This is an interesting post, one person talked about Vince saying Paul, and of course Triple H was there and Paul is his real name, but we all know this is a story line and Vince said Paul for a reason. Eventhough Vince was hurt it was clear he was in no danger of dieing, so there's more to this then we expect. Could it be theres a third brother ? Or could it be The Undertaker reuniting with Paul Bearer and doing this things to the McMahon family. If this is an attempt to turn Kane as a heel, then they haven't learned there lessons. Kane is a character people like, even when he catches good old JR on fire, it is almost impossible to have the fans turn on Kane. It is good to see the WWE use Kane is a major story line again.
Kane...What happened?
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Monkeymania referred to Vince actually not breaking kayfabe when he called out "Paul... Paul..." At first we all thought he was just trying to sell the accident by calling out to HHH by his first real name. Now, that might still be true, but I think there is the possibly of him referring to Paul Bearer, as mentioned in the posts before mine. The other two options would be Vince himself or the Undertaker. I could see why Kane would be talking about the Undertaker, he's gone crazy about whether 'Taker's dead or alive before. He could've been talking about Vince, probably because Kane took him out.
simpsons_fanatic742
WZPC Intercontinental Champion
This is awesome, I love when the WWE does this. To be honest, I didn't once think about Paul Bearer and I'm still not sure why people think it could be him, I just don't see it. When I first heard Kane say that line, I thought Vince McMahon right away. It makes the most sense. Undertaker and Paul Bearer haven't been talked about in a long time so to just spring this on doesn't make alot of sense. I think it's about Vince and Kane wants to know if the "job" was done to McMahon.
Wait I just got another thought...Why would Kane ask if Vince is dead when Vince was talking after the accident? Clearly he was injured, but not dying. I'm just confusing myself now.
Wait I just got another thought...Why would Kane ask if Vince is dead when Vince was talking after the accident? Clearly he was injured, but not dying. I'm just confusing myself now.
Alright the more I've thought about it I've come to this conclusion- I have no clue whats going on but it can't be Taker because he's involved on Smackdown, can't be Bearer because why would they even do that?, and it can't be Vince because..well nobody cares about him. So its gotta be either someone we don't know or we're just forgeting about someone.
I know everybody thinks its Vince but why. But what connection does Kane have to Vince? None. The last time was at Survivor Series 2003 when he helped Vince bury Taker. I don't think its Vince. I bet its someone who has yet to debut.
Its vince mcmahon he is talking about because it makes sense. Kane could of tried to kill vince for some odd reason and wanted to know if he was successful. Being paul bearer wouldn't even make sense at all because taker "killed" him with cement on a episode of smackdown 4 years ago. Having kane psycho is great but he needs the mask back it added to the evil look. If kane has nothing to do with the vince thing this will be the stupidest storyline wwe can ever produce cuz none of it makes sense just like the "my son is a midget" storyline last year
CelticPride101
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well it mostly likley has too do with vince and i think kane will go on this big ass rampage and destroy anyone in his path like just squashing oppenents and then it would lead up too like "oh there is only one person who can stop him"= the undertaker so thats when the undertaker returns they have there little feud and raw becomes great because undertaker will be joining the brand well thats my idea of what i think will happen hopefully it does this could lead to a good storyline
I am starting to like this storyline but it has to make u wonder,
why Vince would call out Paul Paul, and we all know Vince hates when wrestlers break face....
So did some thinking and i must say that this has to do with Paul B and the Undertaker Vince and Kane. if u think about it there was talks to start a new ministery.
But if u pay close attention Vince was screaming for Paul infact he was calling for HHH
if u look closely u can see Vince reaching for HHH hand.... so no it is not Paul B.
so take it for what itis worth... this is the Hand of the Undertaker and Kane with Maybe Vince together in some way or another i have watched that clip over an over again and u can see Vince is calling for HHH... who knows lol
why Vince would call out Paul Paul, and we all know Vince hates when wrestlers break face....
So did some thinking and i must say that this has to do with Paul B and the Undertaker Vince and Kane. if u think about it there was talks to start a new ministery.
