He's Got The Whole World Falling Asleep

[THTRobtaylor]

So barely a year into his career some have deemed him a failiure?

On ALL of the PPV's he has wrestled on he has been the best thing on it in terms of character and making it work. He isn't doing enzuguri's like a Big Bossman or Moonsaults like a Bam Bam Bigelow but he is the closest there has been to Bigelow in terms of agility and charisma. Unlike the Bammer and even Vader, Bray can talk rings round most of the roster.

It's off kilter but that is VERY in vogue now due to the Warrior and Jake getting their dues... people are looking for that X ingredient when it comes to how their wrestlers act and behave and all 3 of the Wyatts have that to varying degrees. Harper is downright creepy at times... the way he was barking at Cena makes him a great lieutenant and Rowan in that mask is like a more twisted version of Kane, using the lamb mask to taunt the fans and opponents...

Bray himself as a gimmick probably DOES have a shelf life, but the wrestler himself has already shown more than enough talent to roll with that and evolve. Windham Rotunda has perhaps some of the best "natural ability" and grounding of any new talent since The Rock... 2 generations before him, all big names, all with big time experience of the E and working gimmicks there. BlackJack Mulligan was known for being a great talker, Uncle Barry was one of the best "total packages" and has clearly passed on the "too much too young" experience and his father was one of the better workers of his generation but known for making gimmicks work, however ridiculous they may be.

Those looking for Bray to fail are making a big mistake... because IF he fails, then there will be no more creativity encouraged, no more "creating a gimmick yourself", just the cookie cutter stuff Vince, Trips and the writers vomit out... make mo mistake, Bray in an invention of the man who portrays him and it is the first time in MANY years the WWE has gotten behind such an endeavour so wholeheartedly... even down to the spiderwalk, the guy is gold... but he won't "carry the company"... as Bret would say..."He's the guy who works with the guy"...

 

[EricJ]

But they did try that with Daniel Bryan. WWE decided it was shit, and and they bailed on the idea.

Because it exposes how one dimensional Bray Wyatt is.

Signed,
Dr. Zeus (the guy that does Bray Wyatt's gimmick better than he does)

I don't think they took it nearly as far as they could go with it in the Attitude Era, though. That's my point. I thought they were going that route with Kane and we would get a Wyatt Family version of Kane. That was lamer than the Bryan story. They just acted like the Kane thing never happened. Boggles my mind how some story lines make it to TV, viewed by millions, then abandoned just like that.

 

[Sheamus' Suntan]

I like Bray Wyatt. There. I said it. Phew. Proverbial elephant tranquillized....

He's probably one of the main reasons I watch RAW right now. The psychology in that match at Wrestlemania was FANTASTIC...but I do see your point OP, I do see it. There's only so long this gimmick with the same lines, can work. He does seem to deliver the same feud over and over. It's NOT that interesting. It's NOT that great, and I hope to high hell he can do something more than "You're a monster" style stuff. "Join us" and "I'll expose you for the monster you are" seem to be the two main ways this dude manages his stuff.

Being honest, The family need freshening up. I'd kinda like to see them go against the Ascension just to see what ends up happening; supernatural freaks vs a deranged family.

 

[$Mr. 100%]

Y da Bray hate? Every match i seen him wrestle has been entertaining and good. He is excellent on da Mic and da spider walk singing etc is great 4 his character. I would love 2 c sister abigail revealed something this summer 2 even enhance his gimmick and da family as a whole. Maybe let it b Aj and she returns 2 her crazy chick character just being a lil more deranged and creepy 2 fit n even better. On another note y should we as fans care if he or any other wrestler draw? Whether they draw or not ain't no $ going n my pocket and i seriously doubt any of u r stockholders or getting any cash if said wrestler did draw. Imma fan and don't care who draws or not as long as i am entertained. Imo we as fans should stop caring about who draws what and if u spent yo money on a ppv or wwe network then said wrestler drew u. From cena 2 sin cara. 2 even santino

 

[ilapierre]

