*MERGED* Hardy/Sting: Judge For Yourself (While Available)

[takerfan24]

IMO i think the match was gonna be longer but Hardy botched it and didn't (or couldn't) kick out

 

[itssoeasy123]

Also, in the video.

After the match you can clearly see by Sting's body language and face that he's was certainly pissed off at what happen.

You can also clearly hear audible of Jeff yelling as Sting is seemingly forfully pulling Jeff's hair for the SDD. IMO, the finish was definately not planned to be what happened, at all.

It's pretty obvious this wasn't a work. Sting was clearly puting his whole weight on Jeff to not allow his to kick out to save himself and Jeff from potential injury.

It's sad to know a very proud Christian has to go through something like this. You can clearly tell Sting was frustrated with Jeff after the end of the match. To think Sting could have potentionally go to Wrestlemania and wrestle infront of 50,000 plus people is great to what happened last night. It's was a shame, a joke, a way to kill a company.

I don't care if Jeff was hugely over 2 year's ago. It's time to put the guy in serious rehab. The guy's a father and a husband. He's got a family. If he's gonna be going down this dark road, something unfortunate or tragic can happen to him. Even though I'm not a fan of his wrestling, I certianly don't want to see him end up like Eddie Geurrero. He's need's to take control of his life, while he still has one.

Jeff, please, get some help.

 

[Slyfox696]

It looks like a "screwjob" done to avoid Hardy doing something stupid in the ring. Hardy looked surprised it happened, and Sting ALWAYS had his eye on Hardy to make sure he wouldn't try to go legit.

I'm not sure how much of this Hardy knew. Or, perhaps, Hardy wasn't aware it was going to happen so fast. But he wasn't ready for Scorpion Death Drop, he was definitely trying to kick out, he looked surprised, and Sting kept his eye on Hardy until he knew Hardy wouldn't try something.

Screwjob? It certainly has wrestling fans talking. Who knows, perhaps TNA is trying to work fans to watch. Hard to say.

 

[Ding_Dong_#2]

I think Jeff Hardy looked like me after ten beers and trying to pretend to his friends that he was ok when he clearly wasn't. Very much agree that Sting's punch to Bischoff looked very stiff indeed; there was almost definitely connection there.

The one different perspective I would put on this is that in the WWE, not only would they have deservedly sacked Jeff Hardy on the spot, they probably would have sued him and written him out of history. Sadly, TNA seem to be suckers for punishment so I very much doubt we will have seen the last of him; he is too valuable a commodity and we will soon see some barely believable excuse being trotted out. In ANY other walk of life apart from professional wrestling, would this man still have a job?

Jeff Hardy, despite having a some talent, would have barely made preliminary status in another era. He has been very, very lucky - things have really gone his way and he has abused his position like no other wrestler in history.

He has made fools of people who spend their hard-earned money on attending the event and buying on PPV. People have problems, I accept that but to put them on public display is unforgivable - in any other walk of life he would be fired, gone and he should be now. TNA is an embarrassment - I feel very sorry for Dixie Carter because she is continually let down by her writers and wrestlers who clearly only think of themselves.

 

[C.K.O.]

Sounds like Eric is pleading with Sting that sayin "It's gonna be all right, he's good" and Sting pissed off gets cut off when trying to say "Why don't u tell them why your really out here"..

Classic.. TNA YOUR FINALLY THE #1 THING TALKED ABOUT ON WZ.. #DUH #LOSING

 

[Iversen]

It's a very strange situation.

On one hand Jeff is coming to work not in a fit state. However on the other hand you can't tell me no one in the back noticed that? It took me all of 5 seconds upon his entrance to figure that out.

TNA and Jeff need to both look at themselves. TNA for not stepping up and getting a guy who's supposed to one of the top dogs in their company to get help which he so obviously needs and Jeff for allowing it to affect his life. Theres no way in hell Jeff should have been coming out like that tonight. You can see him trying to kick out. What if he'd got it in his head he was going to try and hit a Whisper in the Wind or something like that? How do you stop him from breaking his neck?

