it, why don't u give me some thoughts? Let's entertain ourselves with a good discussion, just like the one in the last thread (^^).

Do u think Wade vs Taker can make it to Undertaker's top 10 Wrestlemania match?

I don't think Taker vs Wade has what it takes to enter Undertaker's top 10 Wrestlemania match. This here below is my own personal list of Top 10 Undertaker's Wrestlemania match. I'll also give my POV, of course.

Usually, most people agree with my list (although some don't, but it's rare). Either way let's use this as the model and here goes:

1. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXV)
2. Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV)
3. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXVI)
4. Undertaker vs Batista (Wrestlemania 23)
5. Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania X-7)
6. Undertaker vs Kane (Wrestlemania XIV)
7. Undertaker vs Diesel (Wrestlemania 12)
8. Undertaker vs Ric Flair (Wrestlemania X-8)
9. Undertaker vs Randy Orton (Wrestlemania 21)
10. Undertaker vs Sycho Sid (Wrestlemania 13)

What do u think? Where will it rank and why?

My POV:

For a start, I think we can agree there's no way in effing hell Taker vs Wade would even begin to touch the top 5, seeing how Taker won't be totally fit for the match and Wade has zero ability to carry someone to a legendary match. And yes, I'm saying Taker's match with Wade won't be as good as his match with Batista. Because before Batista had a WM match with Taker he had a series of great matches with legit main eventers in the form of HHH, JBL, great tag matches with Rey against Kane and Big Show, and Booker T. And he was damn over the crowd, and he wasn't as talentless as IWC"s made him up to be. He was at his PEAK of his main event run and he was more experienced (no matter how much IWC would hate this fact) than Barrett, seeing how Wade basically stuck with dull matches against either Orton or Cena. So no, I believe Taker vs Wade won't even lick the top 5.

On to bottom 5, a legendary match with Kane at WM 14. This has one of the, if not, finest storyline and most memorable build up of all time. Combine that with Kane's and Taker's astronomical chemistry at their first outings, and there u go. Not taking anything away from Wade, but I don't think he can top this one either.

The next is two overlooked gems with Diesel and Ric Flair. His match with Diesel is one of the finest example how The Undertaker carried someone with so-so wrestling talent to an underrated classic. Watch the match if u don't believe me. Too bad he couldn't have done the same with Giant Gonzales, King Kong Bundy, Big Boss Man, A-Train, and Mark Henry. But maybe that's also due the fact Nash was over as Diesel after a year long world title reign and no one could deny at the time he faced Taker, he was perhaps the finest monster heel in WWE.

And Taker had a wild under-appreciated brawl with Flair...a bloody one, too. Add the fact that Flair could actually move and wrestle around 2002, and he was over with the fans, and he had this legendary in-ring psychology Wade definitely lacks, not to mention his ability to sell any kind of move. So basically, the match was of guaranteed quality.

Sorry, but me thinks Taker vs Wade won't touch any of these two either.

That leaves us with Randy Orton and Sid. Taker's match with Sid was kinda his match with Diesel, but to a very lesser extent. And his match with Orton is on the list not only because it was Orton's best Wrestlemania match to date, but also the match which rocketed the credibility of The Streak to the seventh lovely heaven. Regardless, I can tell Taker vs Wade won't touch any of the top 8, but has the possibility to either best Taker vs Orton or Taker vs Sid. Dunno which, tho. Of course the match can also be worse than either of those two. But anyone here can't deny the fact that Sid was over on the crowd and he was decent enough to be somewhat deserving to go up against Undertaker. No offense to Barrett, but the inexperience level would not really put his match ahead of Sid vs. Taker.

I think there's no doubt since Taker vs Wade is penciled we're going to see Undertaker's worst Wrestlemania match ever since his encounter with Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 22. And yes, Vince can forget about the buyrate & sold out crowd.

I'm surprised that some think Wade should go over, I mean I have always advocated that someone should be put over huge with it before Taker retires, but certainly not a guy with less than a year under his belt and only 3 very average PPV singles matches to his name.

If were to rank Taker's Mania matches I'd put them like this:


1. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXVI)
2. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXV)
3. Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV)
4. Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania X-7)
5. Undertaker vs Batista (Wrestlemania 23)
6. Undertaker vs Ric Flair (Wrestlemania X-8)
7. Undertaker vs Randy Orton (Wrestlemania 21)
8. Undertaker vs Kane (Wrestlemania XIV)
9. Undertaker vs Diesel (Wrestlemania 12)
10. Undertaker vs Sycho Sid (Wrestlemania 13)


I have to say I toyed over whether put Taker vs Jake at #10

I think we can clearly discount a match with Barrett being better than any of the first 9 either storyline-wise or work-wise, for obvious reasons.

