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Is Triple H The Most Overrated Superstar of All Time?

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I mean the dude is decent in the ring at best.There's nothing great about him. Hes good on the mic,but in all honesty if he wasnt screwing Stephanie would he be a 14 time world champion? I mean for years people complained about him holding talent back. Not only that how in the hell does this guy win the world title more than Austin, HBK,Brett Hart, The Rock & Taker? Those guys are miles better than him. If Anything HBK/ Taker shouldve won the belt that many times. Taker carried his ass at WM 27.

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first off, this is like the 48th thread about this same subject....second, cena has more title reigns than undertaker and shawn michaels, is he better??? by the end of it all his 13 reigns will be surpassed by somebody...the rock wasnt anything special in the ring, he was just that entertaining that we ignored it...and this whole bs about him winning titles cause he married the bosses daughter is just getting silly already...they were married in 03, hhh had 7 title reigns by that time...hes solid in the ring and he isnt a spot monkey or anything he precise and executes...was harley race overrated??? greg valentine?? and maybe he wouldnt have so many title reigns if the rock didnt leave for hollywood or there wasnt so many wack wrestlers on raw for years...and so u know, watch the shoot with road dogg a little after he left wwe and wasnt with that a-hole billy gunn, he says that stone cold and the rock were always told what to say on the mic and a lot of their catchphrases wasnt created by them, but triple h never had too and his promos and catchphrases were all him....
 
Wow. Dude, you are probably one of the biggest trolls in the history of these Forums. Congratulations. If only you could spell your way out of a nutsack, then maybe you'd get a decent amount of respect.

Alas, this is not the case. But I'll play along, I suppose. Whether or not he was banging Stephanie, he would still have a mass amount of World Titles. Why? Because he was easily the best heel of the 2000's. Being the best anything for an entire decade is more than enough reason to label him as an all time great. Now I will say that he kept himself in the limelight a bit too much, and he didn't help enough guys get over in the earlier part of the decade, but he definitely helped guys like Batista, Cena, Orton, and Sheamus some of the best stars of today. Also, he clearly is one of the most over guys on the entire roster so I'd say he deserves some recognition.

I'll just keep going back to this old argument just to piss you off. You think R-Truth is better than Cena. Your opinion on anything is completely irrelevant. It's going to take a tremendous amount of work to dig you out of that monster of a hole.
 
He won the belt more than those guys because he competed in a different era. There are two World titles now, so there is double the chance to hold a strap.

He won it more than Bret because Bret was only a main eventer from 1992-1997. HBK was one from 1996-1998. The Rock left, period. Austin, again, left and was forced out due to injury. Austin was at the top from 1998-2003, but he missed almost all of 2000 and 2002. Triple H has been at or near the top since 1999 and he missed 2001, 2007 and 2010. The Undertaker never needed the belt. He was over without it; his character didn't need it. Triple H's character for a long time was based around him being the best. To be the best you have to be the champion or chasing the champion.

Triple H is far from the most overrated. He is one of the all-time greats and deservedly so. Overrated would be someone like Batista. Multiple world championships and he never showed any improvement. His best matches were with Triple H and Undertaker. But the guy was stale, bland and boring. He never seemed to get better. He was as good in 2005 as he was in 2009. That's overrated. Triple H, far from it.
 
Well, first off, the guy who is the most Overrated superstar of all time is Bill Goldberg. Yes, he was fun to watch, but dangerous to work with, and not also that. But you could of taken any person from the development program and slapped the same indestructible gimmick, and unstoppable reign.

For HHH being over-rated, that's just insane. The reason why? He went to wrestling school, he went other promos. He build his career. A lot of gimmicks before he got the right character for him. Plus, when he was a heel, he was great. Destroying people with that Sledge-hammer. It was great.

His promos were good, and still are. A lot of love for the business he has too. If you were saying Diamond Dallas Page, or Bill Goldberg. I would jump on that boat with ya.
 
i have to agree about him been overated and there is no way he should have 14 titles, and i don't even rate his mic skills. His move set is basic ( hits a great spinebuster though). I liked him in dx because he cut some funny promos but thats about it.
 
Wow. Dude, you are probably one of the biggest trolls in the history of these Forums. Congratulations. If only you could spell your way out of a nutsack, then maybe you'd get a decent amount of respect.

