Has Cena really become the WWE's new Stone Cold?

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The Masked Vato said:
My name is Vato, and you should stop trolling. Cena is NOT the next Stone Cold. Cena can only be Cena, as Stone Cold can only be Stone Cold. I never said that Cena was a great wrestler or an icon. If you would actually read the posts, you would have seen that. The fact of the matter is, if Cena came out in a concert tee instead of a throwback jersey, you guys would be a lot more receptive. A guy of his "complexion"...rapping, and representing "thugs"(Dr. of Thugonomics) is an affront to what you guys believe in. That's the true reason a lot of people dislike Cena. "Can't wrestle" is a b.s. argument. What does that mean? Really? I've seen him execute wrestling moves and holds. The number may not be as many as "the true wrestling fans" would like, but he still knows them. Same moves? You should really read the "same old s**t" thread. Cena has held world championships in 3 wrestling organizations, so I guess you guys know better than them. I also don't care who likes Cena and who doesn't. I just think that this whole "thing" is completely absurd. I consider myself to be a true wrestling fan. Let me speak on this. J.R. and the WWE hype machine are saying all this stuff about ECW fans. I was a fan of the original ECW. I went to shows and PPVs. I don't know what happened to all the fans, but that is not what ECW is about. People like to say that ECW is about the fans. No, ECW was about the wrestling. Sure the fans actively participated in the shows, but what is a wrestling fan with no wrestling. Those guys, even if you botched moves....they would let you know, had respect for the people putting their bodies on the line every night. I see no respect in this new ecw. Even if you don't like a wrestler, you, as a fan, should appreciate the fact that those guys are sweating and bleeding for you. Fans who mark out to themselves about how knowledgable they are, are not wrestling fans. They are something else. It doesn't matter if you are WCW, WWE/F, ECW, Glow, NJPW, FMW, Indy or anything else, a wrestler is a wrestler. He's performing for you. You should respect that or just don't watch. Ok, the most contraversial champ? The only contraversy is with the fans. 'Member when I said that Vince would riot if K-Kwik became champ? You 'member. Cena is you guys' K-Kwik. There is the contraversy. Not any bogus claim that Cena can't wrestle....not a detailed list of his (few) moves...no other bogus argument either. The contraversy is what I said earlier about his complexion.

And to Zoltaire, who said this....

"The Masked Vato just likes arguing with people and the easiest way for him to find one is to try to be a Cena appologest."

First....I don't like arguing. I just think that filling the forums with threads about a wrestler that everybody "supposedly" hates is ridiculous. Nobody was a voice of reason in this(not even you), so I thought I'd put my two cents in, which, in my estimation, were even better than your disjointed diatribes(I can use big words, too. Spelled correctly also.). For the record, the guy you were replying to "prolly" blacked out..when he read that word..."prolly". So you can stop try to build my "fan" club, I know how much most of the people on these forums love me already. *wink*

And to the guy who told me to shut up because I let somebody know, with sarcasm, that their comments did not prove or disprove anything to me or that they did not "handle me", stop trolling. Why don't you shut up? If I'm discussing something with someone, it's our business and I can say what I want. If you don't like the way I comment, which by the way, is exemplary, you can...and how do the kids say this?.......GTFO. Teehee.

Last, but not least....to wrestlemaniaxxx. Stop trolling and learn how to post.
YOU SUCK! Man, you REALLY suck.

Have a great day!
really good to read a post that makes sense cena does the same moves other wrestlers get cheered for doing yet when he does it he gets booed sso i agree it has nothing to do with his ability i mean at the end of the day he is the one getting paid to do it so he must have summit going for him.
 
I'm sure Vince can work out a way to make a deal with Chris Rock so he can do a new sitcom called "Everyone Hates Cena". Where a young wrestler gets a push over better talents and thereafter gets jeered by fans and denigrated for being an inferior wrestler.

I don't think anyone cares that Cena wears a throwback jersey and pumps. Hell in junior high I owned a pair of pumps. The fact is Cena is wandering around as a thug/rapper and he never raps, and he's not much of thug. If they want him to do just be a nice guy for kids, they might was well order him to grow his hair out and don yellow and red tights and he can do a lame Hulk Hogan impression. At least that would be more coherent than what he's doing now.