 

[shaunseven]

i was there last night. it was a mess. i remember thinking that hardy's entrance took a really long time. he looked very loose and slow, but i didnt think much of it...at first.
in person, the bischoff part seemed like it might be a legit storyline bit. i mean, tna screws it up like that every week one way or another. but i knew something was weird when jeff hardy just stared at sting with a confused (even under the paint) look on his face when sting popped/kicked bischoff. no save by hardy. just a blank look. then another little bit of shirt-teasing. that shirt part was more awkward (in person) than anything else. but in the end at least four (4) of tna security people ran out and surrounded hardy to escort him up the ramp. it was weird. most people sat there thinking there was going to be something else happening. i think the match ended at 10:37pm and everyone knew there was supposed to be another 15 min of ring time. it was weird...or was it? again, tna (with or without hardy) screws up matches on impact! every week. payperviews are no different apparently. i still love going to tna events though.

 

[itssoeasy123]

I just noticed the X sign a little while ago and when i watched it again I noticed that something else that has not been mentioned yet. If you notice, the ref throws the X sign after Jeff walks up to him and says something, also, when Jeff walks away he has a noticeable limp. It could be that he just had a legitimate injury. I admit it may be unlikely, but until we hear something definitive one way or the other we really don't know what the cause of the short match was. Maybe it was Sting's condition after all he did look like he got bit by a vampire haha just kidding. The whole thing was weird, though, if Jeff really was as bombed out of his mind as people say he did a decent job of not fully coming off that way, he didn't puke in the ring like Shane Douglas nor was he falling all over the place minus the slight stumble up the ring steps. I'm not saying he could have or should have gone out and performed, my point is I don't think he was completely bombed and would have gone up to the ref saying so at the last moment. I think the limp was the cause and he was genuinely hurt. And whatever happened, this match was still a better pay per view main event than Diesel vs King Mabel!

I noticed the limp too. And I guess it took the referee to noticed he was injured and not the backstage personal. And, it's the only time he limped the whole match. Maybe he lied and said he was injured, but was really intoxicated?

If he was so hurt, he would've walked down to ring on his own power.

And, also. Sting forcefully ended the match fast. Something was up and I doubt it was injury to Jeff or Sting.

If Sting was injured, he would've lost the belt. If Jeff was injured before, he wouldn't have been in the match. I know there's alot of talk about putting him in the match intoxicated, but putting him in there injured is still as bad. And if he was injured, why would the referre talling h imto get out of the ring help him? It's not like he sat down or something.

And also, you'll notice Sting's body language and facial expression after the match, he did'nt look to pleased. In fact, he looked frustrated.

Jeff obviously would've told Bischoff, or Dixie about his leg in pain, or injured. Why would he wait until the last minute to tell the referee? Besides, you can notice Sting looking pissed after the pinfall. He completely no-sold Sting's SDD.

Jeff just did'nt seem like himself the whole night.

 

[trashboy]

Yeah, I've watched this video a few times.. even the commentators were confused, when Hardy was taking his sweet time to come out.. they were silent, that's unusual for them since they're usually constantly talking.. then while Hardy was walking around with the damn shirt, after Sting pushed him the corner.. Hardy still continued with the shirt and you can tell Taz even got pissed by saying, "What the hell is Jeff Hardy here doing here?"

 

[achromat666]

For those who think it might be a work, I still haven't heard an explanation for what benefit a work in this case would be? If he's not out of it and all of this is a 'clever' way to run a new story there is no cohesive notion as to why or where it would go.

The build up is as follows:

Hardy goes heel, gets title and is head of faction.
Sting returns, surprises Hardy and wins title from him in short order.
Heat between 2 stars established.

Hardy and Sting finally have PPV match to settle the score, or whatever term you prefer.
The video posted is the result.

