**Merged** Daniel Bryan Discussion

[Daniel]

A Cena hater? There seems to be a correlation between hating John Cena and intelligence about wrestling. My expectations of you're post has gone down drastically before even reading it.

The primary thing that Daniel Bryan has is natural wrestling ability. You are not called the best technical wrestler four years in a row, or most outstanding wrestler three years in a row if you have no talent. He has also accquired the moniker "the best wrestler in the world". Now, that isn't some title thought up by some company's creative like "the world's strongest man". It is a name he has received from critics for consistently putting on incredible performances, whichever company he works for.

Now, he hasn't been given his time to shine in WWE just yet. Sure, his matches with The Miz have been excellent and the most entertaining thing on the Raw brand in the last month or so but The Miz isn't a technical wrestler like Bryan, so they are not going to have perfect matches.

It's not just his in-ring ability. He is perfect as a heel or face. He has charisma (regardless of what he Miz says) and is as over as hell, not just with the IWC. He also has a quality that I can't quite put my finger on. It's almost like an everyman quality. The closest I can describe it is if I was a wrestler, I would want to be Daniel Bryan.

Who knows, maybe in time he will grow on me. It's happened before, maybe it will again. But for now......this guy is not that special. Hell TNA didn't want him. That should say something.

He was the most respected and revered wrestler on the independent scene. I don't think it's a case of TNA not wanting him, it would be him not wanting them. TNA would give their left bollock for Daniel Bryan.

 

[Ultra Awesome]

But you did say that his winning the US title so fast is significant. Well, remember back to when RAW was in Italy, and a "nobody" from the crowd answered an open challenge from Umaga, then beat him? Well that guy is Santino. He won the title on his first night. So just because you win a belt fast, does not mean you are credible. He may have talent, but I feel he isn't that talented.

No. Marrela was a different case. Marrela won the title on his first night. Daniel Bryan on the other hand, had a build before he actually won the title. The feud between the Miz and Bryan had a descent amount of hype and build established before the actual match was conducted. Therefore, Miz and Daniel's match with Bryan coming out victorious does make Daniel Bryan credible unlike Santino's.

Granted, it was a fairly short time before he won the title. However, it does NOT take away any credibility whatsoever as it had a good enough build as well as a good enough hype. Not to mention, like I said, the match was epic. So really, yes. Daniel Bryan winning the championship is credible.

 

[Enygma]

I've watched Bryan Danielson(I refuse do call him Daniel Bryan) for a long time, the guy has almost everything he needs to be a world champion, i agree about the mic skills, but others have gotten over without being great on the mic. Anybody who actually watched NOC should have been able to see Ho much better the Miz was just by being in the ring with him. Ok he's not the biggest but it is refreshing to see a smaller guy do so well. At least half the guys in the locker room aren't fit to lace his boots! This is the start of something huge for a wrestler who deserves it.

 

[Klown_Karnage]

I have to admit that I wasn't exactly impressed with Bryan to begin with. Yes, his ring skills are phenomenal. Hell, the guy was able to go toe to toe with Batista and make himself look like a credible challenger even if he did lose the match. Now he's up against someone more his own size (the deciding factor, quite often, in the WWE) and is able to win without making it look like a slaughter. I'm happy with his performance for the most part. In terms of mic skills, I'll admit he's improved since NXT, but he still sounds like he's either drunk or has a bad head cold. I do like that he's getting more authoritative and is...shall we say, enjoying himself a bit more. That cheerful grin just before he attacks and puts the squeeze on someone is a good touch.

I think that it is the right time for a mid-card title (although not a main event title.) He's taken all kinds of crap from the WWE and since they've been building his story up as a "come-back kid" line, it's about time that it started paying off. How long will his push last, however? Remember the so-called pushes that Kofi Kingston and Evan Bourne got on Raw? Remember how abruptly those ended? In my opinion, Bryan will have his time in the sun and it'll be a short one, the WWE's reputation with smaller wrestlers considered, so you won't have to worry about it for long.

