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miraclepig
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i just wondered with all the negitivity going around if anyone besides me thinks things will improve over time.
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i hope so, but its not gonna work, sadly
The Aggressorâ¢
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Nope. Infact, I'm very pessimistic about the new ECW project. Like I said before, unless Vince gives Heyman absolute control or even 50% ownership, we won't see any of the 'Extreme'CW that we loved. Vince will just run it into the ground.
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Demolisher
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I am very hopeful it will get Extreme, thought Vince has to give the power of the new ECW to Paul Heyman. Currently how things are going i see it just being a failure.
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Flippyskate21
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ya im not giving up on it yet, i think it will get better as time goes on, and you just have to give it a chance
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dj_spunk_rat
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ECW is not the same and with any company trying to come back , look at the NWA it was not really gone all the way but it was out of sight and out of mind . Now TNA operates under the NWA Banner and is on Spike TV it took them many years to gather up steam with not only older wrestlers like Stink and Lex Looser making an Apperance but building up younger stars like Aj Styles and Christopher Danials . in all I would say this is like any buisness Venture it has a quick start and is gonna be shakey at points but if they keep with it and continue to gather support they can make ECW Live!!
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miraclepig
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agreedZoltaire said:
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RVDblazeguy
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i was a big fan of ecw back in the late 90's and its really not as bad as many people say it is. its mainly due to the fact rvd is suspended and vince is still controlling it. my question is why is big show ecw champion?????? they could have given it to kurt angle atleast
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Zoltaire said:
Nope. I was completely content with no ECW....at least when I saw the new WWeCW.
Point is fans feel disrespected. Stupid us for thinking Vince gives a shit right?.
We were all told that "ECW" was coming back. We had a kick ECW ONS PPV, then two nights later we get fed dog food when we thought we were getting steak.
It was and still is a kick to the nuts. What we all thought was going to be our old show that we missed, turned into another Vince screwjob.....this time on the fans. He just wanted another Smackdown showcasing his "superstars" on a Tuesday night.
DeeCee said:
Couldn't agree more. Especially after One Night Stand and how awesome it was. I believe the biggest problem is when they film it with smackdown. That's the worste part. Last week was decent just because there were true ECW fans there. But when you are on an ECW show and John Cena gets a pretty huge pop. That's just bullshit
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dead_kennedy00
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They never said that you would be getting the old ECW, you guys act all betrayed all the time, and for no good reason. Dont get me wrong, im dissapointed as much as anyone, but you gotta give it time. Im going to a ECW house show coming up in la crosse, and ill evaluate then
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Soul Crusher
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Optimistic? Hell, no. Someone please tell me what this ECW has in common with the original ECW besides name and a few of the same wrestlers? The arena is different (no fan particpation, mats surrounding the ring), the wrestling is different (bland, safe WWE style), the crowd is different (A family crowd for ECW? That's moronic.), and worst of all, the ECW icons are being made to look weak. Oh yeah - did I mention squash matches? This is why WWECW will always pale in comparison to the renegade wrestling company we knew and loved. It's nothing more than the WWE's minor leagues right now, and there's nothing about any of the newcomers that looks very promising (I am hoping CM Punk can live up to the hype, and that his style won't get simplified in an WWECW ring). It's just a matter of time before it gets cancelled, unless a miracle happens - a miracle like Vinnie Mac relinquishing control of the product or if he allowed the more extreme hardcore style of wrestling that we have yet to see in WWECW.
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dead_kennedy00 said:
Why does everyone say "just give it time"? Time to do what...three shows now and they have followed the exact outline for every show. Tomorrow it will be four weeks. It's not like Vince is all of a sudden going to go "shit, this isn't what people want...lets give it back to Heyman and the fans". HE DOESN"T CARE AS LONG AS MONEY IS GETTING PUT IN HIS POCKETS.
So...no I am not optimistic.
Crutey Anth
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The old ECW is dead and gone okay get over it, so what if this isnt excactly the same to old ECW times have changed. There are only three complaints anyone has actually given about ECW
1) It's not the same...boo hoo hoo
2) Kelly
3) Big Show as champion and I say why the hell not, they had to get rid of RVD for a month or so and they couldnt have had the title vanish...I know people would like an ECW alum to take the title but all the ECW alum on the show are faces and it would have made no sense for them to suddenly challange for the title so Show did..and Heyman screwed RVD out of it thus not taking anything away from him so when he comes back he'll be guning for Show.
I'm fine with the show and I think as soon as they move to a two hour format the entire thing willpick up as they'll get more time for angles and matches.
1) It's not the same...boo hoo hoo
2) Kelly
3) Big Show as champion and I say why the hell not, they had to get rid of RVD for a month or so and they couldnt have had the title vanish...I know people would like an ECW alum to take the title but all the ECW alum on the show are faces and it would have made no sense for them to suddenly challange for the title so Show did..and Heyman screwed RVD out of it thus not taking anything away from him so when he comes back he'll be guning for Show.
