I just want to see the mid-card titles defended at Wrestlemania, that has been a pet peeve of mine over the last few years.
Agreed. As long as the mid-card title is being defended, I'm happy with it.
The difference is that the Vince/Taker feud was short, it was a one match deal and Taker beat him to a bloody unconscious pulp., he had his revenge regardless of putting him the grave. Kane has put Taker in a coma and beaten him three straight PPV's, I just don't see Taker not getting his revenge before moving on, hopefully he gets that revenge prior to Mania but of course we don't know his timetable to return, it could be a catch 22.
Well, short or not, it still happened. And since it has happened before, of course it can happen again. Besides, what is the point feuding with Kane again? Even Vince has admitted the zero crowd reaction during the last 3 Taker vs Kane matches made him cancel their third Wrestlemania match because it would be dull as hell, seeing how the crowds weren't even halfway into it.
The reason I thought Taker should come to Cena rather than the other way around is that it puts a different slant on things, it is more like Hogan vs Andre and it takes away the desperation to prove a point that both the HBK and Orton Mania programs with Taker shared and to an extent the Triple H one, I believe the Flair angle was a personal feud with Taker attacking Flair's son rather than Flair wanting to end the streak. the minute Cena deliberately sets out to end the streak is the minute everyone knows for sure he is going to lose IMO.
Well, at WM 23 and 24 against Batista and Edge, Taker literally chased against them, but people were still sure he would have won. In actuality, no matter who is booked to chase who, as long as the build up is proper and the opponent is a credible main-eventer who can make u suspend your belief, The Streak match is a guaranteed classic. That's why matches with Diesel, Masked Kane, Triple H, Ric Flair, Batista, and Edge were far more successful than matches with A-Train and Mark Henry. With people like Cena or Jericho, u know u can suspend u'r belief and expect a legendary match. But with people like Sheamus, Wade, or Unmasked Kane again, u don't even need to watch to find out who wins in a mediocre match.
On the reverse side of my own argument I do see how the match I suggested is going to blow following on from the matches with Batista, Edge and the two HBK epics, in fact it reminds me a bit of the crappy tag match he was in at WM19, however I look at an alternative to a rushed Cena program and they are in short supply, I mean even a returning Jericho is much more likely to be paired with Orton.
I guess one possible option for Taker could be Goldberg but that guy would probably not want to job if he did the show.
Precisely. It has happened three times to The Undertaker already.
1. After defeating three main event monster heels consecutively in the form of Diesel, Sid, and Masked Kane at WM 12, 13, and 14, who would believe Boss Man stood a chance against Taker at WM 15? No one, that's why the match remains the only Undertaker Wrestlemania match to receive 'boring!' chants from the crowd until now. It's a pity Taker & Mankind have never had and will never have a WM match together cause Vince was so keen on re-pushing Boss Man's fat a**. Vince should have booked a story where he hired Mankind to protect him from Taker and face Taker at WM 15 in a match we haven't seen them together before like Casket match or I Quit match or even Inferno match, cause if there was HIAC without Taker, why can't we have Inferno without Kane? Such a shame.
2. After defeating Triple H & Ric Flair at WM 17 & 18, who would believe Big Show & A-Train stood a chance at WM 19? It's a pity, Vince should have ended Taker vs Show feud at No Way Out and build a feud with Taker against Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, or RVD who had minor role only at WM 19. But no, he had to fulfill his dream and push A-Train and Nathan Jones to main event scene. We knew how it ended up. Seeing how Vince only gave Ric Flair a managerial role at WM 19, can u imagine if Vince actually utilized his brain and book three more matches at Wrestlemania 19 in the form of Undertaker vs Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio vs Rob Van Dam, and Chris Benoit vs Ric Flair? Wow, if those three matches have happened at WM 19, alongside the already great line up of Triple H vs Booker T, The Rock vs Stone Cold, Vince McMahon vs Hulk Hogan, Chris Jericho vs Shawn Michaels, and Kurt Angle vs Brock Lesnar? WM 19 might have been truly the best Wrestlemania ever instead of second only to Wrestlemania 17. Such a shame your love for pushing giants hindered a big big big chance, Vinnie.
3. After facing Randy Orton, who would believe Mark Henry stood a chance? It resulted in the worst casket match ever despite Vince's hope for Taker to carry Henry into a legendary match and made him a main eventer overnight. Till now, Henry is still jobbing on RAW. Taker should have faced either Angle or Benoit at WM 22, really.
At this point, The Streak match can't be a sideshow anymore. That is, if Vince still wants the 1 million buyrate. If Jericho does return in time, I think they should have him admit he's Nexus real leader. As we knew it, Vince believes his fans have short-term memories so I don't see why he wouldn't mention Orton in Jericho's return.
At least Taker vs Y2J sounds a hell lot better than Taker vs Wade or Taker vs Nexus.
As for Goldberg....the match should have been done at WM 20, really. It's another miss on Vince's part. Instead of booking Taker in a match against Unmasked Kane which wasn't half as good as their legendary WM 14 match and went shorter than Undertaker's entrance, why not have one man among Goldberg, Lesnar, or Rock to attack The Undertaker at Survivor Series 2003 instead of Unmasked Kane. WM 20 was the last appearance of those 3, surely a match against Undertaker would have been better as a final match rather than a crappy handicap match or a match that is considered by many to be the worst match in the history of Wrestlemania.
Other than his ego, another reason I worry about Goldberg is his tendency to injure his opponents. I don't want him to botch a move, ends Taker's career (like he did to Bret), only to leave the night after like nothing happened.
I think the bigger draw between Lesnar vs Taker and Cena vs Taker is very debatable, however I don't really disagree with you points on doing Cena vs Taker, all are valid, my only reservation is time, to me this is the kind of match where Cena is champion at the start of the year and Taker wins the Rumble, then there is a full two months of build to a match of this scale.
As it stands we don't even know when Taker will be back and Rumble through EC both he and Cena have feuds that needs completing, leaving a very short build for the actual Cena vs Taker program.
Either way I am enjoying this discussion man.
Well, that's why I said if Taker does return, he needs to be back after RR to end the feud against Nexus. And in the tag match, he has to do as little work as possible, taking minimal damage but giving maximal damage.
And no worries, Taker vs Cena doesn't need three months of build-up. One month is more than enough. Just look at Taker's WM matches with HHH, Orton, and Shawn Michaels (the 1st time).
As for being the bigger draw....who says old school fans who have long stopped watching wouldn't return to see whether The Streak of WWE's only remaining man from The Golden Era of Wrestling will be ended by the kids' hero, right? Cena vs Taker is like Hogan vs Andre in our time.
Same here, great discussion we're having in here, bro