 

[Ace333]

Your right, and not right. IMO. Yes, I was probably a bit harsh with some of what I said. He has accomplised allot in a short time. But you did say that his winning the US title so fast is significant. Well, remember back to when RAW was in Italy, and a "nobody" from the crowd answered an open challenge from Umaga, then beat him? Well that guy is Santino. He won the title on his first night. So just because you win a belt fast, does not mean you are credible. He may have talent, but I feel he isn't that talented.

I'm pretty sure Santino won the title only because of Bobby Lashley. Bryan Danielson is the next submission expert that WWE is missing. I remember the day when Jericho, Angle and Benoit submitted everyone.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

Bryan was the main reason why I started watching old Ring Of Honor stuff a couple of years ago. Bryan was an Indy God, and now he's finally made it to the big leagues. WWE must have a ton of faith in this guy, because he's feuding with a MITB winner who is also riding a huge push at the moment, and he's the US Champion.

If you don't see ANY talent in the guy, then I really don't know what you're watching my friend. His match with Miz at Night Of Champions was easily the best match on the card, and we're talking about a card that featured two very high profiled matches. Did you not see the crowd's reaction when Miz tapped out to the LaBell Lock? They went insane. Bryan had many outstanding matches while in ROH, and he's already off to a good start in WWE. His match with Jericho on NXT a while ago was good, and he put on an excellent performance during the Nexus VS WWE match at Summerslam.

Why in the hell would you want him to go to Smackdown? Again, he's already in a damn good feud with The Miz over on WWE's flagship show, so how would going to Smackdown help him get over more?

 

[sTyLnK]

Bryan is an absolutely incredible wrestler. A pure and natural talent in the ring. Yeah his mic work is a little weak, but good Lord questioning his in ring ability? Are you not right in the head or something?

 

[Miss Flawless]

Really? You think he's a jobber? Are you high on weed or something? Daniel Bryan is an Indy LEGEND. He's got awards from PWI for most outstanding wrestler and something about submission holds.

Daniel Bryan had a nice build up, then he won the US title, that doesn't seem like a jobber to me.

 

[80s Dude]

I have seen Bryan Danielson wrestle live many times in my local indy federation (ECCW) here in Vancouver Canada.
He used to call himself "The American Dragon" back then, and when he wrestled, he made the local talent look good. But beyond that, he was actually decent on the mic. The next time he came back to the area, he gave himself a new gimmick claiming to have the sexiest beard in all of wrestling. And at this time he was better on the mic.

But since his debut in the WWE, I have noticed a change in his mic skills. He doesn't seem as riveting as I once remember him. I have a theory that this might be due to the way the WWE produces things. I think that he is different because he isn't "allowed" to be himself. I mean, they even changed his name so they could cash in on the guy. But that's my view.

But as far as what is so special about Bryan Danielson, I find him exciting to watch in the ring. And that's the reason I watch wrestling in the first place.

 

[Tougie]

Lets see, whats special about Bryan Danielson. Watch 1 of his indy matches and you'll understand. Granted if you have never seen his indy work you wouldnt expect much out of him, but he has had some of the greatest matches in the past 6-7 years or so. He is one of the special few who can actually hold someones attention for 30+ minutes in ring.

Oh and TNA did want him, but he chose money in WWE unlike Nigel McGuiness who went to TNA and still hasent gotten pushed the way he should have been. (Yes, Angle fued. Then nothing). TNA wanted both of them.

 

[NIGuy]

. But I am sorry, but this guy is worse then Cena. In my opinion anyway.

This here is what lost your post what little credibility it had. Did you see his Match with Jericho? did you see how he got a good match out of Batista? Miz and Danialson are never going to have an epic world class match.

When he starts goiong up against the likes of Edge, Jericho, Punk, Kaval and others... then you are going to see multiple match of the year candadates

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

I totally agree. I don't see what's so great about him.