I'm fine with the show and I think as soon as they move to a two hour format the entire thing willpick up as they'll get more time for angles and matches.
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Crutey Anth said:
Um... how about that the wrestling is far closer to the WWE style than the ECW style, and that the matches are conducted under WWE rules? How about the fact that this ECW has mats surrounding the ring and absolutely zero fan participation - that's not what Tod Gordon's or Paul Heyman's ECW was about. How about the fact that Joey Styles and Taz are using a really dumbed-down commentary style? How about the fact that ECW icon The Sandman is getting stuck with the lame storyline of beating up "sports entertainers"? How about the fact that big ECW names like Justin Credible, Balls Mahoney, Little Guido, and Stevie Richards are being used as nothing more than jobbers? Actually, how about the fact that there are so many goddamned squash matches in the new ECW? How about the fact that wrestlers that don't fit the ethos of ECW, like The Big Slow and Mike Knox, are getting pushed to the moon? And finally, how about the fact that ECW is currently being operated by someone who doesn't have a clue as to what made the original ECW so great? He subjects us to this lame striptease every single week - apparently he thinks the typical ECW fan is an overweight, acne-riddled sexually-deprived teenager. Actually, the typical ECW fans were adults who sought an alternative to the bland, predictable "sports entertainment" out there. They were fans because the wrestlers gave everything they had in every match, and because ECW went out of their way to involve the fans in the process, fighting through the crowd, entering through the audience, even having "Bring Your Own Weapon" nights. I can get past the fact that ECW is not what it once was - I can't get past the fact that ECW sucks right now. It's no different from any other WWE brand, and looking at tonight's ECW On Sci-Fi, with a main event featuring The Big Slow vs. has-been Ric Flair and the virtually talentless Kelly Kelly and Candice Michelle dancing together (again, ECW fans aren't 13 year olds - at least the fans of the original ECW aren't), it looks like ECW will only continue to suck.
Is that enough reasons for you? I could go on and on about why this new ECW is awful, but I think enough has been said on the subject. Unless Vinnie relinquishes control of ECW or TNA starts to really blow up, we can expect ECW to be nothing more than a lame, pitiful third brand of WWE - or actually, the minor leagues of WWE is more like it.
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Soul Crusher said:
I'm agree, this new ECW really sucks.., it's look likes vince and his bookers have shit in their brains. I hope---hope---, that ECW get succesful or WWE falls like the romans and TNA take the control
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Soul Crusher said:
1) The style may not be much like ECW but I believe its because they're trying to get their storylines in and so just dont have longer matches where a 'style' can be effectively shown and this is also probably the reasons for the squash matches as they try to get people 'over'.
2)Fan participation is also difficult to do in a narrow time slot
3) Sandman isn't in great shape, these things are probably just to get him up to shape and get rid of the ring rust.
4)How about the fact that big ECW names like Justin Credible, Balls Mahoney, Little Guido, and Stevie Richards are being used as nothing more than jobbers?...okay I really can't think of a reply to that.
5) How about the fact that wrestlers that don't fit the ethos of ECW, like The Big Slow and Mike Knox, are getting pushed to the moon?...I thought the ethos of ECW was to bring a mix of styles together and to elevate the guys from other areas etc who don't get to really show their talents....Show fits this perfectly and my opinion is still to be formed on Knox.
6)Ring-mats! you dont like this because of an inch of foam rubber which adds so much more protection meaning the wrestlers can take more risks? Aren't unmatted wrestling rings now prohibited by most states nowadays and if not who cares? vince wants to protect his assets and you can't blame him.
7) He subjects us to this lame striptease every single week - apparently he thinks the typical ECW fan is an overweight, acne-riddled sexually-deprived teenager...well I got into wrestling and watching ECW when I was in my young teens so you can't blame him and I doubt many older viewers would complain if it was once in a while but yes everyshow is a little excessive.
8)They were fans because the wrestlers gave everything they had in every match, and because ECW went out of their way to involve the fans in the process, fighting through the crowd, entering through the audience, even having "Bring Your Own Weapon" nights....while I must agree that this is true it can't last for proof just look at Cactus Jacks interviews where he slammed the fans because no matter how much the wrestlers gave the fans wanted more and more the next week etc It couldn't last.
xdeadman17x
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this ecw is not that bad. yes it is not the same as the old ecw but it is not dead yet by any means. and i like that they gave the title to the big show because now he can be top heel in ECW.
