How Is Mickie James Not a Hall of Famer? Who is?

[MC_Live]

So recent reports indicate that WWE is thinking of putting Mickie James in the 2015 class of the WWE Hall of Fame. From the comments I've read, some people are saying she doesn't deserve it and hasn't done anything. Yet as per usual, nobody has a legitimate argument against her. This kind of infuriated me, as I just see it as people being stupid and lacking logic.

My argument for her:
She is a 6 time champion. 5 Woman's Championships, and 1 Divas Championship. The only other person to hold more Woman's titles is Trish Stratus, and the only other people to hold both are Michelle McCool, Beth Phoenix, and Melina. Her feud with Trish could be considered the best woman's feud of all time, and their match at Mania 22 is possible the greatest Woman's Match of any WrestleMania, if not the greatest Woman's match of all time. She spent almost 5 years in the company, and became one of the most poplar and successful not just Divas, but superstars of all time. If you ask me, that's a Hall of Fame career. Oh, and not that it matters to WWE, but she is also the only person to hold the Womans, Divas, and Knockouts Championships. Just to add to her credibility.

So, I'm asking, does anyone have a logical argument against her becoming a Hall of Famer? And who else, especially from the Women of wrestling, should go into the Hall of Fame if not Mickie James? For the record, I say Chyna and Sable are both deserving. (And please don't say Savage and Owen, we know they belong.)

 

[laodaron]

So recent reports indicate that WWE is thinking of putting Mickie James in the 2015 class of the WWE Hall of Fame. From the comments I've read, some people are saying she doesn't deserve it and hasn't done anything. Yet as per usual, nobody has a legitimate argument against her. This kind of infuriated me, as I just see it as people being stupid and lacking logic.

My argument for her:
She is a 6 time champion. 5 Woman's Championships, and 1 Divas Championship. The only other person to hold more Woman's titles is Trish Stratus, and the only other people to hold both are Michelle McCool, Beth Phoenix, and Melina. Her feud with Trish could be considered the best woman's feud of all time, and their match at Mania 22 is possible the greatest Woman's Match of any WrestleMania, if not the greatest Woman's match of all time. She spent almost 5 years in the company, and became one of the most poplar and successful not just Divas, but superstars of all time. If you ask me, that's a Hall of Fame career. Oh, and not that it matters to WWE, but she is also the only person to hold the Womans, Divas, and Knockouts Championships. Just to add to her credibility.

So, I'm asking, does anyone have a logical argument against her becoming a Hall of Famer? And who else, especially from the Women of wrestling, should go into the Hall of Fame if not Mickie James? For the record, I say Chyna and Sable are both deserving. (And please don't say Savage and Owen, we know they belong.)

It's really simple. Mickie James is still an active wrestler who has spent an equal amount of her career NOT wrestling in WWE.

She's great, and in 10 more years, she'll be a perfect candidate for the HoF. In the mean time, why not just give it to Nattie Neidhart? She's been wrestling nearly as long as Mickie James, and about the same amount of time in WWE. Maybe Tamina Snuka wants a HoF bid.

Mickie James WILL be a HoF wrestler, but probably not in the WWE. Not unless she comes back and gives another 5-10 years. There has to be some amount of impact on the actual WWE to be in the WWE HoF.

 

[Meth Head]

While I could see her getting inducted into the Hall of Fame someday, she ain't getting there before Sable and Chyna.

Mickie James WILL be a HoF wrestler, but probably not in the WWE. Not unless she comes back and gives another 5-10 years. There has to be some amount of impact on the actual WWE to be in the WWE HoF.

I would argue that she did make a significant impact during her time with the WWE. She had a memorable, quality feud with Trish Stratus and carried the women's division for years after she and Lita left. And if Sunny could make it into the HoF, I'd say James deserves a spot there as well.

 

[ZiON11]

While I could see her getting inducted into the Hall of Fame someday, she ain't getting there before Sable and Chyna.

I would see her getting in before Chyna for sure due to Chyna's past being in porn.

If Mickie doesn't get in, I'd rather see Beth Phoenix go in.

 

[#MrScissorsKick]

Like others have said in this thread, I think Sable gets the Hall of Fame nod before Mickie James. You have to remember Sable and Mickie James were in completely different era's during their times in the WWE. James may have been more successful in the championship category, but Sable had the bigger influence on the WWE's edgier, Attitude Era.

