I would build my stable from under used/ill used people at FCW and recent rumored signees. To start with my stable would be managed by JR, yeah thats right the man under the black hat would act as mentor/manager/promoter(?) for my group. Along with JR to protect him would of course be Stone Cold. The whole point would eventually be for the payoff of Austin VRS Punk at Mania. JR would bring up some talent from FCW, Leakee, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins to be specific, they would be the work horses of this Stable the guys that you see on TV every time you tune in the would be the ones working towards TAG belts and IC/US Belt. JR would then decide that he wants to bring in Matt Morgan for muscle when SCSA is not around. Morgan would be chew though the upper mid card for the next few months to establish himself as an impact player. When he wins one of the mid card belts have him vacate the next night disdainfully refusing to accept any belt other then WWE or World Heavy weight belt and help one of the stable mates win a round robin style tournament for it. JR decides that he is sick of McMahon not believing in crusierweight's so he goes and tracks down the crusierwight belt and light heavyweight belts. Bring in Alex Shelly! Who feuds with Gabriel, Sin Carra, etc. I think the group would be a lose association rather then tight nit. Austin would expect them all to be able to handle their business with out to much BS. Over all they would be a face team but not afraid of heelish tactics to win. JR would say that they where all "In Development"
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I would choose a face stable 1 million percent I just think that there are not enough face stables around and should obviously happen. Name: Voice of the Voiceless
CM Punk- The leader, the champ, he would of course have a co leader in John Cena because I don't think Punk can carry a stable by himself.
Heath Slater- As the US Champion, I always wanted Slater to turn face I think people would start to love him as much as I do and lets just say when I watch Raw I look forward to his segment the most.
Michael McGillicutty and Husky Harris- Again always wanted them to turn face. They'd be the Tag Team.
Zack Ryder- The goofy clown of the group. But could still carry IC title.
Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler- I want them to both turn together. They would be the manager of the group.
CM Punk- The leader, the champ, he would of course have a co leader in John Cena because I don't think Punk can carry a stable by himself.
Heath Slater- As the US Champion, I always wanted Slater to turn face I think people would start to love him as much as I do and lets just say when I watch Raw I look forward to his segment the most.
Michael McGillicutty and Husky Harris- Again always wanted them to turn face. They'd be the Tag Team.
Zack Ryder- The goofy clown of the group. But could still carry IC title.
Vickie Guerrero and Dolph Ziggler- I want them to both turn together. They would be the manager of the group.
If I was to make a stable id have to make two, with a story,
Manager: HHH: COO of the WWE, power to give his guys all the chances they need to get what they want
Main Event: Cena at the start, as the story as the leader, after punk beats him at SS he can align himself with the rest to get the title, touting help, bringing in Hunter as the man behind it, bumbing up contracts for there services
Next: Dolph, have him break off from Swagger as seems to be going, and win BOTH IC and US belts, after it all pans out, this will seem logical, and he did have the "I won twice n ppv" thing going he will become WWE Champ and leader in due time,
Team: TDB Jr - and Hennig, i liked there dads, that is all
Diva: AJ, swerve, needed for Cena to win the belt,
This team would be Face, then after they beat down Punk DB comes out and makes the save, with cena just standing there, he gets in cenas face and asks why, Punk takes time off, maybe have him and DB get laid out the next week and punk get hurt, leading to DB looking for some help, as he states that he has a suprise, group 1 attack and thengroup 1 turns on cena for his remorse, taking him off TV for a few weeks, turning to the formation off
Manager: HBK, his buddy hunter and him played the political game, and now he's seen the light, he wants to stop it, and let the best strive
Main Event DB he's top tweener, and i wanna see hbk tune up the band with DB finger pointing and yes ringing trew the arena,
Next CM Punk, after a bragging rights victory and a suprise entrace to team HBK punk returns, winning the match and a shot at any belt he wants
Team: USOs i like the dance!!
Alliance, Cena, he's the trump, cus hunter is COO, he trys to face hunter, in turn helping group 2, fussing with the likes off Orton n others whilst trying to get to hunter, no need for everyone to get in the group but have them get a slice of the cake, maybe the bounty n the head story for him, to distance him,
So, to the holes in the story,
Ziggler beats cena with the help of group 1s team, who lost the tag belts to the usos earler that night, on raw, Ziggles as the WWE, US, IC belt handing them down to the team as reward the next night on raw, when DB eventuly wins the WWE belt by this time punks got his shot, WHC CM Punk, they are forced to merge by HHH in a match consisting of DB v Punk v Ziggler v Cena having Punk turn, then get AA'd then let Ziggler zigzag his way to being the first "new?" unified WWEWHW belt, have punk n db fued for the next shot, after cena, "he gets pinned, and he's cena"
Maybe a bad idea, sounded good n my head
Manager: HHH: COO of the WWE, power to give his guys all the chances they need to get what they want
Main Event: Cena at the start, as the story as the leader, after punk beats him at SS he can align himself with the rest to get the title, touting help, bringing in Hunter as the man behind it, bumbing up contracts for there services
Next: Dolph, have him break off from Swagger as seems to be going, and win BOTH IC and US belts, after it all pans out, this will seem logical, and he did have the "I won twice n ppv" thing going he will become WWE Champ and leader in due time,
Team: TDB Jr - and Hennig, i liked there dads, that is all
Diva: AJ, swerve, needed for Cena to win the belt,
This team would be Face, then after they beat down Punk DB comes out and makes the save, with cena just standing there, he gets in cenas face and asks why, Punk takes time off, maybe have him and DB get laid out the next week and punk get hurt, leading to DB looking for some help, as he states that he has a suprise, group 1 attack and thengroup 1 turns on cena for his remorse, taking him off TV for a few weeks, turning to the formation off
Manager: HBK, his buddy hunter and him played the political game, and now he's seen the light, he wants to stop it, and let the best strive
Main Event DB he's top tweener, and i wanna see hbk tune up the band with DB finger pointing and yes ringing trew the arena,
Next CM Punk, after a bragging rights victory and a suprise entrace to team HBK punk returns, winning the match and a shot at any belt he wants
Team: USOs i like the dance!!
Alliance, Cena, he's the trump, cus hunter is COO, he trys to face hunter, in turn helping group 2, fussing with the likes off Orton n others whilst trying to get to hunter, no need for everyone to get in the group but have them get a slice of the cake, maybe the bounty n the head story for him, to distance him,
So, to the holes in the story,
Ziggler beats cena with the help of group 1s team, who lost the tag belts to the usos earler that night, on raw, Ziggles as the WWE, US, IC belt handing them down to the team as reward the next night on raw, when DB eventuly wins the WWE belt by this time punks got his shot, WHC CM Punk, they are forced to merge by HHH in a match consisting of DB v Punk v Ziggler v Cena having Punk turn, then get AA'd then let Ziggler zigzag his way to being the first "new?" unified WWEWHW belt, have punk n db fued for the next shot, after cena, "he gets pinned, and he's cena"
Maybe a bad idea, sounded good n my head
Radio GaGa
Occasional Pre-Show
This next stable would work better when Dolph was still USA champ and Cody was the IC champ, but it could happen again. I made this stable in my WWE 12 and loved the story with it: Let's imagine they get 'degraded' beck to the midcard titles. Let's imagine their counterparts getting them. I'll explain the concept. It's called
THE MIDCARD COALITION
The concept is of two - United states and Intercontinental champions being tired of not getting the respect they deserve. So let's look at them two.
Former A - The USA champion The USA Championship is nowadays looked as the least prestigious of all the singles titles. We could have The Miz, returning from The Marine 3, humiliate Santino for the USA championship, but that being it. He'd appear on TV just like he did before he left. In a sort - Creative has nothing for me, I'm not booked in a match, Why do I have promote subway sandwiches? Possible links that come to mind:
The Miz, Alberto Del Rio (After being degraded, because they realise he's just not charismatic enough), Heel Alex Riley, Dean Ambrose, Michael Mc.Cuddy
Former B - The IC champion The IC championship has a bit more *shazaam* to it. It speaks louder and it's a bigger deal to beat Christian. If the USA champion would be ANY of the above - excluding Del Rio - I'd love to see a foreign man hold the championship in the stable. A Drew McIntyre would work awesomely. I don't see Barrett, because he'd rise too quickly above the midcards. Let's work on the example of Drew McIntyre. He is build to be a a Jobber right now, so he should start by beating someone like a Justin Gabriel, with his aggression ending in a Intercontinental championship match, that he loses. He beats somebody up backstage, furious of his loss. He gets the rematch and loses again to christian. The smackdown after, he asks for a rematch, but is denied. He keeps winning and 2 Smackdowns before the next PPV he asks for a match. If he loses, he quits WWE. The GM says no, but Christian accepts, as their rivalry has become pretty heated. Drew wins.
