Re: Undertaker's Wrestling Ability

[yyuusr]

Well I don't think he's that great anymore either. Can he sell a match, yes he can, but please, his best days are far behind him. He has a very limited move set and you can almost choreograph his matches from beginning to end.

Don't get me wrong, physiologically he's one of the best in the business and that's what keeps his mystique alive, but yes he is getting older and slower.

Its quite obvious that he is not at his Best but he still better than Majority of the guys that Wrestles today especially the ones from TNA

As for the Mania match with HBK, it was great, that was thanks to the build and the fact that, quite frankly the rest of the card didn't live up to the standards of a Wrestlemania card. It kind of stunk. The only thing that I look forward too at Mania is the "streak" and will he keep it alive. Too many PPV's with no time to build between them has ruined the whole show for me for a couple of years now.

Didn't live up to the "Wrestlemania card"? I guess that's a good majority of why people call it the greatest Wrestlemania match of all time. Next time you might want to explain why it "stunk" with out being poor excuses.

 

[yyuusr]

Nope pretty sure it was Taker v Kane w/Bearer just like it was back in 1998.

The amount of time WWE spent on Taker vs Kane is nothing compared to the amount of time they wasted with Wade Barrett and Cena

Calling him a pure striker is ******ed because it implies he can strike. And for the record Kaval's strikes that actually hit people are a lot more realistic. The Michaels/Undertaker matches are grossly overrated Michaels had far better matches in the last few years, Undertaker hasn't had good matches in a long time, these matches get overhyped because of the names not the content.

He can strike. His strikes are the most realistic in Pro Wrestling it reminds a lot of people of the MMA. and LOL Kaval?

As far as I remember Michaels/Undertaker was liked because of the performance not the names. That why a lot people call it the greatest match in Wrestlemania because of the Wrestling not the names. Lots of people thought it was going to be one of those matches that gets overshadowed by the build up like Undertaker vs Masked Kane and Triple H vs Randy Orton but the Wrestling is the reason they are so liked.

Since 2006? Did someone miss his matches against Ken Anderson, Jeff Hardy and AJ Styles this year? Must've because those are all match of the year candidates. And tell me when did the Undertaker become synonmous with wrestling? Never? Well there's Hulk Hogan taken care of. How about the face of a company? Nope, seems Sting takes the cake on that one as well. And for the record Sting vs AJ at BFG 09 was great. And Kevin Nash unlike the Undertaker actually put over younger guys instead of crushing people in a few seconds (Drew McIntyre) and beating new champions to make sure everyone knows they can't beat him (swagger). Oh yeah and Kevin Nash during the nWo is better than anything Undertaker ever did and Kevin Nash can speak without sounding like a b-movie actor.

Kurt Angle only had good feuds because of his name in the last couple of years. Seriously he has not shown any of the wrestling skills than he once had in the recent matches. and among people with a real sense of decency Hulk Hogan will be remembered as a overrated wrestler without much skills what so ever that switched between companies all the time to benefit his popularity and even going to likes of Hollywood. and you really are smoking something if you think Sting and Kevin Nash has is a better wrestler than Undertaker. and Undertaker could talk shit too when WWE wasn't when he wasn't in the PG Deadman Era.

Nah it was shit.

Wanna explain why is was shit. Because all I see is a guy really trying had to bash WWE without any sort of explanation.

It was a Randy Orton match also known as wrestle by numbers.

Randy Orton match? What match were you watching? People cared more about Taker than Randy Orton.

Good because of Kurt Angle.

You have proven with this quote that you are a Kurt Angle fanboy.

Batista was in them. They sucked.

Yeah and that's why they were so highly praised. People were impressed by Undertaker's performance not Batista

24 was the only good one, if you've seen on Edge vs Undertaker match you've seen them all.

You have really funny point of view on what's a good match. Undertaker vs Edge was without a doubt his worst WM match in the last 5 years.

The one where Mysterio broke his face and he looked like William Shatner in a fight scene? Bahaha.

What does the have to do with if it was a good wrestling match. If Undertaker won the match without breaking a sweat your little hypocrite ass would be complaining about Undertaker being so overrated.

All pretty awful, Undertaker hasn't been good since Austin left.

Austin was one of the most Overrated Wrestler of all time especially during the Attitude Era. They barely ever let lose matches as Face without outside help. Hell I will even say it he was even more Overrated than Cena.

