HHH's speech has some flaws (hear me out)

[CarlSinclair]

Ok so we have all seen the end of RAW. HHH showed up and advised Vince he was fired and HHH was now the Chairman of the board.

I will dot point it to make it easier to point out the flaws:

• HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.
• All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened.
• Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.
• Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW
• Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware
• The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?
• HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).
• HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?
• 'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?
• He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit. I assume nobody else knew then why did they queu up his music?

I know its a storyline but none of it makes sense. I doubt it would even possible for him to make all the flights he had too, attend meetings, show up looking as less tired he did, keep it all secret.

Did anyone else think it was just a bit... strange?

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Since you're basically questioning kayfabe logic, I'm going to explain how this worked (in a kayfabe world).

How do you know he used the jet? Maybe he used a chartered plane. Or maybe Vince isn't the only guy who uses the company jet. I know he puts it in contracts that guys get X amount per year. HHH as an executive would likely have many of these so HHH using the jet frequently in a week, especially one as busy as this wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary.

"Vince did not find it strange HHH disappeared from RAW". He likely left earlier in the day (in kayfabe world) so Vince wouldn't have noticed. As an executive officer, HHH getting called to a meeting probably isn't out of the ordinary.

As for Johnny Ace, he's a "stooge" and thus dumb. Even if he's not, again, HHH as an executive officer getting called in to a meeting and using the private jet isn't all that crazy.

"Board met without the chairman" probably unrealistic but if it was about him and the state of mind they felt he was in, they probably wanted to do it in privacy so nobody's opinions would be influenced by him.

"He doesn't want to fire vince but as the new chairman does it anyway?" well he did say it was just business, as a person he didn't want to, but as a businessman he has to. Makes sense actually.

"The family" well even though Steph and Shane are no longer apart of it, he was probably referring to his state of mind. It's a close knit group, they would have talked about his state of mind when helping HHH make his decision, especially given that they probably have summer BBQs and that'd be really awkward if HHH shows up, most likely without bringing anything, having just fired the partriarch of the family without discussing it with the family.

As far as the precise moment, in pro wrestling, everything happens at the precise moment. Guys pivot and "bounce" off ropes at the precise moment, guys roll into position for high flying moves at the precise moment. In this universe of reality it works. It's not out of the ordinary for stuff like this to happen. Now had he magically appeared in the center of the ring, then you could start questioning things.

So really it makes a lot of sense. If you're questioning this, I'd hate for you to have been around when the attitude era happened. Apparently, muscular black men breeding with old white women will create a hand.

 

[CarlSinclair]

I know it was a storyline. I am saying the storyline doesn't make sense.

HHH is a junior VP.. I can buy he might have been at a meeting.

That still doesn't explain why the WWE board made a Junior VP the new Chairman.

That still doesn't explain how he managed all that travel, meetings etc.

I know its not really what happened. HHH was backstage the entire time. I am talking about logic.. logically it doesn't make any sense and could have been better sold.

By 'family' HHH was talking about the other McMahons, that was fairly obvious from the way he said it to the way Vince reacted. The 'family' is just him and Steph.

via satellite would have worked imo.

Wrestling storylines don't make sense, I get that but this one just came across and hokey.

I assume it will turn out HHH is a heel and was behind the entire thing with Steph and it leads to Austin v McMahon II (HHH v Punk this time) but still.

(Also I was around watching wrestling since 1988 and have seen many stupid storylines but Mae Young giving birth to a hand is still the dumbest)

 

[hatehabsforever]

No, man, I didn't find any of the points you mentioned to be even remotely strange. Simply put, there isn't a storyline or an angle in the history of professional wrestling, whether it occurred or was only discussed, that could survive this extent of over scrutiny. None of the storylines make 100% sense, never have, never will, in WWE, TNA, or anywhere else. And they don't have to. The thing I enjoy about pro wrestling is that it is mindless entertainment. You don't have to analyze it and dissect it to death to enjoy it. As long as there is some semblance of common sense, it's all good. You know, the Undertaker doesn't really return from the dead after being buried alive. If this can fly, obviously last night's situation is fine.