People 'fitting for the job':
Drew McIntyre, Tyson Kidd(if they go the heel route with him again),Kassius Ohno, or any of the above
The Formation
The USA champ (I'm just gonna refer to him as Miz from now on) has been champ for a while now, keeping his wins constant but not getting enough TV time in his mind. Especially furious that he's not in 'the prime hour' of the now 3 hour RAW. He meets with McIntyre (now reffering to the IC champ as McIntyre) backstage, talking him into all of it. McIntyre is not very found of The Miz at first, but they agree to a 'Buisness Plan'. They are not seen of for the next 3 weeks, only in backstage skits, conversating, signing contracts etc. There, we see the 3rd member for the first time:
The Legal/Buisness advisor
Now, at First, I was thinking more of the lines of a Scott Standford/Paul Heyman type of guy, but I guess David Otunga would work well too, given his gimmick and real life education. Or, you know, just hire an old guy with a good mouth. He wouldn't generally be the mouthpiece of the coalition, as that work would be done well by The Miz, but he would always open for them, introduce them to the ring, and handle things with the authorities and get his members out of trouble.
David Otunga, Scott Stanford, Paul Heyman or any other man in his 40s, with a great voice and a look of authority.
On the RAW three weeks after the backstage deal, they come out (ofcourse, there were vignettes and clips of them on the past raws), with Otunga introducing them. They come out, moan about how they're being underused, and why don't their titles matter anymore? The USA title and the IC title are in no reason worth less then the WWE and WHC title. Out comes the WWE champion or the WHC champion - one of the two. The reason for only one is that one may be a Heel and/or is(should) be out with and injury. The champ says that it's not that his championship is more prestige than their, it's the title holder that is simply better. They are furious in the ring. The GM comes out, announces the main event, Miz and McIntyre vs Cena (I just picture him in that role the most, no reason why it couldn't be Punk, though) and an opponent of Cena's choosing. He chooses Christian just to piss McIntyre off. They beat them up and humiliate them. Totally. They spit on the WWE championship.
Now Miz and McIntyre were never meant to be the Tag Team. Soon, they get called up by the #1 contenders for the Tag Titles, that are being held by faces (Let's say Truth and Kofi), but our competitors have to be somebody fresh. I ain't getting into that because I don't know all of the young guys. Basically, it's
THE TAG TEAM
They're the #1 contenders, they need their help and they beat up the champs together. The GM sets up a fatal 4 way tag team match for the vacated titles and they win with the help of Drew and Miz
The good thing about this stable is that basically any heel from Jobbers to Upper Midcard (The current position of Ziggler) or even the Main Eventers can be either Pro or against them. They can work as a 'hitman' agency, taking out anybody if somebody wants them to do it - for a price. They get involved in matches, etc.
In time, someone loses the USA or IC title, so they just go by the name Coalition.
THE MIDCARD COALITION
The concept is of two - United states and Intercontinental champions being tired of not getting the respect they deserve. So let's look at them two.
Former A - The USA champion The USA Championship is nowadays looked as the least prestigious of all the singles titles. We could have The Miz, returning from The Marine 3, humiliate Santino for the USA championship, but that being it. He'd appear on TV just like he did before he left. In a sort - Creative has nothing for me, I'm not booked in a match, Why do I have promote subway sandwiches? Possible links that come to mind:
The Miz, Alberto Del Rio (After being degraded, because they realise he's just not charismatic enough), Heel Alex Riley, Dean Ambrose, Michael Mc.Cuddy
Former B - The IC champion The IC championship has a bit more *shazaam* to it. It speaks louder and it's a bigger deal to beat Christian. If the USA champion would be ANY of the above - excluding Del Rio - I'd love to see a foreign man hold the championship in the stable. A Drew McIntyre would work awesomely. I don't see Barrett, because he'd rise too quickly above the midcards. Let's work on the example of Drew McIntyre. He is build to be a a Jobber right now, so he should start by beating someone like a Justin Gabriel, with his aggression ending in a Intercontinental championship match, that he loses. He beats somebody up backstage, furious of his loss. He gets the rematch and loses again to christian. The smackdown after, he asks for a rematch, but is denied. He keeps winning and 2 Smackdowns before the next PPV he asks for a match. If he loses, he quits WWE. The GM says no, but Christian accepts, as their rivalry has become pretty heated. Drew wins.
People 'fitting for the job':
Drew McIntyre, Tyson Kidd(if they go the heel route with him again),Kassius Ohno, or any of the above
The Formation
The USA champ (I'm just gonna refer to him as Miz from now on) has been champ for a while now, keeping his wins constant but not getting enough TV time in his mind. Especially furious that he's not in 'the prime hour' of the now 3 hour RAW. He meets with McIntyre (now reffering to the IC champ as McIntyre) backstage, talking him into all of it. McIntyre is not very found of The Miz at first, but they agree to a 'Buisness Plan'. They are not seen of for the next 3 weeks, only in backstage skits, conversating, signing contracts etc. There, we see the 3rd member for the first time:
The Legal/Buisness advisor
Now, at First, I was thinking more of the lines of a Scott Standford/Paul Heyman type of guy, but I guess David Otunga would work well too, given his gimmick and real life education. Or, you know, just hire an old guy with a good mouth. He wouldn't generally be the mouthpiece of the coalition, as that work would be done well by The Miz, but he would always open for them, introduce them to the ring, and handle things with the authorities and get his members out of trouble.
David Otunga, Scott Stanford, Paul Heyman or any other man in his 40s, with a great voice and a look of authority.
On the RAW three weeks after the backstage deal, they come out (ofcourse, there were vignettes and clips of them on the past raws), with Otunga introducing them. They come out, moan about how they're being underused, and why don't their titles matter anymore? The USA title and the IC title are in no reason worth less then the WWE and WHC title. Out comes the WWE champion or the WHC champion - one of the two. The reason for only one is that one may be a Heel and/or is(should) be out with and injury. The champ says that it's not that his championship is more prestige than their, it's the title holder that is simply better. They are furious in the ring. The GM comes out, announces the main event, Miz and McIntyre vs Cena (I just picture him in that role the most, no reason why it couldn't be Punk, though) and an opponent of Cena's choosing. He chooses Christian just to piss McIntyre off. They beat them up and humiliate them. Totally. They spit on the WWE championship.
Now Miz and McIntyre were never meant to be the Tag Team. Soon, they get called up by the #1 contenders for the Tag Titles, that are being held by faces (Let's say Truth and Kofi), but our competitors have to be somebody fresh. I ain't getting into that because I don't know all of the young guys. Basically, it's
THE TAG TEAM
They're the #1 contenders, they need their help and they beat up the champs together. The GM sets up a fatal 4 way tag team match for the vacated titles and they win with the help of Drew and Miz
The good thing about this stable is that basically any heel from Jobbers to Upper Midcard (The current position of Ziggler) or even the Main Eventers can be either Pro or against them. They can work as a 'hitman' agency, taking out anybody if somebody wants them to do it - for a price. They get involved in matches, etc.
In time, someone loses the USA or IC title, so they just go by the name Coalition.
theBec2101
Championship Contender
4 Horsemen 2.0
Ziggler-leader/Flair-superstar is the future of WWE
Swagger-Enforcer/Arn-big tough and can out wrestle just about anybody
Cody Rhodes-/Tully-also can wrestle, really has came into his own recently
Ric Flair- manger/JJ Dillon-why not was the leader would be great
Money Inc 2.0
Ted Dibiese -just like his father, would also give him a great push
David Otunga- like the IRS, lawyers too are hated just by their profession
Ricardo- sold out to Ted, why? Because everyone has a price
The Cartels
Alberto- he needs something different this JBL shit isnt going anywhere
Comocho-why not, they can be Alberto's enforcers.
Hunico-also they are not using him properly, Another Enforcer.
Revolution
CM Punk -Leader/HHH
Mason -Enforcer/Batista
Tyson Kidd -talent/Orton
?-Dont know who I would put here. Maybe Flair or Orton or leave empty.
I didnt use and NXT or FCW wrestlers. I would of, but wasnt sure of I could
Ziggler-leader/Flair-superstar is the future of WWE
Swagger-Enforcer/Arn-big tough and can out wrestle just about anybody
Cody Rhodes-/Tully-also can wrestle, really has came into his own recently
Ric Flair- manger/JJ Dillon-why not was the leader would be great
Money Inc 2.0
Ted Dibiese -just like his father, would also give him a great push
David Otunga- like the IRS, lawyers too are hated just by their profession
Ricardo- sold out to Ted, why? Because everyone has a price
The Cartels
Alberto- he needs something different this JBL shit isnt going anywhere
Comocho-why not, they can be Alberto's enforcers.
Hunico-also they are not using him properly, Another Enforcer.
Revolution
CM Punk -Leader/HHH
Mason -Enforcer/Batista
Tyson Kidd -talent/Orton
?-Dont know who I would put here. Maybe Flair or Orton or leave empty.
I didnt use and NXT or FCW wrestlers. I would of, but wasnt sure of I could
The Fabulous Rougeau's
Championship Contender
I have been thinking the same thing so I got to give you major props. I want to include Sheamus in the group and I realize Ireland is not part of the UK, but you can bill him from Northern Ireland, or do something where he sympathizes with this group, or starts becoming anti-american or Barrett either tricks him into joining or blackmails him.