In your entire Post you have sounded like nothing but a lame TNA fanboy who has a pretty obvious hate for WWE, and a pretty stupid and lame hate for The Undertaker for arguably being its biggest start who has ALWAYS been Loyal to them. Fanboy about about TNA all you want but don't troll on Undertaker he is better than any wrestler that has ever stepped in that ring.

 

[Maestro48239]

The amount of time WWE spent on Taker vs Kane is nothing compared to the amount of time they wasted with Wade Barrett and Cena

this has nothing really to do with Cena Vs Barrett

He can strike. His strikes are the most realistic in Pro Wrestling it reminds a lot of people of the MMA. and LOL Kaval?

thats truly a laughable statement, there's quite a few people that more realistic punching ability then the taker, I'll name one that comes to mind, Scott Hall. His big right hand looked downright brutal. the undertaker's right hand looks slow and and his punches pulled. dont confuse wearing MMA gloves with striking ability.

As far as I remember Michaels/Undertaker was liked because of the performance not the names. That why a lot people call it the greatest match in Wrestlemania because of the Wrestling not the names. Lots of people thought it was going to be one of those matches that gets overshadowed by the build up like Undertaker vs Masked Kane and Triple H vs Randy Orton but the Wrestling is the reason they are so liked.

no, it was more about the names and the buildup then the actual matches, they were enjoyable, but they werent legendary from a wrestling standpoint. they were legendary because it was HBK vs the Taker 2 years in a row. the 2nd match mostly because it retired Shawn Michaels.

Kurt Angle only had good feuds because of his name in the last couple of years. Seriously he has not shown any of the wrestling skills than he once had in the recent matches. and among people with a real sense of decency Hulk Hogan will be remembered as a overrated wrestler without much skills what so ever that switched between companies all the time to benefit his popularity and even going to likes of Hollywood. and you really are smoking something if you think Sting and Kevin Nash has is a better wrestler than Undertaker. and Undertaker could talk shit too when WWE wasn't when he wasn't in the PG Deadman Era.

you obviously havent seen the lockdown cagematch from last april, that had match of the year written all over it.
As for Hogan, sure he wasnt the greatest technical wrestler, but he brought Wrestling from the trailer parks to the mainstream. he was magic on the mic back in the 80s, and all of todays wrestlers can thank him for the popularity they have because of him. Kevin Nash, I'm not the biggest fan of his so I will cede that point to you. but Sting, now there was a phenomenal wrestler. he still is pretty damn good these days, but shit hes 51 and moves around far better then the undertaker. also, do a grammatical check on this, its really hard to follow

Wanna explain why is was shit. Because all I see is a guy really trying had to bash WWE without any sort of explanation.

actually I see his point, and he's not bashing WWE, hes just stating facts about the undertaker, and how the youth movement is pretty much a hoax

You have proven with this quote that you are a Kurt Angle fanboy.

what makes you any different? you sound like you would swallow the taker's load for an autographed Urn

Austin was one of the most Overrated Wrestler of all time especially during the Attitude Era. They barely ever let lose matches as Face without outside help. Hell I will even say it he was even more Overrated than Cena.

I'm going to have to call Shenanigans on that statement, Austin Saved the WWE back in the attitude era, he was the model for what the WWE would turn into over the next decade, he had far more charisma then cena does, Cena appeals to kids and chicks thats about it. Austin appealed to everyone that was pissed off at life and their place in it. he made it acceptable to kick the shit out of the boss if he pissed you off. hence the Attitude era.

In your entire Post you have sounded like nothing but a lame TNA fanboy who has a pretty obvious hate for WWE, and a pretty stupid and lame hate for The Undertaker for arguably being its biggest start who has ALWAYS been Loyal to them. Fanboy about about TNA all you want but don't troll on Undertaker he is better than any wrestler that has ever stepped in that ring.

this is the biggest laugh of your whole post, the greatest wrestler ever? what are YOU smoking? I can name about 20 wrestlers without even really thinking about it who were far better wrestlers then Mark Callaway EVER was.
you can call red a TNA fanboy, but at least he backs his posts with facts, your posts....all 4 of them are pure opinion, nothing else. well that and an obvious hatred for TNA wrestling.


in closing The undertaker was a good wrestler with a good gimmick that seemed to catch on, in the twilight of his career his injuries are becoming for more obvious. and its overpowering his gimmick.