I'm not saying Mickie James shouldn't be in the hall of fame. Of course she should be, why wouldn't you want to put a talent like hers into the Hall of Fame? 6 time Champion, 5 Women's Championships and 1 Diva Championship. That alone is a pretty successful career in this business. However, I'd only like to see Sable inducted first, because in my opinion, Sable had the bigger influence during her career in the Attitude Era. James didn't have WCW breathing down her neck. However, I believe Sable won't get inducted until Brock Lesnar gets inducted. Whatever the cause though, I do hopefully like to see both James and Sable inducted. Sooner rather than later though of course.

 

[Olan]

Mickie definitely deserves to be in the HOF but it is too soon. Mickie is still an active wrestler aside for her current pregnant pause.
But IMO she did have a HOF career:
--multi champion
--memorable feuds/storylines
--majorly over with the crowd as a face and a heel
--from her time to now, only AJ was as close in popularity

So yes Mickie James should be in the HOF based on almost any criteria but not yet. I would rather her return to the WWE ring instead of the WWE hall

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

It's really simple. Mickie James is still an active wrestler who has spent an equal amount of her career NOT wrestling in WWE.

She's great, and in 10 more years, she'll be a perfect candidate for the HoF. In the mean time, why not just give it to Nattie Neidhart? She's been wrestling nearly as long as Mickie James, and about the same amount of time in WWE. Maybe Tamina Snuka wants a HoF bid.

Mickie James WILL be a HoF wrestler, but probably not in the WWE. Not unless she comes back and gives another 5-10 years. There has to be some amount of impact on the actual WWE to be in the WWE HoF.

1. Trish wrestled in the WWE for about a year longer than Mickie James.

2. If we picking nits, Mickie was wrestling in OVW in early 2004.

3. Go through the HOF name by name and tell me that every member has made an impact on the "actual" WWE.

 

[TheICChampion]

Whenever she does go in, she deserves it. If it does happen next year, I think it will be too soon. As for those of you who say she doesn't deserve it, I have a list of names for you who are in the Hall of Fame:

Drew Carey
William "Refrigerator" Perry
Koko B. Ware
Pete Rose
Mr. T

Now, while most of these guys were famous, they certainly didn't do much in the WWE, and it shouldn't've been enough to get them into the Hall of Fame, so why do they deserve it more than Mickie James?

 

[Sean Valjean]

Whenever she does go in, she deserves it. If it does happen next year, I think it will be too soon. As for those of you who say she doesn't deserve it, I have a list of names for you who are in the Hall of Fame:

Drew Carey
William "Refrigerator" Perry
Koko B. Ware
Pete Rose
Mr. T

Now, while most of these guys were famous, they certainly didn't do much in the WWE, and it shouldn't've been enough to get them into the Hall of Fame, so why do they deserve it more than Mickie James?

Most of those guys are in the Celebrity Wing which is separate from the REAL Hall that honors actual wrestling personalities. Outside of Carey and maybe Perry, they absolutely should be in - especially Mr. T. I'll give you Koko, though. The thought of him being in still gives me an aneurysm.

I like Mickie a lot, but she hasn't had a truly Hall of Fame career, at least in my eyes. While Trish and Lita, for example, have multiple title reigns and good matches on their resumes as well, each also boast a plethora of memorable moments. The only standout stories/moments I can think of for Mickie are the Trish feud and the LayCool/"Piggy James" stuff. She had a good run, but was it really a legendary one?

Still, that doesn't mean she won't get in because WWE will seemingly let anyone in there and, once again, KOKO B FREAKING WARE is in and Mickie is the Fabulous Moolah by comparison. 2015 is WAY too soon, though. Mickie really shouldn't get the nod before women like Miss Elizabeth or even Sable.

 

[whoopin' ass]

Lets put it this way - when you think of divas in the last decade, who comes first to mind? I am betting she isn't. This is one of the problems with having multiple titles over the last decade - the title reigns mean less. So she is a multi-time champ, Trish Stratus was when there was only one title around. Mickie James won some when both titles were around. I believe Michelle McCool is a multi-time champ too but she is hardly hall of fame worthy. You have to account for the fact that with a limited divas roster, she was going to hold the title more because they had 2 titles that needed filling. As for TNA and such, wwe don't care.