But if u pay close attention Vince was screaming for Paul infact he was calling for HHH
if u look closely u can see Vince reaching for HHH hand.... so no it is not Paul B.
so take it for what itis worth... this is the Hand of the Undertaker and Kane with Maybe Vince together in some way or another i have watched that clip over an over again and u can see Vince is calling for HHH... who knows lol
MarkMaddenSuperFan
Dark Match Jobber
The Kane heel turn was a joke. We've seen him as a "crazy" monster so many times now - no one cares. Did anyone else notice that his punches on Lawler looked pretty stiff? I saw Lawler covering his face on the ground.
lostsoulforever
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The Paul Bearer idea is an interesting one. It would mean Vince saying 'Paul, Paul' thinking he's seen Paul Bearer, then 'I can't feel my legs' because he is delirious.
But I don't see Paul Bearer returning any time soon, there doesn't seem to be any real reason for it. It would be very difficult for WWE to turn Kane or indeed Undertaker heel, because fans would be reluctant to boo either (particularly Taker of course).
In terms of Kane trying to kill Vince, the only reason I could see for it would be so that Kane, presumably alongside someone else, could assume control of WWE (or at least Raw). Explaining how that came to be would be a bit difficult I imagine however.
But I don't see Paul Bearer returning any time soon, there doesn't seem to be any real reason for it. It would be very difficult for WWE to turn Kane or indeed Undertaker heel, because fans would be reluctant to boo either (particularly Taker of course).
In terms of Kane trying to kill Vince, the only reason I could see for it would be so that Kane, presumably alongside someone else, could assume control of WWE (or at least Raw). Explaining how that came to be would be a bit difficult I imagine however.
I've always liked the Kane. Plus he's a Tennessee boy so I have to root for him.
In regards to the storyline, I love it. I like when Kane is involved in a major storyline, especially when he is back to being maniacle. Some of the best matches I have seen were the Kane vs. Shane feuds..the Ambulance Match in particular.
It sets up well for me since I got Raw Tickets for Knoxville here in a few weeks, the story should be going strong by then.
In regards to the storyline, I love it. I like when Kane is involved in a major storyline, especially when he is back to being maniacle. Some of the best matches I have seen were the Kane vs. Shane feuds..the Ambulance Match in particular.
It sets up well for me since I got Raw Tickets for Knoxville here in a few weeks, the story should be going strong by then.
incrediblesim
Dark Match Winner
It's a strange one. Looking at Kane's character in the past and it's not obvious who he was talking about. Vince?? I don't think so because even if WWE really wanted Kane to be at the centre of who tried to kill Vince then it's hard because Kane and Vince don't have a particularly striking history. Something along the lines of the return of The Undertaker is more possible. As someone suggested it could be like a "He is out of control- there is only one man to stop him," wouldn't be so bad. Kane is hard one to turn heel because fans know of his loyalty and his willingness to put younger guys over. But if he goes up against Taker the fans will always side with Taker. I think it will lead to Taker on RAW. Paul B could be involved somewhere in the story but a full return I don't think will happen.
Manjmonkey
Occasional Pre-Show
I dont think paul bearer is in the shape or feeling like coming back so my guess is that kane is the one who cause the stage to fall on mcmahon and for two weeks they've just left people wondering and kane is sick of it and wants to know is mcmahon DEAD OR ALIVE
DeadmanInc.
Getting Noticed By Management
It can't be Undertaker because he didn't "die" this time, he was simply fired. It would make no sense at all for him to "rise from the dead" when he didn't "die" in the first place.
Paul Bearer is interesting idea but I doubt it's him. This storyline looks like it's going to be one of the main event storylines. Would fans really care about Paul Bearer? Secondly, I remember WWE clarifying that Paul Bearer wasn't "killed" in the concrete crypt, just seriously injured due to the controversy surrounding it.
The most logical thing right now is the Vince McMahon angle. Shane & Steph have been rather secretive these past two weeks. Maybe Kane was the one behind the stage collapse and he wants to know if he got the job done or not.
