KOTR Tournament on RAW

[THe WHoLe FuCKiN SHoW]

If you read the article on wwe.com it mentions kennedy and finlay in the king of the ring tournament. im pretty sure the 8 guys that are pictured arent the 8 guys that are going to be in the tournament. obviously the case has already been made that none of them need to be the king of the ring and im not so sure the wwe has screwed this one up yet.

kennedy needs to win this thing and become king kennedy, which wwe.com specifically made a reference to. stone cold, the rock and hhh all won the KOTR as midcard heels before becoming superstar faces. this is where kennedys career gets back on track.

hopefully the wwe wont mess this up. if they dont it could be an awesome KOTR.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

From wwe.com, Next Weeks RAW Preview

It’s not known which Superstars will make up the tournament field, but be assured that the four men involved in the Fatal Four Way Match for the WWE Championship at Backlash – John Cena, John “Bradshaw” Layfield, Triple H and WWE Champion Randy Orton – will want to make their mark and gain momentum just days before their title tilt. A King of the Ring Tournament victory would do just that.

See, the 8 guys that are in the pic of the homepage arent the real competitors in the KOTR, it was just to advertise it. So what do you guys think now, personally they need to get the young guys in there such as Kennedy, MVP, Morrison, Benjamin, Finlay, Burchail, Carlito, Burke. There is no point in putting established main event guys such as HHH and Batista (God Help Us), they simply dont need it as they already have big match ups at Backlash.

Man do I hope that you're right. Lol. As stated above, I don't want to sit through 3 hours of the situation I wrote a few posts up...especially after such a solid Raw this week. This week is how they should be overall, in my opinion. Lots of action, not a lot of DQ/CO finishes, not a ton of promos, etc. I won't be able to sit through 3 hours of 5/8 guys losing matches from interference.

 

[Frank the Frowner]

I don't think the pictures are the people that are for sure going to be in the tournament. I wouldn't mind if it were true, but if you click on the article it mentions Mr. Kennedy, Finlay, and CM Punk as possible winners so who knows.

Quoted for re-emphasis. I don't think the WWE would be short-sighted enough to put guys like HHH, Batista, and HBK in the tournament. In fact, I don't think that anyone who has had a WWE/World Title recently would be in the tournament. I don't think Punk would be in either. He has the MITB. Here are the 8 I would put in.

Kennedy - He's been virtually non-existent since blowing his chance at being Vince's son. I think it's painfully obvious that they were planning very big things for him last year. He also has his share of backstage supporters. Kennedy winning the MITB would not only re-establish him as a borderline main-eventer, but it would give him an awesome new dimension to his character.

Morrison - As hysterical as he is on The Dirt Sheet, Morrison should be much more further along than he is right now. He's a great wrestler, who is incredibly fun to watch, but is also improving big time on the mic and as far as building his character goes. A KOTR win would also help build him big time.

MVP - He's on the cusp of being a main-eventer, and a KOTR win would put him over the top. The perfect KOTR is one who oozes arrogance (see: Owen, Booker, Angle), and he'd be the best choice in that role.

Burchill - I'm in the minority, but I'm a definite fan of Paul Burchill. I think he's got a great look, is better than average on the mic, is awesome in the ring, has a brutal looking finisher, and Katie Lea is smoking hot. Not even a KOTR win, but going far in the tournament would do wonders in elevating him.

Matt Hardy - He's over enough, and is a strong face to put in this tournament. Having him lose wouldn't hurt him in the least. Having him go far would only elevate him further.

Big Show - He would add legitimacy to the tournament, and when Khali inevitably interferes on his first round opponent's behalf, it would push that feud further.

Finlay - WWE really screwed him with the JBL feud, which is a feud he should have won to begin with. Finlay deserves to be in the upper tier for all the work he does in the ring, and behind the scenes as well. A KOTR win would be something a lot of people would love to see.

DH Smith - I think it's safe to say that WWE has dropped the ball with him so far. Of course, he hasn't exactly helped himself, but I think he's served his punishment, and it's time to start the push of the Canadian Bulldog, who has the potential to be WWE Champion by 2010. He's a great wrestler, and has the family lineage. Play up the fact that Bret and Owen both won the KOTR. Same as the case of Burchill. One win would definitely help get him over.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Well after finding out who the eight guys are gonna be, I'm no longer convinced this tournament is going to be worth a damn. It'll be stacked with big names, but it'll be full of no contests and run-ins to beat hell.

