Jeff Hardy: Legitimate Contender or One Time Wonder

[TheOneBigWill]

So, its been tossed around for about a month and honestly deserves its own thread now. And thus, here it is. Basically, the question is asked, do you feel Jeff Hardy is a legitimate challenger, or is this just a stepping stone for Randy Orton to get to the bigger prize at Wrestlemania?

Keep all of your Jeff Hardy discussion in here please. Give your opinion on how you completely feel toward the subject, & explain why you think he is, or is not a legitimate contender.. or a one time wonder.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

Please elaborate on why you are so adamant that Jeff does not have a legit shot at winning at the Rumble. I originally thought that, and every week that goes by convinces me more and more that they creative is serious about this feud. I really think it would be a terrible move to let Orton bury Jeff at the Rumble with all the hype they are giving him. Orton is already established or close to being established. He doesn't need the win as much as Jeff does. And whether some of you IWFs want to admit it or not, Jeff sells. He's GREAT for business and people watch RAW just for him these days, IMO.

 

[TheOneBigWill]

So, basically my opinion is that he's a One Time Wonder.. & this is why..

Currently, W.W.E.'s rosters are split in 3 sections, & Raw doesn't have a lot of mid-card talent that can challenge Randy Orton right now, outside of Jeff Hardy. Their only other options are Triple H., Shawn Michaels, or possibly Ric Flair. The first two just ended feuds with Orton, & the 3rd is being built in quite possibly a bigger storyline then the title itself. That leaves, Jeff Hardy as the next in line for being remotely worth it.

Jeff Hardy DOES sell, I give him that. Hes great at hitting spots, but I think last night if anything proved my point. Randy Orton v. Jeff Hardy, Main Event. The match was a kick to the nuts, & then a spot off something high. W.W.E. wants to save their match, for the p.p.v. in hopes that it'll shock people when Hardy actually does something wrestling related.

Also, the reason I feel Hardy isn't right for this position, is because of his promo on the opening part of Raw last night. He looks like he shouldn't even be holding a mic. He refered to himself in the 3rd person, which does NOT fit him.. & he repeats himself almost every 2nd or 3rd sentence. How many times is he going to say "I'm gonna end you." (Or however he's said it)

Finally, to tip off last night's show.. he left, the corniest way you could possibly leave. He hit a big spot, could've sold it majorly, but whats he do? He holds up his f'n hand logo.. are you seriously telling me I'm to believe the guy got hurt, but is "solid enough" to give me a stupid hand logo?!

So overall, I'm not saying Jeff Hardy would NEVER get a Championship run, but I am saying in all likelyhood.. it won't be happening at the Royal Rumble, & if by some odd chance it does, it'll end at No Way Out, or before.

 

[Shocky]

Jeff Hardy is terrible, and he is unworthy of this match, or any match involving a world title? How has the man paid his dues? When times are rough, he quits or resorts to drug abuse? What has he done in the ring to warrant a world title shot other then hit high spots in highly gimmicky matches? I'll tell you what he's done, he's done absolutely zero.

But this is the Royal Rumble, and the rumble title matches are usually stepping stones or testing ground either way. This match has zero pressure on it, because most people are buying the show for the Rumble. It's a filler too the main event.

In my opinion, the smarky MSG crowd is going to tear Jeff Hardy apart. That crowd is notorious for getting on the back of people that they don't feel is worthy of a push. They will get behind Orton nearly 100% in my opinion, and I honestly think Hardy is going to get rattled. Hardy will not deliver in a non gimmick match, no way no how. He has been in the business for over ten years, and I have yet to see a decent match out of this guy.

But this is the WWE though, and politics are played, so I certainly won't be surprised to see Hardy walkign out with gold and becoming the most undeserving world champion of all time, David Arquette, you may step aside.

 

[Meilichia]

I know I am rather biased because I am a big Jeff Hardy fan, but i think he deserves the title, and he is a genuine contender. He has been working his way up in the company for many years, and he has had his struggles, much like other great wrestlers, but he has pulled through them, he seems really dedicated now, and the WWE can't ignore just how over he is. Week by week he has been improving, and I just think he is ready to be a main card wrestler, and have a title run.
I also think he has what it takes to be a good champion, mainly because of the length of the time he has been in the WWE, the fact he has worked his way up the ladder (unlike the one hit wonders they keep giving the belt to over and over), he is entertaining (for me anyway, even without a gimmick match), he is so over with the fans, and even his mic skills are improving.
He is probably not the best wrestler, I am well aware of that, but bringing a new face and a new style into the title picture cannot be a bad thing.

 

[Lil Wes]

Jeff Hardy is terrible,

Meh, He's entertaining so I don't see how it makes him so terrible.

and he is unworthy of this match, or any match involving a world title?