A few things are obvious from this:

Nothing in the events was on the original script for the match. There's entirely too much talking off the mic and too much procrastinating before the match with seemingly no purpose attributable to the established story feud. And there's the infamous X the Ref does before the intros. Something is amiss.

Sting is not happy from the moment Bischoff starts talking to him off mic through to his going up the ramp. There's being in character which sting excels at, but this is different. And in character certainly wouldn't have agreed with the BS chants.

The subsequent news of Hardy being sent home from tapings and the various remarks from the back and from Hogan himself.

Now, I will grant the remote possibility of a work is possible, but to what end? This in no way elevates the Hardy who's been pushed to the moon as the main heel, and it doesn't seem to be doing Sting any favors.

So what would be the point of a work?

Beyond that, Hardy needs help, and TNA needs to get this under control. Sending him home means little if he doesn't get help.

And I agree wholeheartedly that if this is a case of TNA letting a performer incapable of going into a match out in the ring that this can't stop with sending Jeff home. Who allowed this to happen? What are their consequences for putting their top heel and newly renewed Icon in potential danger by letting things get this far?

Way too many question that have no answer so I will refrain from speaking definitively.

But something is very wrong here.

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

I noticed the limp too. And I guess it took the referee to noticed he was injured and not the backstage personal. And, it's the only time he limped the whole match. Maybe he lied and said he was injured, but was really intoxicated?

If he was so hurt, he would've walked down to ring on his own power.

And, also. Sting forcefully ended the match fast. Something was up and I doubt it was injury to Jeff or Sting.

If Sting was injured, he would've lost the belt. If Jeff was injured before, he wouldn't have been in the match. I know there's alot of talk about putting him in the match intoxicated, but putting him in there injured is still as bad. And if he was injured, why would the referre talling h imto get out of the ring help him? It's not like he sat down or something.

And also, you'll notice Sting's body language and facial expression after the match, he did'nt look to pleased. In fact, he looked frustrated.

Jeff obviously would've told Bischoff, or Dixie about his leg in pain, or injured. Why would he wait until the last minute to tell the referee? Besides, you can notice Sting looking pissed after the pinfall. He completely no-sold Sting's SDD.

Jeff just did'nt seem like himself the whole night.

I agree, like I said the limp is probably unlikely, i just hope that it really is the reason and maybe he thought the whole time he could still go. I just don't get why he went up to the ref to begin with, i can't imagine he'd go to tell the ref he's fucked up and can't wrestle, that's my only skepticism about the whole thing. What a mess though, it could have easily been fixed, hell they could've came out and laid the only thing on the line and said jeff is fucked up so he's out, anything but pull another screw job.

 

[itssoeasy123]

At 6:35-6:37

I think Sting say's. "Why don't you tell them what your really out for then."

Actaully, if you listen closely you can faintly hear Sting say it as well.

It seem's like Sting was legit pissed.

If I was Sting I would get out of there now!

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

It looks like a "screwjob" done to avoid Hardy doing something stupid in the ring. Hardy looked surprised it happened, and Sting ALWAYS had his eye on Hardy to make sure he wouldn't try to go legit.

I'm not sure how much of this Hardy knew. Or, perhaps, Hardy wasn't aware it was going to happen so fast. But he wasn't ready for Scorpion Death Drop, he was definitely trying to kick out, he looked surprised, and Sting kept his eye on Hardy until he knew Hardy wouldn't try something.

Screwjob? It certainly has wrestling fans talking. Who knows, perhaps TNA is trying to work fans to watch. Hard to say.

Yup. The SDD looked a bit awkward, and the fact that Jeff tried to kick out seems to me like there was a bit of a screwjob going on and Sting was actually holding Hardy's legs tight. Hardy did not look pissed when Bisch confronted him...so I'm thinking that this was a shoot and they screwed Hardy.

Now, maybe they allowed the match to take place because they didn't want to piss off Jeff. But congratulations...Jeff got pissed. Why not make the main event better?