Geez man I say chill out, grab a beer, relax and enjoy the show for what it is, mindless entertainment. The IWC does nothing but complain about the product being stale. WWE is in the midst of the biggest shakeup in many years, and I for one am excited about it.

 

[CarlSinclair]

@hatehabsforever

I am not complaining about the storyline. I have enjoyed it thus far. I want to see where it goes. I just found HHH's explanation odd. I think it turns out HHH is a heel in all this.

You are right though... if I can deal with Undertaker coming back to life, Mae Young giving birth to a hand and Undertaker not being in prison for the several attempted murders he has done over the years (Paul Bearer, Kane, Muhammad Hassan) then this isn't really that crazy.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

I know it was a storyline. I am saying the storyline doesn't make sense.

HHH is a junior VP.. I can buy he might have been at a meeting.

That still doesn't explain why the WWE board made a Junior VP the new Chairman.

That still doesn't explain how he managed all that travel, meetings etc.

I know its not really what happened. HHH was backstage the entire time. I am talking about logic.. logically it doesn't make any sense and could have been better sold.

By 'family' HHH was talking about the other McMahons, that was fairly obvious from the way he said it to the way Vince reacted. The 'family' is just him and Steph.

via satellite would have worked imo.

Wrestling storylines don't make sense, I get that but this one just came across and hokey.

I assume it will turn out HHH is a heel and was behind the entire thing with Steph and it leads to Austin v McMahon II (HHH v Punk this time) but still.

(Also I was around watching wrestling since 1988 and have seen many stupid storylines but Mae Young giving birth to a hand is still the dumbest)

You assume it'll turn into Austin vs McMahon II, you lose credibility becasue WWE isn't that dumb. they never have been, it's why they rake in about 100M in revenue each year.

A Junior VP at the meeting may not actually be all that weird if they were thinking about promoting him anways.

yes, I did explain all the travel, a chartered plane or him using the Jet not being all that weird are very likely answers.

I just fucking said that he would have talked to the "whole family' as in Shane, Steph, everyone because he's part of the family and when you're that high up and part of the family you would talk to the guys' family to make sure everything is okay. It's not that weird. I know what you said, I gave good answers, you just have your head stuck in the sand. A guy positions himself for another man to jump on him, a guy runs and turns, pivots, leans into ropes, and then runs back at the guy, both of those waaaaay more unlikely and unrealistic and you question this stuff? I explained how it could have kayfabe worked.

This wasn't really all that hokey. It's more hokey when a guy keeps fighting after 20 punches to the head without covering up. This wasn't all that unrealistic, I don't see how you can't wrap your head around this. You brought up Austin vs McMahon II. I'll ask you, did you like the attitude era? If you did, it makes no sense that this would bug you because the attitude was like this segment, only less mature (vulgarity is about as mature as a 16 year old, in this they kind of talked about issues you'd see in businesses and Cena was talking about workplace morality) and about 100 times more unrealistic.

 

[DeathClutch]

Exactly it's filled with flaws my investigative friend, but that is because this product is aimed at children, adults who don't follow the internet probably don't realize Shane and Linda don't hold any leeway with the company they left over a year ago.

I like how the Cena/Punk feud has spawned HHH/Vince, Cena not getting fired, NEW WWE Champion (and probably the new belt for the haters), Punk has a feud for when he returns and other things we've probably not noticed that we will over the time.

HHH/Punk is the feud (Austin/Vince) of this generation, Cena was never getting fired WWE wouldn't lose two top 5 guys in one fell swoop, and Punk leaving with the belt???? Vince wouldn't let Bret who WAS a company guy travelled to India, Europe to promote WWE Punk doesn't seem to conform to the company guy image, the yes guy. Punk has re-signed to some degree and he'll be back before Mania 28.

Either way HHH in charge on-air is a good thing, he'd become pretty stale to the point he took a year off to film, heal and injury return (house show) become a company guy return to TV face Taker and left again, this gets him back on TV and Vince this guys him a fresh storyline and possibly his way of returning his coming back with Punk to take out HHH. Must see TV coming I'm sure.