Anyway I would have the group called the UK. The group would consist of Barrett, Sheamus, McIntyre, Ryan, Layla and Regal. Regal and Layla would serve as the managers with Layla also competing. At the pinnacle of the groups power, Barrett and Sheamus would hold the world titles, McIntyre and Ryan would hold the IC, US and tag titles, and Layla would hold the Divas title. As for the groups breakup, you can either have Layla be at the center of it and have the guys fighting for her attention and affection leading to the buildup, or you have Barrett and Sheamus start a slight fued over who the leader is and it progresses into a major split with the group in two. Either way I could see this faction lasting for up to 2 years. If it were to be a shorter timeframe, you could have Sheamus enter because he is blackmailed by Barrett and then months later he finds a way out.
DDelaware2009
Occasional Pre-Show
How about The Miz turns face and re-joins with A-Ry and they add Zack Ryder and form some sort of "frathouse" stable?
Could be face or heel, really, but I'll say face because Riley and Ryder both currently are face and I think Miz needs to re-invent himself by turning and settling in the midcard, and essentially starting over.
Miz would be competing for the IC or US championship (Ideally US champ on Smack Down, IMO) and Riley and Ryder could be in the tag team division. I feel like a Miz-Sandow mid-card feud would be natural.
Might turn out to be crap but then again the younger WWE crowd might take to it. Better than doing nothing with these three, right? Can't hurt to try it.
Could be face or heel, really, but I'll say face because Riley and Ryder both currently are face and I think Miz needs to re-invent himself by turning and settling in the midcard, and essentially starting over.
Miz would be competing for the IC or US championship (Ideally US champ on Smack Down, IMO) and Riley and Ryder could be in the tag team division. I feel like a Miz-Sandow mid-card feud would be natural.
Might turn out to be crap but then again the younger WWE crowd might take to it. Better than doing nothing with these three, right? Can't hurt to try it.
MrAmazing79
Mr. Amazing
I would make the "United Kingdom" stable from WWE '12 but with a few changes:
Leader: Sheamus
Give him the role of Triple H, the major WWE Champion and the leader of the group. Have his stablemates help him cheat against anybody and elevate him as the top heel in the WWE.
Right Hand Man: Wade Barrett
The role of another Triple H or a Ric Flair. Make him the other leader, the World Heavyweight Champion. He should get some more mic time than Sheamus and make himself the brains of the stable. Why not make him win the King of the Ring tournament, too?
Manager: William Regal
Give him the role of Ric Flair. The cheating manager who is always on Barrett or Sheamus' tails. Make him the U.S. Champion or European champion if possible. He should get some pretty great heat and a last great heel run.
Powerhouse: Mason Ryan
The Batista of the group. Quiet but powerful. He should be one-half of the Tag Team Champions with McIntyre and winning squash matches on his own week after week. He should be the least cheating one of the group when on his own.
Arrogant: Drew McIntyre
A modern day Randy Orton. Give him some more aggressive moves and a brand new attitude. Still with the same "Chosen One" attitude and with a mix of Legend Killer attitude. Make him hold the Tag Team Titles with Ryan or the IC championship (if Ryan doesn't win it).
Valet: Layla
A valet who is also Regal's girlfriend. This would be great for her and her character as she has become VERY stale. Make her hold the Divas title and dominate the division.
They could even begin at a King of the Ring tournament if there is one this year with every face turning heel. The reign of terror could begin at TLC and have anybody win the RR Match. At WrestleMania, have them win every championship in the company and ending in a year, they could break up in great fashion, keeping everyone relevant.
Leader: Sheamus
Give him the role of Triple H, the major WWE Champion and the leader of the group. Have his stablemates help him cheat against anybody and elevate him as the top heel in the WWE.
Right Hand Man: Wade Barrett
The role of another Triple H or a Ric Flair. Make him the other leader, the World Heavyweight Champion. He should get some more mic time than Sheamus and make himself the brains of the stable. Why not make him win the King of the Ring tournament, too?
Manager: William Regal
Give him the role of Ric Flair. The cheating manager who is always on Barrett or Sheamus' tails. Make him the U.S. Champion or European champion if possible. He should get some pretty great heat and a last great heel run.
Powerhouse: Mason Ryan
The Batista of the group. Quiet but powerful. He should be one-half of the Tag Team Champions with McIntyre and winning squash matches on his own week after week. He should be the least cheating one of the group when on his own.
Arrogant: Drew McIntyre
A modern day Randy Orton. Give him some more aggressive moves and a brand new attitude. Still with the same "Chosen One" attitude and with a mix of Legend Killer attitude. Make him hold the Tag Team Titles with Ryan or the IC championship (if Ryan doesn't win it).
Valet: Layla
A valet who is also Regal's girlfriend. This would be great for her and her character as she has become VERY stale. Make her hold the Divas title and dominate the division.
They could even begin at a King of the Ring tournament if there is one this year with every face turning heel. The reign of terror could begin at TLC and have anybody win the RR Match. At WrestleMania, have them win every championship in the company and ending in a year, they could break up in great fashion, keeping everyone relevant.
Doctor Awesome
Pre-Show Stalwart
I do look forward to the predictable cycle of trends in wrestling staying true and the return of stables. It's a great way to get more talent TV time and if they can learn from mistakes of the past and not have too many irrelevant ones, it can make for great tv w/so much good talent on the rise. Mine is based on the thought that you can keep Paul Heyman around (highly unlikely) as he could lead a team of rising stars backing one of the current top stars in CM Punk. The idea being that this team could be heel/face and easily switch no problem. With it you would have guys who are in position to be elevated because of their time together and the inevitable implosion can take their singles careers to new heights. The proof is in the pudding, the mark of any good stable from the past has done just that. Here's mine...
Faction name- The Uprising
Manager- Paul Heyman
de facto leader- CM Punk
rising star/midcard contender- Dean Ambrose
enforcer- Ryback
tag team- Kings Of Wrestling (Caesaro/Ohno)
Diva- Sara Del Rey
-I would prefer to see them start out as a heel faction, perhaps Punk get frustrated about not being able to win back a WC after dropping it, enlisting the services of one Paul Heyman as his hype man/agent. From there, they recruit these stars one-by-one as clients of Heyman, put in place to take over the company and get/keep the gold around Punk's waist (a la Horsemen/Evolution) w/the other talent then collecting the rest of the gold in the company. Punk would be the WHC or WWEC
-I know many people want to see Dean Ambrose come right in and wreck shop...let's be serious, it's the worst thing that could happen for him. A rise much like Randy Orton would be the best for him, as he would be the first to want to break away from the shadow of CM Punk (think Orton/HHH) and rise above the mid card titles. Those two could have a phenomenal rivaly, just build up some history w/them first. IC Title-he is built for a good reign w/it and would raise it's prestige.
-The enforcer role could go to many guys and I initially thought of Bray Wyatt but if he gets called up and keeps this interesting character being developed in tact, he could likely have his own stable of followers assembled. As we know, when you get one stable there is almost always 2-3 to follow. I chose Ryback as he would bring a level of intensity that few could and is more like Batista than AA as an enforcer, where he does his talking in the ring-whipping asses and ruining people's lives! lol He is actually alright on the mic but w/talkers like Heyman, Punk, Ambrose and Hero you don't need him to be the next AA. US Title (if it's still around)
-Yes, I want the KOW, even if it's just short term (1-2 years). They will get their time to shine as individuals but the large WWE audience should get a bit of the brilliance that is these two together. They could own the tag titles and are the perfect guys to elevate teams chasing them that actually get to beat them for the belts.
Sara Del Rey- Yes, she is only rumored to be signed but it seems all but likely. With her experience with the majority of the guys in the faction and having already been manager of the KOW, she would be a great fit. She could trade off the Divas title w/many different people during her tenure in the group.
One thing about this group is they are all legit! They may have trouble keeping heel status, that's where Heyman would be imperative. Let them go through the motions of heel to tweener to most over faction in the company before you let personal agendas take guys in their individual directions. They are all legit contenders to be big stars, Punk is the perfect guy for them to work to get to the next level and Heyman is the perfect mouthpiece. If this happened I would freaking love it!
Faction name- The Uprising
Manager- Paul Heyman
de facto leader- CM Punk
rising star/midcard contender- Dean Ambrose
enforcer- Ryback
tag team- Kings Of Wrestling (Caesaro/Ohno)
Diva- Sara Del Rey
-I would prefer to see them start out as a heel faction, perhaps Punk get frustrated about not being able to win back a WC after dropping it, enlisting the services of one Paul Heyman as his hype man/agent. From there, they recruit these stars one-by-one as clients of Heyman, put in place to take over the company and get/keep the gold around Punk's waist (a la Horsemen/Evolution) w/the other talent then collecting the rest of the gold in the company. Punk would be the WHC or WWEC
-I know many people want to see Dean Ambrose come right in and wreck shop...let's be serious, it's the worst thing that could happen for him. A rise much like Randy Orton would be the best for him, as he would be the first to want to break away from the shadow of CM Punk (think Orton/HHH) and rise above the mid card titles. Those two could have a phenomenal rivaly, just build up some history w/them first. IC Title-he is built for a good reign w/it and would raise it's prestige.