 

[hitbatista]

Undertaker isn't a mid-size guy with a limited set of moves.He's 7ft 300lbs.What he does is unbelivable in the age of 45.I admit last couple years Undertaker has been breaking down.But what he has done for 20 years can't matched by most of the active wrestlers and performers both in WWE and TNA.Taker knows the fact too that the time to hang the boots up is near.I'm sure he'll do so after going 20-0 at WM.But those who say Undertaker sucks,they should rather watch Cena cutting promos.

 

[yyuusr]

this has nothing really to do with Cena Vs Barrett

Yes it does it means the are focusing way more on Cena Vs Barrett than Taker vs Kane.

thats truly a laughable statement, there's quite a few people that more realistic punching ability then the taker, I'll name one that comes to mind, Scott Hall. His big right hand looked downright brutal. the undertaker's right hand looks slow and and his punches pulled. dont confuse wearing MMA gloves with striking ability.

Scott Hall? Are you kidding me Scott Hall? His punches doesn't even look like punches much less be realistic. Its funny that you would pick someone that has wrested in TNA. Makes my TNA fanboy comment look even better. and Taker's his punches look way faster than anybody in Pro Wrestling and if you don't think so you haven't seen him punch.

no, it was more about the names and the buildup then the actual matches, they were enjoyable, but they werent legendary from a wrestling standpoint. they were legendary because it was HBK vs the Taker 2 years in a row. the 2nd match mostly because it retired Shawn Michaels.

"werent legendary from a wrestling standpoint" did I just hear that right? When you can make millions of people who thought otherwise agree with you you can come back and say so. I don't give shit about YOUR OPINION because your opinion is pretty bias because of TNA. Their matches were about the only reason WM 25 and 26 got good ratings. Maybe you would like to read some reviews before you talk out of your ass.

you obviously havent seen the lockdown cagematch from last april, that had match of the year written all over it.
As for Hogan, sure he wasnt the greatest technical wrestler, but he brought Wrestling from the trailer parks to the mainstream. he was magic on the mic back in the 80s, and all of todays wrestlers can thank him for the popularity they have because of him. Kevin Nash, I'm not the biggest fan of his so I will cede that point to you. but Sting, now there was a phenomenal wrestler. he still is pretty damn good these days, but shit hes 51 and moves around far better then the undertaker. also, do a grammatical check on this, its really hard to follow.

Wow, A TNA fanboy calls a TNA match "match of the year" yeah big surprise. and I have seen that match and its far away from being even nearly as good as your average UT matches at WM or other good matches in WM like HBK vs Cena for example. and I give Hogan credit for bringing all those fans it the 80's but it still doesn't take away the FACT that he has been one of the most disloyal wrestlers off all time that switched between companies just to benefit his popularity. If you look at it from an Intellectual point of view, Cena has done just as much as Hogan did in his generation but has only stayed loyal to the 1 company. and Sting moves around better than Taker? You have to be brainless to think that. I respect Sting and all but he is slowly becoming like what Hogan was at that age which is slow. Undertaker actually gets praised by the moves he is able to pull off at his age. and you can talk about grammar when you start putting apostrophes and capitalize the A on "April".

actually I see his point, and he's not bashing WWE, hes just stating facts about the undertaker, and how the youth movement is pretty much a hoax

He's not stating any facts at all, he is whining about both Undertaker and WWE just like you.

what makes you any different? you sound like you would swallow the taker's load for an autographed Urn

Well you sound like you would put your mouth in Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter's dicks to show you loyalism to TNA.

I'm going to have to call Shenanigans on that statement, Austin Saved the WWE back in the attitude era, he was the model for what the WWE would turn into over the next decade, he had far more charisma then cena does, Cena appeals to kids and chicks thats about it. Austin appealed to everyone that was pissed off at life and their place in it. he made it acceptable to kick the shit out of the boss if he pissed you off. hence the Attitude era.

