I am genuinely insulted and you should be too.

[Pole Smoker]

I think they have handled it badly.

I'm ok with him interfering and being at the show. He has to be there he is the biggest star in the company. However a few aspects are taken too far. For instance why not have a fake security guard there for the sole purpose of stopping cena. Then when he jumps over cena takes him out then gets nexus before the rest come over. Also things like him having his music played is plain ridiculous.

The excuse that the security want revenge on nexus is stupid too. Wade Barrett could demand them too help for his own safety. Also it's not like it's the same security people at every show.

For cena having a camera man is pretty annoying too. All they have to do is have the announcers say sources have told us cena is backstage and then get a camera on him.

I feel the nexus storyline is ruined. No doubt it is one of the best in years however cena has been too annoying.

I also question if what cena does is of face actions. He is the top face of the company who has strong morales. He believes in things being fair etc. So why have they made him too look like a joke since he's joined nexus. He says he's a man of his word yet he shows up every week. It doesn't really make much sense

The worst part was when he was attacking Barrett we could see security. That is just annoying.

The sooner this ends the better.

 

[Elementz of Fear]

Well this turned out a lot crazier than I anticipated lol. But that is a good thing because like Justin & Josh say every week on CSR, difference of opinion is essential to wrestling.

That said I need to address something someone pointed out to me. Someone asked why I wasn't offended by necrophilia, faking someones death, etc. Believe it or not those stories were actually more believable than this one. Vince McMahon, Undertaker, etc disappear for a time and create the illusion they are gone. Believe me, I know that the Katie Vick storyline was absolutely horrible but that is a whole different level of offensive. They are not even remotely comparable. Someone else mentioned that entertainment is about suspending belief and that is exactly what I am trying to say. If I can't accept something as plausible then it isn't well written plain and simple. Yea I take it too seriously but everyone has something that they are passionate about but my point remains the same.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

I'm sick of people who feel "insulted" by the storylines going on in the WWE. You people always forget the fact that this is not a real sport. You're watching and talking as if you know it's fake, yet you feel "insulted" by this, as if something like this has never happened in the history of television.

Remember when House got shot, and then he "lost his mind" and almost killed a patient? Did you feel insulted because you know the entire series wasn't going to end on that note?

Remember when Miami Metro found all of Dexter's dumped bodies in the middle of the ocean? Did you feel insulted because you knew that Dexter wasn't going to get caught right in the middle of the season?

You guys need to step back, stop trying to pretend you (or the fans in general) are somehow involved in the storyline of a television show, and enjoy it for the entertainment that it's supposed to be. The entire point of wrestling is entertaining you. You don't watch other TV shows looking for subtle plot holes, you watch them because it's a fictional story created to entertain you.

If it's not entertaining you, and you have a serious problem with the fact that you KNOW John Cena is not fired, then I think maybe you're watching the wrong show, and that it's maybe time to change the channel.

 

[AttitudeAJM]

The tremendous thing about pro wrestling is that if you don't like a storyline, you can always pay attention to something else. Especially in WWE. I don't have a big problem with the Cena storyline mainly because its different and isn't the same old "Cena title race" story. Not to mention that it gives these young guys a chance to get work in. Nexus is still very green and this has helped Barrett grow leaps and bounds. Just look at his progression over the past seven months. He's better in the ring and he's better on the mic.

Soon enough this will be all over and Cena will start gearing up for his Wrestlemania run.

 

[RD_21]

I'm sick of people who feel "insulted" by the storylines going on in the WWE. You people always forget the fact that this is not a real sport. You're watching and talking as if you know it's fake, yet you feel "insulted" by this, as if something like this has never happened in the history of television.

Remember when House got shot, and then he "lost his mind" and almost killed a patient? Did you feel insulted because you know the entire series wasn't going to end on that note?

Remember when Miami Metro found all of Dexter's dumped bodies in the middle of the ocean? Did you feel insulted because you knew that Dexter wasn't going to get caught right in the middle of the season?

