It's Wrestling, Not Shakespeare

[ZeroVX]

Difference between WWE and TNA plots:

WWE: plot holes fairly minor and you have to nitpick to find them. Example: OMG WHY DID CENA'S MUSIC PLAY HE WAS FIRED!

TNA: plot holes so big that you could drive a plane filled with cars through them. Example: why Immortal was even formed.

Also, yeah, obviously wrestling isn't Shakespeare, nor should it aspire to be, since it'll just fall flat on its face, but a little continuity wouldn't hurt, would it? I'm not saying I hate the Cena storyline, I actually like it. I just would've liked it more had they made it seem slightly more real.

 

[shattered dreams]

You know it is possible to want to like a company because you see a lot of good talent on the roster and loads of potential in the company but not be able to stomach the shit product said company currently continues to put out on a weekly basis... just ya know sayin'...

Duh? That wasn't the point of that comment. The point is if you actually want to like something you should give it the same benefit of the doubt opposed to being biased against it. If you do not want people nitpicking WWE and you want to like TNA then why do you nitpick TNA and brush WWE shortcomings under the rug of shut up you idiot.

Zero, What is so egregious about the formation of immortal explanation that you do not have to nitpick to find it?

It all comes down to how your bias defines words like minor vs major, believable vs unbelievable, entertaining vs wwe programming etc.

 

[D-Man]

Actually I do not think I have ever seen anyone change their mind about anything on WZ, at least not in the short-term. Makes you wonder why we waste our time with these so called discussions to begin with.

So you're unfamiliar with how the fans shunned wrestlers like the Miz, Sheamus, Orton, and many others before they became breakout stars? Or how they mocked storylines of the past, only to praise them once their true plan was unfolded? How about when the fans love a wrestler for years until their character gets stale (a.k.a. Rey Mysterio)?

Hypocrisy goes hand in hand with the IWC.

 

[bigdogstalfos]

There are legitimate criticisms one could level at how the Cena-Nexus angle is developing. You could say it was too soon for Cena to possibly get rehired, as it prevents suspense from building, or having Nexus cave only two weeks into Cena's attacks makes them look weak and reinforces that they are nothing without Barrett. I don't agree with those assessments, but at least they are not knee jerk reactions. "This is dumb because security didn't arrest Cena" is not among them.

Unless WWE resurrects O. Henry and gets him to write swerves for them, there will be plotholes in turning point moments like this. That's just the way it is. But "Cena has a mike" as a hole is pretty much the size of the eye of a needle compared to "Bischoff paid off Pope's congregation to turn on him in his lumberjack match with Abyss, so Pope has a casket match with Abyss in retaliation," which is big enough it has its own gravitational pull.

All wrestling writing is flawed. If it's interesting otherwise (which is subjective), you can overlook the flaws. But when the flaws impact the story to the point where there are major coherence issues, then it has a negative effect on my viewing it.

 

[ZeroVX]

Zero, What is so egregious about the formation of immortal explanation that you do not have to nitpick to find it?

The fact that it came out of nowhere? The fact that Hogan is now working with Abyss after feuding with him after being his best buddy ever? The fact that it made Jarrett turn heel while Samoa Joe was fighting other heels that we originally thought were "they"? The fact that we still have no idea as to why Jeff Hardy is suddenly heel? The fact that this is yet again just an excuse to put Hogan on TV even though no one wants to admit it?

Look, the turn was unexpected. However, as I'm sure you've heard before, unexpected does not automatically equal "good". If Russo learned that a long time ago, I'm sure WCW would still be around in some form.

all comes down to how your bias defines words like minor vs major, believable vs unbelievable, entertaining vs wwe programming etc.

You are the last person who should ever talk about bias.

 

[shattered dreams]

So you're unfamiliar with how the fans shunned wrestlers like the Miz, Sheamus, Orton, and many others before they became breakout stars? Or how they mocked storylines of the past, only to praise them once their true plan was unfolded? How about when the fans love a wrestler for years until their character gets stale (a.k.a. Rey Mysterio)?

Hypocrisy goes hand in hand with the IWC.