 

[Remix]

Ok so we have all seen the end of RAW. HHH showed up and advised Vince he was fired and HHH was now the Chairman of the board.

And I'm going to tell you to stop fucking nitpicking, suspend your god damn disbelief and enjoy the fucking ride, you twat.

[*]HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.

[*]All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened.

Yes. What's your point?

[*]Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.

Hunter took a call, said he needed to go do some things and drove to the airport to where he flew to Titan Towers. He's a grown man and Vince wasn't sleeping at an airport. Therefore Vince doesn't know where Hunter is 24/7 and if Hunter took the plane, how would Vince know?

[*]Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW

Who says he "suddenly disappeared" Vince didn't seem shocked to see him when he came out. Hunter probably gave a plausible excuse for why he wasn't there.

[*]Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware

Why would he be? That's not his area of the company.

[*]The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?

The meeting was about him. It would be bad practice to let him know or to be there.

[*]HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).

Nowhere was it stated that he was being elected to chairman of the board, hell they probably haven't decided that yet. They said he was going to be running the show. And sure, he's just a Jr VP in reality, but that means jack in Kayfabe. In Kayfabe he's Vince's son in Law and thus heir to the family buisness. Disbelief, suspend it.

[*]HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?

It's his fucking job to do things like that. Vince didn't want to screw Bret, but he had to.

[*]'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?

Gee it's almost like families can have an opinion about what a member of that family should do. regardless of where they work.

[*]He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit. I assume nobody else knew then why did they queu up his music?

Considering that everything's digital now, it wouldn't take too much effort to tell one of the production guys to "hit my music" when he arrived. That would take maybe a minute tops.

I know its a storyline but none of it makes sense.

It does it you don't nitpick at tiny irrelevent details. Jesus, do you dislike 24 for the same reasons?

I doubt it would even possible for him to make all the flights he had too,

Private jet = no time spent waiting at airports and the fact that. Also in total, he'd need to spend around 3.5 hours in the air. It's not out of the question.

attend meetings,

How long could that possibly take. Let's say, two hours (one to have a Vote of no confidence in VKM, one to decide Hunter should be the one running the company because he's the son in law and understands the wrestling buisness better than the rest of the board). So out of 24, Hunter's used up 5.5 of them. Like I say this isn't impossible.

how up looking as less tired he did,

He's used to working on zero sleep, he's a goddamn wrestler and a father. This isn't that hard for him.

keep it all secret.

Also not that hard. It's just a matter of people keeping quiet, and believe it or not, people can keep secrets. Look at what we don't know about CM Punk's signing, and how long it took for Paul Bearer's returns to get leaked.

Did anyone else think it was just a bit... strange?

Not at all. It made me a legit mark.

I know it was a storyline. I am saying the storyline doesn't make sense.

Yes it does if you stop questioning the least relavent of details.

HHH is a junior VP.. I can buy he might have been at a meeting.

Good. Could you also thing he could lie about what the meeting was about?

That still doesn't explain why the WWE board made a Junior VP the new Chairman.

1) In kayfabe world his position is different
2) he wasn't made chairman
3) he's Vince's son and thus "heir to the buisness"

Pick one of those plausible reasons.

That still doesn't explain how he managed all that travel, meetings etc.

I just did.

I know its not really what happened. HHH was backstage the entire time. I am talking about logic.. logically it doesn't make any sense and could have been better sold.

Shut. the. fuck. up. That situation was sold perfectly, now stop being a miserable son of a bitch and enjoy this while it lasts.

By 'family' HHH was talking about the other McMahons, that was fairly obvious from the way he said it to the way Vince reacted. The 'family' is just him and Steph.

Or Linda thinks her husband is acting wierdly too and thinks he needs to retire for the good of his health/sanity/their marriage.

via satellite would have worked imo.

Would have lost some of its impact.

Wrestling storylines don't make sense, I get that but this one just came across and hokey.