Errr, Why?

He's got the drawing ability, he's a damn good entertainer, his matches are good enough for the main event level, and his mic work is shit but Hey Lashley, Cena and Batista made it by with terrible mic skills, So can Hardy plus add to the fact he's about 120x more entertaining than all of them.

Except Lashley of course.

How has the man paid his dues? When times are rough, he quits or resorts to drug abuse?

Like Randy Orton that was what? 7 months ago, 2 years ago??

What has he done in the ring to warrant a world title shot other then hit high spots in highly gimmicky matches?

What did Batista ever do?

Jackshit, Hardy has proved to be a damn good entertainer, gimmicky or not. His matches with UmaNga were loads better than Cena's and Cena was the fucking posterboy of WWE.

I'll tell you what he's done, he's done absolutely zero.

Meh, Wait until the end of 2008.

But this is the Royal Rumble, and the rumble title matches are usually stepping stones or testing ground either way. This match has zero pressure on it, because most people are buying the show for the Rumble.

Agreed but it's still a good feud IMO.

In my opinion, the smarky MSG crowd is going to tear Jeff Hardy apart.

I doubt it. Most smarks don't even have I problem with him from what I've read. The only ones that do are the people that like Physcology, Stories and all of that crap.

That crowd is notorious for getting on the back of people that they don't feel is worthy of a push.

Jeff Hardy is worthy of a push so no need for them to get their feathers ruffled.

They will get behind Orton nearly 100% in my opinion,

I don't know. Maybe.

Hardy will not deliver in a non gimmick match, no way no how.

GAB vs Umaga.

He has been in the business for over ten years, and I have yet to see a decent match out of this guy.

See above.

most undeserving world champion of all time,

How is he undeserving when the people love him? he's entertaining? he's got what it takes at the main event level, See how both the Triple H and Randy Orton feuds have went etc..

I say give him a shot and if he drops the ball that will be it. WWE is shit anyways so why not try it?

 

[KyleCobra]

legitimate contender?...sure why not

legitimate champ?..no freakin way

Yeah he has been around for about a decade..so has Matt...and Holly but even longer..where are their shots? Now i know they dont sell as well as Hardy but if you are going to condemn Cena for being champ becuase he sells merch than how can you allow Hardy to get away with it?

Wow. He has overcome some personal problems. Great to knwo if i ever want to be a contender to the title ill just shoot up.

Im not saying the man hasnt earned a title SHOT. I think he has. People have argued what have Batista or Cena done to become champ, they have both been around for half the time Hardy has. I cant answer that becuase i dont feel either should be champ, especially Batista.

Do i think they will put the belt on him? Not at the Rumble. And if they do, it will be a super short reign. And if they do it would only to add some credibility ( and i use that term loosely) to him but at the same time test the waters. See how people react with him as champ.

If there was ever a time to give him a shot it would be now. But that is in no way saying he should be champ.

 

[Mike1517r]

Hardy is a legitimate contender and could be a legigimate champ, but not on Raw. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a get a very brief title run by beating orton at the Rumble then lose it at No Way Out and be left out of a Mania' rematch due to the winner of the Elimination Chamber getting the shot, I dont think that will happen, but with the pop he gets it could. I could see him being a legitimate champ on Smackdown!, maybe going over there in the WWE Draft this year and having a fued with Edge, eventually taking the title off of him. I think there are too many stars on Raw for Hardy to have a title run, but on smackdown he could be a legitimate champ.

 

[Shocky]

Meh, He's entertaining so I don't see how it makes him so terrible.

Errr, Why?

He's got the drawing ability, he's a damn good entertainer, his matches are good enough for the main event level, and his mic work is shit but Hey Lashley, Cena and Batista made it by with terrible mic skills, So can Hardy plus add to the fact he's about 120x more entertaining than all of them.

Drawing ability in the WWE? I don't remember the last pay per view that Jeff Hardy headlined. Hell, with the exception of this last month, only a handful of Raws in the last ten years were built around a Hardy Boy Storyline, and even less for Jeff Hardy. Outside of a mini push in 2002, Jeff has done nothing. He only has looked good in one very over rated match with the Undertaker, which had more to do with the Undertaker then Jeff. His matches with Michaels he was completely unmatched, and RVD, he looked like a rookie.

Lashley at least knows basic fundamental selling and wrestling moves. When all else fails, he can at least act natural in the ring. Hardy is uncomfortable in the rin unless he's flayling around like a fish out of water. And please, the Cena bashing was so 2007. Cena proved himself last year getting good matches out of Khali and Lashley. Cena carried the WWE on his shoulders last year while everyone was on the injured or suspended list. Batista is terrible.