No, but I am familiar with what short-term means. Hypocrisy is the bread and butter of the IWC but it is not because they change their mind over time. That isn't hypocritical. That just means being wrong goes hand and hand with the IWC. Why the IWC is hypocritical is that people present a variety of opinions and then try and justify them blindly with no acknowledgment of the contradictory nature of the statements compared to other "arguments" they have previously put out there. Hence, we end up with one of the biggest nitpickers of TNA complaining about one instance of nitpicking in WWE like the entire practice is the most asinine thing of all-time. Nevermind that he has been ignoring and putting down people saying quit nitpicking it is a fucking wrestling storyline to him for months.

 

[Con T.]

No, but I am familiar with what short-term means. Hypocrisy is the bread and butter of the IWC but it is not because they change their mind over time. That isn't hypocritical. That just means being wrong goes hand and hand with the IWC. Why the IWC is hypocritical is that people present a variety of opinions and then try and justify them blindly with no acknowledgment of the contradictory nature of the statements compared to other "arguments" they have previously put out there. Hence, we end up with one of the biggest nitpickers of TNA complaining about one instance of nitpicking in WWE like the entire practice is the most asinine thing of all-time. Nevermind that he has been ignoring and putting down people saying quit nitpicking it is a fucking wrestling storyline to him for months.

Did anyone lolz to this one?

Dude, from what I've seen from you so, that's all you've done on this forum. Literally. I haven't seen you pull anything beside the "Blindly follow TNA" gimmick since I've gotten here, while in the meantime, jumping on anything the WWE does that you deem slightly weak.

Seriously, it should make you gag just how much of Dixie's cock you have in your mouth. Justinsayne is right. You can like a show and it's talent, while at the same time acknowledging it's weaknesses. Try it some time

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

The fact that it came out of nowhere?

I don't like TNA, but I'm going to have to defend them here. Immortal might have come out of 'nowhere' but you know who else did?..

Nexus came out of nowhere. They were a bunch of rookies that were on a show, competing to be WWE's next breakout star. At the time, nobody knew they were going to come and destroy Raw then become WWE's most dominant group in recent history.

 

[Coco]

So you're unfamiliar with how the fans shunned wrestlers like the Miz, Sheamus, Orton, and many others before they became breakout stars? Or how they mocked storylines of the past, only to praise them once their true plan was unfolded? How about when the fans love a wrestler for years until their character gets stale (a.k.a. Rey Mysterio)?

Hypocrisy goes hand in hand with the IWC.

Changing one's opinion over time is not necessarily hypocrisy.

 

[shattered dreams]

What I lulz at is that WWE marks think what I do is so drastically different from what they do. Same act, different opinions yet somehow I am the the most annoying whatever and they are all geniuses.

 

[Con T.]

I don't like TNA, but I'm going to have to defend them here. Immortal might have come out of 'nowhere' but you know who else did?..

Nexus came out of nowhere. They were a bunch of rookies that were on a show, competing to be WWE's next breakout star. At the time, nobody knew they were going to come and destroy Raw then become WWE's most dominant group in recent history.

Big difference between "out of nowhere" and "nonsensical". Nexus was pissed about how they were treated on NXT. They wanted contracts. They realized that as a group they can achieve their goal.

Immortal, on the other hand... Why does 4Chan want in on Immortal? Because they hate EV 2.0 coming in? Wasn't Hogan one of EV's biggest supporters for coming into TNA? And didn't Abyss and Jeff Hardy wind up brawling over and over when Abyss stated "they" were coming?

Again, big difference between out of nowhere and nonsensical

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

What I lulz at is that WWE marks think what I do is so drastically different from what they do. Same act, different opinions yet somehow I am the the most annoying whatever and they are all geniuses.

What I lulz at is that you're blind.

 

[Con T.]

What I lulz at is that WWE marks think what I do is so drastically different from what they do. Same act, different opinions yet somehow I am the the most annoying whatever and they are all geniuses.

I'm not a mark for either company. I want to like both companies. Have you ever thought there's a reason you're in the minority? That "everyone" seems to be ganging up on you? There's likely a reason why

 

[Coco]

I'm not a mark for either company. I want to like both companies. Have you ever thought there's a reason you're in the minority? That "everyone" seems to be ganging up on you? There's likely a reason why

That's what my great, great, great grandparents used to tell the slave.

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

That's what my great, great, great grandparents used to tell the slave.

rep.

 

[Con T.]

That's what my great, great, great grandparents used to tell the slave.

Exactly. And the world was better that way

Inb4criesofracism

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

Back to the matter at hand..

shattered dreams, the only reason I have a problem with you is that you try and force TNA upon everybody and can't handle knowing that people don't like it.