THIS one came across as hokey? Not Ted sr "buying" the top title, or Undertaker and Kane period or any of the other insane angles that have been run?

I assume it will turn out HHH is a heel and was behind the entire thing with Steph and it leads to Austin v McMahon II (HHH v Punk this time) but still.

I doubt it at this stage, I truely do.

 

[Edjones26ssd]

How about this? Its kayfabe son! He must some stuff up to go out there and perform right quick for the last 5 minutes of Raw! Enough said!

 

[JBSMan]

Well Kotre's post cleared everything up for you, and wrapped it up with a nice little bow on top.

If you have anymore complaints about a highly unrealistic show having pretty realistic incidents, maybe best to keep them in your head and stop being such a moany git. Do you WANT to enjoy it at all?

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I will dot point it to make it easier to point out the flaws:

• HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.
• All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened.
• Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.

• 
  
  Triple H could have "gotten a call" immediately after Cena's shoulders were counted from a WWE board member and was told to hop on a plane. Maybe it was Vince's jet, maybe the board was able to charter a plane, maybe Triple H chartered one himself. How do you know he "used" Vince's jet? He didn't say that he did to my knowledge. There's more than one way to get back to WWE headquarters.
  
  

  [*]Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW
  [*]Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware
  [*]The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?
  [*]HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).

  
  The meeting could have been held without Vince's knowledge. The board could have convenied an emergency meeting, people getting out of bed in the middle of the night in order to get together to do what they think is best for the company's future. It wouldn't be the first time a Chairman and/or CEO has been blindsided by a vote from a company's board of directors. That's how corporate takeovers sometimes take place in the real world as it pertains to publicly traded companies. As for Triple H's role, he's Vince McMahon's official adviser and the fact that he's married into the McMahon family is going to afford him more power than a junior executive might normally have in a company. He also is someone that's spent the majority of his adult life inside of a wrestling ring, whereas the other WWE Board of Directors have not. It gives him an insight that they simply do not have and an expertise that they can rely on.
  
  

  [*]HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?
  [*]'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?
  [*]He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit. I assume nobody else knew then why did they queu up his music?

Of course he doesn't want to "fire" Vince. Triple H is Vince McMahon's son in law after all. He's also the father of 3 of Vince's grandchildren. He's a human being after all. He does it anyway because he's been taught by Vince, schooled by Vince in the ways of "business". Besides, if Triple H didn't do it, then someone else would have. Haven't you ever heard of someone getting bad news from a beloved family member in the hopes that said family member delivering said bad news could soften the blow, even just a little? As far as "The Family" goes, the support that Triple H is talking about is moral support more than anything else. While Linda and Shane might not have an active role in WWE anymore, they can still "disagree" with the way Vince is doing things and has been behaving. Stephanie McMahon can have the same opinion. And even though Linda & Shane aren't active in WWE anymore, they're still McMahons and their voice would still hold weight no matter which way you slice it.

There's plenty about the story that makes sense and some aspects that don't. Ummm...it's professional wrestling. That means it's pretty much par for the course. If you sit down and nitpick and analyze every little thing, then you can find flaws in the plots of just about anything. I can probably find plotholes in The Godfather if I sit down and think about it hard enough.

 

[Schwing]

Why is that whenever someone tells me to 'Hear them out' I always end up regretting it? I'm going to rewatch the segment and then go through your bullet points. Lets take them one by one shall we?

• HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.

And James Bond stops the timer on 00:00:01 saving the day, the girl and the world for ultimate destruction. He then procedes to get the girl and catch the bad guy. I'm not going to placate you by explaining Kayfabe like the everyone else has, they've done a great job of that already. You need to understand basic storytelling. Suspense sells. A twist sells. This gave us both. Just as we thought Cena couldn't escape his fate, Triple H's music hits. The Deus Ex Machina that was needed had arrived. It was fair though. No arguements from Annie Wilkes there.[/B]
[/LIST]

• All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened. Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.

