How Do You Screw Up The Best Job In The World?

[TWJC: The Beginning]

How is Cole anything like a iPad? The customers want a new iPad, so apple makes one. Nobody wants Cole around, and they keep him around, that makes no sense. I know hes over as a heel, so is Mark Henry, and I dont mind him being in the WWE, go figure.



I dont know every possible outcome but I know that if I ran WWE and a guy whos been champ as many times as Punk had been, just came off a rivalry with Randy Orton, and is now going into a rivalry with John Cena told me that I was booking him wrong I really wouldnt know what to say. Face it, Punk isnt deprived from the spotlight like Ryder, or Masters, or McIntyre, he was just butthurt about his position in WWE. And fromw what I've read on Lagana's website, the situation with him has improved greatly thanks to HBK stepping in.


He might not have pulled it off as good, but it certainly suits him better than Punk.
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Rey Mysterio was apparently that over. Triple H has always been over. Del Rio just won the damn MITB, I'm sure he could use the limelight. The Miz main evented wrestlemania against Cena. Theres a lot of guys who could draw as much attention. You remember when Vince said he could make another Cena, that was VERY true.


Yeah, we're holding a tournament to crown a WWE champion and everyones going to forget why we're having the tournament in the first case. I'm pretty sure someone on this site mentioned not acting like your fans are complete idiots.

See the thing is I dont care what WWE is doing from a business standpoint. If your argument is WWE is right because they're making business then you're going to win everytime because thats what companies do. I'm not saying they're bad businessmen, I'm saying their shows have flaws. And if they're making such good business decisions why have PPV buys gone down and ratings pretty much stayed the same? Because WWE's fans dont care about business, they care about being entertained. Nobody tunes in to watch Vince get richer.


You act like I'm not bitching with good reason. Fine, give me a reason for a star as big as Punk to say that hes being misused. Listen kiddie, I know you're all caught up in the Punk hype but truth is truth. It makes zero sense now and I'm pretty sure by next week it still wont make sense. Or maybe it will. But I guess since I'm on a forum and I got a week to kill I should say whats on my mind AT THE MOMENT. Sure it could all change but in that case we should never post on this forum because we never will know how its all going to play out in the end. Thats stupid, if I see something wrong with the story I'm going to call WWE on it, and if the can prove to me otherwise then so be it. If you have a problem with reading peoples opinions then you're more than welcome to leave this website and sit down and watch it play out. Wow, those are close to exactly what Punks words were. If Punk has a problem with us voicing our opinions then he can get off the internet too. Like I said, we're just telling it like it is right now, I'm not going to wait until months have gone by to revisit a storyline and review it. Its all about NOW, and right NOW it makes no sense.

Nobody wants Cole around? Nobody on here? Or nobody? Because him over as a heel means the opposite.

So basically the whole Punk thing (the real life part) is based off what you read on the interwebs? Good job, you know, if you really want to know the inner workings of WWE and the direction they're going, they have this cool little corporate site where you can look at their annual reports where it actually says the dirction they want to go. Don't believe much of anything else, these guys are carny by nature.

How does it suit Ryder better than Punk? Nobody except for the net would give a shit and a new guy going "woo woo" going against Cena? Are you serious or do you just have no idea how these things work? Punk's whole character is an egotystical jerk who thinks he's a cult leader. Plus he's over, can talk like a mofo, and is good in the ring. He's a much better choice than Ryder.

"Lots of guys you could use to draw as much attention" really? So when people tune in to see Punk and Cena, they see other guys, they're gonna stick and see if these other guys are just as interesting? No. You don't fucking promote the shit out of Punk and Cena and then take them off. I don't care who else YOU think would fit. You're not booking this from a business perspective. People want to see what happens next with Cena and Punk, not some other fucks.

I don't even know what your paragraph about the tournament was supposed to mean. Over the course of the story it made sense. No champion, so you have a tourney, postpone the title match so Vince can talk, new champion, but new regime, Cena gets a rematch and Cena wins. What's so insulting about that? A story isn't about the destination, it's about the journey.

As far as the business thing goes, I am right. My point is that you're bitching about the WWE making decision that ANY business would make. That's fucking stupid. That's like bitching that a cow only eats plants. It's in the nature of the animal and makes no sense to bitch about it. The buyrates and ratings have so many variables. I always say, don't look at the numbers, look at the position. People can watch shows and PPVs on the computer now and all sorts of other places. WWE is consistently at the top of every aspect of their being except for their movies which they sell a lot more than most companies just starting out. So yea, they are good businessmen.

Kiddie? How many times to I have to say this? I've been in a ring, I've trained under Harley Race, it almost killed me because I have 2 fused vertebrae in my neck, so when I bump, my brain bounces around, long story short, I had a subdural hematoma and it sent me to the hospital for 2 months. I'm not a fucking kid. I'm not some WWE mark. I've been watching wrestling for about 20 years. I've traveled 13 hours in a day round trip to see ROH shows. I've taken down the ROH set and ring, I've talked about comics with Bobby Dempsy, I've talked to Harley and Terry Funk about wrestling for extended periods of time.

Why do you think I'm caught up in the Punk hype? I've fucking said a million times that his fans overrate him. I told another guy earlier to stop getting so excited. Punk is not the leader of a new era, he's not the "new Austin" all these tude era marks want him to be. Stop using straw man logic.

It's not that I have a problem with you voicing your opinion it's that you sound dumb. Here's what you sound like "FUCKING WWE, I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY BUT GODDAMN THEM FOR RUINING THE WHOLE STORY, WHY DONT' THEY DO STUFF THAT NO OTHER BUSINESS WOULD DO?!?!?"

Instead, why don't you say "hmmm, I wonder why Punk is back so soon, here's why I think it is....."

Bitching about a story halfway through and bitching about a business doing something any other business is doing is NOT a reason to bitch. That's just bitching to bitch.

Honestly, you sound more like someone who is pissed Zack Ryder didn't get the push. Which is dumb because he didn't even get that big of a reaction on Raw except for a few smarks who like him. So why on earth would you put him in this feud?

Okay, NOW it doesn't make sense, but why not wait and see instead of bitching about it? Seriously, I'm gonna use my memento analogy on you now.

Memento is a movie about acute short term memory loss, he can't make new memories but he remembers everything up until his injury. The movie plays out in reverse. You'll see 10-15 minutes, then it starts over from 10-15 minutes before the last segment started. Plus it plays a little story going foreward in black and white. If you just watch the first 20 minutes of it, it doesn't make any sense. It's actually a fantastic movie and a cult classic. YOU, with your "NOW" logic would have gone "fuck this movie it doesn't make any sense" and stopped watching.

 

[H33LTurn]

Nobody wants Cole around? Nobody on here? Or nobody? Because him over as a heel means the opposite.

Wtf? It absolutely doesnt mean that. If there was any time for teh wiseasses on this website always bitching about Cole to speak up, it would be now. Him being over as a heel means that the fans dont like it. It doesnt mean they want to see him, it means that they dont like him. When theres someone you really despise, does that mean that you want them around. No it doesnt, it means you want them to leave.

So basically the whole Punk thing (the real life part) is based off what you read on the interwebs? Good job, you know, if you really want to know the inner workings of WWE and the direction they're going, they have this cool little corporate site where you can look at their annual reports where it actually says the dirction they want to go. Don't believe much of anything else, these guys are carny by nature.

No its not just based on the interwebs. And I've been on the corporate website many times and on top of that I watch the shareholders meeting every year. That doesnt show what the Punk storyline is going to get to, so I dont see what your point is.