The other thing that comes to mind is the whole Impostor Kane angle that flopped a few years ago. They axed the storyline prematurely because people just didn't care about it, especially after their horrible match. Maybe they're giving it a second chance? (I hope not.)
Anyways, I love it when WWE pushes Kane as an insane monster because he makes the role believable. I actually liked it when they unmasked Kane because he was psychotic. Everything he did was shocking and unexpected from Chokeslamming Bishoff of the stage, Chokeslamming Austin, and Tombstoning Linda on the stage. I hope this angle leads to a main event push for Kane. He has deserved one for a long time now and I think he should have gotten one when he was unmasked.
Paul Bearer is interesting idea but I doubt it's him. This storyline looks like it's going to be one of the main event storylines. Would fans really care about Paul Bearer? Secondly, I remember WWE clarifying that Paul Bearer wasn't "killed" in the concrete crypt, just seriously injured due to the controversy surrounding it.
The most logical thing right now is the Vince McMahon angle. Shane & Steph have been rather secretive these past two weeks. Maybe Kane was the one behind the stage collapse and he wants to know if he got the job done or not.
The other thing that comes to mind is the whole Impostor Kane angle that flopped a few years ago. They axed the storyline prematurely because people just didn't care about it, especially after their horrible match. Maybe they're giving it a second chance? (I hope not.)
Anyways, I love it when WWE pushes Kane as an insane monster because he makes the role believable. I actually liked it when they unmasked Kane because he was psychotic. Everything he did was shocking and unexpected from Chokeslamming Bishoff of the stage, Chokeslamming Austin, and Tombstoning Linda on the stage. I hope this angle leads to a main event push for Kane. He has deserved one for a long time now and I think he should have gotten one when he was unmasked.
This looks like it could be good, I didnt much care about Vince McMahons Limo explosion and I didnt much care about the stage collapse, but now I am interested, because lets be honest who suspected Kane (provided it is Kane after all), this could be yet more proof that the WWE is starting to shake things up, and it could be really good for Kane. Whatever some people think of his wrestling abilities you cant say that Kane isnt WAY over.
Whatever the storyline is at least it shows that WWE still has some love for the Big Red Machine, especially seeing how this angle took precedence over the main event this week.
I agree with Deadman Inc. Kane deserves a main event fued, and this could be it.
Whatever the storyline is at least it shows that WWE still has some love for the Big Red Machine, especially seeing how this angle took precedence over the main event this week.
I agree with Deadman Inc. Kane deserves a main event fued, and this could be it.
Umm, if I remember right, wasn't Paul Bearer last seen on WWE TV being buried in a block of cement? Could that be a possible motivation for Kane wondering if he is alive or dead? I kinda think its a gonna be someone completely different, if only for the fact that there is no established storyline with Kane/Vince, Bearer has been gone so long its not even relevant anymore, and as mentioned before, Taker didn't actually "die" this time before going on his break. Maybe Kane is really referring to himself, just in 3rd person, namely, the "monster" that he was for the first half of his career in the WWE...A dual personality kind of thing. Perhaps the Big Red Machine is gonna go nuts, put the mask back on, and have a huge push as the invincible monster he originally was, instead of the current tame Kane...So, essentially, he could be asking himself if the monster inside him is alive or dead...
smackdown27
Dark Match Jobber
One thing is for sure that The Undertaker is going to return to SMACKDOWN whenever he's ready because WWE is not going to finish his storyline with Edge with Taker at the loosing end.
If Kane really was referring to Taker, they would then take this angle to SMACKDOWN and finish it there and involve Edge and ultimately perhaps Triple H in it. If they do, the ratings would go through the roof.
I don't understand some guys here saying that Kane is not going to turn heel if he attacks Cole. I mean, Cole is the best announcer available and has always been a face with Tazz and later on JBL doing the heel commentary with him.
While Cole has always been the more enthusiastic announcer, the fans always liked J.R. better just because he has been involved in angles with Vince McMahon and others. Does Cole too need to join the Kiss My Ass Club to prove to some silly fans that he is better?