Who gave you this nugget of information? Nobody said which specific plane was used. The words 'Plane' or 'Jet' weren't even used. He just 'Flew.' There is no information given to us to make us believe that it was Vince's jet and to be honest, that really doesn't matter. I'm not sure I'd have bought it if Triple H had started reading out flight numbers to us.

• Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW

Who's to say that Vince and Triple H work with each other all day? I work in a small building but there are times that myself and my project manager don't see each other all week despite being in the same building. We know our jobs. He knows he can trust me and we just get on with what we're doing. We only really see each other in meetings or on the occasion we have lunch together with a few golf clubs. Also note that Triple H has never been revealed to the live audience as a Executive. 4 months ago he was walking around in a feud with The Undertaker for Wrestlemania. No mention of his new job title then. Kayfabe, he's just been given the job without merit. Stone Cold did this once upon a time.

• Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware.

Johnny Ace hasn't said a word the two times he's been on air. He's being portrayed as Vince's 'Mindless Yes Man' - Just as Punk labelled him. He's completely irrelevant. He's also in charge of Talent Relations. Vince technically isn't talent. Why would he know? Going back to reality, meetings work differently depending on the topic. Sometimes I'm in the board room. Sometimes I'm not. It's all about what concerns you.

• The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?

The BOD will probably meet on a regular basis without Vince as Vince is so often at Raw. The Board stay in Conneticut. It's possible someone else would go as Vince's surragate to take minutes and to report back to Vince what was discussed. This could have been Triple H's role for all we know and he did his job pretty well.

• HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).

The right man for the job perhaps? Noone else on that board knows the business like Triple H. It could be a matter of that. As a TV Show... how much of a pop would have been recieved if a random board member walked out with glasses and a bald head and told Vince that he's through? Noone would have had a clue what was going on. He's not the chairman either. More an interim overseer.

• HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?

Look. I don't want to be working on the current project that I am at work. I find it boring and monotonus and what really gets to me is that our clients are idiots and think they know more about design than we do. They want things that are either impossible or impractical and won't listen to our objections. I don't want to do this job because I know when it's complete it will not be something I can put into my portfolio because the work is terrible. However, I do the work because it's my job and they are paying the company stupid amounts of money for it. HHH is in the same situation. He doesn't have a choice.

• 'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?

Again, this has never been advertised on Television. Linda did publically leave her role and it's very well known she ran for congress but that's finished now... it's not too hard to think she wouldn't have taken her job back. As for Shane. He's doing his own thing but unless you look into it like the IWC do, you wouldn't know. The existence of the IWC is irrelevant. If it's not happened on TV, it doesn't matter.

• He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit. I assume nobody else knew then why did they queue up his music?

Easily explained. Triple H felt sympathy for Vince. He showed that he sobs, told his 'Pop' that he loved him and repeatedly apologised. It's perfectly possible that he held back to see what would happen. Triple H isn't just an exec, he's emotionally invested in that man's career. Perhaps he thought Vince would have a change of heart and do the right thing and not fire Cena. So he waited until it was blatently obvious that the next words out of Vince's mouth were 'You're Fired' and then chose to interupt him. As for the music... I can play pretty much any song on my Mac inside 5 seconds. Spotlight Search - Type Baby One Mor... Oh, Britney's singing now. It's probably the same for the WWE crew.

I don't really see what you set out to achieve with this. You obviously knew that you were talking nonsense no-one would agree with otherwise the words 'Hear me out' would not have seemed necessary.

 

[IrishCanadian25]

This would be comical if not for the well-explained responses it's getting.

Clearly, the major underlying issue is the fact that a Board of Directors wouldn't meet without the knowledge of the Chairman, especially if that Chairman were the subject of a vote of no confidence. Furthermore, any reputable publically traded company would have brought the chairman up on some form of internal charge and conducted a full-scale investigation prior to meeting, and the chairman would have been permitted to have a chance to speak in the meeting and have his lawyers present.

They weren't trying to mimick the real corporate business world, they were trying to put on good live TV, and they succeeded. Case closed.