-The enforcer role could go to many guys and I initially thought of Bray Wyatt but if he gets called up and keeps this interesting character being developed in tact, he could likely have his own stable of followers assembled. As we know, when you get one stable there is almost always 2-3 to follow. I chose Ryback as he would bring a level of intensity that few could and is more like Batista than AA as an enforcer, where he does his talking in the ring-whipping asses and ruining people's lives! lol He is actually alright on the mic but w/talkers like Heyman, Punk, Ambrose and Hero you don't need him to be the next AA. US Title (if it's still around)
-Yes, I want the KOW, even if it's just short term (1-2 years). They will get their time to shine as individuals but the large WWE audience should get a bit of the brilliance that is these two together. They could own the tag titles and are the perfect guys to elevate teams chasing them that actually get to beat them for the belts.
Sara Del Rey- Yes, she is only rumored to be signed but it seems all but likely. With her experience with the majority of the guys in the faction and having already been manager of the KOW, she would be a great fit. She could trade off the Divas title w/many different people during her tenure in the group.
One thing about this group is they are all legit! They may have trouble keeping heel status, that's where Heyman would be imperative. Let them go through the motions of heel to tweener to most over faction in the company before you let personal agendas take guys in their individual directions. They are all legit contenders to be big stars, Punk is the perfect guy for them to work to get to the next level and Heyman is the perfect mouthpiece. If this happened I would freaking love it!
Resurrección
This stable will consist of superstars who've had a "fall from grace", or those who've fallen into jobber status. They could start as a heel stable, but I would rather see them as a face stable. They would be inspired by a superstar or authority figure and become sort of like an Awesome Truth meets Nexus kind of stable.
Leader: Hunico
I'm a big fan of Hunico, and I feel that the stable could center around him, hence the Spanish translation of the stable name. He has tons of charisma, and on the mic he can definitely draw some hellish heat if he had momentum. He could be the one contending for the WWE title with the help of the lesser stable members, and can be the guiding force behind their success.
Upper Midcarder/Second in Command: Drew McIntyre
Drew could definitely fit into this stable, as he's had the biggest fall from grace I've seen in a while. He could also adopt a CM Punk-ish way of breaking the 4th wall in his promos, by saying that Tiffany's incident hindered him or could make up some backstage dealings by saying that HHH didn't see the $ in him like Vince, so he canned him once he took over as COO. He could be the upper midcarder and can occasionally challenge for the world title. I'd have him even pick up the WHC once the stable picks up steam. He could even usurp the group and go Rock vs. Farooq against Hunico, or break apart like Randy vs. Evolution
Upper Midcarder/Enforcer: Ezekiel Jackson
Zeke, has had one of the biggest fall offs in the group sans Drew, so I think he'd fit in perfectly with this stable. I'd have him use the same "silent killer" kind of gimmick he did with the Corre. He would be the group's main enforcer, like the Batista of their Evolution.
Tag Team: Uso's
The Uso's have been in the same spot since they debuted, and their frustration could lead them to this stable. Their gimmick doesn't have to change at all, even. They could finally pick up the tag titles through the stable, and could be the main "helpers" for Hunico's schemings.
Midcarder/Underdog: JTG
The stable could also use an 'underdog of the underdog's' of sorts, and JTG, being the smallest of the superstars so far, could fit that mold. He'd be perfect to hold the US title, and could be like the loudmouthed, little guy scrapper who can hold his own, but still has to hide behind the big dogs. He could also be the one to break apart and turn face/heel with or instead of Drew.
Diva: Kaitlin
Kaitlin has moved on to virtually nothing since winning NXT, so this could be her redemption of sorts. She could maybe win or stay chasing the butterfly belt and be one of Hunico's main henchmen in matches alongside the Uso's.
Jobber: Camacho
Camacho could stay based on his relationship w/ Hunico, but he wouldnt do much, really. He could be the guy that takes the loss whenever the team needs to lose to their face opponent or the guy who gets picked on the most when they are faces. He'd be like Johnny's Otunga or a Heath Slater.
Manager (Optional): Vickie Guerrero
I'm still a bit iffy on whether or not to give them a manager since there's already a lot of them, but Vickie could work. She could take credit for them and consider it "her" post-Dolph stable. Even if she is in it, I wouldn't keep her for long though.
This stable will consist of superstars who've had a "fall from grace", or those who've fallen into jobber status. They could start as a heel stable, but I would rather see them as a face stable. They would be inspired by a superstar or authority figure and become sort of like an Awesome Truth meets Nexus kind of stable.
Leader: Hunico
I'm a big fan of Hunico, and I feel that the stable could center around him, hence the Spanish translation of the stable name. He has tons of charisma, and on the mic he can definitely draw some hellish heat if he had momentum. He could be the one contending for the WWE title with the help of the lesser stable members, and can be the guiding force behind their success.
Upper Midcarder/Second in Command: Drew McIntyre
Drew could definitely fit into this stable, as he's had the biggest fall from grace I've seen in a while. He could also adopt a CM Punk-ish way of breaking the 4th wall in his promos, by saying that Tiffany's incident hindered him or could make up some backstage dealings by saying that HHH didn't see the $ in him like Vince, so he canned him once he took over as COO. He could be the upper midcarder and can occasionally challenge for the world title. I'd have him even pick up the WHC once the stable picks up steam. He could even usurp the group and go Rock vs. Farooq against Hunico, or break apart like Randy vs. Evolution
Upper Midcarder/Enforcer: Ezekiel Jackson
Zeke, has had one of the biggest fall offs in the group sans Drew, so I think he'd fit in perfectly with this stable. I'd have him use the same "silent killer" kind of gimmick he did with the Corre. He would be the group's main enforcer, like the Batista of their Evolution.
Tag Team: Uso's
The Uso's have been in the same spot since they debuted, and their frustration could lead them to this stable. Their gimmick doesn't have to change at all, even. They could finally pick up the tag titles through the stable, and could be the main "helpers" for Hunico's schemings.
Midcarder/Underdog: JTG
The stable could also use an 'underdog of the underdog's' of sorts, and JTG, being the smallest of the superstars so far, could fit that mold. He'd be perfect to hold the US title, and could be like the loudmouthed, little guy scrapper who can hold his own, but still has to hide behind the big dogs. He could also be the one to break apart and turn face/heel with or instead of Drew.
Diva: Kaitlin
Kaitlin has moved on to virtually nothing since winning NXT, so this could be her redemption of sorts. She could maybe win or stay chasing the butterfly belt and be one of Hunico's main henchmen in matches alongside the Uso's.
Jobber: Camacho
Camacho could stay based on his relationship w/ Hunico, but he wouldnt do much, really. He could be the guy that takes the loss whenever the team needs to lose to their face opponent or the guy who gets picked on the most when they are faces. He'd be like Johnny's Otunga or a Heath Slater.
Manager (Optional): Vickie Guerrero
I'm still a bit iffy on whether or not to give them a manager since there's already a lot of them, but Vickie could work. She could take credit for them and consider it "her" post-Dolph stable. Even if she is in it, I wouldn't keep her for long though.
OldSkoolFan
Dark Match Jobber
for my Heel Stable it would consist of:
Manager: Vicki Guerrero, she draws the most heat and would continue to draw heat for the men in her stable.
Tag Team: Jack Swagger/Alberto del Rio and Ryback then recycle the name "Power & Glory" because it fits with Swagger's/del Rio's arrogance and Ryback's muscle.
World Title Contender: Dolph Ziggler, the heel everyone loves aka the Ric Flair of the group
Midcard Contender: Cody Rhodes, he's really coming along as a great heel and if he keeps it up probably one of the greatest of the modern era.
The Wildcard: The Miz, the mouthpiece when Vicki is not there, he could also be put in any of the hunt for all 3 categories since he has held those titles.
The Surprise member: Turn Rey Mysterio heel, base it on how the fans turned on him with his suspension or totally forgetting about him while he was injured and blame it all on Sin Cara. I could totally see him coming down to the ring going to do the whole mask thing with a kid then blowing him off.
Manager: Vicki Guerrero, she draws the most heat and would continue to draw heat for the men in her stable.
Tag Team: Jack Swagger/Alberto del Rio and Ryback then recycle the name "Power & Glory" because it fits with Swagger's/del Rio's arrogance and Ryback's muscle.
World Title Contender: Dolph Ziggler, the heel everyone loves aka the Ric Flair of the group
Midcard Contender: Cody Rhodes, he's really coming along as a great heel and if he keeps it up probably one of the greatest of the modern era.
The Wildcard: The Miz, the mouthpiece when Vicki is not there, he could also be put in any of the hunt for all 3 categories since he has held those titles.
The Surprise member: Turn Rey Mysterio heel, base it on how the fans turned on him with his suspension or totally forgetting about him while he was injured and blame it all on Sin Cara. I could totally see him coming down to the ring going to do the whole mask thing with a kid then blowing him off.