How is Hardy 120x more entertaining. A guy with rainbow hair that does nothing but hit bad spots is not entertaining. He's a glorified gymnist that doesn't belong in a wrestling ring.


Entertaining to some, not all. And I would wager to say he's not entertaining to the majority of the crowd.

Like Randy Orton that was what? 7 months ago, 2 years ago??

Except that the WWE has done everything in it's power to keep Randy Orton on the roster. What did they do with Jeff? Oh yeah, they let him walk to TNA.

What did Batista ever do?

The same thing that Jeff hardy has done to get this current push, and that's get on the good side of Triple H. Like it or not, read between the lines, that's all this push is. Trips playing politics to prove he can "make" someone whenever he wants. It stems from his long lasting personal feud with Jericho, and all it is is a way for Triple H to derail the "saviors" return.

Jackshit, Hardy has proved to be a damn good entertainer, gimmicky or not. His matches with UmaNga were loads better than Cena's and Cena was the fucking posterboy of WWE.

Again, how is he proven. He's managed to garner up the same 15 year old girl audience that everyone complained about 6 months ago that were only John Cena fans. It's the same thing now. He has a young audience that made up Cena's audience, but yet it's cooler if Hardy gets It? So again, how is he a proven entertainer. If you mean a guy coming out because people only want to see him jump off a ladder, cool, go watch ROH or TNA, that's not the WWE's cup of tea.

Meh, Wait until the end of 2008.

What, when the Hardy's are buried back in the midcard while the WWE is building up the epic Lashley vs. Cena WM 25 main event? While the Hardy's are winning yet another "coveted" tag title only to lose them to the Major Brothers.

I doubt it. Most smarks don't even have I problem with him from what I've read. The only ones that do are the people that like Physcology, Stories and all of that crap.

What, the two basic elements of WWE wrestling matches? No those aren't a problem to not have. If you don't have psychology or storytelling abilities in the WWE, then you're dead before you hit the ring. This isn't ROH or TNA were the emphasis is on athleticism, this is the WWE. He's a good curtain jerker, not a good main eventer. The WWE crowd in MSG sees through bullshit quick, and the second Hardy botches another attempt to run on the rails, they'll be on him like flies on shit.

Jeff Hardy is worthy of a push so no need for them to get their feathers ruffled.

Again, based on what. His proven track record of drawing at WWE pay per views. His wonderful promos that pump people up? His talent is being able to fall and cut his wrist, and gravity takes care of the first part quite nicely.

GAB vs Umaga.

See above.

Umaga has been in good to okay matches this year, and this wasn't one of them. I'll take either of the Cena matches or any of his feud with Bubby Leslie before this.



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How is he undeserving when the people love him? he's entertaining? he's got what it takes at the main event level, See how both the Triple H and Randy Orton feuds have went etc..

Who loves him? Like I said before, how is it acceptable that he is getting the same crowd that Cena did and he's somehow cool, but Cena is terrible? Like I said before, the ability to fall isn't a talent, it's gravity. A guy that is as dull as a butter knife on the microphone isn't entertaining.

The Triple H feud was crap. Him getting a glorified fluke victory isn't impressive. Triple H didn't put him over, all it came across as was a luck victory.

I say give him a shot and if he drops the ball that will be it. WWE is shit anyways so why not try it?

That's why I like this matchup, because Hardy will fail and I won't have to listen to the Hardy fans come on here saying how great he is anymore.

 

[CelticPride101]

hmm im not really sure but i think i'll go with one time wonder no disrespect to jeff hardy at all but raw needed a face to challenge orton..the whole jericho vs orton thing sucked so i like jeff hardy better but hey when cena lashley and all those guys are back jeff will just be back in the midcard where he usually is so i say at the royal rumble he better put on the match of his career so he can prove to people (me as well) that he isent a one time wonder

 

[mjuww]

Entertaining to some, not all. And I would wager to say he's not entertaining to the majority of the crowd.

lmfao not entertaining to the majority of the crowd do you even watch RAW hes been getting the biggest crowd reactions for months and unlike Cena they arnt mixed with 50/50 boos, they are 99% in favour of Hardy, you are clearly blinded by your hate for the man and have no respectable opinion

and to add that he saved the last 2 RAWs from being disasters

 

[D.Miller]

Jeff Hardy has paid his dues in the past and he continues to keep paying them as the No. 1 Contender to the WWE Championship. There are inadequate contenders nowadays for the WWE Championship that are really over or not repetitive or that are not elderly and I think Jeff Hardy makes the WWE Title Picture look fresh and exciting.