 

[dtroppe]

This is a great post! Great points from the orignal poster with some real lousy side stepping by some dumb marks trying to explain a ridiculous notion. The whole angle is ripped with holes and its an insult to be fed such lazy script writing. A few things could have tightened up the plot but werent event attempted. The worst part was HHH's music being cued up. Well thats the 2nd worst part- the part that makes it most unrealistic is the fact that it took place on live TV. Old wrestling saying- anything on TV is a work.

 

[billm75]

Ok so we have all seen the end of RAW. HHH showed up and advised Vince he was fired and HHH was now the Chairman of the board.

I will dot point it to make it easier to point out the flaws:

• HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.
• All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened.
• Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.
• Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW
• Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware
• The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?
• HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).
• HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?
• 'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?
• He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit. I assume nobody else knew then why did they queu up his music?

I know its a storyline but none of it makes sense. I doubt it would even possible for him to make all the flights he had too, attend meetings, show up looking as less tired he did, keep it all secret.

Did anyone else think it was just a bit... strange?

Wow....you guys are harsh. Here's someone trying to stay in the kayfabe frame of mind and discuss a storyline as if it were an actual series of real events and you're blasting him for having the audacity to do so?

It's called suspend your disbelief, and a few of you have made mention of that exact thing in your hostile responses, yet you won't do it yourself to go along with the OP's discussion? Hypocritical much?

EVERYONE knows this is a storyline and it's a good one the way it's working out. Vince is forcefully removed from his own company, his son in law is taking over and had to be the one to fire him, even though it clearly hurt him to do so, Cena got out of being fired (whoopty-shit) and there's still the matter of crowning a new champion to deal with.

I say, lighten up and try to enjoy it. You don't have to be a smark all the damn time ya know?

As to the OP's questions:

[*]HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.
[*]All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened.
This isn't hard to believe, and I do think HHH said he used the company jet, or just "the jet" which is available for the highest ranking members of the company. Green Bay to Connecticut isn't too far fetched, and I believe if sleep were the issue, HHH would have been able to grab a nap on the flights if nothing else.

[*]Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW
[*]Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware
[*]The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?
Well, chances are Vince was too preoccupied with the mess of losing the WWE title to a departing CM Punk to give too much thought to where HHH was, and it wouldn't be unusual for a company executive to be called out on business. If Johnny Ace were with Vince all weekend, and the board would know he's in Vince's pocket, then it's not too surprising to think they'd leave him out of the loop.

[*]HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).
[*]HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?
[*]'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?
I believe he's involved in board meetings, as a junior exec. That's how you groom future top execs. Further, as the acting chariman of the company, and as a devoted son in law, he may have wanted to be the one to break the news to Vince, so it wouldn't be done without compassion. And too, as the new Boss, he has to do things that he doesn't want to, it's business.

As for the FAMILY aspect, well, there's HHH, Stephanie in the company and there's Linda and Shane outside the company that may have some influence still, regardless of their official positions. And who knows who else is considered family? It could be the way they refer to their closest friends.

I'm game to discuss it without being an asshole.

 

[king4day]

@hatehabsforever

I am not complaining about the storyline. I have enjoyed it thus far. I want to see where it goes. I just found HHH's explanation odd. I think it turns out HHH is a heel in all this.

You are right though... if I can deal with Undertaker coming back to life, Mae Young giving birth to a hand and Undertaker not being in prison for the several attempted murders he has done over the years (Paul Bearer, Kane, Muhammad Hassan) then this isn't really that crazy.

Too funny. So true.

Regarding your post, while some points can be valid, it's hard to critique a show that's based mostly on fiction. Another point you could have made would be that they did this publically. He woulda been called and told not to go out to the ring.
Probably woulda been handled before the show started. Probably the night before or even when he first said Cena would be fired.

 

[Rinstone]

i agree with this guy. It makes no sense.
Plus, why doesn't a wrestler just stop running when he is whipped into the ropes. He wouldn't get hit with the powerslam if he just stopped!?