And whats worse is, the original rumor said the winner of the tournament was getting a gimmick make-over to become the next "King Bookah" type gimmick. Can you truly see anyone in this list (H.B.K., H.H.H., Y2J, Big Show, M.V.P., C.M. Punk, Umaga & Batista) truly changing gimmicks to something as pathetic as a "King?" No, the answer is no.

I think if they're gonna push a star out of this tournament, unfortunately C.M. Punk is the odds on favorite since the little bastard has that case. M.V.P. would be the heel favorite, especially if hes planned to drop the United States Championship to Matt Hardy.. it'd allow him to fall back on being a KOTR winner.

I might get my predicted Shawn Michaels v. Chris Jericho KOTR match after all, however I'm seeing Batista, Jericho & H.B.K. all getting screwed out of this tournament by the other 2. I can't see Umaga making it beyond the first round, same with Big Show, especially if Khali plans on looking like anything more than a scared giant. That leaves Triple H., Punk & M.V.P.

Would it shock me if Triple H. became the first ever 2 time KOTR winner? No. Do I wanna see it? NO!

W.W.E. has already dropped the ball by not including the likes of Paul Burchill, Shelton Benjamin & John Morrison. This could've been a true midcard tournament (like the KOTR was designed to be) to push and raise the next superstar to Main Event status. But noooooo they gotta put all big names in it, to have one show get a ton of ratings, and for what.. run-ins all night long and a screwed up finals match? Screw this.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

And whats worse is, the original rumor said the winner of the tournament was getting a gimmick make-over to become the next "King Bookah" type gimmick. Can you truly see anyone in this list (H.B.K., H.H.H., Y2J, Big Show, M.V.P., C.M. Punk, Umaga & Batista) truly changing gimmicks to something as pathetic as a "King?" No, the answer is no.

That's another reason why I'm really hoping that those 8 aren't the real participants, kind of like how they showed the "full Raw roster" with Jericho, Kennedy, and HBK on the front of the graphic but Orton & Cena didn't face those 3. The king gimmick could work with Morrison and Kennedy, as well as how they need a push. It could even work with Shelton, but I can't see why they would push him over M/K.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I sincerely think that as long as the winner wins clean, all the other screwjobs won't hurt legitimacy. The WWE is a what have you done for me lately company. So if the first six matches are all screwjobs, and MVP beats HBK clean, then cool, he's on top of the world.

And to whomever was predicting HBK/Batista in the first round....come on, they're not going to blow a PPV match in the King tourney. Which is why I agree now that the pictures aren't the participants.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

I sincerely think that as long as the winner wins clean, all the other screwjobs won't hurt legitimacy. The WWE is a what have you done for me lately company. So if the first six matches are all screwjobs, and MVP beats HBK clean, then cool, he's on top of the world.

And to whomever was predicting HBK/Batista in the first round....come on, they're not going to blow a PPV match in the King tourney. Which is why I agree now that the pictures aren't the participants.

The opening rounds will likely see something along the lines of..

Batista v. M.V.P.
Shawn Michaels v. C.M. Punk
Chris Jericho v. Big Show
Triple H. v. Umaga

Then the semi finals would work with..

M.V.P. v. Shawn Michaels
Triple H. v. Chris Jericho

Followed by a finals set-up with..

Triple H. v. M.V.P.

I'd predict this to happen because Batista will get DQ'd over M.V.P. in the first round, after losing his cool. Shawn Michaels will win cleanly over Punk, kinda like what happened with H.B.K. v. Benjamin in the Gold Rush tourney a while back.

Big Show will drop to a heel Jericho, after Khali interferes. And Triple H. will cleanly squash Umaga.

Shawn Michaels will drop to M.V.P. after the combination run-in of Batista and Chris Jericho cost him the match, while Shawn repays Jericho in the match against Triple H..

Thus setting up the Triple H. v. M.V.P. finals.. in which Randy Orton and J.B.L. will help M.V.P. win, by attacking H.H.H. and there you have it. 3-Hours of run-ins and shit. All leading up to disaster. M.V.P. deserves a lot of things, but hes already over.. this tournament was always designed to get you even more over, and into the Main Event level. Millions already feel M.V.P. has been on that level.

And all the rest already ARE Main Eventers, minus Punk.