How does it suit Ryder better than Punk? Nobody except for the net would give a shit and a new guy going "woo woo" going against Cena? Are you serious or do you just have no idea how these things work? Punk's whole character is an egotystical jerk who thinks he's a cult leader. Plus he's over, can talk like a mofo, and is good in the ring. He's a much better choice than Ryder.

I never said he should go against Cena, I said that if there ever was a guy to complain about not being used right in the WWE it would be Ryder. Hes over with the crowd and they still try to keep him off TV. Judging from the RAW roster you cant honestly look at Punk and think, "wow, they're dropping the ball on that guy" when theres guys like Ryder who are over and have charisma and get put on a brand show once a month.

"Lots of guys you could use to draw as much attention" really? So when people tune in to see Punk and Cena, they see other guys, they're gonna stick and see if these other guys are just as interesting? No. You don't fucking promote the shit out of Punk and Cena and then take them off. I don't care who else YOU think would fit. You're not booking this from a business perspective. People want to see what happens next with Cena and Punk, not some other fucks.

The fuck do I care if I'm not booking from a business perspective, I'm booking from a wrestling perspective. I'm an IWC member, not a big wig at WWE inc. And yes, the fans tune in to see Punk and Cena only, thats why RAW gets absolutely no ratings besides the first 8 minutes and the last 20 minutes on RAW. And I know they want to know whats going on with Cena and Punk, but everyone even the people at WZ can acknowledge that the rivalry is being rushed. They needed to give it some time to sink in.

I don't even know what your paragraph about the tournament was supposed to mean. Over the course of the story it made sense. No champion, so you have a tourney, postpone the title match so Vince can talk, new champion, but new regime, Cena gets a rematch and Cena wins. What's so insulting about that? A story isn't about the destination, it's about the journey.

Well you were trying to say that if I kept Cena and Punk off TV that the fans would ultimately forget about them. The whole point of the tournament is because Punk just left with the WWE title, which he beat Cena for. Thats not going to slip the fan's minds.

As far as the business thing goes, I am right. My point is that you're bitching about the WWE making decision that ANY business would make. That's fucking stupid. That's like bitching that a cow only eats plants. It's in the nature of the animal and makes no sense to bitch about it. The buyrates and ratings have so many variables. I always say, don't look at the numbers, look at the position. People can watch shows and PPVs on the computer now and all sorts of other places. WWE is consistently at the top of every aspect of their being except for their movies which they sell a lot more than most companies just starting out. So yea, they are good businessmen.

How much does it really mean to be at the top of your game when your competition is TNA? Their roster doesnt need TV time, its needs a wheelchair and a stay at home nurse. If a network realizes that their show is not drawing the numbers they like, they drop the show, no matter how successful the show is on its own right.

Kiddie? How many times to I have to say this? I've been in a ring, I've trained under Harley Race, it almost killed me because I have 2 fused vertebrae in my neck, so when I bump, my brain bounces around, long story short, I had a subdural hematoma and it sent me to the hospital for 2 months. I'm not a fucking kid. I'm not some WWE mark. I've been watching wrestling for about 20 years. I've traveled 13 hours in a day round trip to see ROH shows. I've taken down the ROH set and ring, I've talked about comics with Bobby Dempsy, I've talked to Harley and Terry Funk about wrestling for extended periods of time.

And what do I care. Its a shame that you suffered that injury, no doubt, but just because you're more experienced than I am doesnt mean that your opinion is anymore valid than mine.

Why do you think I'm caught up in the Punk hype? I've fucking said a million times that his fans overrate him. I told another guy earlier to stop getting so excited. Punk is not the leader of a new era, he's not the "new Austin" all these tude era marks want him to be. Stop using straw man logic.

You're obviously caught up in the hype because you pull on every sting to defend this storyline. "Wait it out", I've never heard that excuse until now. Things just dont work out sometimes, you know. I'm not going to hold my tounge because two months from now it all might make sense. We're here to socialize, if you dont like my opinions then you dont pay attention to them, simple as that.

It's not that I have a problem with you voicing your opinion it's that you sound dumb. Here's what you sound like "FUCKING WWE, I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY BUT GODDAMN THEM FOR RUINING THE WHOLE STORY, WHY DONT' THEY DO STUFF THAT NO OTHER BUSINESS WOULD DO?!?!?"

If thats what I sound like then you cant read. I never said they ruined the WHOLE story, what makes you think some guy from WWE wont read my comments and turn the story inside out to make it make sense but right now it doesnt. That doesnt offend me, I just thought it was noteworthy that they started a "I'm getting misused" story with a mutliple time World Champion who was about to face Cena.

Instead, why don't you say "hmmm, I wonder why Punk is back so soon, here's why I think it is....."

Hes back so soon because Triple H signed him. Thats obvious. I just think they could've waited a while to sell CM Punk contemplating his return to the WWE and for the deal to be finalized.

Bitching about a story halfway through and bitching about a business doing something any other business is doing is NOT a reason to bitch. That's just bitching to bitch.

Gee so I should just hold my tounge and agree with every marketing technique I see because its going to be successful. Obviously the Punk story is bound to be good, it just could've been better.

Honestly, you sound more like someone who is pissed Zack Ryder didn't get the push. Which is dumb because he didn't even get that big of a reaction on Raw except for a few smarks who like him. So why on earth would you put him in this feud?

Yea, I'm pissed that a guy whos as over as he is and took the innitiative to get himself over online, has a connection withe the fans, and GETS PRAISED BY WWE LEGENDS is not getting a push. I wouldnt have given him this rivalry, but he fits the category of misused superstar more than anyone else in the WWE.

Okay, NOW it doesn't make sense, but why not wait and see instead of bitching about it? Seriously, I'm gonna use my memento analogy on you now.

Memento is a movie about acute short term memory loss, he can't make new memories but he remembers everything up until his injury. The movie plays out in reverse. You'll see 10-15 minutes, then it starts over from 10-15 minutes before the last segment started. Plus it plays a little story going foreward in black and white. If you just watch the first 20 minutes of it, it doesn't make any sense. It's actually a fantastic movie and a cult classic. YOU, with your "NOW" logic would have gone "fuck this movie it doesn't make any sense" and stopped watching.

The explanation makes no damn sense, why would I go and waste my money on a movie thats going to put me to think that much. This movie has nothing to do with the situation in the WWE, but anyone who doesnt question whats going to happen next and why something happened during a movie is just a boring fanboy. And this example makes no sense because it all depends on what kind of movies I like. Besides it being confusing the movie also doesnt sound like a comedy or an action movie, so I wouldnt watch it anyway.

You act as if people would watch that movie without going "what the fuck is going on" in the middle of those "moments" the character has.

 

[Shafer757]

Triple H has taken over the WWE, John Cena is champion, and CM Punk had a stare down with Cena to end this past Raw......


We have no idea where this is going, so why start complaining already OP? At least tune into next week and see what they have to say about this past Raw. Hell. Punk might not even be returning at this point for all we know (if WWE's website didn't offer unintentional spoilers). What if he just shows up every now and then just to show off that he has the belt?

 

[H33LTurn]

Triple H has taken over the WWE, John Cena is champion, and CM Punk had a stare down with Cena to end this past Raw......


We have no idea where this is going, so why start complaining already OP? At least tune into next week and see what they have to say about this past Raw. Hell. Punk might not even be returning at this point for all we know (if WWE's website didn't offer unintentional spoilers). What if he just shows up every now and then just to show off that he has the belt?

