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OK, when I said that Paul Bearer wouldn't be that big of a deal, I was wrong because there are 6 pages about him. It makes sense, so in WWE land, we can rule it out. I am interested as hell in where this is going. If he is talking crazy, and they bring Taker back to control him, I hope Taker turns on whomever brings him back, and they run through the tag division. If Shane brings Taker back, and SHane is heel, then Taker turns, the Brothers of Destruction could maybe give Rhodes and DiBiase the rub and elevate the tag division monumentally, much like when HBK and HHH allowed Orton to go over.
 
I dont think it has anything to do with The Vince angle at all really. I mean, he was obviously still alive when they took him out on a stretcher, and with all the face time of the mcmahon family on TV, if he was dead ("") then they would have said something to that effect. I honestly think he really may be talking about Noble :lmao:. In any case, I am a fan of the heel turn. Kane is much better as the phsycho heel, and the character from the movie he played is an excellent direction to go. I think they should have him dragging around that huge ass meat hook, doing creepy shit. When you hear the sound of that hook, everyone needs to get fucking SCARED. Make him an extension of the movie character. They need top flight heel help on RAW, and this would do it.

Oh Snap. Monkey has just come up with another crazy idea with the help of NorCal.

You hit it right on the button. At least If I was writing this storyline. Make him an extension of his movie character. Anyone who has seen See No Evil knows the ending. The question being left on my mind was "Did he die?" Maybe that's what Kane is wondering too. Thus bringing him into a state of confusion where he thinks he is Jacob Goodnight. Then he goes and acts all psycho and shit and fully regains his monster heel persona.


I am really thinking outside the box. I think I am going to go lie down.
 
I've just finished watching Raw, and I've gotta say, I marked like Slyfox after a Cena title win. The monster Kane is back, and that's the only Kane that's worth anything. Kane attacking Michael Cole might not make him into a heel, but Jerry Lawler is something of a cult hero. He's got a surprisingly large fan base. He's really quite popular and having Kane attack him could start a heel turn off with the fans. Although, it's a shame JR isn't still around, Kane got a pretty big heel reaction from setting him on fire last time around.

Now, as for who Kane is actually talking about, I still think it might be 'Taker. Obviously this time around he left on his feet instead of in a grave or flaming casket, but it might simply be that Kane's mind has snapped, and he doesn't know how Undertaker keeps surviving. I mean, Kane has attempted to kill his half-brother at least twice (flaming casket at Royal Rumble 1998, Buried Alive at Survivor Series 2003) and both times, UT has come back and whipped Kane's ass. I mean, look at Wrestlemania XX, it was basically a squash match. Maybe Kane has snapped and he thinks that UT should be dead.

A second theory could be Paul Bearer. I mean, the last time we saw Paul Bearer, Undertaker was burying him alive in Heyman's concrete crypt. Now, the storyline of the Concrete Crypt match was that if 'Taker didn't lay down for the Dudleyz, then his confidant, Bearer, would be killed. And, the last words 'Taker said before pulling the lever on the truck were "Rest In Peace". However, we were then told on SmackDown that Bearer was "severly injured" and in a "life-threatening condition", with problems including collapsed lungs and crushed bones. However, we were never given a final outcome to the story, so in effect, Kane's asking the question we all were about Bearer - is he dead or alive?

And obviously, there's Vince McMahon. Now, I see two outcomes that revolve around the Vince McMahon storyline. One is that either Kane is concerned about Vince's health, either that he hopes Vince isn't dead due to some secret between the two of them, or that he hopes Vince is dead, possibly meaning that Kane was the cause of the Stage Collapse. The other option is that, when Vince called out Paul as he was rescued from the wreckage, it was something to do with Paul Bearer, which simply ties in somehow with the above reasoning on Bearer, with Bearer (and Kane?) being the cause of the Stage Collapse.

Which one is it? Well, my money goes on it being Bearer. Kane has had no storylines with Vince, so it doesn't make sense for him to be anything to do with the stage, and it doesn't make sense for it to be Undertaker, as that would bring UT back on Raw, while he still has a score to settle on SmackDown with Edge. So yeah, for me, Paul Bearer is alive, Kane, he's alive.
 