I dislike him because his talent seems disproportionate to his sucess. He's being used like an Austin or Rock caliber wrestler though he falls considerably short of that in terms of fan interest or charisma. I consider him boring

Though I find it funny to watch RVD wrestling Cena, the Smark champion vs. the writer's choice who gets cheers from five year olds and fat chicks.
 
wrestlemaniaxxx said:
Oh, Vato...

Well Mr. VATO,

Cena SUCKS! If you want to keep kissing his ass, then join his club! But stop pushing others to agree with you.

The reality is as simple as this: Cena is an OVERRATED STAR! Vince has been trying to sell us (the fans) the idea that Cena is the greatest wrestler in the WWE and he isn't. WWE can do much much better than that!

I will repeat this over and over again: CENA SUCKS! And I think that at least half of wrestling fans think the same. But you know what? They are not PUSHING IT like you do, Mr. Maked Vato!

Go! join the KISS CENA's ASS CLUB!
right on
 
rko_fan said:
why do you 2 hate eachother so much?
I don't hate him at all. I don't like the fact that he is a wreckless poster. Unlike him, I've read all of his comments, and like 40 of them were spam-ish. He generally adds nothing to discussion, and seems not to be able to post any of his 2-3 word comments without using profanity. The only thing I've done wrong is my speaking up for John Cena. If I say Cena, it doesn't matter what else is in the comment, he has to come after me. Not unlike many other posters, I might add(names withheld to protect the guilty). This is a place for wrestling discussion. I have tried in most of my posts to do just that, but if you don't agree with one of the factions in this forum, you get flamed. I'm sorry. I will not dumb myself down to appease marks. I will also not be "sweet talked" into going for something that I don't care for. John Cena is NOT my favorite wrestler. I was the only person to even critique his performance last night! I will, however, speak out against this ridiculous notion that he can't wrestle. I will also speak against smarks who are trying to manipulate the minds of impressionable youths. It's okay to say that RVD is the greatest wrestler never to have held a world title, but if, deep down in your heart....past the cholesterol and whatnot, you try to push that propaganda on anyone...how does that make you any better than Vince? I try to give an informed opinion. There are other guys like that here too...and they get blasted too....not as much as me, though. I never cared to follow guys who didn't know where they were going. I hope that clears things up for you.
 
I'm with you 100% Masked Vato if people can't write more than just one sentence and say Cena sucks they shouldn't be allowed on here it's like junk mail I get in my email every day it just goes in the garbage like Duke the Dumpster Drossie said it's time to take out the trash!!!

Another thing their has been no one that can back the facts up that Cena can't wrestle if any of us got in there and tried to wrestle him what do you think would happen we would lose really bad and I'll keep to my facts on Cena can wrestle so take it or leave it.
 
Okay, can I start by saying that I used to like Cena but now I despise him. I believe he is a mid-upper card prospect AT BEST. Now, I can say unashamedly that I wanted him to beat JBL at Wrestlemania 21 really badly. Because JBL's reign was so long, most people were just waiting for anyone to take it off him. Then along came Cena and his ridiculously long title reign(s). Funny thing now is that I despise Cena and can't get enough of JBL. I can definitely be said that neither Cena nor JBL were great wrestlers (in terms of Benoit, Angle, HHH etc) but JBL wasn't billed as such, he was billed as a lucky bastard sort of champion. However, Cena was built up as a fighting champion and after a while it just became ridiculous that he could hold the belt for so long. He's not necessarily a terrible wrestler, but he does have a limited and predictable moveset and stiff technical movement which can make him seem like a bad wrestler, and he's still not in the class (skills-wise) of the aforementioned Benoit, Angle, HHH, HBK, Undertaker etc.

The turning point I believe, came at Vengeance 2005. Cena started facing heels that were really over with the crowd. Firstly Christian (who later became TNA Champion) and Chris Jericho. Basically Cena kicked Christian off Raw and WWE (then into TNA) and kicked Jericho out of WWE (storyline-wise). Now there you've got the Christian and Jericho fanbases against him.