Alas, this is not the case. But I'll play along, I suppose. Whether or not he was banging Stephanie, he would still have a mass amount of World Titles. Why? Because he was easily the best heel of the 2000's. Being the best anything for an entire decade is more than enough reason to label him as an all time great. Now I will say that he kept himself in the limelight a bit too much, and he didn't help enough guys get over in the earlier part of the decade, but he definitely helped guys like Batista, Cena, Orton, and Sheamus some of the best stars of today. Also, he clearly is one of the most over guys on the entire roster so I'd say he deserves some recognition.

I'll just keep going back to this old argument just to piss you off. You think R-Truth is better than Cena. Your opinion on anything is completely irrelevant. It's going to take a tremendous amount of work to dig you out of that monster of a hole.

If my opinion is irrelevant why are you posting on my threads? Secondly everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In my opinion Triple H would not be a 14 time world champion had he not been screwing Vinces daughter. He was released from WCW before he even started his career in the WWF. I think he won world title before he met Stephanie, but thats because he was close to HBK who was close to Vince. Remember it was Triple H idea for the montreal incident with Brett Hart. That got him in good with Vince.

Only thing Triple H ever worked hard at was getting close to Vince. He had everything given to him on a silver platter. He does not deserve to be a 14 time world champ some of them times he won was just bullshit. Like how he came back after being gone from injury and just showed up at a ppv, WITH NO BUILD UP OR ANYTHING and beat Booker T. That was bullshit. The elimination chamber match with Edge was bull shit. He basically got a few free titles. He is an overrated piece of shit.
 
He's one of the most overrated, but not as overrated as Randy Orton is currently by his fans.

The commentary team used to try to put Triple H over by calling him the best wrestler in the world for a long time, but the reality is that Triple H is not a top fifteen star of all time. Anyone who denies that he'd only have half the world titles if he wasn't the male Michelle McCool is simply being delusional.

His ability on the mic is really overrated too. As a babyface his promos are not interesting at all, and he fails to be funny every time he tries his comedy act.

His wrestling is good but nothing spectacular, and his matches are forgettable unless he's working with a top talent in the ring. He's been involved in some of my favourite matches ever against Shawn Michaels, but he's also had his good share of shit matches (Orton, Nash, Steiner, RVD, Goldberg, etc).
 
WTF are you serious you take a shoot interview where clearly The Outlaws are talking about HHH personally still give him credit professionally start a completely biased thread to no avail about this guy being overrated but instead come off looking like a 12 year old 3rd grader. FAIL! Wheres your evidence stating that HHH is overrated EPIC FAIL!
 
He's one of the most overrated, but not as overrated as Randy Orton is currently by his fans.

The commentary team used to try to put Triple H over by calling him the best wrestler in the world for a long time, but the reality is that Triple H is not a top fifteen star of all time. Anyone who denies that he'd only have half the world titles if he wasn't the male Michelle McCool is simply being delusional.

His ability on the mic is really overrated too. As a babyface his promos are not interesting at all, and he fails to be funny every time he tries his comedy act.

His wrestling is good but nothing spectacular, and his matches are forgettable unless he's working with a top talent in the ring. He's been involved in some of my favourite matches ever against Shawn Michaels, but he's also had his good share of shit matches (Orton, Nash, Steiner, RVD, Goldberg, etc).

Wow you hit the nail right on the head. Great post. Yeah i remember the commentators used to hype this guy up. And like how could anyone have a bad match with RVD? LOL
 
I'm pretty sure I can take a shoot interview and find evidence against any legend ever.
This interview is two digruntled workers pissed off because they never broke out as singles superstars. Telling them they couldn't get over because they were always drugged out is a perfectly fine reason to hold them down. Oh, and calling a tag team midcard is an insult? seems more like a definition.

World title reigns are a bad way of telling how a superstars career has gone, granted that having 14 or 16 titles means you were probably a wrestling icon, but some of the greatest have held is only a couple times, or even never.

Not to mention, He was a main event player before the Stephanie storyline, he was already going to be the face of WWE after Rock and Austin were out.