I believe he's a legitimate contender. He's an great entertainer, a great stuntman who puts his body on the line for us. His wrestling ability is satisfying, his mic skills are straightforward and dead boring, but regardless, a three month title run is well deserved for his hard work and sacrifices.

I hope he won't become a one time wonder considering people like Bobby Lashley, and John Cena are returning and possibly might push him back into the mid-card division. Hopefully, they keep him up there and the fans keep behind him as well.

What I think is this, if Jeff or when Jeff goes down in defeat to Randy Orton at the Royal Rumble, don't let him stay on RAW for too long since he might get reduced once again. Perhaps, send him to SmackDown. Jeff Hardy, Edge, Undertaker at WrestleMania XXIV... That'd be sweet!

 

[Lil Wes]

Drawing ability in the WWE?

He could draw he's been over forever now.

I don't remember the last pay per view that Jeff Hardy headlined.

He and Triple H were the center of attention coming into Armageddon. He'll be the face in the main event at the Rumble.

Outside of a mini push in 2002, Jeff has done nothing. He only has looked good in one very over rated match with the Undertaker,

Fuck 2002.

It's 2008, and in 2007 Hardy proved that he can be a main event player and a title contender. If he gets a short reign I wouldnt give a fuck, I want to be entertained just like everyone who watches the show, he does that.

You would know he did well in during the last half of 07 but wait you don't watch the show..

Lashley at least knows basic fundamental selling and wrestling moves.

Hardy's wrestling is a whole different style than Lashley's and point to me where is selling is soooooo god awful??

When all else fails, he can at least act natural in the ring. Hardy is uncomfortable in the rin unless he's flayling around like a fish out of water.

See above about different styles.

You have brawlers, technicians and high flyers.

Hardy fits in category 3.

And please, the Cena bashing was so 2007.

He's shit. Enough said.

Cena proved himself last year getting good matches out of Khali and Lashley.

ROFLMAO,

The Khali feud was one of the worst I had seen in 07, I'd take fucking Cody Rhodes/Randy Orton over that garbage.

He got a good match out of Lashley because Lashley is a good wrestler. And he didnt prove shit because Lashley showed better ability in everything during the feud.

Cena carried the WWE on his shoulders last year while everyone was on the injured or suspended list. Batista is terrible.

Cena wouldnt be shit with Triple H, Edge and Undertaker around.

How is Hardy 120x more entertaining. A guy with rainbow hair that does nothing but hit bad spots is not entertaining.

Bad spots? How are they bad when the arena is exploding with crowd noise?

He's a glorified gymnist that doesn't belong in a wrestling ring.

Ok, then John Cena is a glorified street brawler that doesnt belong in a wrestling ring..

Entertaining to some, not all. And I would wager to say he's not entertaining to the majority of the crowd.

LOL.

Do you not hear the guys pops? During his entrances, throughout his matches????

Except that the WWE has done everything in it's power to keep Randy Orton on the roster. What did they do with Jeff? Oh yeah, they let him walk to TNA.

Funny how Hardy draws more reaction from fans than Orton..

The same thing that Jeff hardy has done to get this current push, and that's get on the good side of Triple H. Like it or not, read between the lines, that's all this push is.

The push was bound to come sooner or later but I'm not denying that Triple H had anything to do with it.

Trips playing politics to prove he can "make" someone whenever he wants. It stems from his long lasting personal feud with Jericho, and all it is is a way for Triple H to derail the "saviors" return.

Jericho's return was nothing more than a flop. And I'm a big Jericho fan.

The crowd doesn't give a rat's ass about him anymore. Which is why, Yet again Hardy draws more reaction.

Again, how is he proven. He's managed to garner up the same 15 year old girl audience that everyone complained about 6 months ago that were only John Cena fans.

lol.

Ok then back when Cena was around and Cena bashers were booing the fuck out of him, Why was Hardy never booed?

So again, how is he a proven entertainer.

His matches and feuds. All of them were good in 07. Fuck the past, this is now.

If you mean a guy coming out because people only want to see him jump off a ladder, cool, go watch ROH or TNA, that's not the WWE's cup of tea.

ROH and TNA are shit.

Apparently it means something to WWE, or he wouldn't be getting a push..

What, when the Hardy's are buried back in the midcard while the WWE is building up the epic Lashley vs. Cena WM 25 main event?

No, too look at what he did in the year. 2008 is likely to be the year of the Hardy IMO.

Both of them will main event and may both walk away with gold.

If you don't have psychology or storytelling abilities in the WWE, then you're dead before you hit the ring.

LMAO.

How come he is about to win the gold at the Royal Rumble then? Or why would he even be main eventing the Royal Rumble??

That made zero sense. He must be doing something right or he wouldn't be in that position and don't give me the Triple H shit, it may have a little to do with it but not all of it.