Oh no, how could you tempt me with this? See then I say that it makes no sense that a guy who isnt under WWE contract, isnt in good graces with WWE, and alluded to having a relationship with the CEO's wife at ComicCon is making it into the ring "every now and then" without being escorted out by security. And then you say wait it out and it just keeps going...

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

We saw a captivating story, for the first time in years, with the famous Monday night shoot and all the building they did up to Money In The Bank, I was actually moved by wrestling.

I don't think it was the first time in years... I thought the Cena/Rock/Miz stuff going into WrestleMania was actually pretty unique, an unexpectedly heart-stopping at time. The payout was a little weak, but it's still going to build into next year.

Basically, for the first time since the NWO, I was actually into it again, the story line was aggressive, it just had me back, especially after Money In The Bank PPV. The match was insane, back and forth, the crowd popped all the way through, the energy was amazing, and it was the best match I have seen, mostly because I believe CM Punk carried it very well.

I'm sorry the NWO was the last thing to excite you... You must have missed the rise and fall of Evolution, and all the fallout from it, not to mention all the feuding between Triple H and Shawn Michaels. The rise of John Cena to main event, the great Jericho heel turn, Edge and John Cena, the Nexus takeover of Raw, and about a dozen other moments that have shined since the NWO... That match was great though... Also, CM Punk didn't carry that match. The crowd carried that match. Cena performed better than he has in years, and he was on his game as well. Don't knock him just because it's the cool thing to do. He showed up for work that night, just like everyone else.

WHAT THE FUCK. I understand he wasn't literally going to be fired, but I really did think he was going to take his time off, and so was CM PUNK and there was gonna be time off for both of em.

Really? You thought Cena was going to take time off? Really? Listen, WWE fans are notorious for having the memory of a chimp. We get excited about things, but if the payoff doesn't happen within a few weeks, we lose interest? You really think Miz and Mysterio are going to carry something more intersting than CM PUnk and Cena for the next few months? I highly doubt it...

Both big draws are gone

And there's the statement that brings the whole theory crashing down... Both big draws are gone. What a great idea for business...

I just wanna know why isn't this writing team constantly creating great, productive ideas. You have the best job in the world and I understand Vince has say so about what is going on but for fucks sake, to the team, or to Vince, step it the fuck up.

I feel like you live in a world where the WWE has these guys writing the program like screenplay writers write for a movie. They don't just script the episodes and hand them out to the actors to be acted exactly the way they need every scene. I mean, they will if they have to, but that's what makes the product boring. Each character is made unique by the wrestler portraying his or her persona. Everyone has a say in what they do, and everyone can make up their own dialogue (within reason) and present it to creative. Chris Jericho, CM Punk, John Cena, Edge, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero...all the great talkers and shakers of the last decade didn't just take creative's ideas, walk out to the ring, and deliver them. They came up with their own stuff, and ran it through the system. Some times they did what they felt was right for their character and for the business, regardless of what creative was telling them. In the end, CM Punk knows CM Punk better than any of the writers do. Do not blame writing and production for the state of a product you don't like. First of all, nothing with this segment has failed...yet. It's still compelling and better than ever now that CM Punk is actually back. You want to see for yourself...go get your degree, apply for the job, and do it yourself. It's actually not as hard to get in as you'd think. They are constantly shuffling around creative talents, and most don't last more than a year or two at best. Get your degree and try it out, then come back and whine about how creative is screwing up the product. They're not. The wrestlers who go out there to collect a paycheck, who don't give a damn about their character or the industry are the ones ruining the product.

 

[mrpops]

Raw has been hot the last month or so. I actually look forward to watching it. Now WWE needs to give me ANY reason to tune into smackdown. Has anything cool happened on smackdown in the last 5-6 years? I havnt had a reason to watch that show since all the great wrestlers left to RAW, UFC, TNA or died....

Why doesnt WWE advertise smackdown on raw anymore? Is it because nothing cool happens on smackdown? It must be the reason.

I remember and used to love seeing those raw/smackdown replays/rewinds or whatever they were called. Gave me a reason to check out the other show.

 

[Heartachetonight926]

Raw has been hot the last month or so. I actually look forward to watching it. Now WWE needs to give me ANY reason to tune into smackdown. Has anything cool happened on smackdown in the last 5-6 years? I havnt had a reason to watch that show since all the great wrestlers left to RAW, UFC, TNA or died....

Why doesnt WWE advertise smackdown on raw anymore? Is it because nothing cool happens on smackdown? It must be the reason.

I remember and used to love seeing those raw/smackdown replays/rewinds or whatever they were called. Gave me a reason to check out the other show.

Smackdown has actually been very entertaining latley in my honest opinion, reading the results of Smackdown doesn't do it justice. There have been great matches and some good storylines the past couple of months, I suggest you check it out for yourself before you really judge it.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Wtf? It absolutely doesnt mean that. If there was any time for teh wiseasses on this website always bitching about Cole to speak up, it would be now. Him being over as a heel means that the fans dont like it. It doesnt mean they want to see him, it means that they dont like him. When theres someone you really despise, does that mean that you want them around. No it doesnt, it means you want them to leave.

No its not just based on the interwebs. And I've been on the corporate website many times and on top of that I watch the shareholders meeting every year. That doesnt show what the Punk storyline is going to get to, so I dont see what your point is.


I never said he should go against Cena, I said that if there ever was a guy to complain about not being used right in the WWE it would be Ryder. Hes over with the crowd and they still try to keep him off TV. Judging from the RAW roster you cant honestly look at Punk and think, "wow, they're dropping the ball on that guy" when theres guys like Ryder who are over and have charisma and get put on a brand show once a month.


The fuck do I care if I'm not booking from a business perspective, I'm booking from a wrestling perspective. I'm an IWC member, not a big wig at WWE inc. And yes, the fans tune in to see Punk and Cena only, thats why RAW gets absolutely no ratings besides the first 8 minutes and the last 20 minutes on RAW. And I know they want to know whats going on with Cena and Punk, but everyone even the people at WZ can acknowledge that the rivalry is being rushed. They needed to give it some time to sink in.


Well you were trying to say that if I kept Cena and Punk off TV that the fans would ultimately forget about them. The whole point of the tournament is because Punk just left with the WWE title, which he beat Cena for. Thats not going to slip the fan's minds.


How much does it really mean to be at the top of your game when your competition is TNA? Their roster doesnt need TV time, its needs a wheelchair and a stay at home nurse. If a network realizes that their show is not drawing the numbers they like, they drop the show, no matter how successful the show is on its own right.



And what do I care. Its a shame that you suffered that injury, no doubt, but just because you're more experienced than I am doesnt mean that your opinion is anymore valid than mine.


You're obviously caught up in the hype because you pull on every sting to defend this storyline. "Wait it out", I've never heard that excuse until now. Things just dont work out sometimes, you know. I'm not going to hold my tounge because two months from now it all might make sense. We're here to socialize, if you dont like my opinions then you dont pay attention to them, simple as that.


If thats what I sound like then you cant read. I never said they ruined the WHOLE story, what makes you think some guy from WWE wont read my comments and turn the story inside out to make it make sense but right now it doesnt. That doesnt offend me, I just thought it was noteworthy that they started a "I'm getting misused" story with a mutliple time World Champion who was about to face Cena.