 

[BDOG]

I think Jericho is the obvious winner here, he is already the KING OF THE WORLD!! he's the only one that could fit this gimmick... second bet, kennedy.. i feel wwe owe him after he was scheduled to have a world title run and his money in the bank was taken off him.. this could be a good start for a new refreshed MR KEEENNNNNNEEEEEDYYYYY..... KING KENNNNNEDDDDDDDY

 

[Fiction]

kennedy needs to win this thing and become king kennedy, which wwe.com specifically made a reference to. stone cold, the rock and hhh all won the KOTR as midcard heels before becoming superstar faces. this is where kennedys career gets back on track.

I just wanted to make a note here. The Rock never won a KOTR tournement. He once made it to the finals, but then lost to Ken Shamrock. The most notable winners have been Owen Hart, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Triple H, Kurt Angle and Edge (of course that's a matter of opinion). It also kinda marked the beginning of Brock Lesner's push to the top. Booker was already a main event guy, but the WWF had play that swerve because everybody knew Bobby Lashley was going to win, and WWF had to cover their arses by doing something completely illogical. Wins that didn't really translate into main-event guys were Viscera (maybe breifly) and Billy Gunn. I think that's everyone, if memory serves:
1993: Bret Hart
1994: Owen Hart
1995: Viscera
1996: Stone Cold
1997: Triple H
1998: Ken Shamrock
1999: Billy Gunn
2000: Kurt Angle
2001: Edge
2002: Brock Lesner
2006: Booker

 

[Montel_Vontavious_Porter]

If its the 8, that is in the picture on WWE.COM then i can see these matches happening.

I dont see Triple H winning, Orton or JBL will interfere in his match. Shawn Michaels, dont see him winning, but he possibly could make it too the finals. Batista, i can only see him gettin passed the first round(as i think he will vs. Umaga). I dont see the Big Show winning this.

So that leaves Jericho, Punk and MVP.

I think we will see Jericho vs. Punk in the first round, and i think Jericho will win after cheating or roll-up.

So IMO its out of MVP and Jericho, and i think Jericho will take the Crown, because i think he will be getting another title shot, sometime soon.

 

[Joehaha]

trying to understand wwes thinking and for me the only reason i can see for them having so many big guns in there is mvp will win, and then it would seem more of an achievment that he won a tourny with all the big guys in? but saying that then jericho would suit the king gimmick to a tee, BUT i would much rather see shelton, kennedy, mvp or morison get the push. especuialy kennedy as i think he would suit the king gimmick too, really dont know whats happned to kennedy these last few weeks either its pissing me off.

one final note, i missed raw so just wondering, are they turning jericho heel with the feud with hbk or did he come off as a face?
thanks

 

[Total Impact]

The only name I see winning this thing is Umaga as a “King Umaga” kinds of sounds right and I think the WWE would love to have the monster as champion as he is well popular right now and this could be the thing that puts him over the hump. CM Punk has the MITB, so he doesn’t need the crown, Triple H has won it in the past and is only for the WWE title, Big Show in a royal gimmick won’t work. HBK would be my pick so he can be a true grand slam champion, but with just a one week hype, I doubt he will get it. Jericho is out the door because why he my turn heel, I doubt the KOR will be his turn. Batista doesn’t need the title as he is already a main eventer. MVP would be great as KOR but he can do without the crown as his cocky me gimmick is good enough without putting the title KOR and he might Billy Gunn it. So I’m picking Umaga only because a royal Samoan gimmick would work for him. Now if Kennedy was in this, then all my chips would of went his way, but seeing as he is not, then I’m banking on UHHHH…..MA……GA!!!!!

 

[Canadian Knight]

i think it is a great idea! Wasn't it last year they had King of the Ring matches and only the final match at a pay per view? A tournament is good because you can see these wrestlers wrestle more then once in one day. And whoever wins it can give a nice story line like (a) make a heel more unlikeable like Booker (b) turn a face into a heel (c) make a face more likeable so someone comes and beats him up.

 

[a7xoff]

I really don't understand the point to this KOTR. I really don't look at the guys in it.
Y2J: Obviously getting himself into a feud with HBK

Umaga: Not doing anything, so could possibly win

HBK: Working a feud with two other people in this KOTR

CM Punk: Won the MITB match at WM, it'd be ridiculous for him to win the KOTR mainly cause no one really cares bout him...

Batista: Feuding with HBK

Big Show: Feuding with Khali

**HHH: In the WWE title match at Backlash. However he's my pick to win and really step up the King Of Kings gimmick.

M.V.P.: Feuding with Matt Hardy?