Then he has to face the most over guy in the WWE-Kurt Angle, and somehow continuously retaining against him. Now as a massive Angle fan, I just couldn’t buy this punk kid beating the wrestling machine over and over again. That's what turned me against Cena. It's a bit like the heat on Rey Mysterio. Yes, its a fairytale story blahblah blah, but come on, technically Rey is supposed to be the best on Smackdown. In reality could you see him beating Benoit, Angle, or guys twice his size like JBL, Mark Henry, Great Khali, Batista or Undertaker. No, it is physically impossible, so that's why Rey's been getting heat. Same with Cena, from the Unforgiven 2005 to NYR 2006 I was expecting Angle to take it off Cena. Nope, didn't happen. Well, Edge did get it, but that's barely counted. Then Cena had to go over HHH at WM22 as well. I mean, come on!!!! In real life HHH would wipe the floor with him. Now you've got Angle (me included) and HHH fanbases against him. So basically Cena's polarised the fans of such major superstars through wins that in reality shouldn't happen. That's why I don't like him.

Basically facing such over heels like Christian, Y2J, Angle, HHH has in effect buried Cena and IMO there are only 2 ways to save him (although he is inexplicably gaining his popularity back somehow).
1) Do what WWE have done to JBL. After such a huge push a la JBL, just take the title off him for an extended period and push him back to mid, mid-upper card status. I hated JBL during his title reign but I've now learnt to appreciate him (esp his mic work). I liked Cena when he didn't have the WWE title, hated him when he did so therefore if they take it of him for a while, he might get some genuine pops again in the mid-upper card, and I might start liking him again.
2) An obvious option but I'll say it anyway. TURN CENA HEEL. Especially if he gets the belt again. When Cena was heel he did more vicious mic work that ragged on others and got him over with the crowd. Turn him heel and make him turn on the fans. That will get serious heat and get him over as a heel. I know I keep bringing JBL up, but give him a JBL style heel turn which is the total opposite of what he is now. Instead of being an implausible fighting champion, turn him into a cheapskate champion (a la JBL). I want to see him stealing victories as a heel, perhaps using his steel chain as a weapon out of the referee's sight. That turn might save Cena in the long run as a WWE superstar and then possibly as a more popular face in the future (a la Rock and Austin).

OK I'm done! Yeah I know that I seem like I’ve got too much time on my hands but I always seem to have a random rant in me every now and again. At least I know that I managed to crap on for longer than that Masked Vato guy usually does.

Magicians perform illusions not tricks. A trick is something a ****e does for money.
 
Now turning Cena heel would not be the best thing for Cena simply put been there done that because basicly when you do that you are just saying you want him heel because you don't like him and after last night Cena turning heel not going to happen most of the crowd was cheering him RVD got a few pops but not that much compaired to what Cena got and this new side of Cena is what is going to make him better not demoting him and making the crowd hate him either way I think you wouldn't like Cena heel or face so Cena is good as face and he backs more of his fighting as face than heel he didn't not do well as heel I can tell you that and right now having Cena win the title back from RVD would be even better right now than giving it to Edge that's not respectful and RAW would have their title back and finally ECW can get their own feuds going for the ECW title and stop using the WWE title for a sheild to defend them from having some one go for the ECW title and actaully more people might watch it because right now having both ECW's and RAW's title on one show is not helping either show really this storyline is getting boring having ECW VS RAW or WWE every week after RAW get's their title back let people choose what show they want to watch and keep ECW people on their show and like wise with the WWE.
 
Chain Gang Soldier said:
I was quite surprised when I saw advertisements for Cena vs Edge at Vengence. I originally thought RVD would win at ONS, but it looks like he wont be. And Edge only had a 3 week title reign. This marks 2
Money-in-the-Bank winners that WWE have screwed out of decent title reigns for Cena. Is Cena really the WWE's new Stone Cold Steve Austin?

I am glad Edge only had a 3 week title reign. He didn't deserve 3 weeks.
 