Hes back so soon because Triple H signed him. Thats obvious. I just think they could've waited a while to sell CM Punk contemplating his return to the WWE and for the deal to be finalized.


Gee so I should just hold my tounge and agree with every marketing technique I see because its going to be successful. Obviously the Punk story is bound to be good, it just could've been better.

Yea, I'm pissed that a guy whos as over as he is and took the innitiative to get himself over online, has a connection withe the fans, and GETS PRAISED BY WWE LEGENDS is not getting a push. I wouldnt have given him this rivalry, but he fits the category of misused superstar more than anyone else in the WWE.


The explanation makes no damn sense, why would I go and waste my money on a movie thats going to put me to think that much. This movie has nothing to do with the situation in the WWE, but anyone who doesnt question whats going to happen next and why something happened during a movie is just a boring fanboy. And this example makes no sense because it all depends on what kind of movies I like. Besides it being confusing the movie also doesnt sound like a comedy or an action movie, so I wouldnt watch it anyway.

You act as if people would watch that movie without going "what the fuck is going on" in the middle of those "moments" the character has.

"Cole getting boos means no one wants him on TV" really? That's stupid. I guess no heel should be on tv. Make everyone a good guy. Vince sees the quarter hour ratings. If no one is flipping the channel when cole is on, and he's getting some of the loudest boos of any heel. That means people will watch to see him get his ass beat. Do you not understand wrestling?

My point with the second part is not to believe all the backstage stuff. The Punk storyline makes sense. An egotystical cult like figure going up against "the man" because he feels wronged? That works.

I agree, Ryder should be used. However, how much of his overness comes from the fact that he's not used and people feel he's mistreated? I think Terry Funk once said "sympathy is the best thing a babyface can have".

I'm not saying Raw will go to shit without Cena and Punk, I'm saying it'd be a really bad idea. The angle is still over and the concensus even here is that you couldn't keep them off TV long. Of course you're booking for what you want, you still think selfishly. How old are you again? You really talk like someone who can't think from another's perspective and so you complain when you don't understand why the WWE did what they did. It makes no sense to complain when they're doing the smart business thing even if the angle isn't as realistic. This is pro wrestling, not a Daniel Day-Lewis oscar caliber movie.

I'm trying to say if you kept Punk and Cena off TV then had them show up for a week to build summerslam it would hurt summerslam buys and yes the angle would lose some steam. The tournament made sense in the moment, things change. Like I keep saying, it's about the journey, not the destination, if they tell you the whole story in one night, why come back again?

WWE's only competition isn't TNA. They beat everyone else, every other fucking show. That's how good they are. If they don't beat every other show, they still beat most of them. When I say "WWE is consistently near the top" I mean they get higher ratings than most other shows in the timeslot and most other shows on USA. USA will not drop them, they make them too much money and right now, through the PG stuff everyone on here stupidly hates, promote a good image as well.

My opinion isn't anymore valid than yours. However, I'm not arguing that what I would book is better than yours. I'm saying it's ignorant of you to bitch about a story halfway through and it's dumb to bitch about the WWE for doing what makes good business sense. Serioulsy just stop and think about that for a minute. You are complaining about a story without even knowing all the answers. You have probably already convinced yourself that whatever explanation they have won't make sense (you even said that). You are bitching that the WWE is putting their two hottest commodities on TV. That's like wanting Coke to take Coke off the assembly lines for a while. It's useless and ignorant to complain about it.

I'm not caught up in the hype. Personally, I don't think this storyline is any better than Rock vs Cena. I'm not gasming over it like all the Punk fans. So please, stop using straw man logic to think my opinion is something it's not.

Why is it so crazy that CM Punk, an egotystical character, a cult leader type character, thinks he's being misused? Hitler wanted to take over the world, he got elected leader of a country, he still didn't think it was enough.

He's back because of HHH? What if he's not? Maybe he is. Maybe he didn't actually even resign. Who knows, nothing has been said, that's why it's okay to speculate, but dumb to trash what's happened because we DON'T KNOW.

"It could have been better" is incredibly subjective. It could have been better to YOU. I've enjoyed it a lot. So have a lot of people. The WWE could always make things more enjoyable to YOU, but why would they? I live close to a steak and shake and I'd love it if they also served Pizza and Italian food so I wouldn't have to go anywhere else, but they don't and shouldn't change just to cater to me. I understand that and don't bitch.

Ryder wasn't that over on Raw. He beat the shit out of one of the most over, hated heels and got a "Ryder" chant from the 20% of the audience who follows him on the net. Also, who knows he wasn't told to do the net stuff? Maybe they are testing things with him. Ever think of that? Even so, he was on TV, he was in a great "let's see how over he is" match by putting him against a hated guy he could squash. What do you want? Them to push the shit out of him and it fail? Just because the net loves him, doesn't mean he's massively over, because he clearly isn't.

Lol why would you go see a movie that makes you think? Well, believe it or not, some people like intelligent movies that they can think along with. That's why it's a cult classic now.

I do question what happens next, I just don't bitch about it and say they messed up when I don't even know what's going to happen. It's immature to do so and shows a serious lack of foreward thinking. The movie analogy works because it is a movie that only makes sense if you see the whole thing. Which is really how this storyline is working. So yes, it's a great example. However, you saying that you only like comedies and action movies probably means you're pretty stupid when it comes to storytelling. Seriously, comedies and action movies are incredibly dumbed down from a storytelling perspective. It's probably why this current Punk/Cena stuff is frustrating you because you can't stand that everything isn't spelled out for you every 5 seconds like it is in comedies and action movies.

They would say "what the fuck is going on" but they they continue to watch and go "oooo that was cool, this is fun".

You pretty much made yourself sound like either an immature young adult or a kid. You admitted you only like dumbed down movies and can't stand hvaing everything spelled out for you.

 

[Notorious718]

To each his or her own, I suppose. I personally have been enjoying this angle more than anything else I've seen in a long time. I'm not going to pass judgement on this angle just because Punk came back already or because Cena is (supposedly) champ again after beating Mysterio. I won't go so far to say the storyline is ruined. On the contrary, I'm still amped for next week's RAW. I most certainly will not stop watching just because Punk returned earlier than expected or because Cena beat Mysterio for the title.

 

[H33LTurn]

"Cole getting boos means no one wants him on TV" really? That's stupid. I guess no heel should be on tv. Make everyone a good guy. Vince sees the quarter hour ratings. If no one is flipping the channel when cole is on, and he's getting some of the loudest boos of any heel. That means people will watch to see him get his ass beat. Do you not understand wrestling?

No you dont. I clearly said Mark Henry is a heel and I dont mind him being on TV. My beef with Cole is that hes detrimental to RAW's announcing and is constantly involved in some ridiculous storyline.

My point with the second part is not to believe all the backstage stuff. The Punk storyline makes sense. An egotystical cult like figure going up against "the man" because he feels wronged? That works.

Egotistical people dont sell themselves short.

I'm not saying Raw will go to shit without Cena and Punk, I'm saying it'd be a really bad idea. The angle is still over and the concensus even here is that you couldn't keep them off TV long. Of course you're booking for what you want, you still think selfishly. How old are you again? You really talk like someone who can't think from another's perspective and so you complain when you don't understand why the WWE did what they did. It makes no sense to complain when they're doing the smart business thing even if the angle isn't as realistic. This is pro wrestling, not a Daniel Day-Lewis oscar caliber movie.

You have to be an idiot. How many times do I have to tell you I could give a rats ass what business decision WWE is making, I'm in it for the entertainment. Stop mentioning the damn business!