You guys need to step back, stop trying to pretend you (or the fans in general) are somehow involved in the storyline of a television show, and enjoy it for the entertainment that it's supposed to be. The entire point of wrestling is entertaining you. You don't watch other TV shows looking for subtle plot holes, you watch them because it's a fictional story created to entertain you.

If it's not entertaining you, and you have a serious problem with the fact that you KNOW John Cena is not fired, then I think maybe you're watching the wrong show, and that it's maybe time to change the channel.

You are missing the WHOLE point. We know that Cena isn't really fired and it's ok but we are not talking about subtle plot hole we are talking about major one. They have to make us think he is fired, but his music, his presence and the fact that he can attack people without repercusion while he is supposed to be a fan are lame.

It has nothing to do with a charactr being shot in the middle of the season and things like that. To use an example that would be more suitable to the situation it's like House was shot by an alien. Or if a character is in the middle of nowhere and the bad guy find him without trouble. The kind of thing that make you go "REALLY???? And I am supposed to believe that?".

We all know he isn't fired and that it's a scripted show but if the story don't hold together, there's a problem and it's not doing it any service and/or justice to dismiss it as just wrestling being wrestling.

 

[AndyUK]

Well, yeah, I agree that they should have milked it a bit further considering how much they played up the decision at Survivor Series but I'd hardly go as far as to say I'm insulted. It's not that big of a deal.

 

[Suneeboy]

Hey slick, here's a thought: IT'S NOT REAL! You know who is going to think he's fired? Kids. Kids are going to think that he's fired and not coming back so that when he says he'll be there next week, they want to see their hero defy the odds. People take this stuff WAY too seriously. Sit back, CHILL THE FUCK OUT, and have some fun with it. No shit Cena isn't fired. If this insults your intelligence, you have no business watching wrestling. Of course he wasn't fired and never was going to be. But it's got people watching, it's got YOU watching, and kids, their primary audience, are intrigued. How this can be viewed as anything but a success, and not insulting at all, is beyond me.

As for everything else, it can be explained by the same explanation that the people have no issues having cameras in their private moments. Again, it's not real, and don't take it so seriously. Have some fun and let your mind go. They're grown men in underwear rolling around to try to forcibly hold the other one down while another man looks intently and moves his hand up and down. Quit taking it so seriously.

He's not taking it seriously dude. It's bad television, point blank. The purpose of a storyline is for it to make sense. This storyline makes absolutely no sense, and is an eyesore to watch. I actually find myself watching just to see how awful it is.

Can't have fun and let my mind go. It's just not fun television. My idea of fun is changing the channel at this point in time. Imagine the badgering we would hear from you if TNA pulled this shit.

 

[D-Man]

He's not taking it seriously dude. It's bad television, point blank. The purpose of a storyline is for it to make sense. This storyline makes absolutely no sense, and is an eyesore to watch. I actually find myself watching just to see how awful it is.

Can't have fun and let my mind go. It's just not fun television. My idea of fun is changing the channel at this point in time.

It makes no sense that Cena was fired, bought tickets to the show, interfered in matches, and no one is stopping him because they're all bitter towards Nexus for their brutality and interference in the first place? And Cena is using this method to destroy Nexus.

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Minnesota Connection]

He proves a point.

This may be entertainment- PG Entertainment geared towards some kids, however, does this mean the WWE thinks our children / young ones are that stupid?

I would of caught that when I was six and im having a hard time believing that any kid at that age would believe this.

This does not have me watching in any way.... Period.

We watch this as a form of entertainment if we wanted to watch stupid ridiculous outlandish material that makes no sense whatsoever, I would of changed the channel.

 

[D-Man]

We watch this as a form of entertainment if we wanted to watch stupid ridiculous outlandish material that makes no sense whatsoever, I would of changed the channel.

Then do us all a favor and change it.

This is TELEVISION, people! Do you honestly think that Dragonball Z has storylines that make perfect sense in a perfect world without any holes or inconsistencies?? Why does pro-wrestling have to be more sophisticated and organized than any other television show you watch? When did it rise to this standard of absolute perfection?