In the end, she has had a good career but that doesn't make her hall of fame worthy. Trish and Lita brought woman's wrestling to new heights but Mickey James started after they already established it. She just didn't impact wrestling the same way they did. Sunny did great things as a manager so she deserves her spot. I don't think Victoria/Tara deserves a hall of fame spot either despite a good career. What about putting in Beth Phoenix then as she is a multi-time champ? In the end, they didn't make a big impact that changed things and being champ doesn't mean you are hall of fame worthy. Having said that, this is the wwe hall of fame we are talking about and they have put in a lot of people who don't deserve to be there. It is starting to be less a hall of fame and more a hall of people who were involved in wresting at some point.

 

[CalciferBoheme]

I 100% agree with her being worthy of going in. But she's only 34, and Trish being the youngest should stay that way. Give it at least 5 years or so before inducting her.

I'd even say they should try and bring her in for another run, if possible.

 

[Planet_Velvet]

I think she is deserving, but I think it is too soon. It almost feels like WWE is saying "regardless of how much more you have left in the tank, we'll never use you for a lengthy period again. Your active career here is done". So while it may come off as an honor, she should decline and accept it later on on down there road when her active career truly ends. @TeamVelvet

 

[Meth Head]

I would see her getting in before Chyna for sure due to Chyna's past being in porn.

They've been sexually objectifying their female performers for years and they're afraid of putting Chyna on the HoF 'cause of a little porn past? She and Sable earned their spots there years ago. And doing porn isn't exactly as unforgivable as, say, murdering your wife, your kid and yourself in my book so I'd say she's still a worthy candidate.

 

[Planet_Velvet]

They've been sexually objectifying their female performers for years and they're afraid of putting Chyna on the HoF 'cause of a little porn past? She and Sable earned their spots there years ago. And doing porn isn't exactly as unforgivable as, say, murdering your wife, your kid and yourself in my book so I'd say she's still a worthy candidate.

Gotta kind of agree with ya Meth Head. It also depends on what kind of campaign the Era in question identifies. If we were still in the Attitude Era, they'd be all over trying to induct Chyna. Now, it's the PG Era and Linda is running for Senate (you know she's gonna try again). May be a bit harder, but Chyna should definitely go in there.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

From the days of the Attitude Era on up through today, there've been a handful of women to come along as part of the WWE roster who've been a genuine benefit to the roster and have kept the Diva's Division from being an utter, complete, 100% joke. That's not to say that there haven't been talented female wrestlers on the roster as the VAST majority of every have been victims of terrible booking. However, despite the generally lousy booking and overall use of women on the roster that's really only started to end within the past year, some women have still managed to rise above it and become stars:

Trish Stratus
Lita
Mickie James
AJ Lee

There are some promising talent on their way, such as Paige to use as an example, but those four women have been the rays of sunshine that pierced the dark cloud that's hung over women's wrestling in WWE for the better part of 20 years. Trish and Lita are already in the WWE HOF and I can't see any logical argument against the inclusion of Mickie James. She was never particularly charismatic in WWE, or the vast majority of her career for that matter, as Trish or Lita, but I always saw her as a stronger in-ring talent than either of them.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

Mickie James and Victoria are two female wrestlers who absolutely deserve to get their places in the HoF - two girls who wrestled on (or even above) the level of contemporaries Trish Stratus and Lita.

The greatest fabrication getting mentioned here though is that they lacked character. Both had tremendous character and did much with little. Were they suffered is that Trish and Lita were booked as parts of the main men's stories (ex. Trish with Vince and Lita with Edge) while they were pretty much kept in the women's division.

Why would this be the case? Why were Mickie and Victoria never involved in such things? Far be it for me to speculate but, for some reason, the fact Victoria was already 31 when she debuted on the main roster and Mickie left the company with the cat calls of "Piggy James!" in her ears coupled with Trish having model looks and Lita having Indy cool... Nah, probably nothing to do with it...

 

[I_Like_All_Wrestling]

First off, the HOF is a joke. It's not real. No one meets a criteria to be put in. It's all whoever the WEE wants to put in. People get put in as a favor or as a business decision, not because they "deserve" it.

