Kane...What happened?

[Tastycles]

I've seen a few people in this thread seriously entertaining the possibility that it is Eddie Guerrero. Really? Do you honestly think that three years ago Vince said "Hey, Eddie, I've got a good idea, we'll fake your death, put you into hiding for a few years, and then in about 3 years we'll have a midcarder act in a cryptic fashion, and then you'll return. Don't worry about looking after the family, we'll get your wife to engage in an on screen relationship with another wrestler. Is that ok?"

Actually you're probably right, and at Summerslam I'll look like an idiot when Guerrero, Benoit, Crash Holly and Abraham Lincoln come down to the ring and attack Kane.

 

[daletango]

Man think someone hit on this much earlier, it is about the character he played in the movie see no Evil. I believe the burlap bag is holding that hook thing his character used. Maybe a part two is slated to be filmed.

The fact that the bag was green in similar colour to the clothes Jacob Goodknight wore and we hear WWE wants to make more films around the character says to me it will indeed be the hook.

I think the whole.. "is he dead or alive" angle is Kane finding it hard to distinguish between himself and Jacob Goodknight.

 

[Mr. Showtime]

It's pretty obvious that the mask is in the bag, and it's also pretty obvious that Kane's reffering to himself '' is he alive or dead?''. Didn't you notice that any time Punk got the better of Kane in their match last night that Kane looked as if he wanted to go for the steel chair, implicating that the old kane wouldnt have been as much on the beating end of CM Punk's assault.

This is an intresting storyline. Although I feel not enough was revealed tonight on who Kane is talking about. I also really wanted him to be apart of the GAB. Even though he doesn't have a match I wouldn't count out an appearance from Kane.

 

[familymark]

After watching a great Raw I now think he is talking about himself. I think he has the mask in the bag but dosent want to go back to wearing it so thats why he challenged punk to see if he could beat him without it. but since he didnt beat him my guess is that the unmasked kane is pretty much dead and that the masked kane will come alive.

 

[BrooklynBuc]

Here's my 28 cents:

Kane is definitely talking about himself. Think about it character and storyline-wise: Kane had lost three straight matches, from ECW the week before Vengeance when he lost to Mark Henry, then losing the ECW championship at the PPV, then to Batista in the Fatal Four-Way. All of them he was pinned by relatively weak moves. He snapped because he's tired of losing. He's tired of falling to lesser opponents and people not being afraid of him. (remember when The Miz guaranteed victory over Kane? Would he have even passed the old Kane in the hallway? Meanwhile Miz is STILL petrified of The Undertaker from the whooping he gave him two years ago) Kane's struggle is that the monster within, the real Big Red Machine, is dead because his intensity isn't there. The old Kane could kick out of the most fearsome of finishers. The old Kane would NEVER be the target in a Triple-threat or a Fatal Four-way. Kane is yelling "is he alive or dead" because he wants to know if the intense monster that destroyed people is really gone, (and will Kane be this shell of a man that has jobbed over and over again the past four years?), or is the monster still alive and able to come back and destroy everyone, which is what the mask symbolized. This could even lead to why the masked Kane won over the original Kane last summer.

I do think it's the mask and not Paul Bearer (why bring him back honestly?), not The Undertaker (the storylines are close but we've done this before) and it's certainly not Vince McMahon (another storyline is already going along with him). I think Kane will eventually put the mask and outfit back on, and become a dominant monster again, with maybe even a World Heavyweight Championship reign in there.

 

[MisterIsa]

I think you should all stick to your first two ideas. That of Undertaker or Paul Bearer, because 1. it is confirmed that Taker is supposed to return to the ring and 2. GAB from 4 years ago when Paul B. was "killed". I think what Kane is walking around with the urn that Paul B. was walking around with.

 

[Shocky]

Skullz hit on a good point that maybe it's Kane seeing into the future or something like that with John Cena. I think whatever these visions are will eventually lead to a full fledged heel turn and the mask being put back on him. Taking the Mask off of Kane was a mistake in the first place, and it only worked for about 9 months before he was made to look weak once again to the Undertaker. Since WM 20, Kane has been nothing. A heel turn, back into a monster would be ideal, and something that Raw is lacking at this point.