The problem is that it didn't. You all want it to be the most unbelieveable, entertaining, perfect television show in the history of creation because you care about it so much. Well good for you. But every once in a while you're going to find a storyline that makes you shake your head a bit or laugh on the inside because it's so outlandish and ridiculous.

That's what makes television so great. You can portray anything you want in any way that you want in order to keep people entertained or intrigued. Stop trying to make it out to be something that isn't good enough because it doesn't adhere to YOUR personal standards. Just shut up, sit back, enjoy the show or change the fucking channel.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

You are missing the WHOLE point. We know that Cena isn't really fired and it's ok but we are not talking about subtle plot hole we are talking about major one. They have to make us think he is fired, but his music, his presence and the fact that he can attack people without repercusion while he is supposed to be a fan are lame.

Except that's not a plot hole. A plot hole is not defined as a fan knowing something on TV is fiction. Plus, everything you've just listed has been explicitly explained -- the Nexus are basically a bunch of douche bags nobody in the company likes, so security is bitter, the lights, music, and, camera guys are all bitter, and the wrestlers especially are all bitter, and none of them have any qualms with helping Cena.

Again, you knowing a television show is fictional is not a plot hole.

It has nothing to do with a charactr being shot in the middle of the season and things like that. To use an example that would be more suitable to the situation it's like House was shot by an alien. Or if a character is in the middle of nowhere and the bad guy find him without trouble. The kind of thing that make you go "REALLY???? And I am supposed to believe that?"

Er... I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Everything that happened in the WWE regarding the Cena/Nexus storyline has fallen well within reasonable continuity. People are "fired" all the goddamn time in the WWE, and they ALWAYS make it back. The fact that you feel insulted by this one instance, but not the others, actually kind of speaks volumes about your intelligence in the first place.

We all know he isn't fired and that it's a scripted show but if the story don't hold together, there's a problem and it's not doing it any service and/or justice to dismiss it as just wrestling being wrestling.

Except everything that's happened has made sense.

 

[red ass skull muhfukkah]

I guess I can see where your coming from with this. While I don't agree to the extent that you do. It was pretty stupid to play his music last night when the guy is fired. Other than that I think his being fired angle has been done pretty well. Sneak attacking through the crowd and in the hotel room was pretty exciting while it was going on. I was hoping it would stretch out longer than one PPV but after thinking about it for a bit, this was really the only way to go. You can end the Nexus/Cena feud at TLC. Freeing up Cena to focus on the Rumble and the Road To Wrestlemania, plus if it gets stretched out too long fans are going to bitch that it's getting old, which they already were beginning to do before the Cena being fired angle occurred. The last few weeks could have been handled more "realistically" I guess, but what they have been doing has still been entertaining and has been pretty solid imo,

 

[D-Man]

Doesan't have to be sophisticated, we just want it to make sense.

All we ask for is common sense.

But it DOES make sense. Anyone that doesn't get it really needs to go to a school for "special" people. Like I said earlier...

It makes no sense that Cena was fired, bought tickets to the show, interfered in matches, and no one is stopping him because they're all bitter towards Nexus for their brutality and interference in the first place? And Cena is using this method to destroy Nexus.

Makes perfect sense to me.

How is this difficult? How is this more complicated or convoluted than anything else you watch on TV?

The problem is that one person on the internet cries and the bad apple spoils the bunch. Everyone wants to look like en expert so they ignore all of the obvious familiarity of the plot, ignore logic, and bitch for the sake of sounding like an expert. WE GET IT. You all want to sound smarter than the WWE writers and management. Too bad you don't.

Stop breaking it down and acting like it's THAT complicated. It's so simple that even a child could figure it out. Oh, wait... they already have.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I really don't understand what all of the complaining is about. You're not watching Lost, CSI, or the movie Inception. You are watching a pro wrestling program. If you're expecting something to make perfect sense or be very complex, then you really shouldn't be watching wrestling.