As for actual time in WWE, according to wikipedia, she was in WWE from October 2005 until April 2010. So, that's even less than 5 full years. Not that time is an issue, but it's usually that a HOF career if for your tenure, and she had a very short one. Now, her feud with Trish may very well have been the best female feud of all time, so you could probably put her in the HOF on that alone. Calling her one of the most popular superstars of all time is just plain ridiculous. Let's not overstate her importance.

Could she go in? Sure. Does she deserve to go in? Maybe. Will she go in? If they can make money off of it, absolutely.

 

[KitsuneDreamer]

She has to be in the Hall of Fame at some point, the accolades are all there.


The WWE is known for pulling the trigger on inductions too soon, so it will not be surprising if she goes in next year, but it is too soon, maybe when she hits 40?

They can do Vachon or Blaze next year.

 

[fenderjapan]

I like how someone always goes to the celebrity wing excuse when they want to make a case for someone being in the hall of fame. Nathan Jones probably is more important to wrestling than Drew Carey, that doesn't mean he belongs.

That said, I don't really think Mickie did anything that was on par with Sunny, Lita, or Trish. I wouldn't be upset if she was inducted but I just don't think there is a great case for it.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I think it's likely that Mickie James will go into the HOF at some point. She held both the WWE Womens and Divas titles (the 2nd woman to hold both belts), and was a figurehead of the WWE womens division for a long period of time, with several major feuds. With her 5 Women's titles and 1 Divas Title reign she's one of the most decorated female performers the WWE have ever had.

If WWE are looking at inducting a Diva annually, or even bi-annually then there aren't that many to choose from that have had a better/as good a career as Mickie. You could look at inducting Beth Phoenix, Victoria, Sable and that's probably it. Alundra Blayze maybe but she burned her bridges with WWE when she dropped the womens title into the trash on Nitro.

I'd argue that Mickie deserves a HOF induction as much as any of the women I just mentioned, but the fact is that she is only 34 years of age and still active. Plus, she could easily come back to WWE and be a main figure in the womens division, she's far better in the ring than almost anyone currently on the divas roster. I fully expect her to be inducted a few years down the line when she is retired, as happened with Lita and Trish.

 

[Lariat Tubman]

In that case what about Jacqueline, Ivory, even Molly Holly. I'd say Jackie and Ivory should both no doubt be in Molly maybe, but if Sunny is in then I gotta think Molly can make it too.

 

[gk11973]

In that case what about Jacqueline, Ivory, even Molly Holly. I'd say Jackie and Ivory should both no doubt be in Molly maybe, but if Sunny is in then I gotta think Molly can make it too.

I am so glad someone else brought up Jackie and Ivory. Jackie had a long career before coming to the WWE and was the first ever woman ranked in the PWI500. Ivory started out in GLOW, and managed to develop into a very capable in ring talent, who could cut a great promo. She even managed to score victories over Chyna during their feud. Neither of them were ever the centerpiece of the women's division, but they both had wrestling careers beyond the WWE. As for Mickie, I think she deserves it as well. After Trish and Lita were gone, she was by the far the center of the women's division. She held multiple titles, and was one of the few female members who actually got a pop when her music hit. I do think it is too soon, and I would love to see her have another run in the WWE before she goes into the HOF. Regarding Sable, I think she deserves it too. She had a huge impact and was one of the most over people in the company at one point. Chyna certainly holds a unique place too and is deserving of a HOF nod, but her porn career may have derailed her chances.

 

[dd23beatlesfan1]

The problem I have with Mickie James possibly being inducted next year is that it's just way too soon. As others have stated, she's still active in her wrestling career (though not in WWE), and it just doesn't seem right to have an active or even part-time active wrestler go into the HOF. And before people throw Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair at me as examples that "prove that wrong," first off Mickie James is not in the same ball park as Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. Two Ric had one more WWE match the night after his HOF and then retired. Hogan had about 2-3 other matches after his HOF induction.

Put it this way, if the WWE has been hesitant about inducting the Rock and Undertaker due to them wrestling a couple of matches a year, then Mickie can certainly wait too.