If he had helped rub the NAO to the main event, this topic would be about how stupid it was to push a couple of drug addicts at the ME
 
Its crazy how many threads have been made on this but ill make a few points anyway

1. Yes it can be argued that the fact he was in the klique and he was close with shawn michaells helped get him pushed but at the end of the day Everyone plays politics to help get over, Sheamus did it The klique did it and many others did it. When vince is deceiding who to push the fact the someone has played politics and gets on well with most of the guys in the locker room will influence his deceison hes less likely to push someone who is very quiet and has not played politics.

2. Also by the way realbrutha the fact he was realeased from wcw means nothing. Ill name a few people who were also released by the "rasslin" company Edge, Undertaker and stone cold WCW released alot of top guys you cant say they are all over rated.

3. Finally Triple h pretty much carried raw around 03 to 05 if he was so over rated raw would have bombed but it didnt because hes damm good at what he does. Hes one of the best heels in the business and can pull of a great match. His match with chris benoit and shawn michaells has been named on of the best ever by posters on this site. So while i feel you are entitled to your opinion i have to disagree.

4. I remember reading undisputed by Chris Jericho and he mentioned how triple h insisted on being put in the walls of jericho minutes after he tore his quad because he didnt want to weaken the match. He also hopped into the ring and broke up a pin with a god damm torn quad thats commitment! :worship:
 
I mean the dude is decent in the ring at best.There's nothing great about him. Hes good on the mic,but in all honesty if he wasnt screwing Stephanie would he be a 14 time world champion? I mean for years people complained about him holding talent back. Not only that how in the hell does this guy win the world title more than Austin, HBK,Brett Hart, The Rock & Taker? Those guys are miles better than him. If Anything HBK/ Taker shouldve won the belt that many times. Taker carried his ass at WM 27.

1) He may be decent in the ring, but he has given us some of the best matches the past 10-15 years. That is all that matters.

2) He's won more titles because he's competed longer than half those guys and most of them competed when there was only 1 title and much longer reigns than today. the business has evolved in that sense.

3) He would still be a main eventer and one of the greatest of all time if he didn't marry Stephanie. If you can't see his talent and charisma that qualifies him as a legit main eventer, then I don't want to hear any other opinions you have.

4) Taker carried him at Mania? LMAO what match were you watching!? Taker had pretty much zero offense in that match up until the finish. :lmao:
 
1) He may be decent in the ring, but he has given us some of the best matches the past 10-15 years. That is all that matters.

2) He's won more titles because he's competed longer than half those guys and most of them competed when there was only 1 title and much longer reigns than today. the business has evolved in that sense.

3) He would still be a main eventer and one of the greatest of all time if he didn't marry Stephanie. If you can't see his talent and charisma that qualifies him as a legit main eventer, then I don't want to hear any other opinions you have.

4) Taker carried him at Mania? LMAO what match were you watching!? Taker had pretty much zero offense in that match up until the finish. :lmao:

Would he have won a few world title if it werent for stephanie ? Well he won one before he met stephanie . But also, people keep forgetting about the Montreal incident with Brett Hart & HBK. This was Triple H's idea. HBK & Triple said it themselves in a shoot interview. If you think that he didnt get in good with Vince after that? You are being delusional. Remember Vince told HHH him nor HBK were ever to talk about what really happened in Montreal. Hell If he wouldve done anything to make Triple H unhappy, or want to leave the company. Triple H couldve exposed him.
 
I think Triple H's critics overlook whats most important about him.. hes one hell of an entertainer. Whether you feel that his ring skills arent the best.. which i disagree with.. or that Taker carried him at Wrestlemania? lol.... I think Hunter held his own just fine.. hes one of the all time greats on the mic. I mean cmon.. all the DX skits? those are fucking hilarious man..

and never forget.. his transition from Hunter Hearst Helmsley to Triple H.. The Game.. was all him. He saw the opportunity and he ran with it. The Rock wouldn't have been born without Vince Russo.. it was Russo who told him how to act and talk in 3rd person and such and then the Rock's natural charisma took it from there..

Triple H lives and breathes the wrestling business.. Ive got all the respect in the world for him.
 
blah blah blah all this bullshit about HHH is getting old. Look if he wasn't good and dedicated to the buisness, there is no chance in hell he would have lasted this long in the WWE. For Christ's sake, he is in WWE since 1994 when it was still called WWF. Yeah he is part of the kliq but if you do something really stupid you are out no matter what, just ask Scott Hall and Sean Waltman. Yeah he is married to Stephanie Mcmahon, but that happened only around 2000-2001 so if he was so bad he wouldh't have met her in the first place because he would have been fired before that.