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Crutey Anth said:
Nice rebuttal to my post. Some responses:
1). Maybe it's true that not every match can be 20 minutes long, especially with only an hour. But I don't think we're ever going to see it, at least not on regular television. It's also possible to compact the high-risk and innovative offense styles that were so prevalent in the original ECW, but we're not seeing that either. Instead, it's the safe, low-risk WWE style. Maybe it's because of the defectors and the ECW wrestlers that are long-time WWE Superstars (RVD, Little Guido, Stevie Richards, etc.) that are now accustomed to using the low-risk style. I just hope that eventually Vinnie Mac & Co. will remember what the 'E' in ECW stands for, and that we'll see more daring maneuvers on display.
2). Agreed, also with the less intimate venues they're performing in now. But it was a huge part of ECW, and I hope to see it eventually.
3). I just watched the first ECW One Night Stand, and though it may have been a year ago, Sandman looked like he could spend a bit more time in the gym. He has definitely improved as of late.
5). Perhaps that is true, but it seems like the emphasis has shifted toward larger wrestlers now, and wrestlers with a pretty simplistic style at that (Both recently used five consecutive body slams in a match - the oldest wrestling move in the book, repeatedly). Where's the lucha libre, the scientific wrestling and the hardcore styles? They've either disappeared or they've taken a backseat to the more mainstream style of wrestling.
6). That would be more acceptable if there was a high-risk style on display. But aside from Sabu's matches (which are still pretty tame by his standards), that hasn't been the case.
7). I've been a wrestling fan since I was about 10 and wrestling was very different back then - not as many Divas, and certainly not as much sexuality. I may not be a Don Juan, but seeing Kelly Kelly do a PG-13 striptease every single week does nothing for me - hell, it wouldn't do anything for me if she went all the way, which is probably because it's on TV instead of right in front of me, and also because I'm not a teenager. I honestly don't think that many people older than 17 or 18 would find much excitement in these stripteases - well, my unmarried uncle is one exception, I guess.
8). The new ECW has been quite a regression. From giving everything in the old days of ECW, to sometimes not even breaking a sweat in WWECW. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that people have been disappointed thus far. The emphasis has shifted away from wrestling, and I think it should go back because that's what ECW was all about first and foremost - maybe 15 minutes devoted to sketches / storylines and 30 to wrestling, not the other way around. Of course, it would be nice to have the more daring styles on display, though it doesn't necessarily have to be taken to the "extreme". We're seeing too many basic moves and "rest holds" such as reverse chinlocks, and that needs to change. Did you hear all of the "Boring" chants at the last ECW On Sci-Fi show in Philly? I hope Vinnie Mac, Paul and the rest of the crew have taken notes.
ShaneRamlall
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I still have hope for this new ECW....Sabu should be ECW champ tho.He deserves it.I think he is one of the best origninals from ECW.I like his style.Also they need to stop that crap with the kelly strip teases and put a extra match there.I think thats a waste of time.They shouldn't have any squash matches.ECW having squash matches is a piece of shit.They also are having quite good matches they should just make it longer and more death defying stunts.Yeah i know The new ECW will never be like the original ECW but they can atleast try.I still have hope for this ECW though.
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Read above for my comments. And in closing, Iv said this before. ECW came back because of the ECW fans. It wasn't the 11 year old WWE fans who wanted ECW to come back. So when you hear ECW, you expect something as a fan. And like I'v said a billion times. After that One Night Stand PPV where it was totally ECW. Everything about it Screamed ECW. Even Jerry Lawler getting choked out by Tazz. That was for the fans. It was ALL FOR THE FANS. And this WWECW is a kick to the nuts. Why do it??? Whats the point. So the WWE can have a hardcore division??? I just don't understand what's going on with it. The matches are just like WWE. Slow and sloppy. If you watch One Night Stand. You'll understand what ECW was about. Watch The F.B.I. vs Super Crazy & Tajiri. Watch Sabu vs Rey Mysterio. Hell even watch last years PPV with Tanaka vs Awesome. That match was better then anything WWE put out since then. It's a disgrace to something great. Only vince. ONLY VINCE MCMAHON can do something like this. And it's not just the fans. I bet it's joey styles, I bet its Paul Heyman. Read what Lance Storm has to say about the new ECW. Just pathetic
Crutey Anth
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Soul Crusher:-
1). Couldn't agree more but this is the way the entire business is going, with ECW folding and then WCW there was no competition so safety became more important then ratings (which could be argued is a good thing). Even if we look at TNA and ROH etc the matches are now more innovative and less risky which is the way wrestling should be moving instead of spotfests they used to be.