I'm trying to say if you kept Punk and Cena off TV then had them show up for a week to build summerslam it would hurt summerslam buys and yes the angle would lose some steam. The tournament made sense in the moment, things change. Like I keep saying, it's about the journey, not the destination, if they tell you the whole story in one night, why come back again?

What? Everybody tunes in the first night to see who the champ is gonna be, they tune in the next week to see what the champ is gunna do, Vince tries to fire cena but gets fired the following week, and then triple h tells cena he'll announce his opponent for SS later that nigth after his match with Rey. CM Punk comes back, SS gets huge buys.

My opinion isn't anymore valid than yours. However, I'm not arguing that what I would book is better than yours. I'm saying it's ignorant of you to bitch about a story halfway through and it's dumb to bitch about the WWE for doing what makes good business sense. Serioulsy just stop and think about that for a minute. You are complaining about a story without even knowing all the answers. You have probably already convinced yourself that whatever explanation they have won't make sense (you even said that). You are bitching that the WWE is putting their two hottest commodities on TV. That's like wanting Coke to take Coke off the assembly lines for a while. It's useless and ignorant to complain about it.

So you're saying because I'm a wrestling fan and even though I might not feel fully entertained right now I have to shut up and take it because WWE is always going to do whats right FOR THEM. Can you PLEASE shut up with the whole business excuse. I could care less about WWE from a business standpoint. I'm merely pointing out that Punk is a really successful guy to be whining about being misused. Who knows, maybe theres more to that. Sorry is my saying that gets your panties in a bunch.

I'm not caught up in the hype. Personally, I don't think this storyline is any better than Rock vs Cena. I'm not gasming over it like all the Punk fans. So please, stop using straw man logic to think my opinion is something it's not.

If you werent so caught up in the hype you would be able to step back and think logically as to why I might something wrong with a former world champ and one of RAW's biggest stars acting like hes not being treated right.

Why is it so crazy that CM Punk, an egotystical character, a cult leader type character, thinks he's being misused? Hitler wanted to take over the world, he got elected leader of a country, he still didn't think it was enough.

Yeah, Hitler was a polititian struggling to keep a country under his control by any means necessary. Punk isnt in charge of a country that could rebel against him during a time of crisis, hes a relatively big star in the WWE.

He's back because of HHH? What if he's not? Maybe he is. Maybe he didn't actually even resign. Who knows, nothing has been said, that's why it's okay to speculate, but dumb to trash what's happened because we DON'T KNOW.

I'm sorry, I know your biggest enemy is logic but think how logical it would be that a guy who has absolutely no business being in the WWE since hes "not resigned yet" makes his way from the back area and gets into the ring without a single member of the security team comming after him? Hes fucking signed.

"It could have been better" is incredibly subjective. It could have been better to YOU. I've enjoyed it a lot. So have a lot of people. The WWE could always make things more enjoyable to YOU, but why would they? I live close to a steak and shake and I'd love it if they also served Pizza and Italian food so I wouldn't have to go anywhere else, but they don't and shouldn't change just to cater to me. I understand that and don't bitch.

By your logic, "bitching" is acknowledging that something could be better to YOU. So in fact you did just bitch about that store, because you acknowledged that it would be nice if they did something you liked, just like I did with this storyline. Does WWE have a fucking reason to do what I want, no, it doesnt make me want it any less.

Ryder wasn't that over on Raw. He beat the shit out of one of the most over, hated heels and got a "Ryder" chant from the 20% of the audience who follows him on the net. Also, who knows he wasn't told to do the net stuff? Maybe they are testing things with him. Ever think of that? Even so, he was on TV, he was in a great "let's see how over he is" match by putting him against a hated guy he could squash. What do you want? Them to push the shit out of him and it fail? Just because the net loves him, doesn't mean he's massively over, because he clearly isn't.

I dont want him to get a push to the moon. I think it would be nice that the guy who sits in front of a webcam every week playing a character I wouldnt even bare playing, and gets so many mentions by people in the WWE, could get a match every now and then. Thats all.

Lol why would you go see a movie that makes you think? Well, believe it or not, some people like intelligent movies that they can think along with. That's why it's a cult classic now.

Ok, and I dont.

I do question what happens next, I just don't bitch about it and say they messed up when I don't even know what's going to happen. It's immature to do so and shows a serious lack of foreward thinking. The movie analogy works because it is a movie that only makes sense if you see the whole thing. Which is really how this storyline is working. So yes, it's a great example. However, you saying that you only like comedies and action movies probably means you're pretty stupid when it comes to storytelling. Seriously, comedies and action movies are incredibly dumbed down from a storytelling perspective. It's probably why this current Punk/Cena stuff is frustrating you because you can't stand that everything isn't spelled out for you every 5 seconds like it is in comedies and action movies.

Its not frustrating me, I just pointed out a flaw in the story, a flaw you cant face that they wont fix, and therefore you started ranting.

They would say "what the fuck is going on" but they they continue to watch and go "oooo that was cool, this is fun".

Just like I'm doing. I'm saying what the fuck is up with the megastar complaining about being misused but its not going to keep me from watching RAW next week.

You pretty much made yourself sound like either an immature young adult or a kid. You admitted you only like dumbed down movies and can't stand hvaing everything spelled out for you.

I would love to know when I admited to this. Look you're the one who sounds like a kid, you and every other die hard WWE/biz mark out there. Waiting it out because the story isnt finished is such a stupid excuse. WWE is nonstop, therefore the story never ends. I'm not going to quit posting my view on the forums because you cant stand that as of right now theres a flaw in the story. If they fix it by next week good for them, I'm still putting in my 2 cents.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

No you dont. I clearly said Mark Henry is a heel and I dont mind him being on TV. My beef with Cole is that hes detrimental to RAW's announcing and is constantly involved in some ridiculous storyline.


Egotistical people dont sell themselves short.



You have to be an idiot. How many times do I have to tell you I could give a rats ass what business decision WWE is making, I'm in it for the entertainment. Stop mentioning the damn business!


What? Everybody tunes in the first night to see who the champ is gonna be, they tune in the next week to see what the champ is gunna do, Vince tries to fire cena but gets fired the following week, and then triple h tells cena he'll announce his opponent for SS later that nigth after his match with Rey. CM Punk comes back, SS gets huge buys.




So you're saying because I'm a wrestling fan and even though I might not feel fully entertained right now I have to shut up and take it because WWE is always going to do whats right FOR THEM. Can you PLEASE shut up with the whole business excuse. I could care less about WWE from a business standpoint. I'm merely pointing out that Punk is a really successful guy to be whining about being misused. Who knows, maybe theres more to that. Sorry is my saying that gets your panties in a bunch.


If you werent so caught up in the hype you would be able to step back and think logically as to why I might something wrong with a former world champ and one of RAW's biggest stars acting like hes not being treated right.


Yeah, Hitler was a polititian struggling to keep a country under his control by any means necessary. Punk isnt in charge of a country that could rebel against him during a time of crisis, hes a relatively big star in the WWE.


I'm sorry, I know your biggest enemy is logic but think how logical it would be that a guy who has absolutely no business being in the WWE since hes "not resigned yet" makes his way from the back area and gets into the ring without a single member of the security team comming after him? Hes fucking signed.

By your logic, "bitching" is acknowledging that something could be better to YOU. So in fact you did just bitch about that store, because you acknowledged that it would be nice if they did something you liked, just like I did with this storyline. Does WWE have a fucking reason to do what I want, no, it doesnt make me want it any less.