Anyways, Triple-H is a legend just like Undertaker, Bret Hart, Hogan etc. To say otherwise is foolish.
 
Overrated, sure... Most overrated, not even close.

The most overrated wrestler of all time is Ric Flair. He was good back in the day, but he has't had a great match since like 1987 and his promos the last twenty years have been incoherent old man babble, and yet for some reason he's regarded as the best ever, going as far as calling himself "god."

I guarantee someone's going to flame me for this because I pissed all over someone's Holy Grail of wrestling, and when you think about it, isn't that the definition of overrated?
 
HHH isn't really overrated as much as he's just flat out hated....as we can all see from this thread.
I truly do believe that HHH wouldn't be a 13-14 time champ hadn't it been for Steph BUT that's not to say he wouldn't have had like 9 or 10 regardless.
And whoever said that RAW didn't bomb in 2003-2005 might want to rethink that because HHH was just STOMPING everybody on RAW at that time, the man had the belt time after time after time and just kept rolling over EVERYBODY. Personally I couldn't stand his "reign of terror" at the time but hey, I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
He's a good wrestler, and when he's doing what he can to help/promote people in the ring and backstage then I've got nothing but respect for the guy.
But 2003-2005 really made me hate the guy so I'm a little iffy with flat out giving him 100% respect.
 
Ok HHH and i amit i am HHH,S biggest fan i liked the bloke when he first enetered the wwe/f he when good when he was the royal blue blood Hunter Hurst Helmsley and he got better and better he is great on the mic great in ring performer and apparently he is a gd judge of talent like i heard on here the other day he was the one who scouted SIN CARA
Yes i know maybe the likes of randy orton,batista,roadd dogg,billy gunn,x-pac may have had bigger careers if they wasnt in a faction with him and maybe randy orton would have won his first world title b4 he did if he was runing on his own but and this is a big but they all got there big chances after working with HHH and that was b4 as u all put it he banging steph the bloke was destined to be great i think if it wasnt for all the injures he probaley would have surpased ric flairs 16 time world title record to be honest

and its a shame that roadd dogg and billy gunn dint get on with him as along with him and undertaker they was me favourite wrestlers
 
triple h is overated. but thats not wat ur askin. ur askin if hes THE most overated wrestler ever. were 4getten THE most overrated wrestler(and i use that term lightly) ever is Hulk Hogan. theres a waste of space 4 ya.
 
Oh dude now you are just being a troll. For fuck's sake, Triple H has done alot for this business, I don't know if it has something to do with him being married to Stephanie, fact of the matter is NEITHER DO YOU so stop being a troll that saying idiotic things. Triple H was champion before he got married "well it was because he knew HBK". :wtf: What kind of argument is that?

Triple H is probably one of the greatest heels this business has seen, Triple H is average? Have you watch any of his matches with Foley, HBK, Cena, Jeff Hardy ( the fucking pothead had great matches with him), Austin, Rock ETC, ETC?

I always said in this kind of threads, at some point HHH didn't get over nobody however have you seen the last couple of years? Hardy, Orton, Cena, Batista, Sheamus and he even tried with Kozlov, for fuck's sake KOZLOV!

Look man is "logic" to say that HHH is an asshole but that video shows a couple of men that are clearly angry towards HHH. But who else talks shit about Hunter? Besides these two and trolls like you? Absolutely NO ONE. Triple H deserves where he is today, he has done so much for the WWE and has taken so many blows before being the top dog he is.
 
I wouldn't call Triple H overrated, but I'd be willing to listen to an argument for that viewpoint. However, I would laugh in the face of anyone who told me Triple H was the most overrated of all time.

The fact of the matter is, Triple H has been a solid force throughout his WWE career. He was a huge part of one of the most successful factions since the Four Horsemen, he played third string behind Stone Cold and Rock very well during the late 90s and early 2000s, and he really carried the company for the early part of the post-attitude era. After Cena took over the role face of the WWE, Triple H once again settled into a very solid support role.