 

[Knight's Valor]

In watching the video it's clear Sting is pissed. He along with the fans deserve much better.
The only question remaining is why. Is it because we're all right is saying Hardy was physically not able to perform due to drugs, or is it something else. Judging from Hardy's actions, I have to believe he was unable to perform. Good job by the ref for calling it. Now we have to wait and see if TNA does the professional thing.

 

[itssoeasy123]

I agree, like I said the limp is probably unlikely, i just hope that it really is the reason and maybe he thought the whole time he could still go. I just don't get why he went up to the ref to begin with, i can't imagine he'd go to tell the ref he's fucked up and can't wrestle, that's my only skepticism about the whole thing. What a mess though, it could have easily been fixed, hell they could've came out and laid the only thing on the line and said jeff is fucked up so he's out, anything but pull another screw job.

Maybe the referre called Jeff over becuase he noticed Jeff wasn't himself in his entrance. Then, he might have noticed a glazed look in his eye, to that extent, and Jeff wasn't all there.

 

[EStreet]

The rumor around the Impact zone was that Hardy had violated his probation and cops had arrived to arrest him. However, WZ has since squashed this rumor. I don't want to keep up a bad rumor, especially about something serious like that, but in all honesty, it seemed like something serious was up when security rushed down - perhaps this is being covered up by TNA as it would be a devastating blow. Just giving my take on what I saw.

On the other hand, I too was surprised when he didn't help Bischoff after taking the shots from Sting - I kept saying out loud it was a face turn and he was laying down for Sting. But then when both were pissed after the 3count that immediately made no sense - does TNA ever make sense?

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

Maybe the referre called Jeff over becuase he noticed Jeff wasn't himself in his entrance. Then, he might have noticed a glazed look in his eye, to that extent, and Jeff wasn't all there.

hmmm that's true, I hadn't thought of that... good point.. That would at least make more sense. Would also explain why sting was so pissed, since an injury wouldn't make sense.

 

[TCBT]

After watching the footage of the strange main event of Victory Road, I began to think how TNA will cover that whole fiasco up. So I started thinking about what they will do with Hardy rather than what they SHOULD do with Hardy.

I'm only going by the rumors posted on the web sites, but if Hardy was intoxicated during the "match, " I think Hardy should be sent head first into a rehab clinic or fired. But seeing as days after pleading guilty to the real life drug charges Hardy becomes world champion, I don't necessarily see that happen. I think TNA might turn this into a whole storyline...

Do you see TNA turning Jeff Hardy into a Charlie Sheen-esque character??? My personal opinion is, mayybe the whole main event was setting up this swerve. Maybe it was meant to go down that way.... Highly unlikely, I know, but I DO see this turning into a storyline. Charlie Sheen is, by far, the most talked about "entertainer" today. TNA tried the whole Jersey Shore bit - at its peak of fame - and Vince Russo has never had a problem incorporating real life into storylines. With Jeff Hardy's drug charges, Charlie Sheen all over TV, I find this almost inevitable... What do you think?


EDIT: I just noticed another thread similar to this one, so I apologize for that, so in order to keep this one open, what do you guys think will be the repercussions of the main event of Victory Road???

 

[EStreet]

If this was a screw job...why not book the card w/ one more match and then have a shorter main event. Legit screwing people out of 30 minutes (including the waste of time build up for a 2 min match) is inexcusable.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

I agree TNA just reminds me of WCW with no real figure head in charge of that place. For them to allow Jeff Hardy to go into the Ring as he did last night from what ive read is just applauling and sad. Dixie Carter and TNA should be embarrassed about that debacle,if this was WWE they would not left Jeff go into the Ring like that.

 

[Brahma Bull]

I just dont know if it was entirely hardy's fault, because bischoff could have easily done something like, since jeff couldnt prepare for you, you now have to take on both hardy's. scorpian death drop to jeff, and let matt and sting wreslter. (just an example, another more popular person would do, the pope, anderson, etc). you can tell that something went down.