People go crazy about his ring skills but to be honest, I've seen nothing in his WWE stint so far that looked above the Jimmy Wang Yang type of level. He slaps on a few submissions and does a suicide dive and that means he's a genius? Everyone says he's fantastic, then when you point out that his WWE stuff isn't above the norm, they tell you "well you have to check out his ROH performances" which to me is just an excuse. I can't imagine him being 100x better there. Slightly better, sure, as he has more flexibility, but I just can't see it being that dramatic of a change. I found his match against the Miz to be a bore up until the last few minutes of it and for those saying that "he made the Miz look like a good wrestler", I'd argue the opposite. The Miz looked like the better wrestler in my opinion.

This brings me to another point. The Miz/DB feud is ALL Miz. Eliminate Daniel Bryan and replace him with someone else and you effectively get the same exact feud. Eliminate the Miz and what do you have? Exactly.

When it comes to mic skills, everyone's being so lenient on him because they have some infatuation with the guy. If he were anybody else and showcasing the same mic skills, everyone would chastise the fuck out of him. I'm a big fan of Shelton Benjamin in the ring but even I don't hesitate to say he needs mic improvement. Others look at Bryan, who BLOWS on the mic on par with Shelton (and others) and say he needs "a little" improvement. C'mon now. He needs a LOT of improvement as he's devoid of any real character or charisma. He's just "a guy that wrestles"......despite how I've yet to see any amazing wrestling.

All I keep hearing is how great he is and how I just have to wait and see because he'll prove me wrong. Well, how about what you're giving me right now? Right now, you're giving me a performance I'd put on par with Gregory Helms, who was no world champion in the making.

 

[TxKxAx]

Lets look at these accomplishments shall we...

Pro Wrestling Illustrated
PWI ranked him #13 of the best 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2008

Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Best Technical Wrestler (2005–2009)
Match of the Year (2007) vs. Takeshi Morishima on August 25
Most Outstanding Wrestler (2006–2009)
Most Outstanding Wrestler of the Decade (2000–2009)

I guess you get voted the best technical wrestler from 05-09 because you suck. I assume winning Most Outstanding Wrestler from 06-09 was also a fluke, guess that award should of been given to Cena huh? And last but not least being rated Most Outstanding Wrestler of the Decade must have been a mistake........

With all these accomplishments I guess he has no talent in the ring and it a "high profile jobber" and from what I read TNA wanted him and Danielson had zero interest in going there.

But you know, since he is so terrible I could be making this all up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Danielson#Championships_and_accomplishments

 

[TheAbsolute1]

WOW you kiddin' me? Do you actually know wrestling or are you a mark that thinks he knows what's up? Do you know who the best wrestler in the world is? Chris Jericho. You know why? Honed his craft, took the time to get better for YEARS. You know what makes DaniEl Bryan great? He's living fucking proof that wrestling is something you earn not some two bit last minute decision that anyone can do. For a decade, yea 10 years, he's been indying and taking the time to not only make his name but just like the best, HONE HIS CRAFT. Just quit. Quit watching wrestling 'cause you have absolutely NO respect for wrestling at its truest.

 

[CorkscrewBackElbowDrop]

are you tweaked in the head, the man is possibly the best wrestler the wwe has picked up in the past 10 years, no scratch that he IS the best wrestler they've picked up in 10 years, is he a wwe style wrestler no, is he exactly what they need to fill the niche left by hart and benoit YES

 

[TxKxAx]

The two you mentioned, Bryan and Jericho, are the last of a dieing breed. Jericho being the last guy to really grasp what it is to be a true heel. Both of these guys have honed their craft around the world to get to where they are today.

 

[The Doctor]

Let's see, what's so great about him? Could it be the fact that he is very good in the ring? How about the fact that he has great, natural charisma that the crowd can and is connecting to? How about the fact that his mic skills are not half bad? They may not be the greatest, but he is more than competent and I'm sure as his WWE career goes on he'll start hamming it up more and more. He's better than several members of the WWE roster as he can MORE than carry himself on the mic and come across clearly. Hell, he's better, content-wise, than Alex Riley, the guy everyone claims is golden on the mic. He's a million times better than Drew McIntyre. To say that he's Shelton Benjamin level is just...wrong.

