Let's Get It Out Of The Way

[Psykohurricane55]

The sooner they get this over with, the better. I wanted them to get it over and done with at Summerslam. It's not fair to the other deserving main event level guys to be stuck for an entire year just so Roman Reigns can get YET ANOTHER unnecessary "crowning achievement". They could still do it without the Universal Championship. Strowman should have won at No Mercy, heck Joe could have won at Great Balls Of Fire. This nonsense of Lesnar holding the title hostage just so Reigns can "save us" is one of the worst ideas WWE has had in recent memory. Quite simply, the red brand's main event tier is going to suck this entire schoolyear due to none of them having anything relevant to do. Thanks goodness we still have Raw's women's division and the tag team division to watch. And Smackdown.

Quick question, what raw main event talent are you talking about? Right nnow, te main event level talent on the red brand is pretty much strowman, reigns and lesnar when he's there, everybody else are mostly upper midcard guys or mid card guys.

But I agree with you on something, strowman should have won at no mercy, the way you could have done the rematch at either survivor series or royal rumble and in the meantime you have somebody that can defend the belt.

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

I am fine with it. Just cant grasp how having Brock as Champ for a year and then have Reigns as Champ for a while(he probably wont lose it until bigger PPV) benefits anybody. I would do it different. Have Reigns costing Brock championship(was good opportunity on Summerslam for that). After a while have Brock atack Reigns and cost him a chance for same championship. Have Reigns go livid on Brock ala Strowman in weeks before Mania. Dont think anyone but smarks would have a problem with that and you could maybe even get Reigns cheered in process of destroying Lesnar. Would get them a match and championship would be free for some other feuds like maybe Balor vs Strowman or Joe. But hey, WWE logic says otherwise.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

I am fine with it. Just cant grasp how having Brock as Champ for a year and then have Reigns as Champ for a while(he probably wont lose it until bigger PPV) benefits anybody. I would do it different. Have Reigns costing Brock championship(was good opportunity on Summerslam for that). After a while have Brock atack Reigns and cost him a chance for same championship. Have Reigns go livid on Brock ala Strowman in weeks before Mania. Dont think anyone but smarks would have a problem with that and you could maybe even get Reigns cheered in process of destroying Lesnar. Would get them a match and championship would be free for some other feuds like maybe Balor vs Strowman or Joe. But hey, WWE logic says otherwise.

Right now, i think WWE is only looking at the bottom line or what makes them money which is something that we as fans don't really look at when we discuss wrestling.

While a portion of the fans don'T like reigns and think that Lesnar isn't working as a part time champion, it doesn't change the fact that these 2 are money for WWE right now and that's pretty much the biggest match that they have for the championship. Strowman, while i i'm a fan of the guy, Isn't ready quite yet for to be the guy on raw. He got a lot of potential if they continue to push him the way they are doing and he got a lot of years in front of him to become a main event talent. Don't rush him to the title picture because if you push him to fast then he's going to crash and burn like so many other before him.

The weird thing about today's wrestling fans especially the hardcore's is that they don't have the patient anymore to wait for the slow build and they always want something new. The times where you could have somebody slowly climb the ranks to become a main eventer is over. Now you have to give what i like to call ''the crash and burn'' push and that's why WWE hasn'T been able to create new main event superstars because as soon as they get somebody to that level, the fans turn on him and jump to the next big thing.

Reigns is one of those rare guy that they put a lot of effort into getting to the main event level and it shows because he feel like a main event guy. Strowman right now feel like big show when he started in WCW and was put right away in a feud with Hogan. A big guy that's still green but got a lot of potential to become a main event monster.