Cena purchased tickets to Raw, and he even sat in the crowd like an actual paying customer. He planned a series of sneak attacks on Nexus, the rest of the members of the stable can't take it anymore, and they have put Wade Barrett in a tough spot. He must re-hire Cena or he will be gone from Nexus. Cena will be hired, he will probably have a match with Barrett at TLC, and he will enjoy his moment of triumph. Does that sound simplistic? Yeah, it does, but pro wrestling shouldn't be scripted like a movie or TV show. At the end of the day, it's all about what the wrestlers are going to do in the ring. All of this crying about Cena having a microphone and his music playing at the end of the show last night is just ridiculous. Again, if you want something that makes perfect sense, has a great story, and brilliant writing, then you should be watching something else, because pro wrestling isn't for you at all.

 

[airvar]

What "fired" individual would be able to end RAW by beating down a paid Superstar? How does he have a camera on him at all times BACKSTAGE?. Who keeps giving him a microphone? His MUSIC played tonight!

1. Again Nexus has burnt every bridge possible in the WWE in the last 6 months, they are kayfabe hated by the locker room, they have beaten security, the legends, and the other superstars.. Who is going to come "Save" nexus other than Nexus?

2. He doesn't have a camera on him at all times backstage, he jumped McGillicuty and the camera man dropped the camera .. Then he had a camera to "respond" to wade calling him out when he beat down gabriel and slater..

Then Otunga was addressing the universe in a video - call from the Hotel where you saw him beat down those two .. The only times a camera has been "on " john cena was when he responded to wade barrett taunt directly, and it ended with Gabriels car bumps.. Other then that it has been interference durring match's, and him jumping Nexus members while the camera was on THEM backstage- Not Cena.

3. He's a top-draw wrestler, and movie-star.. You don't think with his millions of dollars he has accumulated he might be able to purchase his own mic? or steal one off one while running around backstage picking off Nexus members?

4. Yea his music played.. Again even kayfabe everyone backstage supposedly still "loves " and "Respects" cena.. So it's not out of the question one of the production guys might play his music for him after beating down Barrett- employee or not.. IT's not like they just delete old super'stars music (ex. Bret Hart's Numerous fake-returns in canada, before his second stint with the WWE)

All In all I just don't see how they have been that inconsistent.. The Nexus are hated by everyone.. And Cena - Fired or not- is a multi-time world champion and kayfabe former- leader of the Raw locker room with a ton of friends from his almost Decade in the buisness.. Is it really that hard to beileve security, and the other WWE superstars don't mind the guys who have been jumping them backstage and beating on them 7 on 1 for the past 6 months don't WANT to help the NExus out, even if it is there job?

I mean if I was a security guard and the guys who had beaten me up were getting picked off one by one, and getting the crap kicked out of them I wouldn't be in a hurry to stop the guy doing it even if it was my job. What's the GM going to do fire everyone on the Raw rooster bar Nexus?

 

[LitasRevenge79]

While, I for one, am a HUGE Nexus mark, or maybe more likely a Wade mark, right fellow LD'ers? LOL. Anyways, I was looking forward to seeing the chance of Wade Barrett perhaps a title holder...does that mean he won't get a title? No. He still could very well, it may just take a little longer. Although, I was growing quite fond of the trouble these guys were causing, and the trouble they were receving back. Do I think Cena being their slave ended a little too early? Yes. However, I'm hopeful there will be more to come for the future. It is agreed that Barrett is a good enough wrestler since he won season 1 of NXT whether everyone agrees or not, and that he shouldn't have to rely on a group of others to be his crutch, in my honest opinion. I think there will come a point for all the people in Nexus that they will need to prove sink or swim since they didn't win NXT technically, and WWE can also use this to trim fat and see who can make it and who can't. Like I said, am I sad? Yes, but this could be a good hallmark to see who has legitimately progressed from their learning skills on NXT 1/2.