You hit it right on the button. At least If I was writing this storyline. Make him an extension of his movie character. Anyone who has seen See No Evil knows the ending. The question being left on my mind was "Did he die?" Maybe that's what Kane is wondering too. Thus bringing him into a state of confusion where he thinks he is Jacob Goodnight. Then he goes and acts all psycho and shit and fully regains his monster heel persona.

That just gave me a clue where all this is going... someone mentioned the May 19 storyline, which turned out to be nothing but a way to promote the see no evil movie... And I remember they want to do a "movie franchise" of this Jacob Goodnight character, so it's about time to have the second movie... Maybe they will go with this for a couple of months, then have something like a movie premiere and that's it...

As I remember, the may 19 broadcast (a smackdown one) was just Kane appearing in the main event to squash the then World champ Rey Mysterio... just because he said may 19... and after that he beat JBL too... then the next monday he got a backstage promo when he explained that may 19 was the date their parents died burned (and also before this I tought Paul Bearer was his father and Undertaker and him were half brothers)... but now days afther that date, he was all good and can continue his life... then fake kane appeared... and we all know how bad it was... the only thing I enjoyed of this storyline was that Kane went on beating people who said that date and even tried to chokeslam Lillian Garcia... and I remember HBK as special guest referee with a may 19 t-shirt which him took off and put on someone else who got tombstoned...
 
heres my idea of where this is going. Shane and stephanie hired kane to make the stage collapse to take mcmahon out so they can take charge and so he will stop giving away their inheritnace. they wont say how he is to make kane go crazy so when he comes back they can have him lead their stable against whatever wrestlers mcmahon brings to help him.
 
I and others I know have made our own assumptions in thinking that Kane went on that rampage because he was the one who "sabotaged" the set causing it to fall on Mr. McMahon. Problem is the only storyline motive I can come up with is he's either tired of not getting his shot at the World Title or that he wants to create his own legacy in WWE (like 'Taker) with no one to hold him back.
 
I may second the motion about the Kane v McMahon deal. While at first it seemed kinda strange and kinda stupid, in a twisted way, it almost makes sense. Let's take Kane's actions of late into account:

ECW Champ is drafted to Raw, complete with title (something that wasn't done with Lashley last year, or whenever that was). Okay, fine. Kane loses to a possibly even bigger (no pun intended) jobber than him: Mark Henry. Kinda lame. After being driven down the ladder from Raw, to Smackdown (by Umaga, now another fatty jobber), to ECW, (I guess Kane just kinda moved, or something), he wins the World title for ECW. Okay, bottom rung of the ladder, but fine.

Oh wait, he's drafted to Raw again. Yay, a promotion (sorta). Oh wait, there goes the ECW title. Well shit.

So Kane is back at the same spot he was. I'd be in a bit of a foul mood too. McMahon gives "random" people anywhere from $500k to $2, and Kane can't even get that. So some stage equipment falls on his head. Har har, the score is even, says Kane.

Then, he randomly asserts himself into the Fatal Four Way match by saying "I want in." Okay, whatever. I'm sure no one saw him actually winning (because obviously he didn't anyway), but with no GM, you might as well try to get a title out of it. Well damn, Kane didn't then either. Mkay. Good times.

Maybe he figures if he goes insane, THIS time around it'll actually lead somewhere. Didn't really last time. If I were Kane, I'd bring back the hook from See No Evil and just start gacking people with it.

So yeah, in the midst of all that, I assumed that McMahon is indeed whom Kane is talking about. If Undertaker is indeed to break up the Edge/Vickie wedding (I hope to God), then I doubt Kane would be talking about him, seeing as how that'd probably keep Taker on SD!

Who knows, though. With all the randomness of WWE lately, maybe Kane is talking about Clay Aiken. If that's the case, I would hope dead.
 
Don't think he's talking about the Undertaker, because if he knows he's gone... he would know how he left. He didn't die, obviously. About Vince, I don't know I'll have to see how it plays out next week. Paul Bearer is my guess, no need to spell it out.
 