3). Just watching the original ONS now (unfortunately my sky was down for the second one...which I was not happy about) and he has got a lot better...luckily he hasn't got scott steiner syndrome yet (when he returned and faced HHH...I was better then him and then by the time he was feuding with Test, the ring rust was gone and he was performing great but he was already tarred with a brush)
5). What I think the WWE (I know this is actually ECW but WWE is the parent company) is currently trying to focus their cruiser/lucha stars on Smackdown which is a good thing...I would like some in ECW but not if its going to hurt the division they have FINALLY got on its feet (mostly) give it some time and I'm sure more styles will be brought in...they've got CM Punk for gods sake (I know he isn't Lucha but has that same innovativeness I was talking about that most Lucha's have)
6). True there hasnt been too much overt risk but I think when the PPV rolls around they'll pull it all out.
7). can't really argue with you being 20 and in a full time relationship watching some girl dancing in a flag on the otherside of the world didn't do much for me but I was trying to put myself in the socks of a 13 year old spotty kid with raging hormones lol.
8). I do like the idea of giving equal (proportianal actually) sections of the show to angles and actual wrestling and agree it wouldn't hurt for a little more fast paced action etc To tell you the truth though I no longer listen to the chants of boringsince Lance Storm started getting them a year or two ago, I know it was Austin's fault but to show that sort of disrespect to such a great wrestler who could school most spotfest/extreme wrestlers in how to put on a good match...especially one who can move like him and go extreme if he needs to be I just tuned out their opinions (I know open minded of me) but it wasn't long after 'boring' Storm that he put on a clinic on ONS that had people on their feet. The best mtches in history aren't made on high flying and chair shots (don't get me wrong these most certainly have their places and are fun to watch) they're made on the basics and ring psychology that most never get to show because of trends in wrestling (there are exceptions such as Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, Lesnar (just watch any of those guys having matches wth one another or the owen hart memorial match between Benoit and bret...I dont think they once climbed a turnbuckle but by the end because of the psychology etc they had people on their feet...but guys like Regal and Burchil (who if you have ever seen any of their work in britain/indy and around the world can put on some of the best matches...on a side not I remember reading an article by Benoit before his return when he he discussed how Regal had flown out and mat wrestled for a few hours with him for a few hours....thats how great it is).
I've just realised how far on a tangent I went there (sorry about that, it's a habit of mine) but I think the current ECW with a few alterations can be a great product in itself and a superb one to build upon.
1). Couldn't agree more but this is the way the entire business is going, with ECW folding and then WCW there was no competition so safety became more important then ratings (which could be argued is a good thing). Even if we look at TNA and ROH etc the matches are now more innovative and less risky which is the way wrestling should be moving instead of spotfests they used to be.
3). Just watching the original ONS now (unfortunately my sky was down for the second one...which I was not happy about) and he has got a lot better...luckily he hasn't got scott steiner syndrome yet (when he returned and faced HHH...I was better then him and then by the time he was feuding with Test, the ring rust was gone and he was performing great but he was already tarred with a brush)
5). What I think the WWE (I know this is actually ECW but WWE is the parent company) is currently trying to focus their cruiser/lucha stars on Smackdown which is a good thing...I would like some in ECW but not if its going to hurt the division they have FINALLY got on its feet (mostly) give it some time and I'm sure more styles will be brought in...they've got CM Punk for gods sake (I know he isn't Lucha but has that same innovativeness I was talking about that most Lucha's have)
6). True there hasnt been too much overt risk but I think when the PPV rolls around they'll pull it all out.
7). can't really argue with you being 20 and in a full time relationship watching some girl dancing in a flag on the otherside of the world didn't do much for me but I was trying to put myself in the socks of a 13 year old spotty kid with raging hormones lol.
8). I do like the idea of giving equal (proportianal actually) sections of the show to angles and actual wrestling and agree it wouldn't hurt for a little more fast paced action etc To tell you the truth though I no longer listen to the chants of boringsince Lance Storm started getting them a year or two ago, I know it was Austin's fault but to show that sort of disrespect to such a great wrestler who could school most spotfest/extreme wrestlers in how to put on a good match...especially one who can move like him and go extreme if he needs to be I just tuned out their opinions (I know open minded of me) but it wasn't long after 'boring' Storm that he put on a clinic on ONS that had people on their feet. The best mtches in history aren't made on high flying and chair shots (don't get me wrong these most certainly have their places and are fun to watch) they're made on the basics and ring psychology that most never get to show because of trends in wrestling (there are exceptions such as Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, Lesnar (just watch any of those guys having matches wth one another or the owen hart memorial match between Benoit and bret...I dont think they once climbed a turnbuckle but by the end because of the psychology etc they had people on their feet...but guys like Regal and Burchil (who if you have ever seen any of their work in britain/indy and around the world can put on some of the best matches...on a side not I remember reading an article by Benoit before his return when he he discussed how Regal had flown out and mat wrestled for a few hours with him for a few hours....thats how great it is).
I've just realised how far on a tangent I went there (sorry about that, it's a habit of mine) but I think the current ECW with a few alterations can be a great product in itself and a superb one to build upon.
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