Personally what i would do is send him to smackdown and just start destroying everybody down their for a couple of months. Have him wrestled Aj styles maybe for the u.s title. Have him destroy baron corbin, then have him dominated and win the rumble and then put him in a title match against John Cena at mania. So that way Strowman will learn a lot from the veterans and get a bigger rub from beating Cena at mania then if he went over Lesnar because let's face it, those 2 don't have any chemistry between them and if their match at no mercy is any indication, a strowman/lesnar rematch isn't worth being on wrestlemania. You're better off with Reigns and Lesnar because both guys knows what it take to have a great match and they have chemistry in the ring.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Quick question, what raw main event talent are you talking about? Right nnow, te main event level talent on the red brand is pretty much strowman, reigns and lesnar when he's there, everybody else are mostly upper midcard guys or mid card guys.

Strowman, obviously. He should be the Universal Champion right now.

Then we have Samoa Joe once he gets back from his knee injury. He should get another shot.

Finn Balor is a former Universal Champion. He, alongside Strowman, is one of those who are being hurt so long as there is a fixed point in time that for whatever reason cannot seem to be changed, of Reigns VS Lesnar for the Universal Championship, at Wrestlemania. What's he supposed to do between then and now? Be stuck in filler feuds all year? By the time the Bray feud is over he deserves a shot more than anyone at this point. Cruiserweight and Intercontinental would be a demotion for him as he is above both at this time.

Reigns has been addressed. He's booked into the top tier whether those who dislike him want him to be or not. Same goes for Lesnar when he is present. As well as Cena when he's present and I'm a Cena fan so I have never had many issues with his booking.

Then there's Rollins and Ambrose. They won't be Raw Tag Team Champions forever. Both are former World Champions. In Rollins' case he is a former multi time World Champion. Their popularity and skill justifies them being in the main event level. Especially Rollins! He should be the one getting Reigns' push.

Last but not least we have Bray Wyatt. I know. He is admittedly a stretch, but as a former World Heavyweight Champion he should get another world title shot at some point. Unlike the rest of the guys I've listed it wouldn't hurt Bray much to be "stuck" all year. He rarely wins the big one anyway.

My point is.... Multiple stars are getting hurt by Vince's stubbornness with Reigns and Lesnar here. If the match HAS to happen at Wrestlemania it should be non-title. That way Strowman could defend against guys like Balor, Rollins, Joe, Bray, and more. Give the guys who deserve a shot a goal worth aiming for. An intercontinental Championship shot would be a demotion for anyone I just listed. When Seth and Finn got put into that Intercontental Championship contendership match a while back they felt incredibly out of place there. Why is that? They are above the midcard. Main event level guys don't belong in the midcard, nor should they be stuck for that matter.

But I agree with you on something, strowman should have won at no mercy, the way you could have done the rematch at either survivor series or royal rumble and in the meantime you have somebody that can defend the belt.

I would be fine with a Strowman VS Lesnar rematch if Strowman had won. They could have done it at Survivor Series with Strowman still winning. They had the perfect chance to make a new monster star and they missed it.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

I would be fine with a Strowman VS Lesnar rematch if Strowman had won. They could have done it at Survivor Series with Strowman still winning. They had the perfect chance to make a new monster star and they missed it.

I don't think they miss the chance to make a new monster star by having him lose to Lesnar at no mercy, i would have been nice to see him win the title but let's face it, he would have just be a transitional champion until Lesnar came back and won the title back from him at either Survivor series or royal rumble.

I think that Strowman as a lot of upside but while he's over right now, he's still kind green in the ring right now and he does need more seasoning. The guy has only been a wrestler for 2 or 3 years now and he's not ready to have a whole show revolve around him. He's pretty much what The Big Show was when WCW put him in the main event picture in his debut.

WWE want to create Main Event stars that will bring them money for a long time and not just flash in the pan which will probably be the case with Strowman if they push him to quickly.

Reigns while not the choice of the hardcore's to be a in yet another mania main event, is pretty much the biggest match they can do they will be over with the casual fans because these 2 will have a really great fight that will entertain fans while Strowman and Lesnar just don't mix well and as we saw at No mercy, it make for a chitty match plus for the first time since he started on the Raw roster last year, Strowman lost pretty much all fans support from the time he came down to the ring all the way to the end of the match, so i get why they didn't call a audible at No mercy and gave the belt to Strowman.