To me there are only two options for this storyline that would make sense. The first is that Kane is talking about Vince. If it is him it could come out that someone hired Kane to take out Vince because of the million dollar mania.

The second is that it is Paul Bearer. I think it is a long shot but could make things interesting. Especially if they bring Bearer back and have him manage someone to against Kane.
 
I think it's pretty much guaranteed to be Paul Bearer now, since he refused to answer the question of whether Kane was talking about him, he should have just not replied.
 
"is he alive or dead...." ok after taking some time of thought ive come to some conclusions....

1. kanes talking about paul bearer, bearer was "barried alive" and said to have
ben severly injured.. now for those that said that he wasnt annouced dead just injured, kanes not saying hes dead he wants to know weither hes still alive or has he past

2. kane was the 1 that did the stage collaspe, now many are asking "why would kane do that it wouldnt make since and he has no grudge over vince" why also have "vince isnt dead we all saw that" now we know he wasnt "dead" as he left we dont no what happened" agin he was asking "is he alive or dead" as in not knowing meaning he wants to know, ok why would kane try and kill vince

A). its the undertakers doing, taker is in kanes head hes telling him what to do, he told him rig the thing so id fall and break down taker is "banished" from the wwe meaning he wont be aloud there so he sends kane to do his biding and take out vince. we all know vinces and takers history
a. a fault in that would be that theyve ben building the taker and edge fued for sometime on smackdown, and i think that taker would find some way to get his revenge on edge before leaving smackdown, maybe crash the wedding purhaps i duno, but i hear taker and triple h dont get along and maybe that TLC match was the end of the taker edge fued

B). and we have the mcmahans, they dont like vince was giving away their money so they paid some1 or promised some1 something if they toke out vince kane wants to know if he suceed thus asking is he alive or dead wanting to finish the job shane and steph havent told him anything he knows what we know...ABOSOLUTLY NOTHING and maybe kane thought some1 would know he cant take the suspence snaps and attachs cole

C). and last theres regal, he didnt like the suspension, and thinking that him taking out mcmahan would put him back on top when he returns and kane was the guy that he told do it and made a deal if kane takes him out he gets a world title shot or somthing
c. a fault in this would obviously be that regal may not cont. to recieve that push after the suspension

those are my theorys on "is he alive or dead" and at the moment thats all i see would be the logical for it, for the guy that said maybe its jammie noble, in a way i could see him talking about him but i doubt that theyd end a main event with kane worring about noble... id hope not anyway
 
Wow I like the ideals everyone is bouncing off eachother, its awesome and I believe we are homing in on the storyline.
Ok what if the McMahon kids have information or holding Paul Bearer hostage,
and is forcing Kane to commit these act's against his will. What if they refuse to give up information until Kane finishes the job ? Did Vince see Paul Bearer because he was bait ?
 
so pretty much everything is saying the same thing: Vince McMahon, Undertaker, or Paul Bearer (except for that one guy who threw Jamie Noble into the mix).

Those are pretty much the only possibilities in a lot of peoples' eyes. I don't know who it would be though. While I don't really have any interest in the Vince McMahon angle anymore... due to them not doing anything with it in the past two weeks except having Shane and Stephanie being like, "hey.... don't ask don't tell... stick together... you take the good, you take the bad, you take 'em both and there you have..." I would LOVE to see Undertaker come back to RAW and give him a chance to feud with new people... or Orton or Cena (seeing as how he's feuded with them in the past).

But in regards to the Paul Bearer idea, I only have one question: does Kane not know how to use a computer? I'm sure he's learned after all these years. Go to the superstar section on WWE.com and check out "Where Are they Now?" Paul Bearer has a profile up there, and is clearly ALIVE. So there's your answer Kane, Bearer's alive... find someone else to ask questions about.
 
I would think Paul Bearer could be a possibility, it would make sense and all considering their past, but, come on, Undertaker "killed" Bearer in 2004. It's now nearly 4 years ago to the date. Sure, Kane asked the question just weeks before the event at which Bearer was written off, but, what the hell would make him decide to worry about this four years later? Doesn't add up.