I'm not going to tell you to look at his independent work. He's in the WWE now, and so he should only be measured by what he's done in the WWE. And what he's done is very impressive. He's won a championship, had a great match with The Miz, and connected with the crowd to become massively over. Oh yeah, and he did this after being legitimately fired from the company and brought back.

As for Anthony PessiMango's assertion that you could replace Bryan with anyone and get the same feud, I totally disagree. This feud is being built around the fact that Bryan is a huge indy star. It takes two people to make a feud work. The audience has to hate the heel and love the face. And the audience loves Bryan. They love his ring work, they love his personality, they love his unassuming nerdy demeanor - and so do I.

Look, you're not always going to like the same wrestlers that other people do. But to claim he has no talent is laughable.

Also, Cena rules.

 

[Rampage Bentley]

This brings me to another point. The Miz/DB feud is ALL Miz. Eliminate Daniel Bryan and replace him with someone else and you effectively get the same exact feud. Eliminate the Miz and what do you have? Exactly.
.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!???? Their program is all Miz??? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Hell before he started feuding with Bryan, I've been fast forwarding whenever The Miz comes out.

Is Daniel Bryan the greatest on the mic? No. But neither is The Miz. Sure he's confidant and has a catchphrase, but I've said it before and I'll say it again... All the Miz knows how to do is elevate himself, which is why he's been looking weak whenever he loses to Bryan (or anyone for that matter)

Plus I don't know where everyone got the idea that mic skills = good wrestler. The matches have just as much to do with the feud and overall entertainment as the mic work. And if you replace DB in that fued "with anybody" Miz is probably going to have garbage matches. I'm so tired of the raging boner everybody gets for The Miz... he's really not that great

 

[The Crock]

Great thugs about him... Hmmm.... I like how his name is spelled Daniel Bryan. Ok, all jokes aside, the guy is an Indy legend. He's great in the ring, has a great connection with the crowd, good mic ability, very charismatc, he's the whole package. He has been nothing short of spectacular in his WWE run so far... And he's the future of the company. If you can't see that... Well... I don't see how you can't see that.

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

This brings me to another point. The Miz/DB feud is ALL Miz. Eliminate Daniel Bryan and replace him with someone else and you effectively get the same exact feud. Eliminate the Miz and what do you have? Exactly.

It cracks me up when people dis ANY wrestler and then say how amazing the MIZ is....

REALLY!!!! REALLY!!! THE MIZ!!! Sorry couldn't help myself...

As anyone who has seen me post on here will tell U I am not a MIZ FAN... So since I am not a big MIZ fan let's JUST compare stats...

Daniel Bryan...

Pro Wrestling Illustrated
PWI ranked him #13 of the best 500 singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 in 2008

Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Best Technical Wrestler (2005–2009)
Match of the Year (2007) vs. Takeshi Morishima on August 25
Most Outstanding Wrestler (2006–2009)
Most Outstanding Wrestler of the Decade (2000–2009)

Danielson is a three-time world champion, having won the ROH World Championship in Ring of Honor (ROH) once and the PWG World Championship twice in Pro Wrestling Guerrilla. In addition, he has won the FIP Heavyweight Championship once in Full Impact Pro, the GHC Junior Heavyweight Championship once in Pro Wrestling Noah and is officially recognized as the final ROH Pure Champion, as he unified the Pure title with the ROH World Title in 2006. He also won the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship in New Japan Pro Wrestling with Curry Man.

The MIZ

Mizanin first gained fame as a cast member on MTV's The Real World: Back to New York, which first aired in in 2001, and its spinoff series, Real World/Road Rules Challenge. He later entered the fourth season of Tough Enough, a televised competition which would award the winner a WWE contract, and became a finalist. Mizanin has also made appearances on television shows including Battle of the Network Reality Stars, Fear Factor, Identity, Ghost Hunters, Dinner Impossible and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?.