Not good in the ring? Ha. It's been said before but I'll say it again, you don't have to be able to do a springboard huricanrana transitioned into a knee bar to be a good wrestler, it comes down to putting on a solid match and using the moves you do know to bring out emotion, and Triple H is great at this. Take a look at the Triple Threat at Wrestlemania XX and tell me that isn't a great match. Look at Triple H's bouts with The Rock and tell me that those matches weren't superb. Look at his street fight with Mick Foley (as Cactus Jack) at Royal Rumble 2000 and tell me Triple H doesn't know how to put on a great match.

And Triple H is anything but overrated on the mic. In fact, I think he's one of the most talented guys on the mic in the company now, perhaps ever. He can be funny when he needs to, and he's obviously very good at cutting a serious promo. He can use his talking skills to get himself over as either a face or a heel, a quality you don't often find in wrestlers. Finally, he is one of the best improvisers I've ever seen, and does very well when put on the spot or thrown into an odd situation.

Like I said, I don't think Triple H is overrated at all. I think very few people would put him on the list of top 10 wrestlers of all time, but he would certainly make the top 25, and deservedly so. Some would say that's still overrated, but only a fool would argue that he's more overrated than the likes of Jeff Jarrett, Mr. Kennedy, the Ultimate Warrior, or many more.
 
Interesting video clip.

I wish I hadn't watched it, as I lost a lot of respect for the New Age Outlaws with their whiny, backbiting. Crying about Triple H, yeah, I've heard that before. But JR as well?

For shame.

As for most overrated superstars of all time, I just slid the New Age Outlaws higher up that list.

Triple H, he's nowhere to be found on it.
 
The most overrated of all time? Hell no. Not even remotely close. Off the top of my head, names that spring to mind that have far more merit for the "honor" of being the most overrated superstar of all time include Bill Goldberg, Rob Van Dam, Shane Douglas, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, Lex Luger, Batista & Kevin Nash among others.

Triple H has his critics just as virtually every major star professional wrestling has ever produced does. There are always going to be other wrestlers that are simply upset that someone else got the spots they feel that they deserved. You hear about it all the time, especially in this day and age. If I had a dollar for every disgruntled guy that worked ever worked for a huge wrestling company that gave a shoot interview or posted a video on the internet saying that they should have been a main eventer, I could have long since retired to my own private tropical island somewhere. A cold hard fact of life, one among many in pro wrestling, is that not everybody can be, is good enough to be and/or is going to be a main eventer. For one thing, there's just simply not enough spots and that's something that all the backstage politics in the world can't be blamed for. Creating main event stars isn't an exact science, never has been. The powers that be have to ultimately look at a guy and, based on what they see out of him, decide that he should be in the top spot or he shouldn't. Do talented guys sometimes get passed over? Yes they do, unfortunately, but, again, that's just how it goes. Sometimes the right call is made and sometimes it isn't. The majority of the ones that do bitch and complain have to have someone to blame. It's easier than admitting that they just simply didn't have the stuff, even if they only admit it to themselves.

First and foremost, Vince McMahon is a businessman. His entire life is the WWE and that's not likely to change. If Vince didn't feel that Triple H deserved to be a main eventer for the past decade, then Trips wouldn't have been there. Triple H has been a 13 time World Champion & main event level talent for all this time for one very important reason: he's a draw. If you're a draw, that means you make money. If you make money, then why shouldn't you be elevated to higher spots on the roster? It's not about what's "fair" or "right", it's about what puts asses in seats both in arenas and at home in front of the television. Triple H does that and he does that because a LOT of people like seeing him do his thing. The fans care what he does and THAT is ultimately what matters the most. Doesn't matter how many flips you can do, doesn't matter how handsome your face is, doesn't matter how tight your abs are, doesn't matter how many amaterur championships you won, doesn't matter how many years you may have killed yourself working the indy circuit if you can't get the fans to invest their time and money in you. Triple H can, he does and that's why he's where he's at.
 
The guy was screwing Chyna for christ sakes. Nuff Said. Yes, Triple H is overrated. This garbage era started what around 2003. Lets see, whose in charge of creative. She is married to who, Triple H. Triple h usually wastes 15 minutes of raw for promos. His matches are the equivalent to John Cenas. The big difference is Cena products sell, HHH's dont. Thats the extent of it. Hes never been a stand out wrestler.
 

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