This thread is ridiculous and the writer of it should be banished to watching nothing but reruns of WCW in 2000 over and over again. Or dolph Ziggler and The miz headlining wrestlemanias for eternity in their alternate universe of no taste. I have been a longtime critic of WWE and the PG era. But I have been pretty quiet since Punk had his year long run. You know why? WWE has been damn good. Best it's been in 10 years. Feels like the good old days with credible characters in fine form. And Bray Wyatt is my favourite of all. The guy isn't just a backwoods hick. He's an evil genius like Mankind back in the day. He is bringing out the truth of baby face jerk Cena. Fans see a great All American but Wyatt sees a phoney. Brilliant! He's speaking the truth even better than Punk. It's funny because it says something to me about those who don't see the brilliance of Wyatt's character. It signals very low intelligence. Those of you judging Wyatt on his physical image (like Cena) rather than the substance he brings are too lost phoneys. Anyway right now there's very little wrong I can see with the WWE product. They're giving us what we want and reeling me back in. The Wyatt's, after Heyman, are biggest reason. They're definitely over playing a great heel faction similar to The way Ravens flock was meant to be on WCW. I actually don't see a shelf life on Wyatt. It would be like saying there is a shelf life on Roddy Piper being himself. Piper is who he is and anybody from any generation can appreciate a great entertainer. Wyatt IS his character and there are many of us out there who will always love a bad ass opposed to the system and the elitist Cena types.

 

[IT Factor]

I am glad someone else noticed how insanely boring Bray Wyatt and the entire Wyatt family are! Smarks act like he's the best thing since sliced bread but he is very boring and generic as a character and he is utter shit in the ring. I hate him and his brother Bo Dallas. They both suck and if this is the future of WWE, there truly are NO stars left and if that's what passes as a star for this generation then the future is screwed.

 

[closet_fan]

It doesn't exactly help Wyatt when Cena continues to get the upper hand. If Wyatt wants to improve on his character development, he's got to win against Cena at Extreme Rules.

If Cena wins again, forget it. Wyatt's toast. They already screwed up the Kane storyline by not having an ending. They gave him Bryan for 2 weeks.

How can Wyatt not be boring to those older than a certain age. He never comes out on top of any of the storylines he's been given.

 

[Limitless]

I don't care what people say... I believe that Bray will be a round for a long time. The guy is solid on the mic and has me intrigued when ever he shows up on my T.V.

The man is pretty good, I mean look at his match against Daniel at Royal Rumble. That was a pretty good match, and his match with Cena was pretty solid too. The guy is young and will develop into an amazing character. Bray actually has a "Character" that I believe can last, which is hard to say for some.

Bray is here to stay and will be a force in the coming years!

 

[OYDK]

But they did try that with Daniel Bryan. WWE decided it was shit, and and they bailed on the idea.

Because it exposes how one dimensional Bray Wyatt is.

Signed,
Dr. Zeus (the guy that does Bray Wyatt's gimmick better than he does)

I think he's talking about the real shit... Like ACTUALLY showing somebody tied up in a shed in the middle of nowhere kind of like they did with Kane/RVD and Taker/Mideon. Now THAT'S creepy and believable shit. Have Cena show up in the backwoods and get his ass kicked and thrown into a swamp or something. I mean at least Taker and Kane had these opportunities whereas Wyatt is hindered by the PG product. Take what you can get man.

Stop saying one-dimensional. IT'S BEEN 7 FRIGGIN MONTHS MAN and he's had like 3 feuds, give the character some time jeez.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

How hokey has the IWC gotten? Less than six months ago everybody was riding the Wyatts' balls so hard that they probably got friction burns from it. Now he hits it mainstream and people are really getting into the character, and he's boring? He's cutting some of the best promos we've seen since the days of Jake 'The Snake' Roberts. Hell, the guy is pretty much Jake Roberts, Raven, and just a twist of Max Cady from 'Cape Fear' thrown into a blender and pureed into complete awesome.

Are his in-ring skills on the level of a Daniel Bryan or CM Punk? No. But almost everything the guy does looks believable, and that's what matters. You can believe he's psychotic in the stories that he tells. He's this generation's Kevin Sullivan, albeit a little bit watered down due to content restrictions on TV.