This isn't ROH or TNA were the emphasis is on athleticism,

ROH and TNA suck.

He's a good curtain jerker, not a good main eventer. The WWE crowd in MSG sees through bullshit quick, and the second Hardy botches another attempt to run on the rails, they'll be on him like flies on shit.

Umaga has been in good to okay matches this year, and this wasn't one of them. I'll take either of the Cena matches or any of his feud with Bubby Leslie before this.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

The Cena match at NYR's was garbage, the LMS match is overrated but good.

Jeff's singles match with Umaga > Cena's with Umaga at NYR.

Jeff's Steel Cage match with Umaga = Cena's LMS match with Umaga. IMO.

Who loves him?

WWE fans.

Like I said before, how is it acceptable that he is getting the same crowd that Cena did and he's somehow cool, but Cena is terrible?

See what I said about this earlier? I never hear Hardy get booed. Cena's boo's were arena rocking.

The Triple H feud was crap. Him getting a glorified fluke victory isn't impressive. Triple H didn't put him over, all it came across as was a luck victory.

All in your opinion.

That's why I like this matchup, because Hardy will fail and I won't have to listen to the Hardy fans come on here saying how great he is anymore.

He's not great. He's just good enough to be a title contender. That is all.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Drawing ability in the WWE? I don't remember the last pay per view that Jeff Hardy headlined. Hell, with the exception of this last month, only a handful of Raws in the last ten years were built around a Hardy Boy Storyline, and even less for Jeff Hardy. Outside of a mini push in 2002, Jeff has done nothing. He only has looked good in one very over rated match with the Undertaker, which had more to do with the Undertaker then Jeff. His matches with Michaels he was completely unmatched, and RVD, he looked like a rookie.

He has drawing ability NOW. What your talking about was 5 years ago. He continually gets some of the biggest pops, and pushes the most merchandise, NOW. You cant deny that, and im not sure what him looking bad against legends five years ago, has to do with him being legit now.

How is Hardy 120x more entertaining. A guy with rainbow hair that does nothing but hit bad spots is not entertaining. He's a glorified gymnist that doesn't belong in a wrestling ring.


Entertaining to some, not all. And I would wager to say he's not entertaining to the majority of the crowd.

They arent bad spots, just becuase YOU say they are bad spots. Yea he botches stuff sometimes. everyone does. The almoghty RVD who everyone on the IWC loves so much, botched the crap out of thousands of moves, and it was pretty often. But Jeff Hardy has girls cheering for him, so when he botches things, he isnt legit I guess. Its crazy really...Cena and Trips arent any good becuase they "only do 5 moves" but Hardy flys all over and does many many moves, then he is a "spot monkey". And if he isnt entertaining to the majority of the crowd, then how does he recieve such huge pops every night?? It seems to me, the majority of the crowd cheers wildly for him, and all of his "bad spots". All he does is a different style of wrestling, and just becuase YOU dont enjoy doesnt mean he doesnt belong in a wrestling ring.

The title of this thread asks if he is a legit contender, not if he "deserves this spot"....wtf did Cena or Batista "do" to deserve the runs that they got? Nothing, they had a look, and were popular, and they got pushed. Same thing with Jeff. He gets the biggest pops, sells a lot of merchandise, and puts on what I find to be, and from what I can hear, most of the crowd finds to be, very entertaining matches. Deserves this spot? eh, maybe for continually putting his body at huge risk doing spots, like the one the other night on RAW, but this thread isnt about deserving. Its abot if he is a legit contender right now. And from what WWE has clearly based their criteria for contenders and champions on, Jeff Hardy is a very legit contender.

 

[XxICExX2]

I was once a person who only saw Jeff Hardy as a Midcard singles wrestler and top tag team wrestler. But since he has come back I have seen another side of jeff. I have seem to getting excited to see one of his singles matches as he is very charasmatic in the ring. Jeff has also stepped up his mic skill since well...he never had any in the past. Jeff has come along way since he first left the WWE and its nice to see him get a push like this. Win or lose the WWE made a good decision making him a top babyface since well....he might just be the most popular babyface for real wrestling fans.

 

[Shocky]

He could draw he's been over forever now..

Hacksaw Jim Duggan was over, that doesn't make him a draw, I think you're confusing the two. Being over means the crowd likes ya, but no ones paying because Jeff Hardy is in the marquee.

He and Triple H were the center of attention coming into Armageddon. He'll be the face in the main event at the Rumble..

No, it had nothing to do with Chris Jericho's return from a two year break, or the fact that Edge vs. Undertaker, along with Batisa was on the card. Jeff Hardy did his role perfectly for this pay per view, fill the role of a mid carder while the big boys were in the main event.