 

[itssoeasy123]

Yup. The SDD looked a bit awkward, and the fact that Jeff tried to kick out seems to me like there was a bit of a screwjob going on and Sting was actually holding Hardy's legs tight. Hardy did not look pissed when Bisch confronted him...so I'm thinking that this was a shoot and they screwed Hardy.

Now, maybe they allowed the match to take place because they didn't want to piss off Jeff. But congratulations...Jeff got pissed. Why not make the main event better?

A worked screwjob. No chance!

You can clearly see frustration o Sting's face after Hebner tell's Sting something and Sitng mouth's, "Are you serious?" Or something like that.

As I stated in another earlier post, you can faintly hear Sting say to Bischoff, "Why don't you tell them what your really out for then." Then he gives a really hard connected punch to Bischoff. Then, Jeff just stand's over Bischoff, a watches him get hit. It's like if say, Kofi Kingsotn hit Wade Barret, I doubt Justin Gabriel would just stad there, they would try to protect him. The only thing Hardy did was hold out his arm in a failed attempt to back away Sting.

Jeff was forcibly pinned by Sting, yes. But it probably was for the safety of himself and Jeff.

 

[eversorgod]

hardy walks fine to the ref, then walks away with a limp, ref has a disgusted look on his face before the camera cuts away

bischoff says the words "belt" and "drop" to hardy, the rest is too covered up for my lip reading skills, maybe someone whos deaf can get further or confirm

no idea why either would be mentioned but the big thing is the no DQ, i think that was an obvious way to change the match to make it end fast without it looking dodgy. sting obviously (and rightly) ended the match too quickly and its also obvious he didnt pull some of the punches and most obviously the hair pull lol

should be interesting to see what goes down, hardy is out of the impact tapings by the looks of it

TNA are too slow and have no brains, it would of been so easy for bischoff to come down and say because the network screwed us we are going to screw the network and give sting a surprise opponent, im sure there was plenty of talent there which was not used and with a vet like sting they would of been able to put on decent enough spots to get the job done, hell they could of even had matt hardy come down as it was a no DQ, lay out jeff for a few mins give us a 5mil match get jeff back in for a SDD

but no bring out the druggy alone and have a 30 second match and bring more bad press and heat you dont want

1 good thing can come of this and thats hardy being laid off for a few months while he goes to re hab

 

[itssoeasy123]

If this was a screw job...why not book the card w/ one more match and then have a shorter main event. Legit screwing people out of 30 minutes (including the waste of time build up for a 2 min match) is inexcusable.

See, that is true. If this was a work, or a screwjob, they would've added another match, or lengthen another match longer. If this was planned, they would'nt have roobed people of a main event becuase of a guy's "inability to perform."

 

[Huey]

Hello everyone, long time lurker first time poster.

To me it looks as though Hardy was totally surprised by what happened. I can't tell if Bischoff made the call to Sting, or Sting took it upon himself. The shots to Bischoff looked stiff, but I think that may have been their way of trying to throw a bone to the crowd. Similar to The Brain taking a beating for Andre.

When Sting initially approached him in the corner; he had a look of disgust on his face. He grabbed Hardy's hair and put him in the SSD with intentions. It really looks like Hardy was struggling to kick out and Sting was struggling to hold him down. Afterwards Sting still looked disgusted; he also watched Hardy like a hawk until there was some distance between them.

I was a little Stinger in the 80s and I'm not trying to knock the guy, but I don't think he could pull that off as a work and make it believable. Pin attempts in normal matches almost never look that good. I definitely don't think Hardy could pull off.

If we hear the real story I will be surprised. The Hardy's and their clan will all say Jeff is ok. I don't see TNA acknowledging any problems on television, or by official announcement. They haven't garnered this much attention in a long time. It's a bad situation but they need to capitalize on the publicity and make the best of it.

If it is a work, Sting and Jeff Hardy did an amazing job pulling it off.