Matt Ryan won the ROY becuase he is white

[Mighty NorCal]

Is absolutely the truth. You know what else is the truth? He isnt very good. 16 TD to 11 INT. Please, you tell me what league thats stellar in, and I will thank you.

On the other hand, Chris Johnson, a black tailback for the Tennessee Titans (who happens to be black) put up great numbers. over 1200 yards, over 10 TDS, and 4.9 yards per carry. He was an absolutely dynamic player that had to be accounted for at all times.

So why did Matt Ryan win ROY? Becuase he is white, clean cut, and a good kid by all accounts.

Matt Ryan plays for the Atlanta Falcons, a team who had just went through a massive turmoil over their former black QB fighting dogs, a crime in which the perpetrators for the most part, are black. In comes the new pearly white smiling, white, QB from the rich kid school. This fucker probably didnt even need to step foot on the damn feild for him to win ROY, the damn NFL and media wanted him to do well so badly.

Meanwhile, you have a black guy, with gold teeth and dreads (features that are predominantly popular in southern black communities) putting up VASTLY superior numbers, and having a far greater impact to his teams success, and he doesnt win the award.

One of the most biased, absurd, blatant showing of racism, and slanted media attention.

 

[shazam]

Matt Ryan made one of the worst teams in 2007 into a playoff team in 2008. He came into the league and showed promise for the Falcons future. He gave hope to a city that still has to live under the problems that Vick caused.

Also the last three ROYs were black, Adrian Peterson, Vince Young, and Carnell "Cadillac" Williams. Two of those ROY didn't really do anything in the 08 season. Even though that really doesn't have anything to do w/ Matt Ryan being named ROY it shows that not only white people win the award.

And even though I agree that Chris Johnson should have won ROY he did split downs w/ LenDale White so that could have had something to do w/ votes going Ryans way. Would Johnson been as good w/o LenDale? I think so, but maybe that had something to do w/ how people voted.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Matt Ryan made one of the worst teams in 2007 into a playoff team in 2008. He came into the league and showed promise for the Falcons future. He gave hope to a city that still has to live under the problems that Vick caused.

wait, MATT RYAN turned them into a playoff team? with 16 TDs and 11 INTs he did that? really? It wasnt them having one of the best Olines in the league? It wasnt the emergence of Roddy White at WR? It wasnt the emergence of Micheal Turner becoming one of the league's leading rushers? Er, yea, I think you got that backwards.

The bolded part IS the reasons he won the award, and thats what im saying here in this thread. He won it becuase of political reasons. To deny that, and the differeing skin colors of the players involved, is to be naieve.

 

[shazam]

The bolded part IS the reasons he won the award, and thats what im saying here in this thread. He won it becuase of political reasons. To deny that, and the differeing skin colors of the players involved, is to be naieve.

I don't think that skin color had anything to do w/ it. Right place, right time had everything to do w/ it. You put any rookie qb, black or white, in that spot and they do the job that Ryan did and they win ROY. Sure Turner, White, and the oline made it all possible, but we are talking about ROOKIE of the year.

Don't get me wrong, I agree w/ the points that Johnson should ahve won ROY, Turner could possibly be one of the best big players in the league, and the stars had to align for Ryan to win, but they did,he won, and this ROY was bigger than him it was for the city and helped that city get though a dark time.

Yes, it was politics and about color, but not white or black, but green. The NFL doesn't want to lose the following in Atlanta( which from what I undertsand is a football city) and wants to make a star out of Matt Ryan to sell some jerseys.

 

[TwistofRKO]

Wow.

Maybe the reason Ryan won the R.O.Y award was because he was more instrumentral to his team's success than was Chris Johnson. The Titans made the playoffs because of their defense. The Falcons were garbage and to have a rookie QB come in and not screw everything up for you is actually pretty remarkable. Was it as good of a season stats wise? Not really. But the difference made was more impactful.

There's been 2 offensive rookies of the year that have been white in over 20 seasons, both QBs, showing how rare it is to find a positively contributing rookie QB.

There's been 1 defensive rookie of the year that has been white in the last 20 seasons.