I dont want him to get a push to the moon. I think it would be nice that the guy who sits in front of a webcam every week playing a character I wouldnt even bare playing, and gets so many mentions by people in the WWE, could get a match every now and then. Thats all.


Ok, and I dont.


Its not frustrating me, I just pointed out a flaw in the story, a flaw you cant face that they wont fix, and therefore you started ranting.

Just like I'm doing. I'm saying what the fuck is up with the megastar complaining about being misused but its not going to keep me from watching RAW next week.
I would love to know when I admited to this. Look you're the one who sounds like a kid, you and every other die hard WWE/biz mark out there. Waiting it out because the story isnt finished is such a stupid excuse. WWE is nonstop, therefore the story never ends. I'm not going to quit posting my view on the forums because you cant stand that as of right now theres a flaw in the story. If they fix it by next week good for them, I'm still putting in my 2 cents.

This conversation is going nowhere, so this will be the last thing I say.

You did NOT point out a flaw in the story because the story isn't over yet, so how is it a flaw? What if they threatened to kill his mom if he didn't resign? There are a million (some better than others) reasons for him to be back so soon. Don't call it a flaw when you don't know the end.

As for me pointing out the business thing. All I'm saying is that the way you bitch about what happened, how upset you got is stupid. It blows my mind that you are upset that it doesn't entertain YOU as much even though it makes perfect sense otherwise. You said "it's a flaw" and "it's ruined" but you don't know the whole story. You should have said "I have no idea why they brought punk back, here's how I would have done it". Instead you acted more hostile to it like they just shot your dog. You don't even know the story, so how is it "flawed"?

How did Punk, the egotystical person, sell himself short? Maybe he got what he wanted?

As for plan, you basically just said a bunch of shit and then said "SS gets huge buys"...no it doesn't. NOBODY is as over as either one of these guys, not having them on the program hurts it. I don't give a fuck who is champion, they won't draw the same interest as Punk and Cena. Read around here, a majority of people on here even agree that you can't keep your two hottest assets off TV. Your plan does not work. I'm a business major at a top 10% school, you do not pull your hottest product off the line. Doesn't matter how cool your other shit is, especially not before a big event.

Yes I "bitched" about it, but I also said "they should never do this because it doesn't make sense for them". That's where me and you differ. I'm smart enough to add that. Instead YOU say "WWE ruined the angle with this flawed logic, they SHOULD have done this". That's my beef with you. I like your idea, from an artistic and storyline standpoint it's fine, but from a business standpoint it doesn't. I know you hate hearing that, but my point isn't that your idea was bad from a storyline standpoint, but that bitching about it in the manner you did and saying it is ruined is stupid. It's stupid to say it's ruined and that they should do something else. You can suggest other idea you'd like to see, but saying they should do something nobody with so much as a business degree from a community college would do is ignorant of you.

Again, you're thinking I'm caught up in the hype. Fucking look up "straw man logic" that's what you're doing. I'm NOT caught up in the hype, I've told you, I'm not jizzing all over this angle like the CM Punk fans on here. I'm saying there is NO FLAW in an egotystical character thinking he's misused. He doesn't main event mania and he's not on the programs and he's not featured as much as he wants to be. What the fuck is so flawed about that?

Yea, you don't enjoy intelligent storytelling or anything that doesn't spell shit out for you, that's obvious.

It's not a flaw. There isn't a flaw in the logic that Punk's character feels mistreated and there's not a flaw in him coming back so soon because you don't know the whole story. It's short-sided of you to think so and you aren't thinking critically.

I don't want you to quit posting. I just want you to start thinking more critically outside of "this is what I want" to "I wonder why?" The story isn't over, so it's not a flaw, in all of your instances where you stated what you would have done, your idea was fleshed out through SummerSlam. You don't even know what they'll do next week. So how can you even compare your ideas? It's like comparing (and I'm going to use movies you've probably seen) Transformers to Star Trek after only seeing 15 minutes of Star Trek. You CAN'T because you don't know the whole story. You said "if they fix it next week"....well if they "fix it" then that means it was part of the story all along doesn't it dumbshit, so it's not a fucking flaw. Right now it's what's called a "loose end". It's not a "flaw".

I'm not a "WWE/biz mark". Once again, straw man logic. Just because I point out that it's stupid to criticize the WWE for doing what they should do doesn't mean I'm a mark for them. As I've said, I've only spent about 100 dollars on them in the past 7 years and about 2,000 on ROH and probably 600 on other companies besides ROH and WWE.

I said you seem like a kid because you have a very immature/childish viewpoint on storytelling and movies. Stupid people like comedies and action movies only. They're simple. You can do homework or cook supper while watching those and you pretty much don't miss anything because the whole story is spelled out. I know you don't think I can judge your comprehension skills based on that but it really does say something about you as a person when it comes to entertainment at least that you don't like things to make you think too much. You want everything to make sense at all moments all the time and be spelled out. At least that's how comedies and action movies are. So of course I'm going to guess you're a kid and/or immature.

What's your education level and what's your emphasis? How old are you? I bet I'm right in my thinking.

Again, I have no problem with your taste in movies, some people just like that. I have no problem with you feeling uneasy about the story or having your own suggestion. My problem is you calling it a flaw when you don't even know the whole story. My other problem is you saying the WWE should do something different than what any business would do. It's like being mad at a cat for being a cat. You don't take a cat to a park, throw a ball, and go "GODDAMNIT ACT LIKE A DOG" it's a fucking cat. A cat is a cat and a dog is a dog and WWE is a business. Nobody should ever be pissed or think it should do something different. You can make suggestions, but to literally suggest and get pissed that they should do something different is dumb.

 

[H33LTurn]

This conversation is going nowhere, so this will be the last thing I say.
You did NOT point out a flaw in the story because the story isn't over yet, so how is it a flaw? What if they threatened to kill his mom if he didn't resign? There are a million (some better than others) reasons for him to be back so soon. Don't call it a flaw when you don't know the end.

The flaw I pointed out doesnt depend on the ending of the story.

As for me pointing out the business thing. All I'm saying is that the way you bitch about what happened, how upset you got is stupid. It blows my mind that you are upset that it doesn't entertain YOU as much even though it makes perfect sense otherwise. You said "it's a flaw" and "it's ruined" but you don't know the whole story. You should have said "I have no idea why they brought punk back, here's how I would have done it". Instead you acted more hostile to it like they just shot your dog. You don't even know the story, so how is it "flawed"?

I never got upset, you're the one ranting here. I'm saying theres something that doesnt make sense here, but I see where they're going with this.

As for plan, you basically just said a bunch of shit and then said "SS gets huge buys"...no it doesn't. NOBODY is as over as either one of these guys, not having them on the program hurts it. I don't give a fuck who is champion, they won't draw the same interest as Punk and Cena. Read around here, a majority of people on here even agree that you can't keep your two hottest assets off TV. Your plan does not work. I'm a business major at a top 10% school, you do not pull your hottest product off the line. Doesn't matter how cool your other shit is, especially not before a big event.

Oh your a business major, now I see why you were mentioning the business aspect of it all. And I "just said a bunch of shit". Really? Maybe you should read what I type before you respond.