Now comparing Barrett and Sid there are two ways to look at it, I think if Taker was fully fit he could carry Barrett to a better match as Sid was fairly terrible, however Sid was also massively over and had beaten both Hart and HBK before he entered that match, so it's really all dependent on how they book Barrett in the lead in and how fit Taker is, as to whether it could force it's way into the top 10.
 
I would assume if this report is correct that the Undertaker will then retire at the following wrestlemania because I cannot see why he would go out against Barrett as his last opponent unless he lost. But it would still be obscure even if he wanted to put him over. You would have to assume Barrett would lose this match but it would massively exciting nonetheless.

Sheamus debuted on raw in 2009 and by wrestlemania had a match against a WWE elite in HHH. But Barrett having a programme with Undertaker is far bigger than that because undertaker is the star attraction at wrestlemania. The WWE therefore realise what a talent they have in Wade Barrett to give him this kindof rub, undertaker is one of the two towering behemoths of the WWE alongside Cena and Barrett will have had a programme with both before the year is out, hard to see where he could possibly go from there eh?

If they use the nexus attack on taker from the buried alive mach with kane then they have good ammo for the match and plenty of time to build it seen as Barrett is most likely being moved to smackdown now. As always in these cases, it doesn't matter what the veteran does, undertaker's legacy is intact and legendary. It is about writing the legacy for Wade Barrett's future. I'm confident he could put on a good match with taker being a good 6ft 5 or so making them pretty similar in height.

To me it can only be a good thing because it is WWE putting faith in their <ahem> youth (ok Barrett isn't that young but..) and rising star's and showing the realisation of when top push talent, some guys don't need to be worked on extensively for five years to reach the top.

But ehn again if it doesn't happen at 'mania and this is all just a passing thought, well at least it was a good one.

Hm, if we go by your logic, does that mean WWE had faith in A-Train and Mark Henry as well?

If only Barrett has at least one match that can be considered a classic under his belt, I might not bash him as much. At least before a match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 21, Orton got his match with Foley at Backlash 2004 and Benoit at Summerslam 2004. At least Batista got his match with Triple H at Wrestlemania 21, Backlash 2005, and Vengeance 2005.

So far, Barrett only got 3 below average PPV matches.

By the end of Wrestlemania 27, IWC would bash Undertaker as much as possible for yet 'burying' another young talent in his worst Wrestlemania match ever since the worst casket match ever against Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 22.
 
Well as I am a huge Wade Barrett fan I would love it if he had a 20 minute match with Taker as it would add alot to his credibility. And to those who are saying that it's like Mark Henry how?

Was Mark Henry arguably the biggest heel in the company at the time of the match? Did Mark Henry main-event 3 PPVs in a row against the two biggest faces in the WWE today? No

But if WWE want to do this match then they should have let Barrett keep his spot at Nexus instead of jumping ship. I know that alot of people are saying Barrett lost his momentum and I couldn't agree more. WWE made a mistake in not putting the belt on him at SS and this whole fired storyline really f*d up Barrett.
 
I'll repeat this again: Taker vs Wade is a pathetic joke.

Oh, but I disagree with you on one thing: This match won't be decent, it'll be below decent. Why? Well, I'm yet to see an actual decent match from Barrett. So, since Taker is injured, don't hope Taker can carry him to a watchable match.

Thanks, I agree with what you said too. To some people the streak is the only last real thing about wrestling and it's one of the few matches that always gets people to buy Wrestlemania. Yes Undertaker has had some horrible matches, but that was at the very beggining when he was just beating the largest monster they could send at him. In the last 10 or so matches there's only been like 2-3 bad matches.

Back to the Quote, I actually said it would be decent at best. I don't think it will be, but you never know with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. He's made magic there before, so at best it will be decent, but most likely it will just be a terrible mess that we will all want to forget.
 
Well as I am a huge Wade Barrett fan I would love it if he had a 20 minute match with Taker as it would add alot to his credibility. And to those who are saying that it's like Mark Henry how?

Was Mark Henry arguably the biggest heel in the company at the time of the match? Did Mark Henry main-event 3 PPVs in a row against the two biggest faces in the WWE today? No

But if WWE want to do this match then they should have let Barrett keep his spot at Nexus instead of jumping ship. I know that alot of people are saying Barrett lost his momentum and I couldn't agree more. WWE made a mistake in not putting the belt on him at SS and this whole fired storyline really f*d up Barrett.