Stables basically always have to be intending to be heel or else they don't work. What fun is a face stable? A bunch of guys who are friends but always try to play by the rules? No.
Heel stables are the way to go. Obviously, though, if they are good enough people still like them (i.e. NWO, Evolution, etc.)
For me I think a great stable would be involving some of the newer (and 'older') Mexican/Hispanic wrestlers in WWE.
Name: The Hispanic Express
Members:
- Hunico - He would be the leader of the group. A tough guy from the barrio. He would use his bond with Camacho to get many heelish wins and work his way up the in company. He could start by winning the IC title.
- Camacho - He would be Hunico's right hand man. Much like he is now. Plays the part of the manager or tag partner, where needed. He can do the role of Alex Riley when he was with The Miz... the guy who goes up against the top face contender, that gets beat but can at least put up a fight and/or help Hunico beat down the face after he gets a win just to make sure he doesn't get too confident!
- Epico & Primo - Right now I know these guys are basically becoming faces but that is good, it would make it better for turning back to heel. They should win the Tag Titles as faces and then go up against a real face tag team, at first, pretending to want to put on a fun, fair match but then get real aggressive, even get DQ'd to start their heel run and show they are aligned with Hunico & Camacho.
and maybe,
- Alberto Del Rio - He may seem like an obvious choice, even leader, for this type of stable but his ring attire annoys me so much (looks like he is wearing a diaper) that I would only consider having him in a stable if he at least wore long tights or something less ridiculous looking. And if he did then he would make an alright addition.
Heel stables are the way to go. Obviously, though, if they are good enough people still like them (i.e. NWO, Evolution, etc.)
For me I think a great stable would be involving some of the newer (and 'older') Mexican/Hispanic wrestlers in WWE.
Name: The Hispanic Express
Members:
- Hunico - He would be the leader of the group. A tough guy from the barrio. He would use his bond with Camacho to get many heelish wins and work his way up the in company. He could start by winning the IC title.
- Camacho - He would be Hunico's right hand man. Much like he is now. Plays the part of the manager or tag partner, where needed. He can do the role of Alex Riley when he was with The Miz... the guy who goes up against the top face contender, that gets beat but can at least put up a fight and/or help Hunico beat down the face after he gets a win just to make sure he doesn't get too confident!
- Epico & Primo - Right now I know these guys are basically becoming faces but that is good, it would make it better for turning back to heel. They should win the Tag Titles as faces and then go up against a real face tag team, at first, pretending to want to put on a fun, fair match but then get real aggressive, even get DQ'd to start their heel run and show they are aligned with Hunico & Camacho.
and maybe,
- Alberto Del Rio - He may seem like an obvious choice, even leader, for this type of stable but his ring attire annoys me so much (looks like he is wearing a diaper) that I would only consider having him in a stable if he at least wore long tights or something less ridiculous looking. And if he did then he would make an alright addition.
Doctor Awesome
Pre-Show Stalwart
Kizzani started a 'Create-a-stable' thread and the first thing that came to my mind was laid into a post immediately. I didn't think it through greatly, it just organically flowed and made sense to me on several points; 1)What is a stable's primary function 2)What direction is the company going in and 3)How to freshen up/improve a character and 4)Create as many matchups as possible that showcase and develop as much of the roster as you can. One person responded to me saying "basically the greatest idea ever" and not to toot my own horn but if this happened would be a hybrid of the most successful stables of the past while maintaining the pulse of where the company/industry is headed as far as WWE pulling the best indy wrestlers in. Obviously this is not in the works but half of what's in these hypothetical posts aren't, so just have some fun with it is all I ask. This would be hinged largely on one man sticking around and creating a second revolution. Taking the best of The Horsemen, DX and Evolution's successes and elevate every member to new heights. Here's the tale of the tape:
Based on the thought that you can keep Paul Heyman around (highly unlikely but important to achieve and maintain heel status early on) as he could lead a team of rising stars backing one of the current top stars in CM Punk, who in a few/several months time could use a little freshining up of his character. Never to be one who has abandoned his indy roots, who better to align yourself with than those who worked their way up just like you and got to the WWE on their merits. With it you would have guys who are in position to be elevated because of their time together and the inevitable implosion can take their singles careers to new heights.
Faction name- The Uprising
Manager- Paul Heyman
de facto leader- CM Punk
rising star/midcard contender- Dean Ambrose
enforcer- Ryback
tag team- Kings Of Wrestling (Caesaro/Ohno)
Diva- Sara Del Rey
-I would prefer to see them start out as a heel faction, perhaps Punk get frustrated about not being able to win back a WC after dropping it, enlisting the services of one Paul Heyman as his hype man/agent. From there, they recruit these stars one-by-one as clients of Heyman, put in place to take over the company and get/keep the gold around Punk's waist (a la Horsemen/Evolution) w/the other talent then collecting the rest of the gold in the company. Punk would be the WHC or WWEC
-A rise much like Randy Orton's makes a lot of sense for Ambrose, as he would be the first to want to break away from the shadow of CM Punk (think Orton/HHH) and rise above the mid card titles. Those two could have a phenomenal rivaly, just build up some history w/them first. IC Title-he is built for a good reign w/it and would raise it's prestige.
-The enforcer role could go to many guys and I initially thought of Bray Wyatt but if he gets called up and keeps this interesting character being developed in tact, he could likely have his own stable of followers assembled. As we know, when you get one stable there is almost always 2-3 to follow. I chose Ryback as he would bring a level of intensity that few could and is more like Batista than AA as an enforcer. He may not be an indie darling like the rest but the current ideology behind his character will get old. He is actually alright on the mic but w/talkers like Heyman, Punk, Ambrose and Hero you don't need him to be the next AA. US Title (if it's still around)
-Yes, I want the Kings Of Wrestling badly, even if it's just short term (1-2 years). They will get their time to shine as individuals but the large WWE audience should get a bit of the brilliance that is these two when they are together. Even with all of these tag teams popping up there is very little emphasis on the division. They could own the tag titles and are the perfect guys to elevate teams chasing them that actually get to beat them for the belts. They are definitely best wearing the gold, not chasing.
Sara Del Rey- At this point I believe she is only rumored to be signed but it seems all but likely. With her experience with the majority of the guys in the faction and having already been manager of the KOW, she would be a great fit. She could trade off the Divas title w/many different people during her tenure in the group.
One thing about this group is they are all legit! They may have trouble keeping heel status, that's where Heyman would be imperative. Let them go through the motions of heel to tweener to most over faction in the company, as this group could easily spawn the next generation of stables before you let personal agendas take guys in their individual directions. They are all sure fire contenders to be big stars and Punk is the perfect guy for them to work to get to the next level, with Heyman as the perfect mouthpiece. If this happened I would freaking love it!
Please, tell me your thoughts on how you think this faction would be received or improvements at any particular position within the group (though I wouldn't change a single person) and some possible stables to counter their quest for dominance. I have several ideas on that but will wait to see what others have to say, as this is mega long already. Fire away...
Based on the thought that you can keep Paul Heyman around (highly unlikely but important to achieve and maintain heel status early on) as he could lead a team of rising stars backing one of the current top stars in CM Punk, who in a few/several months time could use a little freshining up of his character. Never to be one who has abandoned his indy roots, who better to align yourself with than those who worked their way up just like you and got to the WWE on their merits. With it you would have guys who are in position to be elevated because of their time together and the inevitable implosion can take their singles careers to new heights.
Faction name- The Uprising
Manager- Paul Heyman
de facto leader- CM Punk
rising star/midcard contender- Dean Ambrose
enforcer- Ryback
tag team- Kings Of Wrestling (Caesaro/Ohno)
Diva- Sara Del Rey
-I would prefer to see them start out as a heel faction, perhaps Punk get frustrated about not being able to win back a WC after dropping it, enlisting the services of one Paul Heyman as his hype man/agent. From there, they recruit these stars one-by-one as clients of Heyman, put in place to take over the company and get/keep the gold around Punk's waist (a la Horsemen/Evolution) w/the other talent then collecting the rest of the gold in the company. Punk would be the WHC or WWEC
-A rise much like Randy Orton's makes a lot of sense for Ambrose, as he would be the first to want to break away from the shadow of CM Punk (think Orton/HHH) and rise above the mid card titles. Those two could have a phenomenal rivaly, just build up some history w/them first. IC Title-he is built for a good reign w/it and would raise it's prestige.
-The enforcer role could go to many guys and I initially thought of Bray Wyatt but if he gets called up and keeps this interesting character being developed in tact, he could likely have his own stable of followers assembled. As we know, when you get one stable there is almost always 2-3 to follow. I chose Ryback as he would bring a level of intensity that few could and is more like Batista than AA as an enforcer. He may not be an indie darling like the rest but the current ideology behind his character will get old. He is actually alright on the mic but w/talkers like Heyman, Punk, Ambrose and Hero you don't need him to be the next AA. US Title (if it's still around)
-Yes, I want the Kings Of Wrestling badly, even if it's just short term (1-2 years). They will get their time to shine as individuals but the large WWE audience should get a bit of the brilliance that is these two when they are together. Even with all of these tag teams popping up there is very little emphasis on the division. They could own the tag titles and are the perfect guys to elevate teams chasing them that actually get to beat them for the belts. They are definitely best wearing the gold, not chasing.