If Kane really was referring to Taker, they would then take this angle to SMACKDOWN and finish it there and involve Edge and ultimately perhaps Triple H in it. If they do, the ratings would go through the roof.
I don't understand some guys here saying that Kane is not going to turn heel if he attacks Cole. I mean, Cole is the best announcer available and has always been a face with Tazz and later on JBL doing the heel commentary with him.
While Cole has always been the more enthusiastic announcer, the fans always liked J.R. better just because he has been involved in angles with Vince McMahon and others. Does Cole too need to join the Kiss My Ass Club to prove to some silly fans that he is better?
Guys this is the WWE, Kane is not referring to VIncent, as they would not tip us off this early in the storyline. At first I thought the Paul Bearer remarks where plain silly, then if you place the clues together it is possible. I would not be suprised the WWE reveals a new monster, a brother to kane and the Undertaker. I am suspecting the person behind the Vince accident will be William Regal getting even for being fired as general manager of RAW.
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stuie123
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well, if you check percypringle.com (paul bearer's official site), he is dropping subtle hints, with "Sorry, but I can't answer that one. Interesting storyline, isn't it?" underneath of 2 pictures in which he is depicted as rising from the grave. so that storyline may just have partial pieces of truth behind it.
the undertaker/kane storyline would be, at this point in their careers, a great way for them both to retire, facing each other in a final match. however i don't believe either man is ready to retire just yet..
the trying to kill vince angle is a no brainer, the most basic storyline, but still it would be quite interesting.
the undertaker/kane storyline would be, at this point in their careers, a great way for them both to retire, facing each other in a final match. however i don't believe either man is ready to retire just yet..
the trying to kill vince angle is a no brainer, the most basic storyline, but still it would be quite interesting.
G
Golden Standard
Guest
I think this is a way to turn Kane heel again. Hopefully the mask can be put back onto him again and make him that dominate wrestler again. I would love to see Paul Bearer back in wwe. I doubt if this has anything to do with the Vince angle.
DeadmanInc.
Getting Noticed By Management
Putting the mask back on Kane isn't going to suddenly make him into the monster he was years ago, it doesn't have magic powers. Kane doesn't have the same physique anymore. He's become old and sluggish. Plus, there would be no curiosity about what he looked like. The mask worked back then because his face was "horribly scarred". Everyone knows what he looks like so there would be no point.
But I agree, the more I think about it, the more the Paul Bearer idea sounds possible. The falling camera incident during the CM Punk/Snitsky promo or the crazed "fan" backstage, there could be something "supernatural" behind all this. I still think the Vince McMahon storyline is the main cause for Kane's reaction on RAW but it's possible that Paul Bearer played a part in it.
I don't really think that the Undertaker is involved. Like I said in my previous post, he didn't "die" and he still has his feud with Edge to conclude. I don't think WWE is going to throw it away just like that after building up the feud for over a year.
But I agree, the more I think about it, the more the Paul Bearer idea sounds possible. The falling camera incident during the CM Punk/Snitsky promo or the crazed "fan" backstage, there could be something "supernatural" behind all this. I still think the Vince McMahon storyline is the main cause for Kane's reaction on RAW but it's possible that Paul Bearer played a part in it.
I don't really think that the Undertaker is involved. Like I said in my previous post, he didn't "die" and he still has his feud with Edge to conclude. I don't think WWE is going to throw it away just like that after building up the feud for over a year.
Really, Vince's *incident* might not even have ANYTHING at all to do with the whole Kane storyline. Vince's lil accident coulda been Regal tryin to get back at him for firing him. Makes sense. WWE could go in many different directions with this, that i cant even be sure wtf is goin on lol... i LIKE it! Sure seems like its workin too, 5 pages within 24 hours, and i know I for one sure as hell aint missin next week's RAW after seein all that happened at the end last night!