Austin did nothing like "saving the company". The company was doing pretty well with Bret Hart, DX, Undertaker etc before and that was even before Austin got his big push in WM14. and honestly in the Attitude era The Rock, DX. Undertaker, Kane, Mick Foley provided way better entertainment than Austin. All Austin did was drank, say the world ass more than anybody, and be in all the Main event matches and Vince McMahon kissed his ass all the time and always let him win kind of like what's happening with Cena right now. Hell even Cena loses some matches fair and square, the only time I saw Austin lose fair as face was in Nwo 01 against Triple H and at WM19 against The Rock. He might have had a big part in creating the Attitude era but so did a lot of others. But he is the only one that the credit mostly goes to to which just shows you how overrated he is. and like we haven't seen Vince McMahon get his ass beat enough time already hell even The Nexus did it LOL. Just in case your gonna provide us with wrong info like you have been doing Austin was not the first to "kick the boss's ass" it was DX.

this is the biggest laugh of your whole post, the greatest wrestler ever? what are YOU smoking? I can name about 20 wrestlers without even really thinking about it who were far better wrestlers then Mark Callaway EVER was.
you can call red a TNA fanboy, but at least he backs his posts with facts, your posts....all 4 of them are pure opinion, nothing else. well that and an obvious hatred for TNA wrestling.


in closing The undertaker was a good wrestler with a good gimmick that seemed to catch on, in the twilight of his career his injuries are becoming for more obvious. and its overpowering his gimmick.

"I can name about 20 wrestlers without even really thinking about it who were far better wrestlers then Mark Callaway EVER was."

LOLLLLL that's the funniest thing I have ever heard from a TNA fanboy. 20 wrestlers without even really thinking about it? Ok I wanna see this 20 wrestlers who are probably gonna be form TNA. Undertaker could easily be argued as the greatest wrestler ever, If not in the Top 5 or Top 10 at the minimum. It all depends on one's opinion but I will bet he will make it in at least one of those 3 in most people's list. But one thing is for sure he is certainly better than anybody the wrestles on TNA. and its not that I hate TNA that fact that I watch it almost every week would back that up but the thing that bothers me is that you would use its mostly RETIREMENT HOME and DISLOYAL stars to diss on The Undertaker and his Age is what pisses me off. You can diss on PG WWE all you want but don't diss Taker just because he has remained loyal to it and makes a huge contribution in making it way more successful than TNA. I can tell your one of those people that thinks that TNA will be the next Attitude era but soon you will find out how wrong you are about that. and he backs is up with facts? LOL what part of saying "Nah it was shit" without any sort of explanation what so ever seems fact to you?

BTW are you and the dude called Reddannihilation twin bothers or the same dude using multiple accounts or something? Because your speech patterns, point of views, hate for Undertaker/WWE, love for TNA all seems a bit Ironic and is really hard to Ignore.

 

[ABMorales787]

The Undertaker's in-ring ability is unquestionable. He is tremendous on the various aspects needed to be a top performer. He's great at selling, even if most of the time, the injuries are real. He's great with the storytelling and not to mention, for a 7 foot, 300 pound 45 year old, soaring through the air the way he does is pretty astounding. While he may have had his downside back in 2001-2003, the man is still the most respected figure in the ring. he may not dazzle you with 16 German Suplexes or a Huricanarna into a 450 Shooting Star Press, but he's still capable of delivering amazing matches. Just look at Wrestlemania 25 and 26. He turned an otherwise terrible show in WM 25 into a one match show. With Shawn Michaels of course.

When it comes to ring psychology, The Undertaker is a master of it. He knows exactly what to do and when to do it and can direct his opponent's in the same way. There's a reason why most new guys are placed in feuds with The Undertaker.

 

[The Ace of Knaves]

You have really funny point of view on what's a good match. Undertaker vs Edge was without a doubt his worst WM match in the last 5 years.

I'm sorry sir, I agree with everything you said but this. Counting back 5 years mean WM 22, 23, 24, 25, and 26....I take it you haven't seen Undertaker vs Mark Henry at Wrestlemania 22 in the worst casket match of all time, then?

See, this is why I agree with anyone labeling Taker vs Edge as the most underrated Wrestlemania match of all time. It is so overshadowed by a retirement match that has lost its meaning cause the supposedly retired person wrestled again.

Taker vs Edge was the best Wrestlemania wrestling match ever since Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania 21. Undertaker opened by knocking Edge to the floor with a clothesline. He followed right behind. Edge fought back. Taker yanked him neck-first over the top rope. Edge gained control shortly thereafter. At 3:00 he charged at Taker with a knee and knocked him off the ring apron to the floor. When Taker moved back toward the ring apron, Edge slidekicked him to the security wall.