Yes I "bitched" about it, but I also said "they should never do this because it doesn't make sense for them". That's where me and you differ. I'm smart enough to add that. Instead YOU say "WWE ruined the angle with this flawed logic, they SHOULD have done this". That's my beef with you. I like your idea, from an artistic and storyline standpoint it's fine, but from a business standpoint it doesn't. I know you hate hearing that, but my point isn't that your idea was bad from a storyline standpoint, but that bitching about it in the manner you did and saying it is ruined is stupid. It's stupid to say it's ruined and that they should do something else. You can suggest other idea you'd like to see, but saying they should do something nobody with so much as a business degree from a community college would do is ignorant of you.

Boo hoo, my idea wouldnt draw in as much big bucks as every single RAW filled with CM Punk and Cena shit for all the smarks. At least it makes sense storyline wise, which was all I was pointing out.

Again, you're thinking I'm caught up in the hype. Fucking look up "straw man logic" that's what you're doing. I'm NOT caught up in the hype, I've told you, I'm not jizzing all over this angle like the CM Punk fans on here. I'm saying there is NO FLAW in an egotystical character thinking he's misused. He doesn't main event mania and he's not on the programs and he's not featured as much as he wants to be. What the fuck is so flawed about that?

Egotistical charcters usually act like they're the best, like Michael Cole. Punk is selling himself short when hes really just a spot under Cena on the RAW roster.

Yea, you don't enjoy intelligent storytelling or anything that doesn't spell shit out for you, that's obvious.

Intelligent storytelling is having a guy who just left a company that he HATED come back in two weeks after making a joke about fucking the new boss's wife and calling him a doofus? Ok

It's not a flaw. There isn't a flaw in the logic that Punk's character feels mistreated and there's not a flaw in him coming back so soon because you don't know the whole story. It's short-sided of you to think so and you aren't thinking critically.

This is really just all opinion. Hell just because you agree on what WWE did doesnt mean my 2 cents isnt worth giving some thought.

I don't want you to quit posting. I just want you to start thinking more critically outside of "this is what I want" to "I wonder why?" The story isn't over, so it's not a flaw, in all of your instances where you stated what you would have done, your idea was fleshed out through SummerSlam. You don't even know what they'll do next week. So how can you even compare your ideas? It's like comparing (and I'm going to use movies you've probably seen) Transformers to Star Trek after only seeing 15 minutes of Star Trek. You CAN'T because you don't know the whole story. You said "if they fix it next week"....well if they "fix it" then that means it was part of the story all along doesn't it dumbshit, so it's not a fucking flaw. Right now it's what's called a "loose end". It's not a "flaw".

Wow you're really riled up there fella. Ok its not a flaw, everything that WWE does makes a hundred percent as long as Vince is rich and Punk has the smarks in the palm of his hand.

I'm not a "WWE/biz mark". Once again, straw man logic. Just because I point out that it's stupid to criticize the WWE for doing what they should do doesn't mean I'm a mark for them. As I've said, I've only spent about 100 dollars on them in the past 7 years and about 2,000 on ROH and probably 600 on other companies besides ROH and WWE.

Yes you are. As soon as I criticize you're quick to jump the WWE bandwagon. Its MY opinion. Obviously you dont see it the same way as I do, probably because WWE has brainwashed you into thinking its all one big idea and they're not pulling it out their ass as they go.

I said you seem like a kid because you have a very immature/childish viewpoint on storytelling and movies.

How can you be so stupid?

What's your education level and what's your emphasis? How old are you? I bet I'm right in my thinking.

Make another joke about my age and I'll tear your ass up on that little brain injury you have. I dont kow why I'm arguing with someone who isnt 100% all there anyway.

Again, I have no problem with your taste in movies, some people just like that.

Doesnt this contradict the insult you just gave to people who like action movies and comedies a while earlier.

My problem is you calling it a flaw when you don't even know the whole story. My other problem is you saying the WWE should do something different than what any business would do.

I dont know what its going to take for you to understand that I dont care what WWE would do business wise since I know they're always going to be right on that. I'm just saying from an entertainment perspective and a chronological perspective things would've been better if they followed my example.

Nobody should ever be pissed or think it should do something different.

[/QUOTE]
You sound like a Nazi right here. And lord knows they were never wrong.

 

[RKOPUNK]

Look, I tried being nice, shut the fuck up you ridiculous fan boy. You're all over every CM Punk thread kissing his ass. Since when the fuck did aybody tell you that your ideas were so good that you could go aroun trying to flame every suggestion someone else makes. Yes, I would have Cena and Punk off TV, for THREE damn weeks. Cena NEEDS time off and Punk needs to sell the contract expiring. Of course he would go to interviews and other events to remind people that hes still the damn champ. RAW still has Rey, Del Rio, Miz, and Triple H to carry the damn brand, I'm sure they'll do fine. Didnt it feel so good when you werent sure if Punk was signed to WWE or not. The media is going to lose interest in this story because what drew them in was the realistic nature. With Punk coming backs so soon it not only makes him look like a huge hypocrite but it brings in that staged aspect again.

I'm going to take this post point by point

•calling someone a ridiculous fan boy because call your idea stupid, when it actually was stupid.

•Having them off for 3 weeks? Bad for business.there goes 3/4 off your summerslam build up time right there.

•How do you know Cena needs time off? Are you a personal friend of his? Does he call you up and go "Yo h33lturn, I'm so burned out lately, I could use sometime off"? Don't make assumptions like this based on Reports on the Internet. These Reports were only speculation and not something that could be used as a legitimate argument.

•They did sell the contract expiring. They 'fired' Vince. The contract didn't get signed because Vince didn't agree to the terms of the contract. Then Triple H 'overthrows' Vince and and meets enough of Punks demands to get him to resign.

•Rey isn't good enough to carry the flagship show. In ring, he's great. But his mic skill aren't up to scratch, and his underdog gimmick has run it's course.

Del rio has only been around for what? A year? And he isn't all that over. He's getting there. But not to the extent that he can help carry Raw.

The Miz could for a little while, but he needs a good face to fued with to do so, like when he was fueding with Cena.

Triple H could, but why should he. He's been wrestling his ass off for the last decade and a half, battled countless injuries, and giving us many memorable moments. And at the moment he appears to be happy in his non-wrestling role. If he wanted back in the ring, he'd be back in the ring. So he'll be back when he's ready, if at all.

•In every sport you have situations where a athletes contract is coming up, and no one knows if they'll resign or jump ship. When that athlete decides to resign, do you hear "OMG, he re signed to early!! So unrealistic!"? No you don't! Punk resigning is realistic, it makes sense. Why would you wait months to resign the guy who has just walked out with your biggest title, if there was a chance he was going somewhere else. Much more realistic than having him going months without competing anywhere if you ask me.

 

[H33LTurn]

I'm going to take this post point by point

•calling someone a ridiculous fan boy because call your idea stupid, when it actually was stupid.

I wasnt calling him a fanboy because he disagreed with me, his excuses were just bullshit. I have to agree with what WWE is doing because they're going to make money off of it. What sense does that make?

•Having them off for 3 weeks? Bad for business.there goes 3/4 off your summerslam build up time right there.

How much buildup could this rivalry need. All that needs to be said has been said between the two. Face it, you'd buy Summerslam even if you had heard an hour before that Punk had resigned with WWE.

•How do you know Cena needs time off? Are you a personal friend of his? Does he call you up and go "Yo h33lturn, I'm so burned out lately, I could use sometime off"? Don't make assumptions like this based on Reports on the Internet. These Reports were only speculation and not something that could be used as a legitimate argument.

Its been known for some time that he has had nagging injuries, like most of the roster. We're talking about a guy who hasnt taken a break since 2005, I'm pretty sure hes burned out.