All of these guys really have things going on, some of which like HBK, seem to be long term. I'm not happy that Kennedy is not involved, and out of the 8 you have 2 SD guy, 1 ECW, and 5 Raw guys. I thought this was to see who was the best? Over half of the guys in this thing are from Raw. Might as well have made it a Raw exclusive and take out Punk for Kennedy, Batista for Orton, and MVP for Cena. Then you could have all the feuds in a giant cluster KOTR fest...

 

[kylexxx]

I may be wrong but I read somewhere that umaga is related to the rock, they are cousins I believe. Therefore umuga would also have royal heritage and could have a high chief type gimmick with a new manager or maybe take amardo off ecw and back with umaga and have dreamer or foley as the ecw gm.

I pick umaga or y2j

 

[ABS]

Let em get this straight first , does the winner of the KOTR get a title shot or something ? And this list looks shit ,whats the point of having ME in it , this was the perfect chance for Kennedy to get back to his game. Looking from the list if anyone other than MVP or Jericho wins it , it going to be dumb , I wouldnt mind Umaga.

 

[schaeffershawn]

I just wanted to make a note here. The Rock never won a KOTR tournement. He once made it to the finals, but then lost to Ken Shamrock. The most notable winners have been Owen Hart, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, Triple H, Kurt Angle and Edge (of course that's a matter of opinion). It also kinda marked the beginning of Brock Lesner's push to the top. Booker was already a main event guy, but the WWF had play that swerve because everybody knew Bobby Lashley was going to win, and WWF had to cover their arses by doing something completely illogical. Wins that didn't really translate into main-event guys were Viscera (maybe breifly) and Billy Gunn. I think that's everyone, if memory serves:
1993: Bret Hart
1994: Owen Hart
1995: Viscera
1996: Stone Cold
1997: Triple H
1998: Ken Shamrock
1999: Billy Gunn
2000: Kurt Angle
2001: Edge
2002: Brock Lesner
2006: Booker

just to note although it was not a PPV or a public thing. Bret won the 1992 king of teh ring one night tournament that was a houseshow so actualy he is the first and thus far only two time KOTR

 

[schaeffershawn]

also it would be a good for jericho if they move him to smackdown to fued with undertaker, batista and others. plus we could have a battle between him and edge over who is the heel main eventer. which could turn edge face, ala much like the christian cage kurt angel deal.

 

[hbk.is.the.best]

Who Ever this is wherever they r espascially in the mind of an aerage U.K. fan that Heel wrestlers deserve a greater push ( especially RANDY ORTON , who i view as amazing , i would donate some of my usless wages £240 a month working as a cleark ,with a £180 a month student loan , to pay 4 a £92 a week room , when i hav money i will invest in wwe , cause my grandmam used to watch it on occaision with "old skool", british wrestling on free television . So my loyalty is 2 WWE , i would die to create a better WWE 4 the young ones of the U.K. ( people i talk about r english(no E.U. taxes on farming , Unlike the rest of the U.K.), WWE helped me when i was young in 1998 , just B4 hand i tryed but failed 2 commit sucide , wwe as help reduce this with me , actually making freainads . In the past 5 years i hav only once tried 2 commit sucide .

In Short english terms " We the forgotton children , men and women of the U.K. thank the wwe , and all other wrestling premotions 4 giving us knowledge/ lige 8 years ago .
Me and at leat 4 freiands i know a said they owe their life 2 wwf/wcw/ecw combination , and i do 2>

This is what i think is going to happen:

match one: Umaga vs. Finlay (finlay via sheilegly)
match two: Chris Jericho vs. John Morrison (morrison via clean win)
match three: MVP vs. kennedy (kennedy via dq)
match four: Matt Hardy vs CM Punk (punk via mvp interferes)
match five: punk vs kennedy (kennedy via clean win)
match six: Finlay vs morrison (morrison via clean win)
match seven: Morrison vs kennedy (kennedy wins cleanly) KOTR

This would instantly put kennedy in the main event position like many of you said already. I think this would be the biggest push for kennedy and he could go on to win the title by survivor series. I really hopes this happens. I would be really thrilled if that happened.

Thoughs??