You need to play the long game with strowman if you want to create the next big monster main event star, if you go with the ''Crash and burn'' push like a lot of the hardcore's want, that'S where they will screw it up. Let him get more experience with his character and in ring work and then when he'S ready give him the belt and let him run with it. Personally, if i was them, i would stick with the reigns winning the title a mania, then have Strowman dethrone reigns at Summerslam in a convincing matter and you will have a even bigger main event stars that way then just rush into his big push and he fails.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I don't think they miss the chance to make a new monster star by having him lose to Lesnar at no mercy, i would have been nice to see him win the title but let's face it, he would have just be a transitional champion until Lesnar came back and won the title back from him at either Survivor series or royal rumble.

I disagree with this. Here is the problem. Lesnar does not need the Universal Championship. Let me repeat that. Lesnar. Does. Not. Need. The. Universal. Championship. He will be a final boss type of monster to anyone no matter what he does. The title should have gone to Strowman or Joe since they benefit more from it, as do the full-time challengers. Lesnar should not win it back if he were to lose it between now and Wrestlemania.

Reigns while not the choice of the hardcore's to be a in yet another mania main event, is pretty much the biggest match they can do they will be over with the casual fans because these 2 will have a really great fight that will entertain fans

I'm not saying don't have the match. I actually agree with the idea of the match, just not for it being a title match. You could have something much better like Seth Rollins getting the Universal Championship match against another full-time guy like Strowman. Reigns VS Lesnar at Wrestlemania due to their history as Undertaker opponents works fine and yes it is something that is justified in happening. It just doesn't NEED the top prize in order to work as a match. Why waste putting the title into a feud that DOES NOT NEED IT, when they can just as easily make another world title feud? That is what would be best for business.

Personally, if i was them, i would stick with the reigns winning the title a mania, then have Strowman dethrone reigns at Summerslam in a convincing matter and you will have a even bigger main event stars that way then just rush into his big push and he fails.

I'd rather Lesnar loses the title before Wrestlemania. Reigns having it all summer would make for a rather boring summer. Especially if they have Reigns go over Rollins and/or Ambrose afterwards. Like I said in my previous post. I'll stick to the women's division and the tag team division for now as far as the red brand is concerned because the main event is going to suck for the next two semesters unless plans change.

 

[ShinChan]

while Strowman and Lesnar just don't mix well and as we saw at No mercy, it make for a chitty match

Wow. A 9 minutes match and you say that Lesnar & Strowman don't mix well? Booking has no fault, right? A monster is defeated by 1 F-5. The Top Title match isn't even 10 minutes long. How can you judge that they don't mix well even when Strowman and Brock weren't given enough time? Was there some botches that made you think so? Don't accuse the talent when the booking isn't right.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Wow. A 9 minutes match and you say that Lesnar & Strowman don't mix well? Booking has no fault, right? A monster is defeated by 1 F-5. The Top Title match isn't even 10 minutes long. How can you judge that they don't mix well even when Strowman and Brock weren't given enough time? Was there some botches that made you think so? Don't accuse the talent when the booking isn't right.

The booking might not be right but if you're a good wrestler, you can make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Look at the joe/lesnar match. Those guys had almost the same booking as strowman and lesnar, the difference is joe and lesnar had chemisry and knew how to take advantage of the little time they had for the match and it made for a really good match even if it was a really short match,

Strowman wasn't able go do that with lesnar. You can blame the booking all you want but it's on the performers to do some great with the bad booking. Strowman showed that he isn't ready for a top spot and that showed in that match with lesnar.

 

[ShinChan]

The booking might not be right but if you're a good wrestler, you can make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Really? Let's take examples. Was Roman Reigns Vs. The Undertaker good? Was Roman Reigns Vs. Triple H good? Both matches got 20+ minutes. Were they classics? Could Roman Reigns make salad out of shit? And we know that Roman Reigns is a good wrestler. So, how Roman Reigns is bad and how Strowman is bad?