A guy that's anti-Cena in every way and can tell a riveting story is boring and a failure? Yeah, okay. Some people just have to bitch just for the sake of bitching, clearly.

 

[Hakushi]

Far from bored. There are hundreds of different ways this could lead. I, for one, think his ring work is tremendous for a guy his size. Even if his ring work doesn't improve at all, he's still better than over half the roster.

 

[SiggyCertified]

HAD to register for this one.

As much as everyone has their own opinion, to say that Bray Wyatt is "shit, and boring" is just borderline delusional, and it's quite obvious that most people that are thinking this way, are upset about the attention he's getting, and haven't actually given him a chance due to the IWC shoving their likeness for Bray, down a few people throats.

It's very similar to the Cena effect, as well The Rock in his early days, etc etc. He's so talented that it literally makes people sick to their stomachs, so they manifest anger towards him and claim absurdities.

While I'm sure there will be people who will likely never ever like Bray Wyatt, and that's fine, but to deny his credibility is fucking sad, and it absolutely refutes any point of argument that one might try to make against Bray.

With the amount of hatred reflected against Bray in a few posts, it's quite obvious that people are acting out in a "follower's" type of manner, when people should be formulating their own constructive criticism or civil opinion on the matter, rather than just "meat head" your keyboard into an oblivion.

Grow the fuck up people.

 

[Attitude_Era_Guy]

I respectfully have to disagree. I am extremely entertained every time Bray Wyatt touches the mic. Is he the next Undertaker? No. But should he be? No.
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RVD, CM Punk, and Chris Jericho.

 

[John Cena's Sweatbands]

I agree but not for the reasons you state. It is a 3 on 1 feud. It's Bray and his goons, which would be ok if those goons were Hornswaggle and El Torito. But they aren't, they are 2 men bigger than Bray. Given that they always interfere what would be accomplished by Bray beating Cena? 3 people that size should beat 1 person. Now if you occupy the other 2 in the tag team situation, then I'd be in favor of a Bray/Cena program. But a 3 on 1 feud when the 1 isn't bringing in partners? Didn't understand that when they fought Daniel Bryan, don't understand it now.

And I don't know why people are upset that Cena cracked jokes on Wyatt. He does that all the time in major feuds. It would be out of character if he didn't. It generates feud heat. If reused jokes by Cena are enough to derail a wrestler's push, that wrestler didn't need to be involved with Cena in the first place.

See I don't think these stupid Cena jokes generate heat. And if they do, it's the cheapest and worst kind. I think his jokes and lightheartedness take all seriousness away from the feud.

Case in point - Wrestlemania 28 vs The Rock. Look at how personal that got between the two. And stupid, immature jokes aside, when Cena got serious it helped build towards the showdown. So The Rock makes his entrance, looking pumped up like he's ready to push himself further than ever before. Then out comes Cena, smiling and talking his shit into the camera, doing the same thing he does every other week. If this is meant to be "Once In A Lifetime" then at least treat it that way. Act a bit more fucking serious.

Whoa......away on a crazy tangent there.

But I think Wyatt is the best thing in a long time in the WWE. Such a different character, and bear in mind he's not even been on the main roster for a full year yet. His promos are superb, and I think a program with him and, if he ever comes back, CM Punk could be so good both in match quality and work on the mic. Bray and Daniel Bryan have already put on an excellent match this year, so the two of them working together, maybe with the title on the line, could be great too.

I honestly don't know how anyone can say Bray Wyatt is boring. I really disagree.

 

[chicagokmc]

I definitely don't think Bray is boring, at least right now. I don't think he should be feuding with Cena yet but that ship has sailed. I think it shows confidence in Wyatt that they put him in this program with Cena that looks like it will be going on for awhile.