 

[PDecicco]

2 weeks ago during Raw's live discussion the beginning of the "alive or dead" thing I said this would be a perfect time for them to bring back masked Kane.

My idea at the time was Kane is having some sort of inner turmoil and is hearing voices. In his demented state he becomes more of a monster. As he continues to lose his mind he grows out his hair as he continues to go more wild.

Slowly we would be shown the idea that Kane is hearing his old mask talking to him...and it becomes obvious that Kane is becoming delusional.

That was my idea then...Now I've added to it, as I think I'm pretty close to what's going on.

Kane is wondering if his old self...his monster self...is alive or dead. He was more successful at that time. People feared him. And generally he just more relevant. So Kane keeps hearing "is he alive or dead".

At first he doesn't know what's going on, so he begins trying to find out if somebody else is alive or dead. Then he begins to wonder if he is, hense is the monster alive inside of him.

When he decides that the monster is alive he puts back on the mask and becomes a wrecking machine.

And the reason he is carrying the mask in a bag is he needs to hear what the mask is saying to him. That's how he functions, by doing what his old self, represented as the mask, tells him to do.

And is Paul Bearer could make an appearance in an attempt to guide Kane and Kane went ape shit on him, it would really help his psychotic monster turn around.

 

[Gifted Music]

All of these are valid points but remember this.. Kane exactly hasn't been booed out of the building yet.. And based on how everyone feels about the "Old Kane"... If Kane comes out wearing that mask and outfit, the crowd is more likely to erupt then boo. I'm not saying he CAN'T turn heel, i'm just saying they need to do it at the right time and put him with the right person for his first feud. In my opinion, if his first feud is with ANYONE other than The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Batista or John Cena, I don't see the heel turn working. CM Punk has been booed in his feud with Batista so I don't see Kane feuding with CM Punk as a way to get his heel turn over.

If theres ANY doubt as to the Superstar's popularity, I don't see how it'll work because the Old masked Kane is as beloved as the Deadman Undertaker.. Remember when the Badass Taker cameback at WM as the Phenom? That's the kinda reaction i'm expecting if Kane comes out with that Mask. If he was on Smackdown, i'd say immediately to feud him with Triple H or Jeff Hardy, since they're really the only ones who gets real Monster pops. But since he IS on Raw, i'd say HBK, Cena, Batista, or the Undertaker(since it's not confirmed he'll return to Smackdown).. I wanna see the Mask return... But if it does, its gotta be the right situation.


Personally, i'd like to see Paul Bearer return aswell IF Kane feuded with The Undertaker(unlikely)... They could play up the storyline that Undertaker tried to "kill" Bearer in 2004. Bearer could want revenge. But either way, Kane's heel turn with the mask can only work if feuding with the right guy, most likely John Cena.

 

[lostsoulforever]

I wonder how long this storyline is going to be allowed to brew.

What I think could happen is that Kane gets involved in a match on Sunday, and is interrupted by a video, or some sort of event in the arena, that would give some sort of clue as to what he's referring to.

 

[slickman123]

basically i think week by week were gonan see kane talking to himself and questioning the monster inside him till the point he snaps and the mask returns i hope they really make him unstopabble like getting wins over cena batsita e.t.c will really put him over and make him an indestructable force! i think kanes put over enough people in his career its time people repayed the favour as he tries to become a monster again

 

[TimAH]

If they are really going to put Kane back into the mask i think it would be great if they did something to explain him actually needing it. Like he can snap so much that he purposely sets himself on fire.

 

[tap-out]

If they are really going to put Kane back into the mask i think it would be great if they did something to explain him actually needing it. Like he can snap so much that he purposely sets himself on fire.

Great point! Probably the best in the thread. Everyone, including me, want to see the mask come back, but no one has had a good reason to wear it except for the fact to make him a monster heel.

I still think Paul Bearer could be put in this story to just blow the roof off with it. Think about it would be the perfect way for an idea to come together. This attempt at Kane wouldn't be half assed then, and it would almost be reminiscent off when he originally debuted with the Bearer.