Look at the joe/lesnar match. Those guys had almost the same booking as strowman and lesnar, the difference is joe and lesnar had chemisry and knew how to take advantage of the little time they had for the match and it made for a really good match even if it was a really short match.

Same booking? Braun Strowman was booked as monster before the match and he lost with a single F-5. If Brock Lesnar and Braun Strowman don't have chemistry, the match at Summerslam won't be as good as it was.

Strowman wasn't able go do that with lesnar.

And how do you know that? Did he botch? Did he commit a mistake while wrestling?

You can blame the booking all you want but it's on the performers to do some great with the bad booking.

Don't blame the talent when the booking is bad. I already gave examples above which nullify this point.

Strowman showed that he isn't ready for a top spot and that showed in that match with lesnar.

Again. How? What mistake did he commit that made you think that he isn't ready for top spot?

 

[mkw1962]

Just as you said it is going to happen at Wrestlemania 34, Roman will slay the Beast and the Beast will go away for good. Brock's contract is up after WM 34 and he is not going to resign.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Really? Let's take examples. Was Roman Reigns Vs. The Undertaker good? Was Roman Reigns Vs. Triple H good? Both matches got 20+ minutes. Were they classics? Could Roman Reigns make salad out of shit? And we know that Roman Reigns is a good wrestler. So, how Roman Reigns is bad and how Strowman is bad?


Same booking? Braun Strowman was booked as monster before the match and he lost with a single F-5. If Brock Lesnar and Braun Strowman don't have chemistry, the match at Summerslam won't be as good as it was.


And how do you know that? Did he botch? Did he commit a mistake while wrestling?


Don't blame the talent when the booking is bad. I already gave examples above which nullify this point.


Again. How? What mistake did he commit that made you think that he isn't ready for top spot?

Don't want to argue about this for ever so i will only said this,

First of all, yes the reigns vs HHH and Reigns vs taker weren'T classics, i didn't expect them to be considering the fact the ages of the performers that roman reigns was facing. The HHH match was booked to make HHH look good like pretty much all his matches he's had since taking is semi retirement and Taker wasn't able to go, Reigns try the best he could to carry taker to a good match but taker couldn't follow reigns. Yet both matches we're better then the Strowman vs Lesnar match,

Second of all, watch how Joe was booked before facing Lesnar, he was booked like a destroyer, somebody that didn't care who he beat up, now look at Strowman, build as a monster that would destroy everything in his path, sound familiar. The difference between the 2 is that Joe has experience and Strowman doesn't. Joe is ready for the main event picture, strowman is pretty much the new version of Ryback.

They really need to learn from the mistakes they did with Ryback when they decided to push him to quickly into the title picture. Strowman has a lot of potential to be that next super monster guy but they have to play the long game with him and not use the crash and burn push they have a tendency to use with big man like strowman.

Also, if you look at both matches, the Joe/Lesnar match and the Strowman/Lesnar match, their another difference that you have between the 2 matches, Joe was able to keep the fan reacting to the match even through they knew that he was going to lose, he makes them believe that he had a chance, with Strowman, for the first time since he jump to Raw and attach a rocket to his back, the crowd couldn't care less about him. That's saying something.

Finally, in case you didn't notice, the reason that the summerslam match was as good as it was, it'S because strowman had three other guys to help him get through the match, all he had to do was his big spot that he knows how to do and everybody else could do the rest.

In the end, i'm not saying that Strowman shouldn't be a top guy, because he will, i'm just saying that he's not on Lesnar'S level yet and it showed with his match last month. You can blame booking all you want i don't care, but in the end, it's the talent that go out their and wrestle the match and if the matches isn'T good, that's on the talent not the agent that booked the match.