Sara Del Rey- At this point I believe she is only rumored to be signed but it seems all but likely. With her experience with the majority of the guys in the faction and having already been manager of the KOW, she would be a great fit. She could trade off the Divas title w/many different people during her tenure in the group.
One thing about this group is they are all legit! They may have trouble keeping heel status, that's where Heyman would be imperative. Let them go through the motions of heel to tweener to most over faction in the company, as this group could easily spawn the next generation of stables before you let personal agendas take guys in their individual directions. They are all sure fire contenders to be big stars and Punk is the perfect guy for them to work to get to the next level, with Heyman as the perfect mouthpiece. If this happened I would freaking love it!
Please, tell me your thoughts on how you think this faction would be received or improvements at any particular position within the group (though I wouldn't change a single person) and some possible stables to counter their quest for dominance. I have several ideas on that but will wait to see what others have to say, as this is mega long already. Fire away...
DamienM855
Dark Match Jobber
Love the idea... except from one bit.
With Ambrose's current character, I can't see him ever being happy working with other people.
But, of course, this could actually work to the stable's advantage.
Rather than Ambrose break away and fued with Punk, why not have him be the reason that Punk breaks away?
With Punk's volatile nature he could easily have a fall out with Paul Heyman, leading to Heyman and Ambrose conspiring to get rid of Punk. After the inevitable Punk face turn and fued with Ambrose, the latter could turn on Heyman for a face turn of his own, or simply to show that he is done working with other people.
After this, Heyman could align himself with either the kings or he could worm his way to offering Ryback a chance to become "the next big thing"?
With Ambrose's current character, I can't see him ever being happy working with other people.
But, of course, this could actually work to the stable's advantage.
Rather than Ambrose break away and fued with Punk, why not have him be the reason that Punk breaks away?
With Punk's volatile nature he could easily have a fall out with Paul Heyman, leading to Heyman and Ambrose conspiring to get rid of Punk. After the inevitable Punk face turn and fued with Ambrose, the latter could turn on Heyman for a face turn of his own, or simply to show that he is done working with other people.
After this, Heyman could align himself with either the kings or he could worm his way to offering Ryback a chance to become "the next big thing"?
Why I think your idea is Mediocre at best. It is a stable. Everyone loves a stable if it is done right.
Now for the bad news.
CM ( as a whole) Mr. Change. This just plays into his bullshit character role. He isn't original by any means and this would make it even more so.
Ring of Honor:
Second City Saints: This was Punks first band of misfits and it turns out none of them other than punk ever made it big.
The Gathering: This was Raven led group but still remains Punk is the only one to make it big.
ECW: The New breed: Another Faction Punk Join lead by the now known as DeAngelo Dinero. Again leaving the rest behind.
WWE
Straight Edge: By now you can see a trend Punk bets with a band of Misfits and trash and tries to help them get over only leading to a wasted attempt.
New Nexus: All failed but punk again leaving Punk alone as the one guy.
CM punk Always does better as a singles guy, his success is based on him as a lone wolf not group it a pack of garbage.
Dean Ambrose: Hasn't even appeared on WWE fully, Their are millions of fan who be say " Who the F is this clown". Not all fans hang out on the dirt sheets getting information. I didn't find the dirt sheets til I was in my late 20's, But have been watching wrestling since I was 7.
Ryberg: Ryberg is boring, a direct rip off of Goldberg with one major exception. The fans of WCW were fully behind Goldberg, and most fans are like 30/70 on Ryback. Punk had a ryberg already his name was mason ryan, and you can see how far that got him.
Kings of Wrestling:Just because some guys had talent wrestling in ROH doesn't mean they can come in and make a major impact. Again you looking through the eyes of a guy on the dirt sheets and not the normal "I like wrestling fan, but not wanting to research the dirt". Their is no promise to have them come in and dominate favorite superstars.
Del Rey Having a girl in the stable is a very nice touch. But alas this is another regurgitated CM punk defunked group idea. Punk has always had a female in all stables and it never worked out for them To bring in yet another mystery girl that lack sex appeal but has the rings skills. Now if she is used as a Diva it might work but she needs to be in her world as a Diva and not used like Serena. But getting over the Likes of AJ, Kelly, and Kharma are big huddles. We all know that 1/2 of wrestling is selling, and most divas will have and issue REALLY wrestling when they are more worried about sex appeal.
How to Improve this stable. first you remove CM Punk.
You have to get the group together under Heyman. Similar to the flock but they follow Heyman. (in the crowd that is too overdone).
Instead they follow Heyman to the ring where they stand at his side just causing a disturbance. After the match they square off and legitly beat up the winners. working their way up. Once they have enough heat they you send them after titles, a shot that HHH never allows to come. (because of the beating Lesnar laid on him) People will wonder why winners arn't allowed to get. A tag team that looks the same will get noticed right away. They need to start as a tag team and not 2 singles ( this is the current problem, and no real names) Work the Divas the same way.
Ambrose is the semi figure head feuding with Ryberg, but all fights never get started Ryberg is always laid out ( lesnar) Finally Ryberg agrees to join the group as Dean's body guard ( think shawn and Diesel). Ambrose feuds with whoever is not holding the title but still a legit champion like Christian ( this keeps him as a middle guy between IC and World title). In time once the group begins to gain momentum then you add a Heel or face depending where they are. Not a guy who has failed to make it work before, But a guy Like Jericho, Orton, Rhodes or Ziggler.
All this takes place in a 6 month period.
Now for the bad news.
CM ( as a whole) Mr. Change. This just plays into his bullshit character role. He isn't original by any means and this would make it even more so.
Ring of Honor:
Second City Saints: This was Punks first band of misfits and it turns out none of them other than punk ever made it big.
The Gathering: This was Raven led group but still remains Punk is the only one to make it big.
ECW: The New breed: Another Faction Punk Join lead by the now known as DeAngelo Dinero. Again leaving the rest behind.
WWE
Straight Edge: By now you can see a trend Punk bets with a band of Misfits and trash and tries to help them get over only leading to a wasted attempt.
New Nexus: All failed but punk again leaving Punk alone as the one guy.
CM punk Always does better as a singles guy, his success is based on him as a lone wolf not group it a pack of garbage.
Dean Ambrose: Hasn't even appeared on WWE fully, Their are millions of fan who be say " Who the F is this clown". Not all fans hang out on the dirt sheets getting information. I didn't find the dirt sheets til I was in my late 20's, But have been watching wrestling since I was 7.
Ryberg: Ryberg is boring, a direct rip off of Goldberg with one major exception. The fans of WCW were fully behind Goldberg, and most fans are like 30/70 on Ryback. Punk had a ryberg already his name was mason ryan, and you can see how far that got him.
Kings of Wrestling:Just because some guys had talent wrestling in ROH doesn't mean they can come in and make a major impact. Again you looking through the eyes of a guy on the dirt sheets and not the normal "I like wrestling fan, but not wanting to research the dirt". Their is no promise to have them come in and dominate favorite superstars.
Del Rey Having a girl in the stable is a very nice touch. But alas this is another regurgitated CM punk defunked group idea. Punk has always had a female in all stables and it never worked out for them To bring in yet another mystery girl that lack sex appeal but has the rings skills. Now if she is used as a Diva it might work but she needs to be in her world as a Diva and not used like Serena. But getting over the Likes of AJ, Kelly, and Kharma are big huddles. We all know that 1/2 of wrestling is selling, and most divas will have and issue REALLY wrestling when they are more worried about sex appeal.
How to Improve this stable. first you remove CM Punk.
You have to get the group together under Heyman. Similar to the flock but they follow Heyman. (in the crowd that is too overdone).
Instead they follow Heyman to the ring where they stand at his side just causing a disturbance. After the match they square off and legitly beat up the winners. working their way up. Once they have enough heat they you send them after titles, a shot that HHH never allows to come. (because of the beating Lesnar laid on him) People will wonder why winners arn't allowed to get. A tag team that looks the same will get noticed right away. They need to start as a tag team and not 2 singles ( this is the current problem, and no real names) Work the Divas the same way.
Ambrose is the semi figure head feuding with Ryberg, but all fights never get started Ryberg is always laid out ( lesnar) Finally Ryberg agrees to join the group as Dean's body guard ( think shawn and Diesel). Ambrose feuds with whoever is not holding the title but still a legit champion like Christian ( this keeps him as a middle guy between IC and World title). In time once the group begins to gain momentum then you add a Heel or face depending where they are. Not a guy who has failed to make it work before, But a guy Like Jericho, Orton, Rhodes or Ziggler.
All this takes place in a 6 month period.
Not a great idea, and far from the best ever.
CM punk Heelturn would be a huge mistake with the lack of top Faces in WWE right now.