 

[joshj 234]

I like what your thinking with him setting himself on fire... Here's what could happen Paul Bearer comes back at the Bash. (since that's where he was "Killed") That's the first part of "Is he alive or dead." Then Bearer tell Kane that he's not the monster that he use to be... That the old monster Kane is dead, and it's time that he needs to be resurected. Thus Kane set's himself on fire the mask comes back and Paul helps Kane go back to his old ways of destorying everything

 

[BigDaddyT]

I was bummed when he showed up with that friggin bag! I would've been a lot more interested if they would've drug the storyline out with some random attacks on some faces to build up heat. The bag sort've closes a lot of options. I'm probably speaking to soon though. We'll see how it plays out i for one think the Undertaker's Urn is in the bag.

 

[PDecicco]

I'm fairly certain that it isn't the urn. If I remember correctly the bag was almost flat while it laid at the side of the ring. If it was the urn we would have seen it's shape through the bag.

 

[andymcg]

I agree with the guys further up that said somthing along the lines of we need a good reason as to why kane has to be masked again. I mean alot of us wanted kane to be unmasked at the time because we wanted to see what was under the mask , the whole mystery of it is what made the masked kane so good.

i also agree with what the couple of guys are saying about bearer should come back and question the unmasked kanes abilitys , once bearer realises kanes strength has rapidly declined he could start to help remould kane into his once destructive self. he could perhaps go as far as him "re-living" the night he was "burned" , perhaps lock him in a casket and set him on fire or somthing so kane would realise how much pain and suffering he truely has been through. after kane has been burned in a casket or somthing keep him off tv for a week or 2 and then bring him back at the right time in a main event fued with the mask and a new outfit n have bearer help him. give him a main title and let him run loose ......

 

[TheOneBigWill]

While I wouldn't mind seeing it end up being Paul Bearer or the return of a masked Kane.. I present to you two negatives on why either would be back.

Paul Bearer: Last time I checked, his health wasn't exactly the greatest. Kane's heel turn is going to help him greatly, but allowing an over-weight, aging man who was and still is somewhat of a manager-like icon.. to return with or against Kane. Why?

Obviously Kane is furious that whoever this is, isn't 100% for being alive or dead and its driving him insane. So the question is, what does he want it to be? While he said on Raw he thinks he's dead, that doesn't really answer whether or not thats what Kane wants it to be. And once again, I find myself asking.. Why, why Paul Bearer? What can Paul do for Kane now? Short of bringing back an Undertaker v. Kane feud, I don't see a lot Paul can do for him.

Due to how Paul Bearer likely looks, a storyline revolving around Paul Bearer being Kane's manager is WAY out of the question. And a storyline revolving around Kane wanting his "Father" dead completely.. just doesn't seem like it'd be worth it.

Remasking: While the mask is symbolic, the overall question is will it cause us to forget the stupidness that Kane brought with him when he unmasked? Kane isn't Rey Mysterio. He doesn't wear multiple colored masks for all the children to go crazy for.

Kane's mask was apart of him, because of his debuting storyline of being horribly burnt in a fire. He unmasked and the moronic storyline of Kane's burns being a mental scar were completely stupid and destroyed any type of meaning the mask could've had.

So letting Kane return to the mask might give Glenn Jacobs another piece of merch. to sell, but I doubt it'll suddenly make everyone who's seen Kane without the mask suddenly forget what he looks like within a month or two.

Positives: Now then, while I'd love to see Paul Bearer return. I just don't have a positive for it other than to say, hes Paul Bearer.

The positive I do have, however, is that personally I feel returning Kane to a mask of some type would be a great thing. Not to attempt downgrading him back to his original self, but instead to evolve him into a different type of mask. Almost playing into a type of "serial killer" situation in which when he wears the mask, he isn't in control of himself. Now by all means that doesn't mean when hes mask-less that hes meant to be face.. but it does mean when he puts it on, he can't control what he does, and hes more unstoppable than before.

Final idea..

James Mitchell: If you want to restick Kane with a manager. Pick up the newly released free agent. Mitchell did wonders for Abyss. Hell, he even did a great job with Judas, and Judas sucked!

I believe Mitchell controlling Kane would be a great storyline, and it would be one that even Paul Bearer could return on later in time.. trying to get Kane to come to grips with being controlled.

 

[Canadian Knight]

Paul Bearer or Undertaker. That are the only ones it could be. It makes more sense that Paul is the one he is talking about because he is the only one who "died". But maybe it will see Paul come back and be at Undertaker's side, eventually, pitting Kane vs Undertaker. Or better yet, Undertaker and Kane as a tag team again. I must admit that this is interesting to see what will happen.

