How to get Ambrose ready for Lesnar (if Reigns isn't)

[TheICChampion]

Bring back Jon Moxley. It's just that simple. You guys remember the whole Mankind/Cactus Jack dynamic from the 90s right? Jon Moxley is to Dean Ambrose what Cactus Jack was to Mankind. A somehow crazier alter-ego that wasn't revealed until it was needed. Say Reigns isn't ready for the main event title match, which in all likelihood he won't be. Have Ambrose win the Rumble, and then Heyman comes out and basically asks him what he has that makes him think that be can beat the Beast. Ambrose just says "You're right. I probably can't beat Lesnar. But Jon Moxley can." Of course, since most likely the only people who know Moxley are hardcore fans, what WWE needs to do is show some of his promo work, and be very careful of what they show from some of his old matches. Have him get a little more hardcore, and make sure people know that he will do WHATEVER it takes to beat his opponents.

So, do you guys think this is what WWE can do for Ambrose? Would this make you believe that Lesnar can be beaten by him? Am I way off? If so, what would you do in order to get Ambrose ready? It seems as though no one else is even close to being ready for Lesnar, and I sure as hell don't want to see Cena vs. Lesnar again.

 

[ColeMc]

How can anyone get build with Lesnar when the guy is completely absent?

No.1 contender maybe if Cena loses at TLC?

 

[ans1928]

To me, it's doubtful that Cena will lose to Rollins at TLC. Brock is allegedly going to make his next appearance at the Dec. 15th edition of Raw which is the night after TLC. As much as I hate to admit it (and see it, AGAIN), Brock and Cena are gonna be going at it for the title at Royal Rumble. Wouldn't be surprised if Orton interferes with Rollins v Cena at TLC to keep his feud with Seth going, which is fine by me. Rollins needs this feud to keep his progression going, because without the Authority, he really doesn't have much going on.

As for the Jon Moxley persona, I'm not too familiar. But I really don't think it's the right time for Ambrose to get his WHC push, no matter how they were to spin it. Don't get me wrong, I think Ambrose is one of the most promising superstars on the roster, but a push this early could ultimately tarnish his character long-term. I think Reigns, physically, could have a great match with Brock, but then again, it might be too early to put the belt around his waist too

 

[HurriKane]

There's not much of a difference between Jon Moxley and Dean Ambrose. I think wwe has already done a great job, of letting Ambrose keep all his personality traits, his promos and such, so I don't think he needs to bring up his past.

Dean Ambrose Vs Brock Lesnar is fine as it is, but I still think they are going with Reigns and Lesnar at WM

 

[DCLXVI]

I just don't see them having Ambrose be the guy to take it from Lesnar. Side by side the match would look kind of unbelievable between their two builds and I don't see Dean Ambrose's fast paced wild brawling style translating well to a match with "The Beast Incarnate". Ambrose is right where he should be right now until he gets a new feud. Cena is their "safe choice" even if it means seeing another match between the two. I imagine Rollins will cash in the MITB and win. I could be wrong though, stranger things have happened.

I think the plan was originally for Reigns to be the dude, but if he doesn't improve on his presence fast he will not be the one to take out the guy who ended Undertaker's streak. He still seems just a little green and stiff on his promos but his couple pre-taped interview segments show some improvement. That's a huge investment in the guy though because his push was already fizzling fast with the crowd before he got hurt. It felt forced then and they are gonna have to build him back up fast/good booking. Size and stature wise though, it would be believable at least.

 

[rbv13]

There is a major difference between the Mankind and Ambrose situations. Foley had well established the Cactus character well before ever stepping into a WWF ring. Cactus was widely recognized around the globe. He was especially recognized by the American public via his work with numerous promotions with television deals. The WWF embraced the Foley change for multiple reasons. Smaks were emerging, they needed to evolve his character and he was endearing to fans. When it comes to Mox most will be like WTF?

 

[peepshow]

I really don't think Ambrose is the kind of guy that really needs a title run to be relevant. He'll get over just for being crazy and having solid matches & promos. Reigns/Brock I think is wayyy overrated and I would actually be slightly disappointed if that ends up being the WM main event. I really don't know where that leaves the WWE though, considering Reigns seemed like their "Plan A" until his injury. If Reigns isn't the choice to face Brock, I really have no clue who it can be. It won't be Cena, I think that's pretty obvious. It won't be Rollins because he has the briefcase, thus rendering a title match illogical. When it comes down to it, the only babyfaces that really make any sense to face Brock would be Reigns and Randy Orton. I'd throw Ziggler in there as a huuuuge longshot, but who knows. They have A LOT of ground to cover with Reigns to get him ready for a title shot at WrestleMania. I fear what that match could become if Reigns can't get over like the WWE assumes he can get over by April...