It's a damn soap opera you idiot! Enjoy the story and stop pretending that you know corporate structure. Go back to your parent's basement and type on the Harry Potter message board instead.

Some of us watch this to escape from reality of bills, work, wives, and kids for 2 hours a week and the occasional 30 minutes killing time at work (like I am now).
Deal with it dumb ass.

 

[Greydon]

Your "Flaws" are in the bullets. The reality is underneath it in bold

• HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.
  
  Chicago isn't that far from Green Bay. 22 minutes to be exact, in a commercial plane. Now think how fast he would have been in a private jet. Now from Green Bay to Connecticut, is an 1 hour and 36 minutes. It can be done from the time the PPV ended to RAW. That isn't much travel time at all.
  
• All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened. Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.
  
  Vince's jet is possibly the corporate jet, so thus someone like HHH using it is not out of the ordinary.
  
• Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW
  
  It has been said before the man is an official in the company. So not strange if he left for a meeting.
  
• Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware
  
  Johnny Ace got his face rearranged twice once from their poster boy and once from his boss. I think he wasn't going to press the issue.
  
• The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?
  
  Have you ever had a job where a board of directors meet? I think not. If your talking about the chairman, THEN he doesn't need to be there. It is proper business etiquette. In a meeting like they have if you leak something that is privileged information, you can get fired.
  
• HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions.
  
  A Junior VP, in title only. They all know he was going to take over from Vince. so him attending a meeting like this. Would be good. They also thought that it would be best coming from him and no one else.
  
• They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).
  
  Actually it would, if no one else wanted the job.
  
• HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway? 'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?
  
  Just because you don't hold a position doesn't mean you don't want what is best for your family. If they thought this was best for Vince. Vince should listen. After all he wants more grandkids doesn't he?
  
• He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit.I assume nobody else knew then why did they queu up his music?

He didn't enter the building at the precise moment, he entered "the arena" because "the Arena" is considered the entrance ramp and the ring. He was there before. look at the post of him being able to make it to these place by flying.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Ok so we have all seen the end of RAW. HHH showed up and advised Vince he was fired and HHH was now the Chairman of the board.

I will dot point it to make it easier to point out the flaws:

• HHH said he flew from Chicago to Green Bay, then back to Connecticut then back to Green Bay from the time the PPV ended to the moment Vince was about to say "You're Fired" to Cena.
• All of this was done in Vince's jet from the way HHH stated what had happened.
• Vince was not aware of any of this happening, despite his jet being used.
• Vince did not find it strange that HHH suddenly disappeared from RAW
• Johnny Ace a high ranking VP was not aware
• The board met without the Chairman being aware and NOBODY leaked the information to him?
• HHH had time to meet with the board (he wouldn't as he is a junior VP) and take those instructions. They then make him the NEW chairman (never would happen as a junior VP).
• HHH doesn't want to fire Vince but yet as the new Chairman does it anyway?
• 'The Family" supported the decision.. what family? Shane doesn't hold a position in WWE, neither does Linda (she quit as CEO) So Steph then?
• He also managed to get in the building at the presise moment Vince was about to say I quit. I assume nobody else knew then why did they queu up his music?

I know its a storyline but none of it makes sense. I doubt it would even possible for him to make all the flights he had too, attend meetings, show up looking as less tired he did, keep it all secret.

Did anyone else think it was just a bit... strange?

No I did not think it was strange at all. It is wrestling, its a television show that is there to be a form of escapist entertainment, nothing more. Why think too much about it and why delve too deep into it? Just enjoy it.

99.9% of the audience would not have checked the flight times to make sure that Triple H's travel schedule was possible. I mean COME ON! People are saying that this could be the dawn of a new era in WWE, that it was one of the most unexpected and best Raw moments for a long while and you are complaining about Johnny Ace not realising Triple H had left a meeting or that his fake plane tickets dont match up with differing time zones?!

If you are moaning about Triple H's music coming on, that happens almost all the time when someone makes a surprise return, its just how wrestling is, it is meant to get a pop from the fans, which it did.