 

[martymcfly]

I'm not reading through 7 pages of comments, but from what I've seen glancing through I think people's posts have pretty much summed things up. But just in case, quoting from the title of the thread

"I am genuinely insulted...": Wow...to actually feel insulted by a storyline on a wrestling show is taking things a little too personally, isn't it? First, for any wrestling storyline, you have to suspend disbelief to some extent. And I will admit that I have complained on this forum about storylines as well when they take the suspension of disbelief way too far (edge holding bearer hostage for weeks, starting in England for example). You say you are 21, which means that I have been watching wrestling far longer than you have and I have never personally felt insulted. I've found storylines dumb, but to actually take it this personally seems bizarre to me.

"...and you should be too." Huh? Why should you, or anyone, tell me how to feel? That's pretty presumptuous, and whether your realize it or not, condescending. It's as though you are telling us that you know more or realize more than we do so you're helping us out since we can't come up with those feelings on our own.

And finally, I am soooo tired of people giving their threads titles that don't at least mention in some way what the topic really is. It's not that difficult folks to give us some clue.

 

[Muffin Top Merkley]

Have you ever seen the movie Spiderman? That's not real either, but it doesn't stop it from being entertaining and enjoying to watch. The same can be said about the current John Cena/Nexus storyline.

Obviously John Cena isn't fired, and obviously no one not working for the WWE would be able to come even close to doing the things that Cena is doing on a weekly basis. Even still, at least the WWE has made an attempt to provide some reason as to how Cena is able to get away with his attacks.

People need to relax when watching wrestling. We need to stop overanalyzing every little thing that happens and just enjoy the product that we are being presented.

Just out of curiousity, does the concept of Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny insult your intelligence?

 

[wwefan101x]

I understand where everyone is coming from but seriously everyone needs to calm down a little...actually a lot.

Firstly the storyline makes sense. I don't think the storyline is the problem. There isn't really a problem. The only plot hole I can see is that Cena is still wearing his ring attire but who cares that's something minor.

Secondly does anyone like Nexus anyway? I mean they are good competitors sure but the majority of the WWE universe don't like them and I'm guessing because they attacked RAW nobody on RAW wants to help them. That makes pretty darn sense to me. The security guards aren't the same at all the shows? So? Security guards aren't going to like someone everyone hates and they have nothing to do with the storyline anyway. And while I'm nitpicking away, why would the security guards want to go against the RAW locker room? They would have to be crazy.

Some people are saying that he's not going by his morals, hustle loyalty and respect. Seriously? Hustle, for people who don't know it means (to quickly do something or hurry at what you are currently doing) he's trying to destroy Nexus ASAP. Loyalty, he remained loyal to Orton didn't he? He didn't give Barrett the win? Respect, I think he's showing respect. Who wants to see a company that you worked for fall apart because of some group that fired you. That's showing respect for your company. He respected the other Superstars and now they all respect him.

What would make Cena's firing even more believable would have been if he changed his clothes but that's minor issue. I haven't been a Cena fan ever but let me tell you one thing, the guy can wrestle/entertain and if I'm watching WWE that is what I want to see.

Also for people who are like we don't like the way "Cena's fired" storyline is playing out, then fast forward through the Cena stuff or simply change the channel when he comes on. People get to obsessed with the main eventers instead of focusing on the mid-card and low-card. Also if Cena went away for 1 month what would happen? Nexus would have no one to feud with. So we would have no Cena and a useless Nexus?

And to end my rant. Most of the things like security guards, music, morals etc I barely noticed because I was being ENTERTAINED while other people were winging that Cena hadn't been "fired" for more than a week. So what? The storyline makes sense and that's all that matters. Everyone needs to stop focusing on the minor things that don't need to make sense and focus on the major things that DO make sense.

So everyone take a chill pill relax and enjoy the storyline...sheesh

 

[RD_21]

I don't even know why that guy thought I was confusing a plot hole with watching a fictionnal show but still....

The problem I have with it is that he is suppose to basically be a fan. Sure you can burry your head in the sand and say well the security don't like Nexus, the camera guy don't like Nexus, the announcer don't like Nexus so it make sense.