 

[HBKistheHOF]

I don't think Ambrose would have to change his name back to Moxley or have an alter ego.

I would have Ambrose beat Wyatt via knockout at TLC in some crazy way, then have him win the royal rumble, defend his rumble victory/#1 contendership against Triple H in a big one on one match at the new PPV before Mania & then give him plenty of TV time leading into a big No DQ Title match against Lesnar at Mania, which he would win decisively after an insane brawl with The Beast Incarnate to become the new champion & face of the company.

 

[laodaron]

Lesnar v. Reigns would stink, but if there's a match that would stink more, it would be Ambrose v. Lesnar. I'm fine with Ambrose being at the top, but him fighting Lesnar when Lesnar smoked Cena like he did is about as stupid as booking can get.

 

[DCLXVI]

As another poster mentioned the Jon Moxley character was not that much different than Dean Ambrose... other than Dean Ambrose may act a little more unhinged and "crazy". He still talks similar. Cactus Jack and Mankind were pretty far apart. Way too early in his career on the "big stage" to do something like that anyway, especially since he's already over.

The only person I can see doing a gimmick shuffle would be Adam Rose. He used to play a crazy South African big game hunter type guy. Now he plays the party guy and is slowly getting more aggressive and darker. That is the most similar thing I can think of to like Mankind/Dude Love.

 

[rbv13]

There is a major difference between the Mankind and Ambrose situations. Foley had well established the Cactus character well before ever stepping into a WWF ring. Cactus was widely recognized around the globe. He was especially recognized by the American public via his work with numerous promotions with television deals. The WWF embraced the Foley change for multiple reasons. Smaks were emerging, they needed to evolve his character and he was endearing to fans. When it comes to Mox most will be like WTF?

 

[stonecoldstunner]

The only guy that realistically has any chance against Lesnar is Rusev. I would have Lana go on and on about how nobody in WWE can beat Rusev...keep this angle going for a few weeks...then the night after TLC....she comes out, says it again....BOOM....Brock Lesnar's music hits...the place will go bananas. People will get behind Brock, he isn't really a true heel..he's just a badass and people like him... and if he is the one to shut Rusev and Lana up he will get huge support from the Universe!! I would be very interested in that match. Then you can have both titles on the line at WM....Have Rusev beat Brock....then Brock beats the crap out of Rusev with a chair or whatever...then BOOM....Rollins cashes in MITB and beats Rusev and has both titles. So many possibilities at that point. Rusev keeps his monster like dominance because it took chair shots to weaken him so it's not really a clean pin...and Brock can give up the belt and go away. And people will leave WM going holy crap, and now the possibilities are limitless. The Authority with both belts...Have Rusev out of action for a little while...You can have a rumble for the US title..put it on a face like Ziggler and then have Rusev come back and win it back. Meanwhile Rollins can fued with Orton, Ambrose, Bryan, whoever....

 

[ans1928]

^ Rusev is nowhere near ready to be going against Brock, even if it's physically realistic. No way in hell do they have him headline Wrestlemania for the WWE WHC. Just simply will not happen, and if it does, hope they're ready to lose a lot of fans

 

[stonecoldstunner]

And who is ready? Roman Reigns?? Sigh...Ambrose?? haha.....Cena (again?!?) It's pretty much a given everyone knows Rusev is a total beast. Lesnar is a total beast. What kind of fans would they be losing exactly???

 

[6timehitta]

If you think Rusev against Brock will draw you MUST be delusional. They're both monster heels so how would you sell that? You think Lesnar gives a shit about "Repping America"? In all it will be either Reigns or Cena with an option C and D as Orton and HHH. Is it redundant and obvious that Brock will lose? Of Course, but no one would even be close to being believable other than Cena or Reigns. After this we can hope that Lesnar goes and becomes a punching bag for Cain Velasquez, JDS, or hell, I'm even considering saying lesser known heavyweights like Alistair Overeem or Fabricio Verdum.

 

[ColeMc]

The only guy that realistically has any chance against Lesnar is Rusev. I would have Lana go on and on about how nobody in WWE can beat Rusev...keep this angle going for a few weeks...then the night after TLC....she comes out, says it again....BOOM....Brock Lesnar's music hits...the place will go bananas. People will get behind Brock, he isn't really a true heel..he's just a badass and people like him... and if he is the one to shut Rusev and Lana up he will get huge support from the Universe!! I would be very interested in that match. Then you can have both titles on the line at WM....Have Rusev beat Brock....then Brock beats the crap out of Rusev with a chair or whatever...then BOOM....Rollins cashes in MITB and beats Rusev and has both titles. So many possibilities at that point. Rusev keeps his monster like dominance because it took chair shots to weaken him so it's not really a clean pin...and Brock can give up the belt and go away. And people will leave WM going holy crap, and now the possibilities are limitless. The Authority with both belts...Have Rusev out of action for a little while...You can have a rumble for the US title..put it on a face like Ziggler and then have Rusev come back and win it back. Meanwhile Rollins can fued with Orton, Ambrose, Bryan, whoever....