The storyline writers are not writing an Oscar-winning movie, they are writing a WRESTLING SHOW, and they wrote an excellent ending to Raw.

Get a grip man, seriously.

 

[huegtoad]

you don't have to be an employee of a company to be on the board of directors. just a major stock holder. i am guessing shane steph and linda still have their stock

 

[Aaronliveshere]

As silly of a little detail it is...no one seemed to notice that this is the FIRST OFFICIAL TIME they admit that HHH is Vince's son-in-law. We've all known it to be true for a long time, BUT in the WWE Universe, it was always a little joke that they danced around.

When HHH & Steph were about to have their 1st child, they did a story line of Steph going into labor to get Vince & Shane out of the building. HHH & HBK joked about HHH knowing who the father was. About 2 weeks later, Steph DID go into labor and HBK joked that HHH had some connections to get into the delivery room

When Vince was in his "coma", and Steph had her dream...We all knew it was HHH she was talking to, but again (on TV) they never confirmed it.

Even when CM Punk was doing his "Shoot" on RAW, he didnt mention HHH by name.

Sorry...went a bit off topic, but it's a story. "Mr. McMahon" has been written off TV before, so why is this any different.

 

[Fisheatppl]

I think the issue here is that if this had happened 2 months ago, no one, not even the OP, would have questioned the "realism" involved in the storyline. But with the last 3 weeks being Punk centered and seemingly SO realistic (except for his demands in the contract, which as we all know are not what he really wanted), then it seems all the sudden when a TYPICAL storyline comes up thats it is now over-evaluated. Not anyone's problem, really, just a by-product of very well done and realistic seeming set up and execution by Punk. If that hadn't happened, then HHH coming down to run the show, regardless of how/when/why wouldn't have been questioned.

It also hurt that Raw was boring as hell since we all knew the tornament was filler for the bookends of the show and were just waiting for what happens next.

 

[TheLegend69]

Alright since everyone seems to have plenty of time on their hands. We all know that it's just a storyline for RAW. Got it and understand it, yes there are a few holes in the story, just like always though. and there are very good points on both sides of the line here. but anyhow everyone on this thread seems to be a hardcore WWE fan and for that I have to say WE ALL know that when the day comes that Vince decides he is going to step down and hand over HIS company then he will do so publicly.. After all he owns the damn thing and has made it as big as it is. He knows what he has accomplished and he is damn proud of that, he will come on there and retire just like Ric Flair, HBK, and Edge did. No storyline will be involved just him letting us know it is time for him to step down. So now will everyone just quit arguing over this and just enjoy what we have.

 

[Genius_Deadman]

great response by kotre because it really answers all the skeptics. for the smarks who want to dwell deep into a storyline:

news flash: wrestling....sports entertainment........doesn't always make sense.

did someone get on here 10+ years ago and say "ok guys hear me out.....it doesn't make sense Rikishi ran over Austin"? it didn't make sense but in the business, you tweak or you put over a storyline for the sake of what you want to get in the end, if it makes sense or not. they apparently want Vince off TV or (like X-Pac tweeted) Vince is stepping down legit so they needed some way to get Vince off TV in a "break the 4th wall" type of atmosphere.

if anyone out there wants to dissect this ONE promo, there has been worse. we're talking about the company that had Taker's brother shunned from the world (from the fire incident to Badd Blood) and he couldn't talk and his father said he was burned badly to he could talk with some help from a machine that triggers his voice box to he could talk perfectly to he went to the prom and had sex with a dead girl to he was never burned to begin with.

it's best if you just try to follow the storyline without trying to make sense out of all of it. if you don't, then you wouldn't have gotten into McMahon vs. Austin because you'd wonder "geez why doesn't he fire the guy already? he has his name trademark anyway"

 

[Dream Machine]

if you want to question something, ask yourself why the major angle in WWE and TNA are both ex-top wrestlers gaining control of the company at the same time.

I am hoping HHH brings back the Kliq and calls them Immoral, excpet for Waltman, because Waltman can post everything online and play the part of the Hardys