 

[JoeMallard]

Don't want to argue about this for ever so i will only said this,

First of all, yes the reigns vs HHH and Reigns vs taker weren'T classics, i didn't expect them to be considering the fact the ages of the performers that roman reigns was facing. The HHH match was booked to make HHH look good like pretty much all his matches he's had since taking is semi retirement and Taker wasn't able to go, Reigns try the best he could to carry taker to a good match but taker couldn't follow reigns. Yet both matches we're better then the Strowman vs Lesnar match,

Second of all, watch how Joe was booked before facing Lesnar, he was booked like a destroyer, somebody that didn't care who he beat up, now look at Strowman, build as a monster that would destroy everything in his path, sound familiar. The difference between the 2 is that Joe has experience and Strowman doesn't. Joe is ready for the main event picture, strowman is pretty much the new version of Ryback.

They really need to learn from the mistakes they did with Ryback when they decided to push him to quickly into the title picture. Strowman has a lot of potential to be that next super monster guy but they have to play the long game with him and not use the crash and burn push they have a tendency to use with big man like strowman.

Also, if you look at both matches, the Joe/Lesnar match and the Strowman/Lesnar match, their another difference that you have between the 2 matches, Joe was able to keep the fan reacting to the match even through they knew that he was going to lose, he makes them believe that he had a chance, with Strowman, for the first time since he jump to Raw and attach a rocket to his back, the crowd couldn't care less about him. That's saying something.

Finally, in case you didn't notice, the reason that the summerslam match was as good as it was, it'S because strowman had three other guys to help him get through the match, all he had to do was his big spot that he knows how to do and everybody else could do the rest.

In the end, i'm not saying that Strowman shouldn't be a top guy, because he will, i'm just saying that he's not on Lesnar'S level yet and it showed with his match last month. You can blame booking all you want i don't care, but in the end, it's the talent that go out their and wrestle the match and if the matches isn'T good, that's on the talent not the agent that booked the match.

Reigns wasn't ready for Lesnar yet got handed Survivor series, Rumble and Mania main event, I think he's turned out all right.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

Reigns wasn't ready for Lesnar yet got handed Survivor series, Rumble and Mania main event, I think he's turned out all right.

yes but Reigns had more in ring experience then strowman plus how much better he got after that Lesnar match, they knew he wasn't ready for the title and waited a couple of months until they felt he was ready for to actually win the belt.

 

[ShinChan]

Don't want to argue about this for ever so i will only said this,

First of all, yes the reigns vs HHH and Reigns vs taker weren'T classics, i didn't expect them to be considering the fact the ages of the performers that roman reigns was facing. The HHH match was booked to make HHH look good like pretty much all his matches he's had since taking is semi retirement and Taker wasn't able to go, Reigns try the best he could to carry taker to a good match but taker couldn't follow reigns. Yet both matches we're better then the Strowman vs Lesnar match,

Second of all, watch how Joe was booked before facing Lesnar, he was booked like a destroyer, somebody that didn't care who he beat up, now look at Strowman, build as a monster that would destroy everything in his path, sound familiar. The difference between the 2 is that Joe has experience and Strowman doesn't. Joe is ready for the main event picture, strowman is pretty much the new version of Ryback.

They really need to learn from the mistakes they did with Ryback when they decided to push him to quickly into the title picture. Strowman has a lot of potential to be that next super monster guy but they have to play the long game with him and not use the crash and burn push they have a tendency to use with big man like strowman.

Also, if you look at both matches, the Joe/Lesnar match and the Strowman/Lesnar match, their another difference that you have between the 2 matches, Joe was able to keep the fan reacting to the match even through they knew that he was going to lose, he makes them believe that he had a chance, with Strowman, for the first time since he jump to Raw and attach a rocket to his back, the crowd couldn't care less about him. That's saying something.

Finally, in case you didn't notice, the reason that the summerslam match was as good as it was, it'S because strowman had three other guys to help him get through the match, all he had to do was his big spot that he knows how to do and everybody else could do the rest.