•They did sell the contract expiring. They 'fired' Vince. The contract didn't get signed because Vince didn't agree to the terms of the contract. Then Triple H 'overthrows' Vince and and meets enough of Punks demands to get him to resign.

Fair enough.

•Rey isn't good enough to carry the flagship show. In ring, he's great. But his mic skill aren't up to scratch, and his underdog gimmick has run it's course.

Really, because up until the point where Cena beat Rey for the title he was doing a fantastic job carrying the brand. We're not talking about an extended period of time, we're talking about a couple of weeks that are destined to be great due to the MITB fallout and Triple H taking over.

Del rio has only been around for what? A year? And he isn't all that over. He's getting there. But not to the extent that he can help carry Raw.

I dont see why he couldnt help carry RAW. He did a great job of helping carry Smackdown plus hes the MITB winner, which means he will be carrying the brand sooner than later.

The Miz could for a little while, but he needs a good face to fued with to do so, like when he was fueding with Cena.

ALex Riley? Rey Mysterio?

Triple H could, but why should he. He's been wrestling his ass off for the last decade and a half, battled countless injuries, and giving us many memorable moments. And at the moment he appears to be happy in his non-wrestling role. If he wanted back in the ring, he'd be back in the ring. So he'll be back when he's ready, if at all.

He doesnt have to wrestle, his involvement as CEO would be enough of a contribution.

•In every sport you have situations where a athletes contract is coming up, and no one knows if they'll resign or jump ship. When that athlete decides to resign, do you hear "OMG, he re signed to early!! So unrealistic!"? No you don't! Punk resigning is realistic, it makes sense. Why would you wait months to resign the guy who has just walked out with your biggest title, if there was a chance he was going somewhere else. Much more realistic than having him going months without competing anywhere if you ask me.

But this isnt a sport, its WWE. From a storyline perspective its feeling rushed (wasnt there a thread on this site about this sort of thing). Anyway I know WWE fans and how they are, when it all simmers down they'll be whining about how it all happened too soon They've done that with every other rivalry, regardless of how drawn out they've been.

 

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I wasnt calling him a fanboy because he disagreed with me, his excuses were just bullshit. I have to agree with what WWE is doing because they're going to make money off of it. What sense does that make?

His excuse weren't bullshit, he had a good point. You want WWE to keep the Biggest thing they have going off of T.V, any good business man would tell that's a stupid idea. That'd be like going to KFC and saying "Lets stop selling chicken for a while, then when we start selling it again, everyone will go crazy for it." But in the meantime, you're losing a lot of revenue.

How much buildup could this rivalry need. All that needs to be said has been said between the two. Face it, you'd buy Summerslam even if you had heard an hour before that Punk had resigned with WWE.

I would, but what about the non-informed viewers? Not everyone frequents Wresting sites like Wrestezone. You are thinking through the warped "IWC" viewpoint.

Its been known for some time that he has had nagging injuries, like most of the roster. We're talking about a guy who hasnt taken a break since 2005, I'm pretty sure hes burned out.

Again, how do you know for sure. Most of the roster probably do have nagging injuries, but how do you know the extent of these injuries, and whether they warrant a break? Vince loves Cena. He knows Cena is his biggest draw, and that he needs to keep him happy, so if Cena felt like he needed a bit of a break, Vince would give him one


Fair enough.

Really, because up until the point where Cena beat Rey for the title he was doing a fantastic job carrying the brand. We're not talking about an extended period of time, we're talking about a couple of weeks that are destined to be great due to the MITB fallout and Triple H taking over.

Carrying the brand is a fairly large exageration. I'd say supporting member to the one's who carry the show, and at that point they were Punk and Cena

I dont see why he couldnt help carry RAW. He did a great job of helping carry Smackdown plus hes the MITB winner, which means he will be carrying the brand sooner than later.

There it is right there, he did a great job of helping carry Smackdown. But this isn't Smackdown, this is Raw, the flagship show. Not to mention, he also had a great opponent in Edge to feud with.

ALex Riley? Rey Mysterio?

The same Alex Riley that he just got off feuding with? It's time for both of them to move on. And like i said in my first post, Rey lacks the mic skills to hang with The Miz, it would get boring

He doesnt have to wrestle, his involvement as CEO would be enough of a contribution.

He will draw, and this new angle will garner a lot of interest, but you can only draw so much without competing in the ring.

But this isnt a sport, its WWE. From a storyline perspective its feeling rushed (wasnt there a thread on this site about this sort of thing). Anyway I know WWE fans and how they are, when it all simmers down they'll be whining about how it all happened too soon They've done that with every other rivalry, regardless of how drawn out they've been.

I beg to differ, to me Professional wrestling is a sport, the only difference is the events are scripted. WWE just gave you the most realistic and entertaining storyline in years, but all you seem to want to do is pick out all the parts you don't like, and complain that they should have made it more realistic and that they are rushing it. Here's an idea, sit back, watch it unfold, and when it's all over and done with, then you can come and complain about whether you thought it was rushed. But until that time comes, give it a chance for fuck sake.

 

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His excuse weren't bullshit, he had a good point. You want WWE to keep the Biggest thing they have going off of T.V, any good business man would tell that's a stupid idea. That'd be like going to KFC and saying "Lets stop selling chicken for a while, then when we start selling it again, everyone will go crazy for it." But in the meantime, you're losing a lot of revenue.

Let me give you an example. John Cena has been in the title picture for most of his career. People compain about it but WWE keeps doing it because its good business. The fact that its good business doesnt mean that people dont have a point when they say they dont agree with Cena being in the title picture.

I would, but what about the non-informed viewers? Not everyone frequents Wresting sites like Wrestezone. You are thinking through the warped "IWC" viewpoint.

And you think the casual fans know anything about this storyline. Guys like Lagana have pointed out that theres a huge lack of backstory to this whole thing so the TV fans are already in the dark. They dont understand why Laurinitis is such a key figure as well as other points they made. Anyway, didnt we have this same scenario with Daniel Bryan last year?

Again, how do you know for sure. Most of the roster probably do have nagging injuries, but how do you know the extent of these injuries, and whether they warrant a break? Vince loves Cena. He knows Cena is his biggest draw, and that he needs to keep him happy, so if Cena felt like he needed a bit of a break, Vince would give him one

Nobody ever knows for sure about anything, its all speculation. Just like the guy who originally started arguing with me SPECULATED that the flaws I pointed out will all be explained by next week.

The same Alex Riley that he just got off feuding with? It's time for both of them to move on. And like i said in my first post, Rey lacks the mic skills to hang with The Miz, it would get boring

Rey doesnt lack mic skills, go look up his SD promos if you're not sure.

He will draw, and this new angle will garner a lot of interest, but you can only draw so much without competing in the ring.

The first RAW drew great attention for the next one after Triple H was revealed as CEO. Thats two RAWs getting attention because of Triple H and he didnt compete in the ring.

Here's an idea, sit back, watch it unfold, and when it's all over and done with, then you can come and complain about whether you thought it was rushed. But until that time comes, give it a chance for fuck sake.

Heres an idea, I'm on a forum so I'm going to speak my mind. If you have a problem with me or others criticizing your precious storyline then you can ignore me. People swear they're not caught up in the Punk hype, but people have been complaining about the Orton/Christian storyline since the first day it started. I gave the Punk/Cena story the time it needed before speaking my mind, but as far as I'm concerned my points are all still valid.