BretHartfan82 said:
Now turning Cena heel would not be the best thing for Cena simply put been there done that because basicly when you do that you are just saying you want him heel because you don't like him and after last night Cena turning heel not going to happen most of the crowd was cheering him RVD got a few pops but not that much compaired to what Cena got and this new side of Cena is what is going to make him better not demoting him and making the crowd hate him either way I think you wouldn't like Cena heel or face so Cena is good as face and he backs more of his fighting as face than heel he didn't not do well as heel I can tell you that and right now having Cena win the title back from RVD would be even better right now than giving it to Edge that's not respectful and RAW would have their title back and finally ECW can get their own feuds going for the ECW title and stop using the WWE title for a sheild to defend them from having some one go for the ECW title and actaully more people might watch it because right now having both ECW's and RAW's title on one show is not helping either show really this storyline is getting boring having ECW VS RAW or WWE every week after RAW get's their title back let people choose what show they want to watch and keep ECW people on their show and like wise with the WWE.
the majority of the fans don't really like cena any way
maybe if he did turn heel, drop the rapper gimmick he'd have more fans
 
BretHartfan82 said:
Now turning Cena heel would not be the best thing for Cena simply put been there done that because basicly when you do that you are just saying you want him heel because you don't like him and after last night Cena turning heel not going to happen most of the crowd was cheering him RVD got a few pops but not that much compaired to what Cena got and this new side of Cena is what is going to make him better not demoting him and making the crowd hate him either way I think you wouldn't like Cena heel or face so Cena is good as face and he backs more of his fighting as face than heel he didn't not do well as heel I can tell you that and right now having Cena win the title back from RVD would be even better right now than giving it to Edge that's not respectful and RAW would have their title back and finally ECW can get their own feuds going for the ECW title and stop using the WWE title for a sheild to defend them from having some one go for the ECW title and actaully more people might watch it because right now having both ECW's and RAW's title on one show is not helping either show really this storyline is getting boring having ECW VS RAW or WWE every week after RAW get's their title back let people choose what show they want to watch and keep ECW people on their show and like wise with the WWE.

Wow good work BretHartfan82, try saying that whole mouthful in one sentence.

Magicians perform illusions not tricks. A trick is something a ****e does for money.
 
They should have put the belt on Edge at Vengence and let him cruise for about 5-6 monthes with the belt before dropping it to HHH or someone else. Raw needs a good heel title reign at the moment. Edge is awesome as a heel, storms out of the arena and stops to take his t-shirts with him.
 
sy88 said:
Wow good work BretHartfan82, try saying that whole mouthful in one sentence.

Well aleast I wrote what I wanted to say and what was on my mind.
 
Reported live by Judas:

{It seems the ECW fans are chanting we want Cena, back to you Tom!}

U Cant See My Million Dollar House, Cena Haters!

Oh and Edge isint champ because Edge is, and quote me on this, NOT A GOOD HEEL!

RATED R PLEASE! JBL DOING THE NAZI THING, TRIPLE H BUILDING EVOLUTION TO TAKE OUT EVERYONE. THOSE ARE GREAT HEELS, EDGE IS AND NEVER WILL BE.
 
Those wern't ECW fans. Those were WWE fans. The fans at ONS were ECW fans. I don't think "we want Cena" is what they were chanting.
 
Dude yes it was. I was hearing them. If I would have heard something else I wouldnt be telling you this.
 
I don't mean what the people tonight were chanting, they were saying we want Cena, true, but the people chanting that aren't ECW fans. Their WWE fans. True ECW fans don't give a shit about Cena. Want proof? Check out ONS. THAT was an ECW crowd.
 
BretHartfan82 said:
Well aleast I wrote what I wanted to say and what was on my mind.

Sorry, I just didn't know what you were going on about in your thread.

Magicians perform illusions not tricks. A trick is something a ****e does for money.
 
Cena is decent, but i dont think he's exiting to watch. he doesnt have that buzz about him and that thug attitude is running dry. The real deal guys are kurt angle, stone cold, taker, and coupla others. "The champ is here" line is a flop
 
sy88 said:
Now as a massive Angle fan, I just couldn’t buy this punk kid beating the wrestling machine over and over again.

Exactly! WWE has pushed a punk kid as the ALL AMERICAN HERO! And I don't buy that.
 
D_GenerationX said:
the majority of the fans don't really like cena any way
maybe if he did turn heel, drop the rapper gimmick he'd have more fans
I just got done telling everyone this it would not work.
 
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