In the end, i'm not saying that Strowman shouldn't be a top guy, because he will, i'm just saying that he's not on Lesnar'S level yet and it showed with his match last month. You can blame booking all you want i don't care, but in the end, it's the talent that go out their and wrestle the match and if the matches isn'T good, that's on the talent not the agent that booked the match.

So you mean to say that Strowman isn't good enough to have a good match on his own and therefore he was helped by the other three wrestlers at Summerslam? This point is moot because he has had multiple entertaining matches until now and most of them are singles matches.

About Roman Reigns Vs. Triple H, Dean Ambrose had a better match with the same person than Roman Reigns did at Wrestlemania. The point was that you can't make salad out of shit. At least not everytime.

About Joe & Braun Strowman. Did Joe lay out Brock Lesnar multiple times like Strowman did? Obviously, Samoa Joe is a better wrestler than Strowman but I've yet to get how Strowman isn't ready to be in the main event even after getting gradually built up instead of forced straight to the main event scene.

Ryback didn't perform this good in his initial year, did he? So, he isn't similar to Braun Strowman. Ryback was in the title match just after 6 months of his debut. Just 6 months. Braun Strowman was never forced. Never, at least until now.

Plus, I'm in a favor of a champion that actually defends at every PPV instead of the lazier one who does it just 3 times in his 6 month long reign. Braun Strowman should've defeated Brock Lesnar.

 

[Navi]

So you mean to say that Strowman isn't good enough to have a good match on his own and therefore he was helped by the other three wrestlers at Summerslam? This point is moot because he has had multiple entertaining matches until now and most of them are singles matches.

About Roman Reigns Vs. Triple H, Dean Ambrose had a better match with the same person than Roman Reigns did at Wrestlemania. The point was that you can't make salad out of shit. At least not everytime.

About Joe & Braun Strowman. Did Joe lay out Brock Lesnar multiple times like Strowman did? Obviously, Samoa Joe is a better wrestler than Strowman but I've yet to get how Strowman isn't ready to be in the main event even after getting gradually built up instead of forced straight to the main event scene.

Ryback didn't perform this good in his initial year, did he? So, he isn't similar to Braun Strowman. Ryback was in the title match just after 6 months of his debut. Just 6 months. Braun Strowman was never forced. Never, at least until now.

Plus, I'm in a favor of a champion that actually defends at every PPV instead of the lazier one who does it just 3 times in his 6 month long reign. Braun Strowman should've defeated Brock Lesnar.

You are wasting your breath Kapu. He is a Roman Reigns fan and that's the whole story. Reigns wasn't ready for the main event when it was handed to him, but some forget about that. So let Reigns have the title at Mania, get the match with Lesnar over and done with and hopefully it will be the end of it.

After that we can all start going to bed early, as Reigns will main event every RAW from there on in and I won't have to watch the whole show. Yes that's how much I dislike the guy. He is boring and lacking in charisma department and not someone I want to invest my time in anymore. To his fans congratulations you are getting what you want. For others he is a guy is has helped ruin the main event scene on RAW for a year.

 

[Psykohurricane55]

You are wasting your breath Kapu. He is a Roman Reigns fan and that's the whole story. Reigns wasn't ready for the main event when it was handed to him, but some forget about that. So let Reigns have the title at Mania, get the match with Lesnar over and done with and hopefully it will be the end of it.

After that we can all start going to bed early, as Reigns will main event every RAW from there on in and I won't have to watch the whole show. Yes that's how much I dislike the guy. He is boring and lacking in charisma department and not someone I want to invest my time in anymore. To his fans congratulations you are getting what you want. For others he is a guy is has helped ruin the main event scene on RAW for a year.