Before being promoted to the main WWE roster, Mizanin trained and wrestled with Ultimate Pro Wrestling (UPW) and Deep South Wrestling (DSW), where he became the first Deep South Heavyweight Champion. Mizanin was sent to Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW), working in tag team action and winning the tag titles, the OVW Southern Tag Team Championship, on one occasion.

After signing with WWE, Mizanin became host of the annual WWE Diva Search competition in 2006. Following his hosting duties, Mizanin made his wrestling debut in September 2006, as a villain who went "undefeated". In 2007, he was drafted from SmackDown to the ECW brand, where he formed a partnership with John Morrison, in which the two held both the WWE Tag Team Championship and the World Tag Team Championship. He was drafted to the Raw brand as part of the 2009 WWE Draft, where he won the WWE United States Championship on two occasions. In July 2010, he won a Money in the Bank ladder match at the Money in the Bank pay-per-view, earning a contract for a WWE Championship match

Now I can see how U would give such MAJOR props and not Daniel when U compare resumes...

Uh wait a minute NO I CAN'T!! What is so special about DANIEL BRYAN? Uh what is so special about the MIZ? Look I keep hearing how great his promos are but REALLY R U that impressed?? He is an actor FIRST! I bet AL PACINO would deliver a great PROMO as well. Should he become the next MITB winner?

The MIZ's ring work is mediocre, His appearance and gimmick is not that creative or impressive. I have said it before and I will say it again ALEX RILEY does the MIZ BETTER than the MIZ!!! They both look like BULLY FRAT boys but at LEAST ALEX RILEY really was one!

In conclusion its like this DANIEL BRYAN does one thing thing exceptionally well...

HE CAN WRESTLE!! That is why he was so special. He is great at what he does. Oh and as for TNA not wanting him uh NO WRONG AGAIN!!! BOTH DESMOND WOLFE AND DANIEL WERE SIGNED TO GO TO THE WWE!!! Wolfe just didn't make the cut (I hear it was the WELLNESS POLICY but I don't know) and switched to TNA!

Oh and as for MIZ carryinng him during their MATCH....

LOL LMAO LMMFAO!!!! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!!

I guess U also thought that BOOGIE WOOGIE MAN JIMMY VALIANT use to make RIC FLAIR LOOK GOOD IN THEIR MATCHES TOO!!!

Just answer this. NAME one match that the MIZ has EVER had that U HONESTLY believe CLEARLY won MATCH of the YEAR... YEAH THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT!!!

But the again NEITHER has BRYAN... Oops wrong again..

DANIEL BRYAN Match of the Year (2007) vs. Takeshi Morishima on August 25

 

[TxKxAx]

EXACTLY! I posted his achievements myself earlier in the post and pointed out to the guy who thinks Danielson is nothing that he doesn't win those awards for showing up.

I'm no Miz fan myself, I like nothing about him, everybody wants to praise him for being so great. However, The Miz is disguised under slightly above average mic skills. Mic skills which cover up his lack of real wrestling ability.

Danielson is one of the best pure wrestlers in the world, he has EARNED that title. He is extremely gifted in the ring, and has the "it" factor that it takes to become a main eventer in the WWE. It probably doesn't hurt he was trained by one of the best in the business, Shawn Michaels.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I have very mixed feelings about his new entrance music. I personally do not care for classical, but at the same time it does set him apart from everyone else. He even made fun of his old theme himself in a promo, calling it boring "generic rock". Adding the classical music gives more opportunities for Cole to mock Bryan and for the Miz to keep getting heel heat by addressing it negatively in promos. I laughed when the Miz called it nerdy Superman music, or whatever that was. More wrestlers need to stand out, and Bryan's theme helps him do that even though it's a type of music most people do not care for anymore, or feel doesn't fit in with a wrestling program.

 

[ctln4rko]

Alright. Daniel Bryan is unbelievably talented, submissionist and high flyer. Touch up on the mic skills, you have yourself a HOFer. But how the hell am i supposed to take him seriously with that music! That is music to signify birds in flight. I preferred the generic rock music! at least that was theme like.