Mark Henry did took out Batista and main evented Royal Rumble 2006 with Kurt Angle.

Oh, and Barrett isn't the biggest heel in the company. Vickie is.
 
Thanks, I agree with what you said too. To some people the streak is the only last real thing about wrestling and it's one of the few matches that always gets people to buy Wrestlemania. Yes Undertaker has had some horrible matches, but that was at the very beggining when he was just beating the largest monster they could send at him. In the last 10 or so matches there's only been like 2-3 bad matches.

Back to the Quote, I actually said it would be decent at best. I don't think it will be, but you never know with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. He's made magic there before, so at best it will be decent, but most likely it will just be a terrible mess that we will all want to forget.

Your last sentence is incredible. How the hell Vince supposed Taker vs Barrett could make a legendary match and help him reach a 1 million buys is beyond me.
 
Mark Henry did took out Batista and main evented Royal Rumble 2006 with Kurt Angle.

Oh, and Barrett isn't the biggest heel in the company. Vickie is.
Well wrestling wise he ARGUABLY is but we all have our opinions

Yes its true that Henry did take out the champ and main-event the Royal Rumble but he didn't have the momentum and heat Barrett had. But WWE messed up the momentum by having him be outsmarted by CM Punk and beaten at TLC
 
I'm surprised that some think Wade should go over, I mean I have always advocated that someone should be put over huge with it before Taker retires, but certainly not a guy with less than a year under his belt and only 3 very average PPV singles matches to his name.

Sometimes, people can be dumber than we can imagine. I always find it BS whenever someone says guy A or guy B deserves to end The Streak just because they're youngsters. Who're they to guarantee guy A or guy B won't die young like Eddie and Owen or quit wrestling after being handed this world on a silver plate like Lesnar, Lashely, and Warrior?

If were to rank Taker's Mania matches I'd put them like this:


1. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXVI)
2. Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XXV)
3. Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV)
4. Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania X-7)
5. Undertaker vs Batista (Wrestlemania 23)
6. Undertaker vs Ric Flair (Wrestlemania X-8)
7. Undertaker vs Randy Orton (Wrestlemania 21)
8. Undertaker vs Kane (Wrestlemania XIV)
9. Undertaker vs Diesel (Wrestlemania 12)
10. Undertaker vs Sycho Sid (Wrestlemania 13)


I have to say I toyed over whether put Taker vs Jake at #10

Wow, I was kinda surprised u rank his second match with Shawn Michaels above his first and his match with Orton above his match with Masked Kane & Diesel. While ranking his 2 matches with Shawn Michaels may very well be a never ending debate (just like ranking the three Austin vs Rock matches), I'd love to hear more about your decision Orton. For me personally, his match with Orton is more known as its impact (bringing The Streak as a focal point) than his quality. Can't wait to hear your response on this matter, mate.

I think we can clearly discount a match with Barrett being better than any of the first 9 either storyline-wise or work-wise, for obvious reasons.

Now comparing Barrett and Sid there are two ways to look at it, I think if Taker was fully fit he could carry Barrett to a better match as Sid was fairly terrible, however Sid was also massively over and had beaten both Hart and HBK before he entered that match, so it's really all dependent on how they book Barrett in the lead in and how fit Taker is, as to whether it could force it's way into the top 10.

Yeah, it's hard to decide for me as well whether to put Jake or Sid for number 10. In the end, I believe his match with Sid is kind of underrated. Mostly because of Sid's bad rep and the very very lack of build up thanks to stupid writing. Regardless of what people believed, Sid was a four time world champion and the most dominant monster heel in the company ever since Diesel. And hell was he over as a monster heel with the crowds! A match against Undertaker at that time was coming, IMO.

And the match was far better than most of Taker's matches with big guys like Gonzales, Bundy, Henry, A-Train, Khali, Boss Man, Kozlov, Mabel, or Heidenrich. While of course it's not the best Wrestlemania main event in history, we've seen far worse main event than that like Hogan vs Sid himself at WM 8, Hogan vs Yokozuna at WM 9, Taylor vs Bigelow at WM 11, the crappy Battle Royal at WM 16, or Triple H vs Randy Orton at WM 25.

Not quite the main event that fans had been clamoring for, it was more representative of an end of an era, probably the final WWF main event that featured the old formula of Monster vs. Monster. Viewing this match kind of (barely) makes one nostalgic, remembering the old days of Hogan-Andre, Hogan-Bundy, Hogan-any big, bad, scary monster. Could have been much worse, but at least the heat from the turn of events in the Bret-Austin battle carried over, somewhat, into this match. But in fairness, almost nothing could have succesfully followed the act that was the Hart-Austin match.