Also, heading an INDY based Stable would ruin everything he has built up over the last few years.
Like has been said, Ambrose' character does not work well with others and could'nt fit into this stable, Ryback is being pushed as a singles competitor and a face one at that. And Heyman needs to back a Stable or Wrestler who is already dominant and established.....and with CM punk as the leader...why would they need Heyman anyway?
Not the worst idea in the world. But heavily flawed.
CM punk Heelturn would be a huge mistake with the lack of top Faces in WWE right now.
Also, heading an INDY based Stable would ruin everything he has built up over the last few years.
Like has been said, Ambrose' character does not work well with others and could'nt fit into this stable, Ryback is being pushed as a singles competitor and a face one at that. And Heyman needs to back a Stable or Wrestler who is already dominant and established.....and with CM punk as the leader...why would they need Heyman anyway?
Not the worst idea in the world. But heavily flawed.
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@ Kizzany, I'm not sure if you think my idea is based on what I know about these guys from reading WZ or not but let me assure you that it isn't by any means. With the exception of Ryback I have watched all of them from the early stages of their careers live and in living color. I live in Philadelphia where they all cut their teeth in ROH, CZW, Chikara, JAPW, etc...There is a reason they all got signed, but in a company that hasn't done enough to create stars, this is a way that I see them able to do so. Perception is reality and Paul Heyman being the hype machine that backs them all will give them the valuable TV time they need to get thrust into better fueds.
CM Punk is no different than anyone and has to keep his character evolving, and would honestly be the easiest to rotate in or out, depending on which direction you would want to go with Ambrose. Having him atop the group is not based on his previous experiences but where he is currently in the eyes of fans and the company. There is a huge difference between now and ROH/FIP days w/The Gathering and there is an even bigger difference in the talent w/this group than what you called the failed SES. I think it was a good stable and right for the time but comparing Gallows, Serena and Matthews to these others is a no contest, and I thought they were all good.
Ambrose (Jon Moxley) could even be the leader as suggested, and for those who wonder "who the f this guy is" are gonna find out just how versatile he can be, but he should not be a legit title contender in his first year on a main roster. This is a great way to get him around top guys and test the waters.
Ryback, barring a couple wellness violations or career ending injuries is here to stay, but listening to the robotic Mortal Combat rhetoric will get old fast and going back towards his role in Nexus before injury is still believable enough and a lot less cheesy and could get rid of the Goldberg comparisons.
The KOR do wear tandem outfits but that is hardly the reasoning behind putting them together; we see how well that has worked for The Uso's. What they do in the ring together is what makes them better than any other tag team in the company right now. Think New Age Outlaws. Antonio will only go so far w/his current roster spot and not for lack of anything-it's just a long way to the top and a big roster to get lost in. Ohno hasn't even been called up yet and I can't see his current gimmick working on a main stage. Their names are fine but people will appreciate them more working together to really get over. Their chemistry is tops.
Sara Del Rey can actually wrestle, and even though that is not paramount right now they signed her because she can talk and wrestle. She isn't as glamorous and Hollywood bound like 1/2 of the other girls but the rumored re-signing of Finlay may mean a renaissance for the body of work the ladies put together.
Remember, a stables main purpose is to keep gold on it's leaders waist and elevate those around him. This faction is based on the belief that it is way too hard to stand out on your own and stay there, these are a group of wrestlers that all have the tools but being paired w/Heyman and Punk will bring out the absolute best in them and ensure tv time. With the current roster, the short term groups that could form to pose as foils to their plans are endless, again...elevating other talent. You have watched for many years so I won't go the route of many and question your knowledge, but I have watched for 30 years and paid close attention to the cycles and trends of the industry. I work in Marketing and Advertising so it's something people pay me to do; create concepts and ideas. If you think this is a bad idea, how must you feel about those that wanted Hunico and Camacho to head up factions?...
Also, to clarify; this isn't something that should be developed right now. My thought is really for next year post WM when Lesnar is gone and hopefully everyone is on tv by then and not floundering too much. An important tidbit that I definitely left out.
CM Punk is no different than anyone and has to keep his character evolving, and would honestly be the easiest to rotate in or out, depending on which direction you would want to go with Ambrose. Having him atop the group is not based on his previous experiences but where he is currently in the eyes of fans and the company. There is a huge difference between now and ROH/FIP days w/The Gathering and there is an even bigger difference in the talent w/this group than what you called the failed SES. I think it was a good stable and right for the time but comparing Gallows, Serena and Matthews to these others is a no contest, and I thought they were all good.
Ambrose (Jon Moxley) could even be the leader as suggested, and for those who wonder "who the f this guy is" are gonna find out just how versatile he can be, but he should not be a legit title contender in his first year on a main roster. This is a great way to get him around top guys and test the waters.
Ryback, barring a couple wellness violations or career ending injuries is here to stay, but listening to the robotic Mortal Combat rhetoric will get old fast and going back towards his role in Nexus before injury is still believable enough and a lot less cheesy and could get rid of the Goldberg comparisons.
The KOR do wear tandem outfits but that is hardly the reasoning behind putting them together; we see how well that has worked for The Uso's. What they do in the ring together is what makes them better than any other tag team in the company right now. Think New Age Outlaws. Antonio will only go so far w/his current roster spot and not for lack of anything-it's just a long way to the top and a big roster to get lost in. Ohno hasn't even been called up yet and I can't see his current gimmick working on a main stage. Their names are fine but people will appreciate them more working together to really get over. Their chemistry is tops.
Sara Del Rey can actually wrestle, and even though that is not paramount right now they signed her because she can talk and wrestle. She isn't as glamorous and Hollywood bound like 1/2 of the other girls but the rumored re-signing of Finlay may mean a renaissance for the body of work the ladies put together.
Remember, a stables main purpose is to keep gold on it's leaders waist and elevate those around him. This faction is based on the belief that it is way too hard to stand out on your own and stay there, these are a group of wrestlers that all have the tools but being paired w/Heyman and Punk will bring out the absolute best in them and ensure tv time. With the current roster, the short term groups that could form to pose as foils to their plans are endless, again...elevating other talent. You have watched for many years so I won't go the route of many and question your knowledge, but I have watched for 30 years and paid close attention to the cycles and trends of the industry. I work in Marketing and Advertising so it's something people pay me to do; create concepts and ideas. If you think this is a bad idea, how must you feel about those that wanted Hunico and Camacho to head up factions?...
Also, to clarify; this isn't something that should be developed right now. My thought is really for next year post WM when Lesnar is gone and hopefully everyone is on tv by then and not floundering too much. An important tidbit that I definitely left out.
I actually like this idea although I don't know if you need Ryback in there, He is already being forced down on our throats with little competition. To me the perfect Stable was Evolution(Sorry horsemen fans I was like 4 the last time they were around) It did everything A stable should do, When it broke down it made the members extremely marketable, made stars, Hell the quality of wrestling that came from Evolution was great. We've heard that Vince loves Rybacks look and that he will be dominating his matches. Depending how he is on the mic he could be one of the opponents Punk looks like he needs the help of his stablemates to beat and have a good fued with.
I'd have Ambrose In the Stable, but not book him as the usual stablemate where hes not always there looking like a lacky, but when he is needed hes there, and the 3 or 4 months leading up to the break up of the stable have him being closer then ever in it.
The Enforcer roll would have to go to Bray Wyatt. A believable enforcer, his current character comes off to me as a swamp like precher dude that maybe a little psycho so why not in the early stages of the stable team him up with Ambrose.
Have those two as the tag champs for a while, and when they finally get knocked off, and have them want a rematch and Haymen refuses to give them the opportunity and hires KOR(Kind of like how he hired Morgan and Jones to help lesner) tells them that if they want to remain under contract with him they have to earn it. Ambrosa gets the IC title or US title, and Wyatt saves Cm punk from losing the championship.
I know almost nothing about sara del rey but throw her in there why not, I've heard she can wrestle so shes got my vote.
I really don't know how you want to break it up though eventually, Punk would have to be a heel and ambrose from what i've seen is a heel? Punk can't switch cause then the rest is really without a leader, and the group falls apart only putting over one person from the group when they all good potential be stars. and I don't know how ambrose would be as a face.
For the sake of everyone else in the group I'd have Wyatt win a future MITB and punk doesn't trust him and eventually tries to take him out, only to have him to return and demand a match at a ppv for the title, Actually wrestling a full match at say summerslam Wyatt wins the championship as a face, having everybody punks need help retain the championship (Ryback, others) prevent the group from interfering. And the show ends with them celebrating wyatts championship. Have the fued continue to at least survivor series where its punks stable vs. Wyatt and companians and whos ever team wins thats who the champion is.
I'd have Ambrose In the Stable, but not book him as the usual stablemate where hes not always there looking like a lacky, but when he is needed hes there, and the 3 or 4 months leading up to the break up of the stable have him being closer then ever in it.
The Enforcer roll would have to go to Bray Wyatt. A believable enforcer, his current character comes off to me as a swamp like precher dude that maybe a little psycho so why not in the early stages of the stable team him up with Ambrose.