All that said, I think it is critical for WWE creative and Bray and whoever else is involved with the character development to keep tweaking and watching to be sure that he doesn't become boring. I think they have gotten off to a good start by not repeating the Bray/Kane and Bray/Bryan plots of trying to get someone to join them. If they change that up and try to get Cena to join them, then I might agree with the OP. I like that he is trying to destroy Cena. Keep doing slightly different things with the character and you stay away from potential boredom.

 

[El Clandestino]

" Am I really supposed to believe that someone with his beliefs would be touring the world with a professional wrestling company?"

You've just killed pro wrestling with that one sentence. Why would the WWF continue to employ a man who beat up his boss? (Stone Cold Steve Austin) Why would they continue to tour the world with a man who assaulted the boss's wife? (Kane) Why would they have employed an undead zombie for over twenty years? (Undertaker)
Stupid, stupid thing to say.

As for Bray, I like him. I said months ago he seems to have walked straight off the set of True Detective and sure enough the following week he was talking about 'Carcossa' (TD reference). For me, he's a breath of fresh air, something different. Good on the mic and, in my opinion, he can go in the ring. Certainly far, far better than Kamala (lol).

 

[George Steele's Barber]

" Am I really supposed to believe that someone with his beliefs would be touring the world with a professional wrestling company?"

You've just killed pro wrestling with that one sentence. Why would the WWF continue to employ a man who beat up his boss? (Stone Cold Steve Austin) Why would they continue to tour the world with a man who assaulted the boss's wife? (Kane) Why would they have employed an undead zombie for over twenty years? (Undertaker)
Stupid, stupid thing to say.

Let me get this straight, you are saying that these characters on TV do some oddball things and we shouldn't be calling them out for it?

So if Cena cracks jokes or isn't enraged and violent when he has been attacked I am supposed to just accept it and not try to tear him a new asshole on the internet?

Message received.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

I dunno. It's kind of tricky, because Bray Wyatt's character is a double-edged sword.

Bray is something unique, fresh, and he's one the best talkers in WWE. His promos are mesmerizing and genuinely creepy most of the time, and he brings this eerie presence to the ring (that backwards spider walk trick) in his matches.

With that said, I'm having a hard time picturing Bray's future after this feud with Cena ends. Let's face facts, Cena's going to find his way into the WWE WHC picture again this year, and Bray already feuded with Bryan, Kane, The Shield, and Punk is gone for now, so is there anyone left for an intriguing feud?

You could buy into Bryan's crushed spirit with The Authority constantly screwing him out of the title, and Bryan turning to Bray as the voice of reason to work outside of "The Machine." WWE did a nice job of building the Wrestlemania feud with Cena, and Bray threatening Cena's legacy in this mission to expose Cena as a fraud, but using The Outsider VS The Machine stuff for various feuds will feel stale after a while. And you can say the same thing about Bray playing the role of this puppeteer, who's trying to pull the dark side out of his opponents.

Can you imagine a series of promos about darkness, eating worlds, and Bray being this messiah with Bray going against someone like Big. E, Ziggler, Mark Henry, or Cody Rhodes? It's hard to picture a scenario, without silly or awkward dueling promos. When he's not cracking corny and goofy jokes, Cena is at the top of the list for the best talkers in WWE, and working the mic is Punk's greatest strength. I can't say the same thing about various mid carders in WWE.

Bray has plenty of time left, but he needs to work inside an unconventional comfort zone for a chance at a successful feud. On top of that, Bray already feuded with Bryan, The Shield, the Cena feud will end soon enough, and Punk's gone. That's a big problem, because the possibility of Bray brainwashing big name stars (or in Bryan's case, stars on the rise) and veterans with some real name value was the main source of intrigue for those feuds. Will the fans really care, if Bray brainwashes the likes of Ziggler, Big. E, and other mid card wrestlers?

 

[Logisticalbooker86]

I love Bray Wyatt. I think he is very talented.

Even so, I must admit to grimacing when he got about halfway through his promo on this past RAW. Even though his character is young, his promos are becoming a bit one-note. (Monsters, only the Wyatts know the truth, etc.).

His character is going to go through growing pains the same as anyone else. If he can successfully evolve and develop his persona, he has the ability to be a top level heel for some time. If he cannot, eventually he will become a jobber to the stars.