Edge got sustained, methodical offense until 7:00 when Taker knocked Edge off the top rope to the floor. Taker followed up with a running dive that cleared the top rope and hit Edge flush at ringside. Taker worked over Edge in the ring. At 9:00 he set up a Last Ride. Edge blocked it when Taker's back gave out, then hit Taker with a boot to the face. Edge punished Taker at ringside, then scored a near fall back in the ring at 11:00. Edge settled into a modified half Boston crab mid-ring. He held on for about two minutes. Taker powered out and rolled up Edge for a near fall. Edge went back to worked over Taker's legs.

Taker battled out and to his feet. He and Edge exchanged blows mid-ring. Taker eventually got the better of it and lifted Edge, then dropped him over the top rope with snake eyes. Edge countered with a surprise dropkick to Taker's face leading to a near fall at 14:00. Edge leaped off the top rope. Taker caught him by the throat. Edge kicked him in the gut. Taker grabbed Edge's throat. He went for a chokeslam, but Edge countered with a DDT. Taker kicked out just as Cole declared the streak over.

Taker came back with a chokeslam for a near fall that popped the crowd big at 15:00. Taker climbed to the top rope, but Edge knocked him off balance. He climbed to the top and set up a superplex. He pulled it off, taking Taker hard to the mat. Both men were slow to get up. Edge rolled onto Taker. Taker kicked out. Edge mounted Taker in the corner and punched away. Taker stood up and walked to center ring. He set up a Last Ride. Edge leaped out of it and gave Taker a neckbreaker. Cole exclaimed disbelief that Edge countered again. Both were slow to get up again. Edge whipped Taker into the ropes. Taker stopped short and forearmed Edge. He then gave Edge a Last Ride - finally without a counter by Edge. He made the cover. Edge kicked out at the last possible split-second. Taker sat up and appeared on the brink of frustration, but determined to continue. I know Taker feels his age these days, but he doesn't look it. Taker lifted Edge for a Tombstone. Edge flipped out of it and drove Taker to the mat. Edge made the cover and scored another near fall.

Taker caught Edge coming off the ropes with boot to the face. Taker fell to the mat afterward, then went to the top rope again, this time successfully walking the top rope and coming off with a forearm to the back of Edge's neck. Edge ducked a Taker big boot, and the boot hit the ref instead. Edge then gave Taker a reverse DDT. He caught his breath while sitting on his knees. He stood over Taker and trash talked him.

Taker reached up and grabbed his throat. Edge low-blowed out of it, then rolled to the floor. Edge knocked a cameraman down and stole his camera. He unplugged it and brought it into the ring. He charged at Taker and KO'd him with a camera. Edge tried to check on the ref, but as he shoved him, the ref fell to the floor. Edge looked over at Taker, who sat up. Edge did the throat slice signal with his thumb, then lifted Taker for a Tombstone. Taker countered with a Tombstone. He covered Edge, but there was no ref. Charles Robinson sprinted to the ring. That was a long run. He slid into the ring and counted to nearly three, but Edge kicked out. Cool sequence. The long run to the ring was a nice touch. Zach Ryder and Curt Hawkins ran to the ring. Taker fought them off. Taker actually chokeslammed one of the off the ring apron onto the other on the floor. Edge recovered and speared Taker.

Coach declared the streak over, giving away that Taker was going to kick out because there's no way he'd be allowed to call the real finish ahead of time. Sure enough, Taker kicked out at 23:00. Edge hit another spear. Taker, though, surprised Edge with his new figure-four headlock sleeper. Edge struggled to reach the ropes with his leg, but couldn't quite get there, then he tapped out. The crowd exploded. They got their happy ending. A massive fireworks show played out as Taker held his newly won title.

If this is a horrible match then I guess Mark Henry is the finest Wrestlemania performer of all time.

 

[HBKevin]

Considering Taker has put on some of the best matches ever, with HBK in particular, anyone who says he "sucks" just doesn't understand wrestling, I think. Sure, how good someone is in pro wrestling is subjective to a degree, since the outcomes are fixed, but when it comes to legendary veterans? You have to recognize what is clearly there.

 

[AndyUK]

His best days are definitely behind him now but you can't question how good of a worker he's been over the years, particularly the past five or six since he returned to the Deadman gimmick. He's one of the best big men of all-time. Like the OP said, wrestling isn't about how many moves you can do. It's all about telling a story.