What Taker did at Unforgiven 02 was unprofessional. I am sure Vince threatened him or something if he didn't do the job to Brock Lesnar.. He probably put him in the HIAC so he wouldn't be able to walk out. When was the last time we've seen those cheesy, embarrassing effects? Are you kidding me? He does this crap all the time. He raises his arms and the lights go on.. He comes out with smoke and lightening. Some dude tries to escape, he stops then with FIRE. Wasn't Shawn Michaels stopped by fire before WM 25? That was embarrassing. Appearing out of God knows where is still cheesy. Didn't you see that awful, GOD awful segment with Teddy Long a few weeks ago? An example that he embarrassing to watch. His promo last week was terrible. "I am going to send you to hell".. Talking about the devil and angles or something like that? Since wrestling is fake, why did you bring up the Cena point? Since wrestling is fake, why do so many people don't want Rey Mysterio as the world champion? Seriously.. I don't have a problem with Taker's awful character, I usually ignore it... But what gets to me is that people don't like it when Cena overcomes the odds and beats up 15 people at the same time (which Taker has done a billion times), or when Rey became the world heavyweight champion. That's just pure hypocrisy. Let's make Hornswoggle the WWE champ.. cause wrestlings fake, eh?
LOL! you really have no idea how wrestling works do you? the no contest finish at Unforgiven with Lesnar was to set up the next PPV in the cell, where Taker was pinned by Lesnar and left lying in a puddle of his own blood....why would Taker job to him at the first one? what purpose would that serve? if he beat him already, what's the point of a rematch the next month? Taker had never been brutalized like he was that night in the cell, he made Lesnar look like a fucking monster.Vince is the one who okays all the finishes so what the fuck point do you think you are making about Unforgiven? "he put him in the cell so he couldn't walk out?" how old are you five? you have just made a complete ass of yourself with that statement and you have no credibility with anyone on this forum after that, although it's not like any of your previous posts were credible, but that asinine comment takes the Darwin Award for sure...And Taker and Vince are as tight as it gets in this business, Vince would not have to force him to do anything...good god, go on youtube and find numerous shoot interviews from former WWE employees who have nothing to gain and they all praise Taker, what the fuck are you on about?
Ken Kennedy recently did an interview with ESPN, I have it and I'll gladly send it you...he says and I quote "there are two mountains in WWE...the one Undertaker stands on and the one everyone else stands on." What he meant was that Taker is the single most respected guy in this business period. HBK has a fucking chapter on Taker in his own book praising him and saying he's the guy he respects the most...The Rock praises him in his book, Bret praises him in his book, Flair praises him in his book, Kurt Angle has said that he looked up to Taker and it was an absolute pleasure to work with him...why do you think they had so many matches together? hell even Hogan has a chapter in his book called simply Undertaker....Road Dog and Billy Gunn called him the Godfather in their RF Shoot, they said he is Vince's right hand man, the enforcer of the WWE...they don't even work for WWE anymore, they can say what they want, why would they make that up?...they had nothing but negative things to say about HHH and HBK so it's not like they are kissing up to try and get a job with the company again...get your fucking facts straight before you shoot your gate off!
and you are full of shit about Mania 23...the net was littered with pissed off fans because Taker and Bataista didn't go on last that night..you're a stooge if you think otherwise...LIve Audio Wrestling's Dan Lovranski, who has been a basher of Taker for years even called in live from the event on the show and said the fans were completely drained after that match and it was a bad move to put it 5th on the card...he also said that he went around and spoke to most of the merch tables and that Taker's shirts were all sold out, more than Cena...go on the site and find the archive if you want to push the issue...why do you think Taker and Edge went last at the next Mania? because what the fans wanted to see at the end of the night was Taker standing with the title belt while the fireworks went off...period...Vince knew they fucked up the year before and he went and did the smart thing.
and in today's poor economy I'd wager that a Fathead is probably one of the last things a blue collar wrestling fan would buy right now at $100 plus another $30 for shipping, what a stupid thing for you to say in your previous post.
And as far as him getting the offer from WCW, I have the video of Schiavone saying it...he's not speaking fucking chinese!...by the time that deal came around, Taker was already a huge star for 6 years, what the fuck does his run in 1989 have to do with anything? Bischoff wasn't even running WCW then. Bret Hart clearly states in his book that Taker and he were the top merchandise sellers for WWF from 1992 until 1996, period, of course WCW would try and steal Vince top guy, what smart businessman wouldn't?
I have a shoot with Kevin Nash where he says that in 1995 when he was champ, the guy with the belt was supposed to be the highest paid guy in the company, it was before the guaranteed contracts came in, and he found out that both Bret and Taker were getting paid more than him...why the fuck do you think that is? they drew more money and Taker sold a fuckload of merchandise, that's why and Vince made sure they got paid more for it so he would not lose his top draws to the competition...how the hell is Taker not a draw? Bret says in his book that when he and Taker were the top babyfaces and squared off at Rumble 1996 that the audience was 60-40 in favor of Taker, and Bret was still loved by fans everywhere at that point, it was a full year and a half before he turned heel in the states. So you are going to sit here and say that Bret was not a draw and that is why Taker was more over that night right?
and you are a fool if you think Takers return at WM 20 was not the most anticipated of the night...I was there...were you? The place came unglued when he came out that night...he clearly had a bigger pop than Foley and the Rock and Eddie and Angle...why don't you try watching the video. I also have a giant pull out section from the Toronto Sun for WM18 and there is a page of fan reactions to the event and the majority of the fans asked said they were looking forward to seeing Taker....
one group of six young men were quoted as saying they flew all the way from Germany to be there and it was worth it just to see Taker kick Flair's ass! I highly doubt that they were the only fans who felt that way, watch the damn match. The streak was not created, it came about naturally, after 10 manias, someone finally said, you know what, we can use this as a marketing tool. Flair never made mention of ending the streak, HHH never made a point of it the year before, it was barely mentioned in the match with Kane at WM20. The announcers mentioned that he'd never been beaten at the event in passing, but it was never a point of sell. The first time it was really pushed as a drawing point was against Orton in 2005, and it got over and became such a big deal that they've used it ever since...because it draws money...because Taker is a draw...how can you sit there and say otherwise?
I suppose next you'll try and tell everyone that the Gobbledy gooker was a bigger draw than Taker.
Bottom line is that if he didn't draw money and he was not a good worker he would not have the respect of all his peers across the board, period. Guys that don't draw are not looked up to, and guys that can't work are not respected, that's not how the business works....in any business the ones that get respect earn it.
here are some comments from Jim Ross on Taker's legacy:
"Taker's legacy in the WWE will be every much as significant as Andre the Giant's when all is said & done."
"The Undertaker’s WM legacy will never be equaled"
"Taker has solidly achieved “Andre status” (there is nothing higher than that) in the WWE"
"Taker has established himself as one of the top 5 all time in the WWE and may well rank with Andre as the top two based on longevity and productivity."
"As I have mentioned in the past, Taker compares very favorably to Andre in many ways. By the time Taker hangs ‘em up his legacy may even super-cede Andre’s."
"In 34 years, I have never met a wrestler who has earned the respect of more of his peers than The Undertaker"
What was that? oh, Taker's reached Andre status? yes Mr.Ross anyone with half a fuckin' brain knows that except for one person on this forum who has no clue what they're talking about and uses a "because I said so" attitude to back up their claims instead of actual proof, his/her forum name really is a misnomer now isn't it.