This is the most mark post I've seen since I've been here, albeit it isn't long but still, WOW.

They won't book Rusev against Brock, I'm sure any replies to this post will tell you why. And even if this all came true, Rollins would only get the WHC not both.

 

[MR K]

The reality is WWE have booked themselfs into a corner with Brock. He has been made to look rediculously strong. No-one on the roster can believably beat him one on one without a cheap finish.

 

[kadroan]

I don't think he needs to turn into Jon Moxley to be ready for Lesnar. Fans take him serious as Ambrose.

He showed he can compete against the best facing Rollins, Wyatt, Kane, etc. It's not like somebody has beat the crap out of him like Lesnar did Cena.

All they got to do is have Lesnar win the Rumble.

 

[mmmmbeer]

Here is how I would book Ambrose over Lesnar and why I think it is one of the only realistic scenarios for Lesnar to drop the belt.

The way the WWE has booked Lesnar, the only names that could realistically beat Lesnar conventionally would be Reigns, Cena and Rusev as a long shot. Cena would do nothing for the company right now, kids love him, smarks hate him and a title does nothing to change that dynamic. Reigns is too wooden and Rusev too green.

So where does Ambrose fit in. His crazy persona would lend itself to the belief that he can take insane amounts of punishment and fight back. Have him win the Rumble...cut promos about how Lesnar will have to knock him unconscious or kill him to win. Have some lead ups where Lesnar runs in, destroys Ambrose only to have Ambrose start cackling before Lesnar can walk back into the tunnel...all the time getting in Lesnar's head, pissing him off.

Make the match no DQ. Lesnar dominates save for some surprise offense here and there from Ambrose, tease the comeback only to have Ambrose eat an F5 or other punishment. Keeps kicking out...if WWE would ever go back to blood, this would be the match. Make Ambrose look dead on his feet...maybe hit a surprise Dirty Deeds only for Lesnar to kick out easily. Then have Lesnar put him in a submission hold only for Ambrose not to tap. Lesnar freaks out and starts stacking tables and drags the near lifeless form of Ambrose to the top rope for an F5. Have Ambrose reverse somehow to send Lesnar crashing through the tables...essentially beating himself. The load both men onto a stretcher, belt laid ontop of Ambrose only to have him raise it at the very end as they roll him out.

Longwinded fantasy booking, but it makes sense. Its consistent with Ambrose's character, the physical impossibility of anyone beating Lesnar straight up right now (I think this finish is more believable than Reigns winning clean) and gets the belt on someone the fans want to see.

MiTB would have to be addressed, as it would be a logical cash-in, but perhaps have Rollins run out only to get leveled by Reigns for a brief Shield acknowledgement. Or alternatively another opportunity for a vigilante Sting moment if he is legitimately standing at the end of the night.

 

[ans1928]

And who is ready? Roman Reigns?? Sigh...Ambrose?? haha.....Cena (again?!?) It's pretty much a given everyone knows Rusev is a total beast. Lesnar is a total beast. What kind of fans would they be losing exactly???

It's not so much that they'd be losing a lot of fans. More so, they'd be disappointing a lot of people. Be honest. Would you REALLY want to see Rusev vs. Lesnar as the Wrestlemania 31 headliner?................. I didn't think so. Why would they even possibly consider following up Brock's match vs. The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 30 by booking him to go up against Rusev? Not a knock to Rusev, but come on. Be realistic. Regardless of who they book Brock to face, they're gonna have an exceedingly difficult time topping the reaction they got out of everyone, including myself, after Brock pinned Taker last year. At least if they headlined with Brock vs. Rock they'd know they'd be able to put butts in seats and people would be tuning in on the Network worldwide. Not to mention that they're both heels, and turning Brock face only a month (or less) before this bs, hypothetical match up is ridiculous. I'm just gonna speak for myself in saying that I'd have zero interest in watching this match. Zero.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Except Cactus Jack worked because people knew who that was. No one will know Moxley.

If you just mean, turn up the volume, then I agree. Personally, I still think the money match is Bryan/Lesnar. I don't think Reigns is ready and I don't think he'll get that spot. I'd rather see (if possible), Reigns/Rock vs Rollins/Triple H. That gives Reigns a ton of exposure and the rub but it hides his flaws.

 

[BestWrestlingOpinions]

I think Dean is fine as he is right now. He is already crazy, and he can definitely take it to a whole new level with his currect character. It's just the WWE that won't let anything become even remotely good when 1) Lesnar isn't even on the show and 2) they won't escape the PG territory.