First of all, while it's true then I'm a fan of reigns like many others are, I'm also a fan of strowman. I'm also a fan of not pushing somebody before he's ready. When they first started to push reigns with the first lesnar match and even with the hhh match the ear later, I wasn't a fan of reigns becase like many of you, I saw that he wasn't ready. But for the last year and a half, I saw him grow and finally found who his character was and with each and every great match he had, I became more an more of a fan of the guy because he proved that he can perform on a main event level each and every night.

Strowman is a great big guy, love what he's doing since he started 3 years ago, but I hate when they push somebody to the main event picture to quickly because they don't have anybody else to push. Strowman only has 3 years of experience in wrestling and he perform like somebody that only got 3 years of experience. The guy has unlimited potential and they need to let him grow instead of rushing it.

As far as having a part time champion instead of a full time champion. I don't mind it as much because I watching wrestling during the hogan era and hogan wasn't on tv everyweek so it bring me back to what I was use to when I started watching wrestling. Lesnar did mor for the credibility of the universal championship as a part time champion then owens did as a full time champion. I don't care who face lesnar at mania for the title but if he has to drop the belt you have to do it at mania because anything would feel like a waste of a big moment.

 

[ShinChan]

You are wasting your breath Kapu. He is a Roman Reigns fan and that's the whole story. Reigns wasn't ready for the main event when it was handed to him, but some forget about that. So let Reigns have the title at Mania, get the match with Lesnar over and done with and hopefully it will be the end of it.

After that we can all start going to bed early, as Reigns will main event every RAW from there on in and I won't have to watch the whole show. Yes that's how much I dislike the guy. He is boring and lacking in charisma department and not someone I want to invest my time in anymore. To his fans congratulations you are getting what you want. For others he is a guy is has helped ruin the main event scene on RAW for a year.

He actually lacks charisma. And what's mind-boggling is that I remember that you were a big Roman Reigns fan not long ago. I was too. Now, I've been turned off a bit. Because every possible rub has been given to him. And he still doesn't make me feel as if he's a star. AJ Styles is a bigger star without so many rubs.

Lesnar did mor for the credibility of the universal championship as a part time champion then owens did as a full time champion.

Yeah. 3 Title Defenses in 6+ months for Brock Lesnar. And Universal Championship is credible now? Kevin Owens was getting pinned by the midcard champion totally clean while he was supposed to be Universal Champion. Kevin Owens couldn't defeat Roman Reigns without any help from either Jericho or Strowman so how is Universal Champion supposed to be credible when he can't beat the midcard champion? Go on and tell me how Brock made it credible and Kevin Owens didn't. Booking has no effect here as well, right?

 

[Navi]

He actually lacks charisma. And what's mind-boggling is that I remember that you were a big Roman Reigns fan not long ago. I was too. Now, I've been turned off a bit. Because every possible rub has been given to him. And he still doesn't make me feel as if he's a star. AJ Styles is a bigger star without so many rubs.

I was a fan of Reigns when he was in the Shield, I was a fan of the Shield as a whole. My favourite out of the three was always Dean Ambrose but Reigns played his part well. The Shield as a group were booked perfectly, it wasn't until they split I realized why Reigns had been the silent one though. Ambrose and Rollins were solid on the mic and in the ring. Both entertained me immensely. Reigns on the other hand, even with all the rubs he has received, while he has gotten better, is no where near their level.

It might be because Ambrose and Rollins have more experience and know their way around the ring, whatever, it just seemed that Reigns was given everything on a silver platter whether he deserved it or not. The other two weren't given the world on a string, and they still managed to keep themselves more popular than Reigns. Just look at how Ambrose got himself over with really no help from management, and listen to the pop from the crowd when Rollins returned from his injury. The WWE missed the boat big time there but not turning him face.

I've never as a fan of wrestling for more than 30 years, seen a wrestler get the amount of rubs and chances to succeed that Reigns has received. It should be telling the WWE something that the only time he's been rounded cheered is when a Shield reunion is teased. I just wonder why it isn't.