Truly, this is a rare occasion where u see lots back and forth action from start to finish, filled with two big men flying all over the ring. While it's true the match can't be considered a Wrestlemania classic between two big guys like Taker's match with Diesel, Masked Kane, and Batista, it was an entertaining big man match, better than what we have nowadays. And Taker did a good job giving perhaps Sid's only great Wrestlemania match.

Back to the topic, to be fair, I don't think Wade can top this one either. Sid had something Wade doesn't: experience.
 
Well wrestling wise he ARGUABLY is but we all have our opinions

Yes its true that Henry did take out the champ and main-event the Royal Rumble but he didn't have the momentum and heat Barrett had. But WWE messed up the momentum by having him be outsmarted by CM Punk and beaten at TLC

I believe taking out the face of Smackdown! and having a match with a veteran gained more momentum than being constantly beaten by the faces of WWE and kicked out of a stable.

Wrestling wise, Miz garnered more heat than Wade. U only need to listen more.

But I do know one similarity about Henry and Barrett: Just like how Taker vs Henry betrayed Vince's hope for Taker carrying Henry to a legendary match, seeing how it turned out to be the worst casket match mankind has ever witnessed, I can tell Taker vs Barrett will be a below average match as well. Not only does Barrett have the ability or credibility to follow four Wrestlemania classics against Batista, Edge, and Shawn Michaels twice, he is also yet to put on at least one decent match in his career. All his 3 PPV matches are downright boring.
 
So much negativity here. I admit Barrett is not my ideal opponent for Taker at mania, but he’s not that bad of a choice. He has been built up as the top heel for the past six months. The top heel vs. Taker at mania seems ok. This reminds me a bit of WM21. Orton was built up as a top heel. His momentum was abruptly stopped by Evolution just like Barrett’s appears to be by Punk. Realizing he needed to do something to make an impact instead of just fade away Orton challenged Taker at mania. I could see Barrett doing the same thing. He’s been unceremoniously kicked out of Nexus and now he has something to prove. Most of us want Cena vs. Taker at mania. That’s the big money match. If that doesn’t happen Barrett could be a reasonable choice. Again, he’s not my ideal choice but I’ll wait to see what the creative team has planned before I bitch about it. Besides, there may not be any truth to this rumor at all.

HBK vs Taker was great because it was very possible HBK could have won. Barrett vs Taker? Come on. That's a squash match. :wtf:

Really? I knew HBK didn't stand a chance. Why would he be the one to end the streak? Barrett won the first nxt and has feuded with both Cena and Orton during his first few months with WWE. They're obviously high on him. Even though I don't think it's likely he'll end the streak I'd give him a better chance than HBK.

Hm, if we go by your logic, does that mean WWE had faith in A-Train and Mark Henry as well?

If only Barrett has at least one match that can be considered a classic under his belt, I might not bash him as much. At least before a match with The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 21, Orton got his match with Foley at Backlash 2004 and Benoit at Summerslam 2004. At least Batista got his match with Triple H at Wrestlemania 21, Backlash 2005, and Vengeance 2005.

So far, Barrett only got 3 below average PPV matches.

By the end of Wrestlemania 27, IWC would bash Undertaker as much as possible for yet 'burying' another young talent in his worst Wrestlemania match ever since the worst casket match ever against Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 22.

Did you ever think this could be Barrett's breakout match? A good contest where he takes Taker to the limit could really establish him even in a loss.

Sometimes, people can be dumber than we can imagine. I always find it BS whenever someone says guy A or guy B deserves to end The Streak just because they're youngsters. Who're they to guarantee guy A or guy B won't die young like Eddie and Owen or quit wrestling after being handed this world on a silver plate like Lesnar, Lashely, and Warrior?

So guys shouldn't get a big push just in case they die young? That doesn't make much sense. Besides wrestling Taker and beating Taker are two different things.
 
I think if some young guy should end the streak, it should be one of the two:

#1 Sheamus- a two time WWE champion, terrific heel, good mic skills, one of the better big men wrestlers. He has beaten HHH and Cena.

#2 Alberto Del Rio. Not only does he have excellent charisma like Barrett but he is a far superior wrestler from what I have seen from the two of them. This would have to happen in 2012 though at Wrestlemania 28 since I think that there isn't enough time to build a feud up between either of the aforementioned.
 

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