Have those two as the tag champs for a while, and when they finally get knocked off, and have them want a rematch and Haymen refuses to give them the opportunity and hires KOR(Kind of like how he hired Morgan and Jones to help lesner) tells them that if they want to remain under contract with him they have to earn it. Ambrosa gets the IC title or US title, and Wyatt saves Cm punk from losing the championship.
I know almost nothing about sara del rey but throw her in there why not, I've heard she can wrestle so shes got my vote.
I really don't know how you want to break it up though eventually, Punk would have to be a heel and ambrose from what i've seen is a heel? Punk can't switch cause then the rest is really without a leader, and the group falls apart only putting over one person from the group when they all good potential be stars. and I don't know how ambrose would be as a face.
For the sake of everyone else in the group I'd have Wyatt win a future MITB and punk doesn't trust him and eventually tries to take him out, only to have him to return and demand a match at a ppv for the title, Actually wrestling a full match at say summerslam Wyatt wins the championship as a face, having everybody punks need help retain the championship (Ryback, others) prevent the group from interfering. And the show ends with them celebrating wyatts championship. Have the fued continue to at least survivor series where its punks stable vs. Wyatt and companians and whos ever team wins thats who the champion is.
Not a bad idea but potentially coul work better with others. Possible Ziggler and Flair (if he came back), Also a similar stable to NXT before would be good but mix it up slightly. Problem is need the stars or legends to guide them. Also WWE creative arent innovative enought to find something. MY personal opinion is have another KotR the winner of that would be King and then gather subjets and they would rampage WWE. But who would King be? and what would he look for in subjects. Love the diva part of faction thats class need to build divas up again
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That's part of the whole concept for me; when you get one dominant force it is usually follwed by a few other stables to balance it all out. The mistakes of the past were that there was a very clear pecking order w/stables a la 1997 w/DX, Harts, Nation, DOA, Los Boriquas. With the talent pool now and legends/veterans passing the torch you could have better rivalries amongst the groups and have them change from face/heel/tweener. I love the idea of Flair and Ziggler heading one up, and I think Bray Wyatt could have one of his own and give Cena a group (which could lend to him turning heel in a few years when the kiddos become angry teenagers that don't buy his shit anymore). That would be the ideal way to get Punk's crew to turn face, Heyman and Ambrose jump ship to Cena's group and have Ambrose chase Punk's title. With the Uprising becoming mega faces Punk, KOW and Del Rey along with a new recruit, they could sell a ton of merch and freshen the characters up.
Ryack was the one element that I struggled with adding, as Ambrose is not big and menacing but is a bad ass, could easily fit that role on his own. Also, it would keep the numbers down. I agree that in their initial heel push as a group Ryback would be the perfect guy to require Punk needing all the help he could get beating him.
As for the breakup, it could simply run it's course where the KOW start to wrestle singles more and more, create a storyline where Del Rey has to choose between one and you have a feud to elevate them as individuals and Punk simply goes back at it alone. After 1-3 years the stable trend will run it's course and will have served it's purpose bringing about new top guys and stars on the rise.
Ryack was the one element that I struggled with adding, as Ambrose is not big and menacing but is a bad ass, could easily fit that role on his own. Also, it would keep the numbers down. I agree that in their initial heel push as a group Ryback would be the perfect guy to require Punk needing all the help he could get beating him.
As for the breakup, it could simply run it's course where the KOW start to wrestle singles more and more, create a storyline where Del Rey has to choose between one and you have a feud to elevate them as individuals and Punk simply goes back at it alone. After 1-3 years the stable trend will run it's course and will have served it's purpose bringing about new top guys and stars on the rise.
I'd rather see Bryan head up the stable than Punk. Punk in a stable seems so-played out now his current character is one that is better off on his own. There'd be more money in Punk being up against the odds against a strong heel Heyman force than there'd be Punk aligned with Heyman.
If you're going down the road of having ex-indie guys in there then there's a ready-made motive of them being resentful of Punk's success while having come from a similar background and they could make unfounded claims about him forgetting his roots and selling-out...something like that. But for me Punk would need to stay face. I'd rather see the centre-piece of the heel stable be Bryan and would rather see Ryback or Ambrose replaced by a newly debuting Seth Rollins/Tyler Black.
If you're going down the road of having ex-indie guys in there then there's a ready-made motive of them being resentful of Punk's success while having come from a similar background and they could make unfounded claims about him forgetting his roots and selling-out...something like that. But for me Punk would need to stay face. I'd rather see the centre-piece of the heel stable be Bryan and would rather see Ryback or Ambrose replaced by a newly debuting Seth Rollins/Tyler Black.
First to start, you might be right. I have nothing in touch with marketing. I am just a fan, who thinks outside the box and tries to get every angle. Now I just write.
As for those who thought that Hunico should do anything other than Job to Sin Cara, especially running a group of Mexicans and calling it Mexican america or LWO. What do I think of them, Well I think they swigged way to much tequila before post ( might have been a Kurt Angle post). If they were sober then I would recommend a Cat scan since obviously they were dropped on their heads as children..... repeatedly.
This is the problem the Idea is based on a year from now. If they come in as new people the problem remains, if they are already know then they all have to have a nice driving force. Take this for example:
Cena, Sheamus, Christian, Layla and ?? Is it bad that I can't even think who is holding the tag team titles? Well maybe if the titles were not more than a joke.
This group has established dominance and they could be plugged in now. They could all lose big time to heels, and tired of the interference they decide to band together and stop the crap. Giving the wwe clean matches.
The idea is stupid but at least it has the idea of a group of decently dominate stars. it won't work because Cena is a dick and his ego can be contained in a stable ( see MITB)
So in closing I guess we will see if your selection will be worth it in 1 year....don't worry no one but you will remember, so save the link and good luck.
Well I think it is a bad idea for now, who knows where they will all be in 1 year have Flop Lesnar goes back to getting his ass beat in UFC.
As for those who thought that Hunico should do anything other than Job to Sin Cara, especially running a group of Mexicans and calling it Mexican america or LWO. What do I think of them, Well I think they swigged way to much tequila before post ( might have been a Kurt Angle post). If they were sober then I would recommend a Cat scan since obviously they were dropped on their heads as children..... repeatedly.
This is the problem the Idea is based on a year from now. If they come in as new people the problem remains, if they are already know then they all have to have a nice driving force. Take this for example:
Cena, Sheamus, Christian, Layla and ?? Is it bad that I can't even think who is holding the tag team titles? Well maybe if the titles were not more than a joke.
This group has established dominance and they could be plugged in now. They could all lose big time to heels, and tired of the interference they decide to band together and stop the crap. Giving the wwe clean matches.
The idea is stupid but at least it has the idea of a group of decently dominate stars. it won't work because Cena is a dick and his ego can be contained in a stable ( see MITB)
So in closing I guess we will see if your selection will be worth it in 1 year....don't worry no one but you will remember, so save the link and good luck.
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It is a good idea. If done right, you got a hell of a stable...
But, guys like Punk and Ryback don't need stables, they are doing great without people around them. It's just my opinion.
No need to make a complicated stable. You don't want it too big. Use the 4 Horsemen concept. 4 guys who got each others back, and they make it cool to be a heel.
I say, bring back the guy who made Heels look cool. I remember in the attitude area, with the Rock vs. Austin. Yea, staples and power struggles occurred. But the crowd was torn apart. Yes the Rock got heat, but he was loved by the people.
But, guys like Punk and Ryback don't need stables, they are doing great without people around them. It's just my opinion.
No need to make a complicated stable. You don't want it too big. Use the 4 Horsemen concept. 4 guys who got each others back, and they make it cool to be a heel.
I say, bring back the guy who made Heels look cool. I remember in the attitude area, with the Rock vs. Austin. Yea, staples and power struggles occurred. But the crowd was torn apart. Yes the Rock got heat, but he was loved by the people.
Here's my issue. Why on earth would you put Punk and Heyman together? Talking is both guys' strength so it would be a waste. The whole reason for a manager is to help a guy get over on the mic, so I don't like this pairing at all. And the rest of the names in the group don't sound like a good mesh of characters either.
Heel Stable consisting of real life badasses (MMA FIGHTERS, Accomplished high school/college wrestlers/boxers, etc.)
GROUND -N- POUND
Jack Swagger (All American Wrestler at Oklahoma)
Cody Rhodes (2x high school state wrestling champ, had offer to Penn State)
ADR (Has fought MMA in Pride and other organizations)
Santino (Believe it or not, was an MMA fighter)
Dolph Ziggler (State Wrestling Champ at a top High School, wrestler at Kent State had Kent State career win record until recently)
GROUND -N- POUND
Jack Swagger (All American Wrestler at Oklahoma)
Cody Rhodes (2x high school state wrestling champ, had offer to Penn State)
ADR (Has fought MMA in Pride and other organizations)
Santino (Believe it or not, was an MMA fighter)
Dolph Ziggler (State Wrestling Champ at a top High School, wrestler at Kent State had Kent State career win record until recently)