 

[falcons53]

I just posted this in another forum but I thought it made a little sense so I will post it here too. With Batista pinning Kane two weeks ago and attacking him last week, and with Kanes mental state being unstable, I can see Kane coming out and looking for revenge on Batista and costing him his match with Punk at the GAB. I think the WWE is trying to push that Kane will be taking orders from his mask (his former monster self). The mask will tell Kane that he is weak and has let Batista push him around in the past weeks. Kane will then interfere in this match and we'll end up seeing a Batista-Kane match at Summerslam. Possibly an Inferno match that will lead to Kane putting his mask back on because he will be burned by the fire? Just a thought.

 

[joshj 234]

I don't see the whole Batista angle... one He doesn't want to be out of the title picture... (a role which i think everyone is tired of seeing him.) And The wwe has been wanting to do a Batista Cena storyline for a long time. I still think that something needs to happen with Kane at the bash though... I know what I would like to see but who knows what creative is thinking...

 

[48.7 is Approximately 49 Times Better Than You]

I just posted this in another forum but I thought it made a little sense so I will post it here too. With Batista pinning Kane two weeks ago and attacking him last week, and with Kanes mental state being unstable, I can see Kane coming out and looking for revenge on Batista and costing him his match with Punk at the GAB. I think the WWE is trying to push that Kane will be taking orders from his mask (his former monster self). The mask will tell Kane that he is weak and has let Batista push him around in the past weeks. Kane will then interfere in this match and we'll end up seeing a Batista-Kane match at Summerslam. Possibly an Inferno match that will lead to Kane putting his mask back on because he will be burned by the fire? Just a thought.

That was actually an amazing thought. Amazing. When he laid his bag down, it was nearly flat, so it's most likely the mask. I think that we will see Kane in the dark, maybe a boiler room, throughout the Bash.. He will be asking, 'Is he alive or dead..?' talking about himself. Kane will look psychotic and be hearing voices. His mask is talking to him. It will be ordering him to be the monster he once was.. To get revenge on people.. We won't hear this, but Kane will explain it.. He will snap and listen to his mask.. Kane will cost Batista the win in his match, putting them in a fued. Kane won't wear his mask, because it would take away his control, but occasionally he is controlled by it anyway.. At Summerslam, there is an Inferno match between Batista and Kane.. Batista wins, badly burning Kane. The mask will say that Kane is week without him.. That he needs to let the monster out. Finally, Kane dons the mask to hide the burns and to become strong again. Instant monster! I hope that could happen.. =]

 

[MisterIsa]

Well, whatever the case I know in about 3 months or so the angle is going to involve the Undertaker. You know that it would be interesting to see if Kane turns heel and starts wearing his mask again, that Taker would come back at first as a face and then turn into a heel. Thus the BOD would return as the company's monster heel tag-team. Just a thought, because most people I know think that Taker as a face or speechless phenom has been played out for a very long time.

 

[slickman123]

Well, whatever the case I know in about 3 months or so the angle is going to involve the Undertaker. You know that it would be interesting to see if Kane turns heel and starts wearing his mask again, that Taker would come back at first as a face and then turn into a heel. Thus the BOD would return as the company's monster heel tag-team. Just a thought, because most people I know think that Taker as a face or speechless phenom has been played out for a very long time.

as cool as a heel b.o.d teams sounds u would need a huge face that is so over with the whole crowd e.g the rock and austin and im afraid the closest wwe have is cena and batista and the crowd would end up cheering undertaker and kane which wouldnt make them good heels! as cool as that would be

 

[phat_inallthegoodplaces]

i just posted this on a different thread that got closed, but i love the idea of the mask. kane has needs something to make him look better than funaki lately, and the ecw championship didn't help, due to wwe taking the extreme out of ecw and most fans not giving belts the respect they used to have. Bringing back the moster would allow kane to add the title to his resume (or at least a title match) and maybe hold it longer than a day, or however long he held the wwe title. and like i said in the other thread with abyss back on tna (or... at least making a PPV appearance), wwe needs an actual monster and not just a big guy with ring pyro and a white contact in one eye.