Ok, I am a fan too, I bought a ticket, let's jump the barricade and attack the Nexus and let's see how long it takes the security to get me out and call the cops. But I thought they were against Nexus?

I know it's a show but it still doesn't make sense on that aspect and only that aspect but continue saying it's obvious that it's making sense and people would need a book for special people.

That's the only part I have a problem with because of the message that it send. If he is a fan he should stay on his seat and rush the barricade with everyone else when there's a three count. Buying a ticket doesn't give you the right to assault a paid superstar.

 

[Mr-excitement]

I agree with the original poster it makes no sense. What amazes me is the WWE apologists - if TNA did this, folks would be screaming how it sucks because the story lines make no sense.
Look, it's obvious that pro-wrestling is not real and that it is TV, but the point should be, is it good TV or bad TV. Stories have a beginning middle and an end and they follow some sort of logic even in wrestling. Not the logic of our reality, but still a logic.
Let's stop pretending the lame stuff only exists in TNA because this is way lame.

 

[slimmshady]

Well ye the OP does come off a little too strong with his rant. Actually WWE has done splendidly well this year. The top-tier storylines have been tight and some very good mid/upper-mid card matches; fantastic moments and brilliant promos and we have one more month left in 2010.

But if you want talk about absurd KB, try pondering over the fact that Cena hugged his father's (real father may I add) head-punter when he was leaving.

Are you kidding me man, you call a decrease in PPV buy rates and overall ratings "splendidly well". What I would term as "splendidly well" was when a wacked out, bear drinking, arse kicking, redneck use to absolutely humiliate the boss week in week out. Now thats what I call splendidly well. Now about the original topic of this thread, I can't agree with the original poster any more than what he has said. But it is what we have come to expect and shamefully accept from the wwe is last 2 years or so. Decent storylines that are promising to start with, ending up as a flop.

 

[Raven]

i agree with you fear, i kno its for the kids but its pretty annoying that hes fired, and yet still shows up and acts like a paid superstar, i mean wwe shud at least make an effort to make him look like a fan attacking or something, instead of him showing up in wrestling attire,street clothes, instead of doing promos backstage, have the security try and remove him from the building etc. make it look likes hes a fan that keeps evsding security

 

[LSN80]

What you have to understand is that this is kayfabe. If you want logic, youre looking in the wrong place. Im not insulted by this angle in the slightest, Im more insulted that anyone whose been watching wrestling for any amount of time. Theres been so many holes in logic, including Miz being rehired under a freaking mask.

To suggest the "Juan Cena" idea would be a better one is rediculous. Have a masked cartoon character rather then the actual John Cena whose been involved in the entire angle be the one involved makes no sense. Last time I checked chief, it was John Cena whose been involved in the hottest angle of the year. Why should he take a backseat, or just have a slight role all of the sudden? Thats the notion I find insulting.

 

[dionlyone18]

Yawn..surprise surpirse another "what i hate about WWE and John Cena thread" Gee havent seen this one. okay mr. "i Can do better" let me break down this bitchfest/aka rant and hopefully itll take some of the sand out of your vagina.So you said the Cena storyline/Nexus firing cena was believable cause he had his music and a microphone and no security grabbing him...Dude its a Tv show..of course its fake..just cause you have fun and get into the storyline without picking it apart doesnt mean it wasnt a good storyline. and its not like they ahevnt done this before when someone gets fired.History class for you buddy..remember when austin got "fired"? he wasnt even gone 24 hours he had a microphone no security for vinny mac. the camera was on austin all night and when he was in his truck there was a camera with him no cops....or how about the Outsiders?? Big Scott hall and Big Sexy got in the arena and up to the commentators booth with no security and they had mics they did it numerous times and the camera was on them. So waht makes this one any diffrent? what makes this instance the one where everyone hates on the "firing?" two words...John..Cena..had this been anyone else..hell had it been austin again..i can put money on it you wouldnt be on here bitching and ranting about it now would you?