Fuck 2002.

It's 2008, and in 2007 Hardy proved that he can be a main event player and a title contender. If he gets a short reign I wouldnt give a fuck, I want to be entertained just like everyone who watches the show, he does that.

See, that argument works if we're dealing with a Kennedy or MVP, not a guy that has been with the company since the end of 1997. This isn't a bump in the road for Jeff, it's a trend. Jeff has a track record of looking bad, and real bad against superior competition, which Randy Orton is.

You would know he did well in during the last half of 07 but wait you don't watch the show..

You get what you pay for when you watch Raw. Since I don't pay anything, I get nothing but crap. That's why I only watch the WWE pay per views when I can, because at least you'll get someone that tries sometime. Raw is garbage. The last time I checked, Jeff Hardy won a match to a lackluster response from the live Audience at Armageddon, but that was the last time I checked, you know, when you pay money.

Hardy's wrestling is a whole different style than Lashley's and point to me where is selling is soooooo god awful??

See above about different styles.

You have brawlers, technicians and high flyers.

Hardy fits in category 3.

You forgot category 4, Spot Monkey. RVD is a high flyer. At least RVD will at least work a body part, particularly the midsection, to wear guys down with the split legged moonsault, rolling thunder and the frog splash. Jeff just throws together a bunch of random moves to get a pop from the crowd.

ROFLMAO,

The Khali feud was one of the worst I had seen in 07, I'd take fucking Cody Rhodes/Randy Orton over that garbage.

He got a good match out of Lashley because Lashley is a good wrestler. And he didnt prove shit because Lashley showed better ability in everything during the feud.

Out of all of Khali's matches in 2007, the only ones that were remotely watchable were the ones with John Cena, like it or not.

Lashley is a damn good wrestler, true, but Cena went with him for that whole match. Is it as good as it is made otu to be, not in my opinion, but certainly one of the better WWE matches of the year.

Cena wouldnt be shit with Triple H, Edge and Undertaker around.

Wrong, he did just fine this year without any of them on the rosters.

Bad spots? How are they bad when the arena is exploding with crowd noise?

People have a tendency to slow down and watch car wrecks too. Jeff Hardy matches = car wrecks.

Ok, then John Cena is a glorified street brawler that doesnt belong in a wrestling ring..

No, Cena at least knows how to properly build a match and build to a climax, Jeff Hardy doesn't. He throws the whisper in the wind randomly into a match. There is no build up to it or anything, just a random spot.

LOL.
Do you not hear the guys pops? During his entrances, throughout his matches????

Amazing what the WWE marketing machine can do when it decides to get behind somebody. You can take anyone in the Locker Room and give them the push that Hardy is getting, and they would get the same response, period. The WWE is a well oiled machine, and they know how to push people, deservedly so or not. Hardy just happens to be in with the right person at the time.

Funny how Hardy draws more reaction from fans than Orton..

To quote Slyfox, Hardy is a face and Orton is a heel.

His matches and feuds. All of them were good in 07. Fuck the past, this is now.

As you said with my post, this is strictly opinion. Personally, the Morrison feud was terribly over rated, and the only reason the feud with Umaga is any good is because Umaga is watchable.

Apparently it means something to WWE, or he wouldn't be getting a push..

Yes, coming from the pay per view that has seen in recent years the likes of Test, Hardcore Holly, and Mark Henry receive world title shots, thats a coveted group of guys to be involved with. The WWE is pushing him because they don't trust him to main event a pay per view, that's why he's in a place where he's familiar, in the midcard for this pay per view while the Rumble is the main event.

No, too look at what he did in the year. 2008 is likely to be the year of the Hardy IMO.

Both of them will main event and may both walk away with gold.

Nope, Hardy will be involved in a midcard title feud with Orton while the Rumble and the Chamber main event the next two pay per views. Cena and Lashley will be back and Hardy will be flushed aside. On Smackdown, Edge and Taker will dominate the year, and MVP will rise. We've already seen how outmatched Matt is in the ring with Edge, we don't need to see it again.

How come he is about to win the gold at the Royal Rumble then? Or why would he even be main eventing the Royal Rumble??

That made zero sense. He must be doing something right or he wouldn't be in that position and don't give me the Triple H shit, it may have a little to do with it but not all of it.

He's about to win the gold? I thought he was in a match. The Royal Rumble is the main event, the world title match is a mid card match, where Jeff Hardy is comfortable, especially if it's gimmicked to hell and back to resemble a wrestling match as little as possible.

And please, This is Triple H and you know it as much as I do. If Jericho hadn't have come back, Hardy wouldn't be in this spot. It would be Michaels feuding with Orton right now.