For heaven's sake drop this racism garbage.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Ive already explained to you how that worked. he had little impact on their team and not NEARLY as much as three other guys, and the Oline unit. THOSE are the reasons they went, not a QB who had a middle of the road saeson, with pedestrian numbers.

On the other hand, you might wanna check your numbers, and memory. Chris Johnson WAS their offense. He caught passes out fo the backfeild, ran the ball for nearly 5 yards a pop, and returned kicks and punts.

I fail to see what ROYs of the past have to do with the racism and politics involved in selecting THIS years ROY. Likely becuase it doesnt have anything to do with it.

 

[shazam]

Ive already explained to you how that worked. he had little impact on their team and not NEARLY as much as three other guys, and the Oline unit. THOSE are the reasons they went, not a QB who had a middle of the road saeson, with pedestrian numbers..

Your point about "team impact" is a great argument for a Chris Johnson ROY case, but what does that have to do with Matt Ryan being named ROY was only b/c he is white.

Are you saying that if a black rookie qb had the exact same season and stats as Matt Ryan then Chirs Johnson would be ROY? I don't think so.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

pretty easy to figure out. Johnson had far more impact, but it was negated by the fact Ryan was white. duh.


and you know something? had Ryan been black, he probably wouldve had to do even LESS to get ROY. "oh look at this, this is a GOOD young black kid, as opposed to that scondrel criminal Vick". Also racially and socially motivated, not motivated on merit of preformance.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

OK. Matt Ryan kept a balance of things...but Michael Turner made that team playoff contenders. The man's a stud and made my fantasy football team dynamite with him and CHRIS JOHNSON as my RB's.

Johnson had the far better statistical marks to win ROY, but his story wasn't marketable. Ryan was the White Knight riding in on his steed to rescue us from the Dogfather Michael Vick. 16 and 11 won't win Super Bowls. 16 and 11 next year will mean a losing season.

 

[shazam]

pretty easy to figure out. Johnson had far more impact, but it was negated by the fact Ryan was white. duh.


and you know something? had Ryan been black, he probably wouldve had to do even LESS to get ROY. "oh look at this, this is a GOOD young black kid, as opposed to that scondrel criminal Vick". Also racially and socially motivated, not motivated on merit of preformance.

Johnson had more impact on a team's stats, but I feel that Ryan had more impact on his team as a whole, motivation, hope for the team, city, and future, and I feel that the other breakout stars for the Flacons this season would not have been motivated or had the seasons they had if this kid, white or black, came in as their leader and took their season in a 180 from last year.

But from the second part of your last post I see that you just think that Chris Johnson should have been ROY no matter who else was considered and do not like Ryan b/c he was named instead. I'm pretty sure that you and I can agree and say that Ryan was not named ROY on the fact he was white. He might have been named it b/c of Impact or Politics, but not b/c the color of his skin.

 

[klunderbunker]

If you want to make the ROY or any other award about what they do for the home cities then they need to be renamed the New Orleans Sainties, because no one else should win them for the next 2-3 years besides members of the Saints no matter what their record is.

But anyway, I think there's good points made by Norcal. Ryan definitely did improve his team, but there were other parts to the rebuilding process. In Tennessee, where would that team have been without Johnson? Aside from Collins, what else did they have on offense? Very little. Johnson gave them the offensive weapon they didn't have before. Also, why not Joe Flacco? He was a rookie QB that took his team to the playoffs. If another player at the same position did the same thing, then maybe it's not as hard as it seems. Johnson was the best rookie running back and he did it for a team that had virtually no offense. Sounds like something is up to me.

 

[TwistofRKO]

It's more of a matter of Ryan turning the page for the team. The rookie of the year isn't a statisically merited award. Whether he was the most deserving is debatable, but whether or not he is in the lead of the discussion is not. This coming from a big critic of his prior to his being drafted.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

AH!!!!

a FINE point brought about by KB. Well, if the award isnt absout statistical merit, and can been given out for cutsey stories, then why the fuck didnt Reggie Bush win the award when the Saints ABSO FUCKIN LUTELY carried the city of New Orleans after Katrina? I PROMISE you all, that had about 100 billion times more relevance than Matt Ryan.

lets see here. Reggie Bush = Black Matt Ryan = White.

you guys may want to come up with better arguments.