The entire Vince scenario would make much more sense. I can see him wondering whether Vince is dead or alive because he would be the one behind the stage collapse. It's easy motivation, despite them not having much of a past. Maybe Kane is fed up with getting nowhere and not getting the opportunities that he deserves from Vince, since he calls the shot. He can argue that Vince has been holding him back for too long and that with Vince gone, he finally has a chance to become a World Heavyweight Champion. Think of all the examples you'd have of Kane getting screwed over throughout his career. Certainly enough fuel for the fire if creative does the angle right.

He can also be hired by Shane and Stephanie, who want to take Vince out because, hey, maybe the money Vince was giving away could've been their inheritance money as someone else pointed out on the forum. You can have the angle go all Summer, and Shane can come back and manage Kane, and take over as GM of Raw and be very favorable to Kane and no one knows why. They can even play off the old Shane/Kane rivalry. Shane knows exactly what Kane's capable of which is why they hired him specifically to take out Vince. In return, Shane gives Kane everything he desires, which leads to a Kane title run. Vince can triumphantly return with a superstar representing him, maybe the Undertaker. You can have a Kane/McMahon faction vs. an Undertaker/McMahon faction. Come on, Wrestlemania can have Kane and Shane vs. Undertaker and Vince. Sounds far out there, but that would be beyond hyped.

I personally hope it leads to a legit push for Kane. I hope it's not a storyline contrived to just put over the return of a manager or the Undertaker.
 
for those that think its paul bearer just because of the message does "son of a bulldog" mean anything to you. I really like my original idea of stephanie and shane. When they have given their updates for vince I havent heard them mention linda once. It would be the perfect way to bring undertaker back since he was banned he cant just show up or that wouldnt make any sence so vince should have to bring him back to fend of shane and kane. All paul bearer will do is get some pops for a couple weeks then its the same ol white fat man doing the same thing besides wwe isnt really into using male managers anymore lets face it after jimmy hart, slick the brain and mr fugi good male managers just went downhill.
 
Well, if it IS McMahon, then the logical storyline would be :

Hornswoggle was discovered to not be Vince's illegitimate son. I guess thats where Kane would come in. Kane could have been trying to kill Vinnie Mac for inheritance, power, whatever. Thats the only plausable storyline I see coming of the question "Is he alive or is he dead?" being about Vince.

Personally, I think it's Paul Bearer, only because of his nice little message that screams its a possibility.

That's the logical storyline? Hahaha. I don't know why everyone is still so hell-bent on bringing back the illegitimate son angle. Its over. No pushes for Kennedy with that, no Kane involvement, no "Michael Cole was the son and that's why he's been moved to Raw so that he could be with the McMahon family"...its just a completely finished angle that was terrible lol.

I don't know why everyone thinks its Paul Bearer. Haven't we been hearing for a while now that he has no interest in coming back?

Even though we have no clue about a motive yet, it would make much more sense for it to be about Vince. Both episodes since the "accident", the McMahons have blatantly refused to give an update about Vince's condition. So, reality aside, we're all supposed to be wondering whether or not Vince is ok and if he's possibly dead and they're not saying so. But even more so, why would the WWE have a story about Kane wondering about the health of someone, PLUS a storyline about people wondering about Vince's health, both on the same show? That's hardly creative. If you're a fan of doubling up, then I guess we'll have Natalya in a wedding storyline along with Vickie lol.

But we don't know what this means for Kane. Is Vince in the position that he could actually become a face because of this, allowing Kane to turn full monster-heel? Cause for the most part, people cheer Vince if he hasn't been out in a while, but then he goes right back to being a heel. I'd love to see Vince as a face for a little while.

Oh and as for Regal being involved.....the only way I can see him getting in it is if the "psycho Kane" storyline is intertwined with the "martial law" aspect, and Vince decides that Raw needs a general manager so he might as well bring back Regal to do the job.
 
My first guess was mabey it was Helms. I know hes coming back soon and i know him and kane had a past. Mabey there bringing helms into raw as mabey as kanes adviser/manger role.

But the one im hopeing is hes refuring to himself as if the old kane is dead or alive. Mabey there doing what they did to undertaker when he changed back. Kanes going back to the old Kane and wont be changed backed untill he gets his mask back and gets his full power ba ck and ounce again becomes the monster he wants was in the wwe.