The Cena match at NYR's was garbage, the LMS match is overrated but good.

Jeff's singles match with Umaga > Cena's with Umaga at NYR.

Jeff's Steel Cage match with Umaga = Cena's LMS match with Umaga. IMO.

And as you ahve said, matter of opinion. My opinion leads me to hit the skip button on my controller.

He's not great. He's just good enough to be a title contender. That is all.

Yup, a mid card title match on a pay per view traditionally designed to give unworthy people title shots while all the real stars are in the Rumble match.

 

[Shocky]

He has drawing ability NOW. What your talking about was 5 years ago. He continually gets some of the biggest pops, and pushes the most merchandise, NOW. You cant deny that, and im not sure what him looking bad against legends five years ago, has to do with him being legit now.

But it is relevant. Like I said earlier, we're not talking about a newer guy like an MVP, Kennedy, Dykstra or any of the young talent. In 2002 the guy was already a five year veteran in the WWE, and was still looking like a rookie when he was matched up with veterans. A leopard doesn't change it's spots. Hardy has had what, a feud with someone on his level like Morrison, he looked outmatched against Umaga, and the crowd in Pittsburgh gave two shits about his "awesome" match with Triple H at Armageddon.

They arent bad spots, just becuase YOU say they are bad spots. Yea he botches stuff sometimes. everyone does. The almoghty RVD who everyone on the IWC loves so much, botched the crap out of thousands of moves, and it was pretty often. But Jeff Hardy has girls cheering for him, so when he botches things, he isnt legit I guess. Its crazy really...Cena and Trips arent any good becuase they "only do 5 moves" but Hardy flys all over and does many many moves, then he is a "spot monkey". And if he isnt entertaining to the majority of the crowd, then how does he recieve such huge pops every night?? It seems to me, the majority of the crowd cheers wildly for him, and all of his "bad spots". All he does is a different style of wrestling, and just becuase YOU dont enjoy doesnt mean he doesnt belong in a wrestling ring.

The title of this thread asks if he is a legit contender, not if he "deserves this spot"....wtf did Cena or Batista "do" to deserve the runs that they got? Nothing, they had a look, and were popular, and they got pushed. Same thing with Jeff. He gets the biggest pops, sells a lot of merchandise, and puts on what I find to be, and from what I can hear, most of the crowd finds to be, very entertaining matches. Deserves this spot? eh, maybe for continually putting his body at huge risk doing spots, like the one the other night on RAW, but this thread isnt about deserving. Its abot if he is a legit contender right now. And from what WWE has clearly based their criteria for contenders and champions on, Jeff Hardy is a very legit contender.

Jeff Hardy is bad because he doesn't know how to work a proper WWE style wrestling match. He throws a bunch of moves together with little to sense to them at all. He doesn't work a body part, he just hits spot after spot to get a bigger and better crowd reaction. It's like a kid banging on a pot in a quiet room, whose going to get all of the attention. Jeff Hardy is all sizzle and no substance.

Cena was mega over, beyond anythign that Hardy is experiencing now. Don't believe me, pop in Wrestlemania 20 or 21 and you'll hear that crowd go insane when Cena comes out. I'm not a Cena fan myself, but you couldn't deny that the guy was going to get over. Plus, Cena has the ability to cut a promo, Hardy, not so much.


But is Jeff Hardy a legit title contender, sure, for the Royal Rumble. Like I've said before, guys like Hardcore Holly, Mark Henry, and Test get world title shots at the Royal Rumble, Jeff Hardy fits this mold. If you want to watch a real title match at the Rumble, stay tuned for Mysterio vs. Edge.

 

[justinsayne]

He's a one time wonder, if anything he may get another shot at Orton at No Way Out, but the bottom line is that Hardy is a mid-carder, he will never be the guy who can carry the company and most wrestling fans won't except him as champion if he were ever to win it, now keep in mind I do like Hardy, I do find him entertaining, and think that he has improved a lot, but the guy just isn't WWE champion material, all this match will be is the same thing we've seen the past couple weeks from Hardy, him jumping off of something big, only at the Rumble he'll crash and burn and Orton will pick up the clean victory, and most likely Hardy will go back to the mid-card where he belongs, maybe someday they'll give him the ECW title, but I think that's about the highest accomplishment he will ever achieve, but until then just accept Hardy for what he is, an entertaining (to some) upper mid-card talent, that is all he is, and most likely all he will ever be

 

[BDOG]

How can anyone say this guy does not deserve a title run??!! he is the ONLY one on the roster who actually risks his own health by jumping off cages and the stage!!! He is one of the hardest workers in the wwe and deserves every praise that he is getting... It would be a stupid mistake on the wwe's behalf to not give this guy a title run soon!! he is by far the most popular with the crowds.. just like cena was when he first one his wwe title

 

[mjuww]

Several WWE superstars went up to Jeff Hardy after last night’s edition of RAW and congratulated him on his insane Swanton onto Randy Orton. Hardy has gained a considerable amount of respect backstage as of late for all of his amazing work.