 

[shazam]

lets see here. Reggie Bush = Black Matt Ryan = White.

I don't understand what that means.

The only thing that I disagree w/ is that your argument is that Matt Ryan won b/c he was white. Even you said before that if Matt Ryan was black he would have won. I said before that Chirs Johnson should have won the award, but Matt Ryan won b/c of this reason, right place/right time.

 

[TwistofRKO]

You can't underestimate the value of the QB, especially drafting one 3rd overall. It signals a change in everything. The team is shaped around the QB, and in New Orleans' case, Drew Brees.

No award in the NFL is based solely on statisical performance.

 

[NSL]

I agree that Chris Johnson deserved it, but I don't think Matt Ryan didn't. Let me explain.

It doesn't matter that he's white. It does have to do with him turning around a team that was buried in turmoil, especially from the most important postion on the field. He also took them to the playoffs, and put on a good showing there.

Another reason, sadly, is politics. He was a higher draft pick, so of course he'd get the edge in a close vote. I don't remember exactly what the voting was, but in my opinion, it came down to him and Joe Flacco.

 

[legendofwrestlemania]

The difference between Ryan and Flacco was Flacco came into a team with a tremendous defense in the Baltimore Ravens that only needed a QB to become a legitimate championship contendor. If you count playoffs too then Baltimore beat Tennessee and Atlanta was out in the first round and Flacco would have won the award but its not its a regular season award. Yes Matt Ryan had a great Runningback in Micheal Turner. Yes he had a Pro Bowl WR in Roddy White and a great O-Line. But you know what else he had. A terrible defense and a rookie head coach. He was coming into a extremely high pressure situation with Vick being Atlanta's franchise and a face of the NFL and coming in and replacing him. Not to mention Atlanta being next to Miami the leagues worst situation coming into the season and the success Ryan had was remarkable. Hell you wanna talk runningbacks Matt Forte deserved it more than Johnson. Forte led the Bears in receiving and rushing. That's impressive considering they have no QB or good WR's so all the focus was on Forte. Johnson had another good runningback in LenDale White helping him with carries, a great defense, and an experienced QB. Oh and one of the leagues best coaches. Johnson had it easy. Ryan triumphed over adversary.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

The only thing that I disagree w/ is that your argument is that Matt Ryan won b/c he was white. Even you said before that if Matt Ryan was black he would have won.

No offense, but if Matt Ryan were black, he never would've been drafted to Atlanta. Mike Vick messed up Atlanta by way of the Off the Field issues so much that they never want to see another Black QB (starting) as long as they're a franchise, or until Vick returns else-where and changes strips to show hes reformed.

Ryan did deserve an award, but not ROY. His numbers weren't out-standing, and anyone in this thread arguing that he lead them to the Playoffs needs to jump off Matt's dick right now and look at some other stats, namely that of the newly acquired RB Micheal Turner. He was one of the leagues best rushers last year, and Atlanta was the SECOND best rushing team in the entire N.F.L behind New York Giants, and just ahead of Carolina. (had to get that in there) Tennessee was 7th all time in rushing, last year - lead by Chris Johnson.

Meanwhile, as for Passing the Atlanta Falcons were 14th overall, with Ryan's numbers being shown to you by NorCal in the first post. You connect those two alone, and it shows you.. as well as everyone else fighting that Ryan deserved it over Johnson, due to leading his team to the Playoffs that that's bullshit.

Ryan didn't lead his team to anywhere. Ryan handed the ball to a black RB with fresh legs, by the name of Turner, who ran his team single handedly into the Playoffs.

Oh.. still on the passing phase of things, Tennessee.. 27th for passing, which means outside of their Defense.. it was their 7th ranked rushing attack, lead by Chris Johnson, that also ran them to the best record I believe they've ever held and a Playoff spot. (not for nothing, it also lead them to a Playoff loss when Johnson got injured and was unable to return - yet Ryan lead his team everywhere in the Playoffs when Turner was shut down, didn't he. )

I said before that Chirs Johnson should have won the award, but Matt Ryan won b/c of this reason, right place/right time.

I think you meant to say, "right race/right crime."