What's so good about TNA's product that makes you want to be the blind drone that follows them so dearly? I don't have a problem with you liking TNA's product no, that's your own opinion, but when you bash WWE fans for liking their product it's irritating.

WWE's been around since the mid 50s? correct me if I'm wrong. TNA's been alive 8, just coming up to 9 years. For starters, WWE is the biggest wrestling business in the world, so you can't possibly change the opinions of most likely over a hundred million fans.

Your 'precious' company have done nothing but sign more talent since 2006, and waste all their money away and for what? To be in the same rut they started off as in 2002 just to have earned the benefits of a square ring and a 0.01 rise in ratings?

I'm sorry, but there's a limit to how blind you can be and you've crossed it.

 

[shattered dreams]

Big difference between "out of nowhere" and "nonsensical". Nexus was pissed about how they were treated on NXT. They wanted contracts. They realized that as a group they can achieve their goal.

Well Barrett had a contract and title shot which he gave up to beat up cena for the hell of it and spend a few months trying to ... get a title shot?

Wasn't Hogan one of EV's biggest supporters for coming into TNA? And didn't Abyss and Jeff Hardy wind up brawling over and over when Abyss stated "they" were coming?

If you don't watch don't comment. Hogan was still pretending to be a good guy then. They made that beyond obvious. And no one in nexus fought on nxt?

Again, big difference between out of nowhere and
nonsensical

The difference is that it can be whichever one you want because of the nature of wrestling stories. If you want to be a dick about it all wrestling stories fail. If you want to watch for entertainment they more or less pass.

 

[ABMorales787]

This site needs more ROHbots.

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

This site needs more ROHbots.

This site needs the Independents section back.

 

[Coco]

Yeah, Killjoy. So does ROH.

 

[ABMorales787]

Back to the matter at hand..

shattered dreams, the only reason I have a problem with you is that you try and force TNA upon everybody and can't handle knowing that people don't like it.

What's so good about TNA's product that makes you want to be the blind drone that follows them so dearly? I don't have a problem with you liking TNA's product no, that's your own opinion, but when you bash WWE fans for liking their product it's irritating.

WWE's been around since the mid 50s? correct me if I'm wrong. TNA's been alive 8, just coming up to 9 years. For starters, WWE is the biggest wrestling business in the world, so you can't possibly change the opinions of most likely over a hundred million fans.

Your 'precious' company have done nothing but sign more talent since 2006, and waste all their money away and for what? To be in the same rut they started off as in 2002 just to have earned the benefits of a square ring and a 0.01 rise in ratings?

I'm sorry, but there's a limit to how blind you can be and you've crossed it.

Now who's being blind?

 

[Coco]

I don't understand the argument that TNA needs more time to grow. How long did it take American Idol to establish a brand?

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

Now who's being blind?

Stating facts isn't being blind, Killjoy. TNA will never be at the level of WWE.

Would I like to see TNA as a formidable threat to WWE's fanbase and modern day-phenomenon? Yeah, of course I would.

Although, that has about as much chance as me growing an arm out of my left nut and naming it Alberto Dorito.

 

[shattered dreams]

Back to the matter at hand..

Actually the matter at hand is nitpicking wrestling stories but it can be about me if it pleases the audience to change the subject.

shattered dreams, the only reason I have a problem with you is that you try and force TNA upon everybody and can't handle knowing that people don't like it.

I could really give a flying fuck if you like TNA. Only thing I do not like is when people talk shit about it incessantly based on poor reasoning or contradictory statements.

What's so good about TNA's product that makes you want to be the blind drone that follows them so dearly? I don't have a problem with you liking TNA's product no, that's your own opinion, but when you bash WWE fans for liking their product it's irritating.

Just like it is irritating when the shoe is on the other foot.

WWE's been around since the mid 50s? correct me if I'm wrong. TNA's been alive 8, just coming up to 9 years. For starters, WWE is the biggest wrestling business in the world, so you can't possibly change the opinions of most likely over a hundred million fans.

Not trying to change anyones opinion. Watch WWE if you like it.

Your 'precious' company have done nothing but sign more talent since 2006, and waste all their money away and for what? To be in the same rut they started off as in 2002 just to have earned the benefits of a square ring and a 0.01 rise in ratings?

If you really think TNA is basically the same as 2002 then you are not helping the case for intelligent WWE prefers. Also, they started with a square ring genius.