Wrestlezone

 

[TheOneBigWill]

Several WWE superstars went up to Jeff Hardy after last night’s edition of RAW and congratulated him on his insane Swanton onto Randy Orton.

Was this before, or after they got shit-faced drunk at the local bar? Congratulating Jeff Hardy on a spot dive, is like congratulating a stunt double for making it look real.

Hardy has gained a considerable amount of respect backstage as of late for all of his amazing work.

Amazing work? So, if I jump off the hood of my car, or the roof of my house, am I going to be congratulated too? Because I'd be showcasing just as much "talent" as Mr. Hardy.. well, except for the fact I wouldn't be diving onto a big foam mat. I guess that makes me more extreme than Hardy, huh.

 

[mjuww]

are you honestly telling me that this Hardy and Orton feud is not one of the best feuds the WWE has had in a long time.

Amazing work = being the saving grace of Raw for the past month may be something to consider

it makes wonder why people would risk injury on a free broadcast to entertain such ungrateful people, the whisper in the wind of the cage and swanton of the lighting rig was perfect storytelling, it showcased hardys character perfectly, of someone that is willing to do anything to win, with the whole take orton out it was done in true hardy fashion, some people certainly on this board dont understand or accept when doing a risky spot is part of story, and i applaud WWE, Hardy and Orton for a fantastic feud so far.

Its the muscleheads that need to busted down to midcard or out the door, and look at lashley he was given 10x the push Hardy as been given and he was no where near as over as Hardy so in reponse to the idiot that said you can push anyone as a babyface as over as Hardy is idiotic

 

[TheOneBigWill]

are you honestly telling me that this Hardy and Orton feud is not one of the best feuds the WWE has had in a long time.

Uhm.. J.B.L./Y.2.J., Shawn Michaels/Mr. Kennedy, Randy Orton/Shawn Michaels, Edge/Undertaker, M.V.P./Matt Hardy, Colin/Monsters.. yeah, I'd say all of those are far more entertaining & the Hardy/Orton feud is just a monthly stepping stone.

I'm sure you can tell me, which is why I'm asking.. what makes the Randy Orton/Jeff Hardy feud so amazing?

Amazing work = being the saving grace of Raw for the past month may be something to consider

Saving Grace? Are you.. WHAT?! Where on earth are you getting your opinion from? Just randomly, do you live with the Ultimate Warrior in Parts Unknown, or are you just a free spirit that smokes a lot of the wacky tabacky?

I'd say Superstars like Shawn Michaels, Triple H., Ric Flair even.. are all more of a saving grace to Raw than Hardy is. Why do you believe Jeff Hardy is a saving grace?

it makes wonder why people would risk injury on a free broadcast to entertain such ungrateful people

Maybe because if he didn't do the big spots week after week, there'd be nothing worth watching out of him?

 

[justinsayne]

are you honestly telling me that this Hardy and Orton feud is not one of the best feuds the WWE has had in a long time.

Amazing work = being the saving grace of Raw for the past month may be something to consider

it makes wonder why people would risk injury on a free broadcast to entertain such ungrateful people

No, it's not a good feud, it's pretty badly done actuelly, other than actually giving Hardy mic time, and showing that he can talk and his promo skills are improving, the feud has pretty much just consisted of Jeff owning Randy and jumping of high places, that's it, how the fuck can anybody take this fued seriously, and beleive Jeff can actually win, c'mon people, I'm a hardy fan too, but the simple fact is that the guy isn't anything more than mid-card material, always has been always will be

Do you people honastly beleive they would give Jeff the top title in the company this close to the biggest show of the year?!?!?

Doing that spot last night, as much of a "holy shit!!" moment as it was was actually a really bad idea, cause what do they have for the hug spot in the match at the Rumble, nothing cause you can't top that, unless they do something totally fucking nuts, and what if one (if not both) of them would have gotten injured last night, then WWE would be fucked, and have to scramble to fill the hole that would be left, I know they are both fine, but think about it, what if they would have gotten hurt then what?

 

[mjuww]

saving grace maybe because without this Hardy/Orton feud, Raw has been almost unwatchable for the last month, i dont know what you have been watching

Shawn Michaels has been in a passable feud with Kennedy
Triple H has been fucking about with Regal and McMahon
and Ric Flair as good as he once was is past it and needs to retire to a non-wrestling role

Looking at the poll it seems like a good majority on here agree with me