WHAT DOES YOU COMMITING SUICIDE HAVE TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POST AT THE TOP?!?!?!?^^^^^^^^

 

[Derf]

Ok, I didn't read a whole lot of the other posts, but from what I did see, your all still remonising about the recently discussed "KOTR vs MITB" and actually thinking the WWE will use this to push someone new into the spotlight. When you think about it, it's simple who is going to win: Triple H.

Now don't get me wrong, I am NOT a Triple H hater, and I don't think he gets everything. But they're gonna be playing the "King" deal, and Triple H is already the "King of Kings", they'll use this to simply push the King Gimmick, because when Backlash is gone and passed, I see it being Orton (C) and HHH feuding one on one for a while.

Either way, with the new way WWE is pushing people, no one is getting the push they need from this, it will only push someone who needs no push, ie Triple H.

EDIT: Had HHH not been on the graphic on WWE.com, I'd have not even guessed he was in it, and picked someone else. But can anyone see HHH losing in this thing?

 

[MrScott]

"match two: Chris Jericho vs. John Morrison (morrison via clean win)"


if a match were jericho was to lose first round, which i think would be a bad idea as it is, but if he did lose first round, it wouldn't be clean and more then likely him trying to cheat and getting caught. this way it could further his heal turn

 

[Father:_Polley]

ok, so its Batista Y2J and HBK (all in a feud together), Big Show (in feud with Khali), MVP (in feud with matt hardy), Triple H (in feud with Orton/JBL/Cena). CM Punk (who just won MITB) and Umaga are the only people who in theory won't be screwed by whoever they are in the feud with so most likely Umaga for the win in my view.

why bother holding a big reputation building event if you're going to put in the people who don't need it. This is starting to become more of a Backlash buildup event than a genuine competition

 

[Italian MVP]

Havent you guys read the RAW preview? The competitors arent announced yet, the 8 wrestlers in the picture was just to advertise the event, your taking it too far lol. The preview states Kennedy, Punk and Finlay as some of the names, so i doubt were going to see Main Eventers in the KOTR next week. i really hope Kennedy or Morrision wins, both of them need to get the spotlight, especially Kennedy, his been going on a down spiral ever since he got suspended.

 

[Straight_Edge_Mystic]

It seems that most are picking Mr. Kennedy to win this thing. Kennedy does need something like this to push him back up and motivate him to be at his best constantly, however I do not think it will go to him for the same reason John Cena is not WWE Champion, the movie that he is filming. No point to making someone the King if they're not going to be there to prove that they deserved it and/or "defend" it. I also do not think it will be used to give someone a title shot, it will just be used to push whoever wins into the main event picture, at least for a while. I highly doubt that any real big names will be in it as there would be no point to the KOTR as the big names like HHH, HBK, or Big Show have already proven that they are "kings" in their own respective manner. Thus, it will be used as a tool to push someone into the main event and build up others to that upper mid-card status. I do see some established midcarders in it, though, but only for name draw and in-ring talent to have some good matches.
My list is as follows:
CM Punk
MVP
Matt Hardy
Finlay
Umaga
Chavo
John Morrison
Shelton Benjamin
_______________
Finlay over Umaga
Punk over Chavo
MVP over Shelton
Morrison over Matt
_______________
Morrison over Punk
MVP over Finlay
_______________
and the final match, MVP over Morrison

My reasoning for MVP is that it is obvious that they want him in the main event and in the world title hunt and by winning KOTR, not only does he add another achievement, he gets into that main event slot he deserves. That King type gimmick could also fit him well, not that he changes his gimmick, but that it makes even more cockier and arrogant and even more hatable yet likable at the same time. MVP as King gives his claims as the best more merit and validation. Granted any of them could win it, MVP is one of the only few that I see is ready for that main event picture. He's reliable, great in the ring, great on the mic, and he is amazingly over. King MVP, I can smell it and it smells great.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

I can't see them having MVP win it, though, because he'll be losing the US title soon...to Matt Hardy, of all people.

If MVP wins and "solidifies himself as a main eventer", then loses his title soon afterwards to Matt Hardy, he'll look weak. I think MVP needs to lose the title, then get into a major feud with someone in the main event that can boost people up.

Plus, MVP has his own gimmick right now and its working. Kennedy doesn't really have a gimmick outside of being "a smart ass with a microphone", but they never give him the mic.

Still hoping for Kennedy or Morrison, and I can't see anybody else winning it besides those two. If someone else has to win it, I'd want MVP to, and if he can't, then Shelton...someone that can use it, as opposed to someone who is already in the main event or CM Punk lol.