 

[El Clandestino]

What?? I can only assume that English isn't your first language or you suffer from some sort of mild ******ation.
Bray Wyatt is PLAYING A CHARACTER. It's not real. We watch him and the other superstars who are all playing characters/ using gimmicks with a - wait for it - SUSPENSION OF BELIEF.

 

[HBK89Bill]

Bray Wyatt is flat out the best character in wrestling right now. If you can't see his pure devotion to the role and how much he has COMPLETELY embraced the character then you need to keep a more open mind with your wrestling. I am not telling you how to watch your wrestling at all, but respectfully, Wyatt is on fire right now. He is unpredictable and something we rarely get in wrestling: a full character off the bat. He is only going to improve both in the ring, on the mic and as a character. If he is boring you now, you may need to wait for the right feud before you understand what he is capable of.

 

[hlhbk]

Anyone who thinks Bray Wyatt is boring hasn't been watching wrestling over the last decade. Young guys like the Wyatt family, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro and a few others are finally making the WWE worth watching again.

People talk about HHH burying people. Nobody buries someone like Cena. Cena had nothing to gain by winning at WrestleMania, and could have elevated Bray even more than Bray already elevated himself. Instead Super Cena showed up like always and we see the same old crap...then he starts making fun of the Wyatts which discredits their characters even more again like always. But yeah Bray is the boring one.

 

[jeffrey9800]

Anyone who thinks Bray Wyatt is boring hasn't been watching wrestling over the last decade. Young guys like the Wyatt family, Daniel Bryan, Cesaro and a few others are finally making the WWE worth watching again.

People talk about HHH burying people. Nobody buries someone like Cena. Cena had nothing to gain by winning at WrestleMania, and could have elevated Bray even more than he already elevated himself. Instead Super Cena showed up like always and we see the same old crap...then he starts making fun of the Wyatts which discredits their characters even more again like always. But yeah Bray is the boring one.

I've said it before and i'll say it again.

You CAN'T have Bray beat Cena at WMXXX you just can't.
I love Bray and his character, if he had won vs Cena, at WM, the biggest stage of them all, what's next?! He moves on where? Faces whom?
No chance him winning at Mania was a good call, i would've hated it.

Bray is awesome, the op only answers to weak posts as some awesome arguments were posted and he didn't answer them, makes me think that he created this thread just to have people get pissed off and he doesn't believe it.

If he does believe it, I suggest no one pays his 9,95$ a month to advertise under his name to avoid being associated with outrageous comments.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

People talk about HHH burying people. Nobody buries someone like Cena. Cena had nothing to gain by winning at WrestleMania, and could have elevated Bray even more than he already elevated himself. Instead Super Cena showed up like always and we see the same old crap...then he starts making fun of the Wyatts which discredits their characters even more again like always. But yeah Bray is the boring one.

I love Bray Wyatt, and he's been a major breath of fresh air for the current product... But he had no business beating John Cena at Wrestlemania. It would have hindered him way more than it helped him. He came out of the match looking like a million bucks as it was; look at the reaction he got the following night on RAW. He was made to look like a major threat through the whole match, but the thing is beating Cena would have literally left him with no mountains to really conquer.

If he beats Cena where does he go from there? A return match? And then what? I have no doubt that Wyatt will eventually pick up a win over Cena but Mania wasn't the time for it. The -only- way it would have made sense for Wyatt to go over Cena at Mania is if they wanted to push him against Daniel Bryan post-Mania, and even that would be too much too soon.

 

[hlhbk]

To both of the posters that said it would have hurt Bray more than it would have helped him to beat Cena on one hand I see your point, on the other what WWE and Cena have done for the build up for extreme rules have completely hurt Bray more than him beating Cena ever would. John making fun of the Wyatt family is so damaging it is something that will take someone as talented as Bray to overcome. John has buried many people doing the same thing in the past. It would be like John standing up on stage with The Undertaker in the ring and making fun of his gimmick when he first started.

Bray needs to win at Extreme Rules, end of story.