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
I dont think it has anything to do with The Vince angle at all really. I mean, he was obviously still alive when they took him out on a stretcher, and with all the face time of the mcmahon family on TV, if he was dead ("") then they would have said something to that effect. I honestly think he really may be talking about Noble 
. In any case, I am a fan of the heel turn. Kane is much better as the phsycho heel, and the character from the movie he played is an excellent direction to go. I think they should have him dragging around that huge ass meat hook, doing creepy shit. When you hear the sound of that hook, everyone needs to get fucking SCARED. Make him an extension of the movie character. They need top flight heel help on RAW, and this would do it.
. In any case, I am a fan of the heel turn. Kane is much better as the phsycho heel, and the character from the movie he played is an excellent direction to go. I think they should have him dragging around that huge ass meat hook, doing creepy shit. When you hear the sound of that hook, everyone needs to get fucking SCARED. Make him an extension of the movie character. They need top flight heel help on RAW, and this would do it.
BaconBits
WZ Czar of Steaks
Maybe he was talking about the Undertaker. If he's alive, he's the American Badass (he's far too tan to be a dead man anyways, haha), if he's dead, he's the classic Undertaker character.
Or maybe he was talking about Vince. Maybe he's going to start a feud with the McMahons. Although, I don't think a McMahon would be the one doing the fighting in the feud, I think it would be a returning Randy Orton.
Or maybe was talking about Paul Bearer. That would be cool, I suppose, I always kinda dug Paul Bearer. He would get cheap crowd pops for a couple weeks.
Or maybe, he's talking about someone else. Someone new, or maybe someone making a return. I hope that's the case. I enjoy seeing different talent. I'm thinking most other fans would be receptive too.
Or maybe he's talking about Carlito's feelings for WWE...
Or maybe he was talking about Vince. Maybe he's going to start a feud with the McMahons. Although, I don't think a McMahon would be the one doing the fighting in the feud, I think it would be a returning Randy Orton.
Or maybe was talking about Paul Bearer. That would be cool, I suppose, I always kinda dug Paul Bearer. He would get cheap crowd pops for a couple weeks.
Or maybe, he's talking about someone else. Someone new, or maybe someone making a return. I hope that's the case. I enjoy seeing different talent. I'm thinking most other fans would be receptive too.
Or maybe he's talking about Carlito's feelings for WWE...
I believe that this could be something we did not see coming. Here are the reasons why it is NOT Paul Bearer.
1. Paul Bearer is retired and now working his funeral business fulltime.
2. Paul Bearer is still 300 pounds, as I said on the live discussion, still a walking herat attack.
3. Paul Bearer has no interest of returning and he was killed off.
It is NOT the Undertaker because as indicated earlier, Taker was not killed off and I believe that they are trying to keep the Taker and Kane seperate for now because their storylines are a little played out. Plus, Taker has to go back to Smackdown to finish his storyline with Edge.
It could be Vince McMahon. But when you really think about it, this could not be anybody. It could just be Kane ranting like a mad man and going nuts on everyone like he did in 2003-2004. That would be awesome because if you remember, the last time Kane was full heel...he destroyed Shane McMahon, Matt Hardy, RVD and Eric Bischoff. Sure he jobbed to Benoit but he still was a great monster. Kane, if used correctly could be an excellent monster heel.
1. Paul Bearer is retired and now working his funeral business fulltime.
2. Paul Bearer is still 300 pounds, as I said on the live discussion, still a walking herat attack.
3. Paul Bearer has no interest of returning and he was killed off.
It is NOT the Undertaker because as indicated earlier, Taker was not killed off and I believe that they are trying to keep the Taker and Kane seperate for now because their storylines are a little played out. Plus, Taker has to go back to Smackdown to finish his storyline with Edge.
It could be Vince McMahon. But when you really think about it, this could not be anybody. It could just be Kane ranting like a mad man and going nuts on everyone like he did in 2003-2004. That would be awesome because if you remember, the last time Kane was full heel...he destroyed Shane McMahon, Matt Hardy, RVD and Eric Bischoff. Sure he jobbed to Benoit but he still was a great monster. Kane, if used correctly could be an excellent monster heel.
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