Just some thoughts off my head
 
Okay... people... I'm not a fortune teller but I can tell you this:

It is NOT Gregory Helms, it is NOT Jamie Noble, and it is NOT Finlay/Hornswoggle who are involved in this angle. That would just be stupid. WWE is trying to build Kane up again (I guess this could possibly be his final hurrah before retiring) and to then add a mid-card/someone nobody cares about (i.e. Noble) would be stupid.

Think about it: if the revelation was Gregory Helms, that would be terrible. His music coming on, on a RAW telecast, a show which he is not familiar with (if he isn't the hurricane). That's like randomly making it Funaki... which, contrary to popular belief, would not work well.
 
Well AryaNTerR0rism, if this is a kane storyline, then theres no such thing as it for to make sense.

If this storyline involves Paul Bearer then WWE would've informed Percy Pringle but as he posted but on his website, they did not.
 
I am so glad Kane is back to doing what he does best, being a monster heel. The way his mask gradually kept getting smaller until the point where he removed it, made him lose all sorts of credibility as a monster. I had high hopes when he became a monster heel (sans mask) and it worked.....until he feuded with Snitsky, and then became a face.

The whole "is he dead or alive" thing hopefully is referring to Paul Bearer. Kane's character is in need of some serious guidance, and Paul has always been there in the past to give him a helping hand.

I really hope that Kane steps it up and becomes a legit main eventer. I'm hoping this new angle really works for him.

Edit:

If this storyline involves Paul Bearer then WWE would've informed Percy Pringle but as he posted but on his website, they did not.
Did not the same situation arise when shortly before Matt Hardy made his WWE return? Matt denied it, and "lied" to everyone when he bashed WWE and made it seem like he was gone for good, only to return.

That's what's called the element of surprize. Most sites like WZ tend to get the inside scoop and take away that element....so it's nice to have a little something kept secret sometimes.
 
Someone actually said on here or somewhere else IIRC, that they heard Kane say to Michael Cole (since this person wasn't watching at the time, but listening) that Kane could over heard be yelling "McMahon!", or "Vince McMahon!". Hopefully this turn ends up being like it was in 2003 where he was a monster heel, minus the mask.
 
Yeah finally wwe giving Kane respect again and having him be the beast and monster like he used to be. Hopefully this leads into Kane being wwe champion again. And i doubt this Kane angle has anything to do with Vince.
 
I have one more idea as to how this storyline could play out before i see more next monday night. Kane is still talking about mcmahon and he made the stage collapse but it was to kill vince so the undertaker can come back. If the wwe wants to stick with their storylines ut cannot go to smackdown or ecw because they both have general managers that will not allow it because of the bannishment but raw does not have a gm so he goes and tries to kill vince so no one will be in charge and the undertaker can come to raw. this though would not turn kane heel but just make him a psycho trying to help his brother
 
Wow damn. Never thought of Boogeyman. And Paul Bearer...funny they mention him on the WWE site. Maybe its just a teaser of some sort after all the speculation, people talking about Paul coming back. Way too many ways they could go with this storyline to even begin to think wtf is going on! lol
 
On WWE.com they list the "odds" for who Kane could of been referring to:

Captain America= 1:1000

2Pac: 1:100

Rajin Singh: 1:80

Jacob Goodnight: 1:75

Pete Rose: 1:50

JR: 1:10

Boogeyman: 1:8

VKM: 1:5

UT: 1:4

Paul Bearer: 1:3

Interesting....

Haha Captain America. Doesn't Kane know about the officially named "Marvel's Revolving Door of Death"?


Honestly, I think the only things we have to study here are the last 3. Boogeyman and the others, they're just stretching to add stuff to the list. Singh because he's been absent for a while, 2pac as a joke obviously with Cap, no clue why JR is on the list...Boogeyman's been absent for a long while and he's got the supernatural thing going on too, so they just added him for that.

But I still can't see it being Paul Bearer or Undertaker. If Kane was on Smackdown or ECW, not Raw, then it might be one of them, but not on Vince's baby.
 

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