Secondly, there are so many female wrestlers that were around before Mickie James that aren't in yet, but should be, that it would be a crime to pass them all over and go for Mickie James. Honestly I thought Trish and Lita should've waited, as there's still plenty of early female pro wrestlers that should be in, and plenty that were around in the 80's and 90's. Although Trish and Lita were at a Steve Austin-Rock level for female wrestlers so I can see them going in early. But as far as who I think should go in? The big three are Miss Elizabeth, Chyna, and Sable. All three had more of an impact on WWE than Mickie James, but more to my argument were around way beforehand. Elizabeth I see them holding off until they induct Randy Savage, Chyna obviously has issues outside wrestling so I see why they've hesitated on inducting her. Sable, though has nothing really holding her back for an induction. She probably should've went in the year after Sunny, as Sunny, Chyna, and Sable were the "Big Three" of the early Attitude Era, as far as female personalities. In addition to those three, Madusa (who was the centerpiece of the revived women's division in the mid 90's) and Luna Vachon are also worthy candidates who were among the biggest American female pro wrestlers of the 1990's (not Divas, pro wrestlers) and should go in before Mickie James. Then if you want to get to the Trish/Lita/Mickie James era, there's Victoria, Molly Holly, Jazz, Jacqueline, and Ivory who were all great wrestlers that pre-dated Mickie James. Victoria would be the best candidate of that era, as Victoria was probably the third biggest star of the Divas division in that era behind Trish and Lita. And actually Stacey Keibler and Torrie Wilson were among the most popular female personalities in the early 00's that deserve consideration too.

Mickie James to me, was the leader of the late 2000's Divas Division, an era that had Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim, Melina, Michelle McCool, Layla, etc. And I think it would be a mistake to completely bypass earlier eras of female wrestling to jump right to the late 00's, which was about 5 years ago or so.

In short, there's too many worthy females that predated Mickie James that deserve in.

But obviously WWE doesn't care one bit about chronology when it comes to their inductees, so Mickie will probably go in next year.

Mickie is definitely worthy and has had a HOF career. I'd say she was the third best female performer of the 00's besides Trish and Lita, but she needs to wait. That's my only argument, and I'll bet the same argument that many have.

 

[Meth Head]

Sable, though has nothing really holding her back for an induction.

I'll go on ahead and predict Sable will be next year's Lone Female Inductee. She's on good terms with the company, she was WWE's first real sex machine and she wasn't a bad lil' wrestler either. A veritable shoe-in for the Hall...

And actually Stacey Keibler and Torrie Wilson were among the most popular female personalities in the early 00's that deserve consideration too.

No, buddy. Nu-uh. I appreciate all those mud matches, pillow fights and bra & panties matches they used to have (ah, the memories) as much as the next dude but there ain't no way those two are getting in the Hall.

A small minority may argue that the Hall "isn't real" anyway, or that it has lost its credibility but that's not how most folks perceive it. It's still the highest honor pro wrestling can bestow.

Keibler and Wilson left no lasting legacy in the 'E to be in consideration for that kind of honor. Unless you count the Diva Search.

 

[FitFinlay4Life]

I'll go on ahead and predict Sable will be next year's Lone Female Inductee. She's on good terms with the company, she was WWE's first real sex machine and she wasn't a bad lil' wrestler either. A veritable shoe-in for the Hall...

Erm, Sunny?

No, buddy. Nu-uh. I appreciate all those mud matches, pillow fights and bra & panties matches they used to have (ah, the memories) as much as the next dude but there ain't no way those two are getting in the Hall.

A small minority may argue that the Hall "isn't real" anyway, or that it has lost its credibility but that's not how most folks perceive it. It's still the highest honor pro wrestling can bestow.

Keibler and Wilson left no lasting legacy in the 'E to be in consideration for that kind of honor. Unless you count the Diva Search.

They had nothing to do with the Diva search - they were established acts in WCW long before the Diva search began and were the females that represented WCW in the Invasion before being defeated by Trish and Lita.

As for lasting legacy; just because they were not proficient in the ring... erm, Sunny? Sunny and Sable were both with the WWF for less time than Stacy and Torrie... and what was that memorable about Sable's runs? That she was that hated in her first run that Sean Waltman defecated in her bag as a goodbye present or her 'Playboy' run with (nonHoF worthy) Wilson in her second run?