And we have to stop acting like if Reigns left the WWE tomorrow they would fall apart and cease to exist, as I've heard many times that Reigns is the only one who is capable of carrying this company now. That is a flat out insult to all the other wrestlers out there that are working their butts off, doing the same schedule he is and not getting half what he does.

 

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I've never as a fan of wrestling for more than 30 years, seen a wrestler get the amount of rubs and chances to succeed that Reigns has received. It should be telling the WWE something that the only time he's been rounded cheered is when a Shield reunion is teased. I just wonder why it isn't.

As a fan of more then 30 years, i've seen some guys that have receive as much rubs and chances to suceed as reigns has receive, some are even hall of famers even through to some within the business say they don'T deserve that spot.

First one that come to mind is Sycho sid. Here's a guy that was suppose to be this big time superstar for them and they gave him chance after chance to be this big thing and for some reason he never went anywhere. Warrior could be have been so much more then he become, sure he'S a hall of famer now but did he truly succeed to the level they wanted him to succeed? Another one that comes to mind is Ryback, how many chances did they gave him to get over and it never truly took? Another 2 names that i just remembered, Lex Luger and Diesel.

Reigns, yes he's not everybody cup of tea, i get that. If he left, probably kids would just go their next hero but to say he didn't succeed his as big of an insult to him as somebody that would said that without him, the company would be in trouble because that not true and i get that. But they do rely on him more because he's the guy that's the runner up to Cena as far as kids are concern and that's a big demo for them especially as far as merchandise sell is concern.

The reality is, being a fan of over 30 years you can pretty much realise the same thing that i do, the wrestling business as chance since the time of Hogan, savage and company. Keyfabe is dead and now the internet and social media plays a big portion of how fans react to a certain wrestler. But at the heart of it all, they have many master to serve now and pushing reigns serves one of them like pushing owens and Aj Styles on smackdown serves another. Nobody is truly over now because you can't really please everybody anymore.
It's not like in the 80's when fans didn't care that this was fake and just wanted to get into what the performers we're giving them. Not, for most fans it'S all about them and what they want. It sad because that way, they can't really create any superstars anymore. Everybody will be at the same level so they are going to have to go with who makes them the most money and that'S why Reigns, Aj and Owens get the most merchandise because right now they are the guys that a lot of fans loves, they might not get Hogan or Austin Level ovations but they are still the top guys on the rosters.

As far as the shield reformation is concern, i think they really should have never broke them up in the first place because they always we're better as a unit then as single stars and this reformation is helping not just reigns but ambrose and rollins as well who really needed a jump start because both guys aren't working as single babyface star.

 

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I'm not saying don't have the match. I actually agree with the idea of the match, just not for it being a title match. You could have something much better like Seth Rollins getting the Universal Championship match against another full-time guy like Strowman. Reigns VS Lesnar at Wrestlemania due to their history as Undertaker opponents works fine and yes it is something that is justified in happening. It just doesn't NEED the top prize in order to work as a match. Why waste putting the title into a feud that DOES NOT NEED IT, when they can just as easily make another world title feud? That is what would be best for business.

See this I can get behind. Reigns beating Brock and sending him out the door is a fine story if they have to do it. But it doesn't need a championship. We get that Roman is a god due to all of the rubs he's received over the years. We don't need another WrestleMania championship main event. No one is going to think differently after it's over, we will just sigh in relief that we can go on to more interesting things creatively.

Goldberg vs Lesnar didn't need the title either. That could have been set up easily as Brock murdering him after eliminating him from the Rumble. Goldberg wants revenge and they have their match. Why did Brock even get a title shot anyway? I think he was just named number one contender out of nowhere. I get he's Brock Lesnar but I hate it when that is the reasoning.

Brock vs Roman will be a great match again just like it was before. But let it be just that. A special attraction. Bring AJ to Raw and have him win the Rumble to face Balor at Mania or just do something else with the Universal title rather than throw all the eggs into one match that everyone is heated about to begin with.